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Date: 27 Apr 2004 10:42:33
From: Ivan
Subject: American born GMs
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Is there such a thing?
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Date: 27 Apr 2004 17:47:33
From: Benjamin Jordan
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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"Ivan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Is there such a thing?
Fischer?
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Date: 29 Apr 2004 03:38:10
From: michael adams
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Danny Purvis wrote:
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> "Arfur Million" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<TUAjc.2$BF5.0@newsfe1-win>...
> > "Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > "Ivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Is there such a thing?
> > >
> > > Fischer?
> > >
> > >
> > Capablanca, Mecking, Panno?
>
> Deep Blue?
Chev. Impala?..
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 18:00:58
From: Benjamin Jordan
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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"michael adams" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Danny Purvis wrote:
> >
> > "Arfur Million" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<TUAjc.2$BF5.0@newsfe1-win >...
> > > "Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > "Ivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Is there such a thing?
> > > >
> > > > Fischer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Capablanca, Mecking, Panno?
> >
> > Deep Blue?
>
> Chev. Impala?..
>
ROFL - Pont. Firebird!!
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Date: 29 Apr 2004 20:24:05
From: michael adams
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Benjamin Jordan wrote:
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> "michael adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Danny Purvis wrote:
> > >
> > > "Arfur Million" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<TUAjc.2$BF5.0@newsfe1-win>...
> > > > "Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > "Ivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Is there such a thing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Fischer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Capablanca, Mecking, Panno?
> > >
> > > Deep Blue?
> >
> > Chev. Impala?..
> >
>
> ROFL - Pont. Firebird!!
Desoto Fireflight, titter..
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Date: 27 Apr 2004 20:45:28
From: Luther Barnum
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
"Ivan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Is there such a thing?
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Date: 27 Apr 2004 22:04:17
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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"Luther Barnum" <[email protected] > writes:
>GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
>Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
Here's the list of the 55 GM's listed under the USA on the January FIDE
list, I think around half are USA-born or developed their chess prowess
in this country.
name
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Alburt, Lev O
Ashley, Maurice
Becerra Rivero, Julio
Benjamin, Joel
Benko, Pal C
Bisguier, Arthur B
Biyiasas, Peter
Browne, Walter S.
Byrne, Robert E
Christiansen, Larry M
De Firmian, Nick E
Denker, Arnold S
Dlugy, Maxim
Dzindzichashvili, Roman
Evans, Larry M.
Fedorowicz, John P
Fischer, Robert J
Fishbein, Alexander
Goldin, Alexander
Gulko, Boris F
Gurevich, Dmitry
Gurevich, Ilya
Henley, Ron W
Ibragimov, Ildar
Ivanov, Alexander
Kaidanov, Gregory S
Kamsky, Gata
Kavalek, Lubomir
Kudrin, Sergey
Lein, Anatoly
Lombardy, William J
Nakamura, Hikaru
Novikov, Igor A
Onischuk, Alexander
Palatnik, Semon
Rogoff, Kenneth S
Rohde, Michael A
Sagalchik, Gennadij
Schwartzman, Gabriel
Seirawan, Yasser
Serper, Grigory
Shabalov, Alexander
Shaked, Tal
Shamkovich, Leonid
Sher, Miron N
Sherzer, Alex
Shulman, Yuri
Soltis, Andrew E
Stripunsky, Alexander
Tarjan, James E
Wilder, Michael
Wojtkiewicz, Aleksander
Wolff, Patrick G
Yermolinsky, Alex
Zaichik, Gennadi
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Mike Nolan
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 11:20:36
From: The Masked Bishop
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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A revealing statistic from your list would be how many American GMs
actually learned their chess and became GMs through the US chess
process. In other words, if you eliminate everyone who grew up in the
East bloc, or came over to this country as a GM or a GM-in-the-making,
I'd guess ten or less.
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 17:39:33
From: Angelo DePalma
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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It would be zero or less if you count people born after 1965 or so.
"The Masked Bishop" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A revealing statistic from your list would be how many American GMs
> actually learned their chess and became GMs through the US chess
> process. In other words, if you eliminate everyone who grew up in the
> East bloc, or came over to this country as a GM or a GM-in-the-making,
> I'd guess ten or less.
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Date: 13 May 2004 05:12:11
From: Spencer R. Lower
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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> It would be zero or less if you count people born after 1965 or so.
Tal and Hikaru are at least 2.
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 11:24:45
From: Scott
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Yes but 20-years from now when all the current US GM's are either dead
or end up like Bisguier rated 2200? We need to do something about
keeping current young players past the scholastic level and then for
life (with forced retirement once they become senile).
-Scott
[email protected] (Mike Nolan) wrote in message news:<[email protected] >...
> "Luther Barnum" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
> >Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
>
> Here's the list of the 55 GM's listed under the USA on the January FIDE
> list, I think around half are USA-born or developed their chess prowess
> in this country.
>
> name
> -------------------------
> Alburt, Lev O
> Ashley, Maurice
> Becerra Rivero, Julio
> Benjamin, Joel
> Benko, Pal C
> Bisguier, Arthur B
> Biyiasas, Peter
> Browne, Walter S.
> Byrne, Robert E
> Christiansen, Larry M
> De Firmian, Nick E
> Denker, Arnold S
> Dlugy, Maxim
> Dzindzichashvili, Roman
> Evans, Larry M.
> Fedorowicz, John P
> Fischer, Robert J
> Fishbein, Alexander
> Goldin, Alexander
> Gulko, Boris F
> Gurevich, Dmitry
> Gurevich, Ilya
> Henley, Ron W
> Ibragimov, Ildar
> Ivanov, Alexander
> Kaidanov, Gregory S
> Kamsky, Gata
> Kavalek, Lubomir
> Kudrin, Sergey
> Lein, Anatoly
> Lombardy, William J
> Nakamura, Hikaru
> Novikov, Igor A
> Onischuk, Alexander
> Palatnik, Semon
> Rogoff, Kenneth S
> Rohde, Michael A
> Sagalchik, Gennadij
> Schwartzman, Gabriel
> Seirawan, Yasser
> Serper, Grigory
> Shabalov, Alexander
> Shaked, Tal
> Shamkovich, Leonid
> Sher, Miron N
> Sherzer, Alex
> Shulman, Yuri
> Soltis, Andrew E
> Stripunsky, Alexander
> Tarjan, James E
> Wilder, Michael
> Wojtkiewicz, Aleksander
> Wolff, Patrick G
> Yermolinsky, Alex
> Zaichik, Gennadi
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 17:38:48
From: Angelo DePalma
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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I don't think any are American born and < 35 years old. We haven't home
grown one in quite a long time.
"Mike Nolan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Luther Barnum" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
> >Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
>
> Here's the list of the 55 GM's listed under the USA on the January FIDE
> list, I think around half are USA-born or developed their chess prowess
> in this country.
>
> name
> -------------------------
> Alburt, Lev O
> Ashley, Maurice
> Becerra Rivero, Julio
> Benjamin, Joel
> Benko, Pal C
> Bisguier, Arthur B
> Biyiasas, Peter
> Browne, Walter S.
> Byrne, Robert E
> Christiansen, Larry M
> De Firmian, Nick E
> Denker, Arnold S
> Dlugy, Maxim
> Dzindzichashvili, Roman
> Evans, Larry M.
> Fedorowicz, John P
> Fischer, Robert J
> Fishbein, Alexander
> Goldin, Alexander
> Gulko, Boris F
> Gurevich, Dmitry
> Gurevich, Ilya
> Henley, Ron W
> Ibragimov, Ildar
> Ivanov, Alexander
> Kaidanov, Gregory S
> Kamsky, Gata
> Kavalek, Lubomir
> Kudrin, Sergey
> Lein, Anatoly
> Lombardy, William J
> Nakamura, Hikaru
> Novikov, Igor A
> Onischuk, Alexander
> Palatnik, Semon
> Rogoff, Kenneth S
> Rohde, Michael A
> Sagalchik, Gennadij
> Schwartzman, Gabriel
> Seirawan, Yasser
> Serper, Grigory
> Shabalov, Alexander
> Shaked, Tal
> Shamkovich, Leonid
> Sher, Miron N
> Sherzer, Alex
> Shulman, Yuri
> Soltis, Andrew E
> Stripunsky, Alexander
> Tarjan, James E
> Wilder, Michael
> Wojtkiewicz, Aleksander
> Wolff, Patrick G
> Yermolinsky, Alex
> Zaichik, Gennadi
> --
> Mike Nolan
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 22:31:39
From: Louis Blair
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Angelo DePalma wrote:
> I don't think any are American born and
> 35 years old. We haven't home grown one
> in quite a long time.
_
How old is Maurice Ashley?
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Date: 29 Apr 2004 02:16:17
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Louis Blair <[email protected] > writes:
>How old is Maurice Ashley?
According to FIDE he was born March 6, 1966. That would make him 38.
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 17:37:41
From: Angelo DePalma
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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By "born" I think he meant within the last 40 years. Denker is 300 years old
for crying out loud.
"Luther Barnum" <[email protected] > wrote>
GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
> Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
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Date: 28 Apr 2004 22:07:50
From: Benjamin Jordan
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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"Angelo DePalma" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> By "born" I think he meant within the last 40 years. Denker is 300 years
old
> for crying out loud.
>
>
> "Luther Barnum" <[email protected]> wrote>
>
> GM Larry Christiansen, GM Nick deFirmian, GM Joel Benjamin, GM Arthur
> > Bisguier, GM Robert Byrne, GM Arnold Denker
>
>
Which leads to the question: How many *died* in the U.S.? E. Lasker,
Capablanca, Rossolimo, Steiner, Gufeld . . .
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Date: 29 Apr 2004 13:36:24
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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"Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected] >
wrote in message news:
<[email protected] >...
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> Which leads to the question: How many *died* in the U.S.?
> E. Lasker, Capablanca, Rossolimo, Steiner, Gufeld . . .
Thus if a chess player wants *literal* immortality,
s/he should get the hell out of the ol' good USA :-)
Yeah, the combination of playing chess
and living in the USA is lethal.
Wlod
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Date: 22 Jun 2004 11:46:47
From: Necheva
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:
> "Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message news:
> <[email protected]>...
>
>>Which leads to the question: How many *died* in the U.S.?
>> E. Lasker, Capablanca, Rossolimo, Steiner, Gufeld . . .
>
>
> Thus if a chess player wants *literal* immortality,
> s/he should get the hell out of the ol' good USA :-)
>
> Yeah, the combination of playing chess
> and living in the USA is lethal.
>
> Wlod
Amem brutha - Bobby Fisher had some views on USChess, but the JEWS will
probably just say he's anti-semetic, strung out on drugs, bitter, etc.
See a pattern here??
You're just calling me evil because you're anti-Semetic!!!
:)
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Date: 22 Jun 2004 14:57:36
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
Subject: Re: American born GMs
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Necheva <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Wlodzimierz Holsztynski wrote:
>
> > "Benjamin Jordan" <[email protected]>
> > wrote in message news:
> > <[email protected]>...
> >
> >>Which leads to the question: How many *died* in the U.S.?
> >> E. Lasker, Capablanca, Rossolimo, Steiner, Gufeld . . .
> >
> >
> > Thus if a chess player wants *literal* immortality,
> > s/he should get the hell out of the ol' good USA :-)
> >
> > Yeah, the combination of playing chess
> > and living in the USA is lethal.
> >
> > Wlod
> Amem brutha - Bobby Fisher had some views on USChess, but the JEWS will
> probably just say he's anti-semetic, strung out on drugs, bitter, etc.
>
> See a pattern here??
>
> You're just calling me evil because you're anti-Semetic!!!
>
> :)
You high on somethin'?
I am both pro-syntax and pro-semantics.
I don't know what Semetic is, and I believe that right
now is the first time that you, Necheva, and I ever met
(virtually of course). I don't believe I ever called
you anything, neither evil nor angel.
Wlod
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