GetClub Chess Game improved

Date: 01 Dec 2006 04:08:56
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Chess Game improved

Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
like carrot.

Do not play with higher levels, Only if you have lot of time try higher
Levels.

The game has been improved to make better moves.

Beginner will play tough
Easy very Tough
Normal & Master (Only if you have lot of time.)

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:36:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nc3 Bd6
> 7. d4 Nd7 8. Bg5 f6 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bxe5 11. Qxd8 mate!?!?
>
>

There was a little Modification done which created this Problem,

Your Ratings have been readjusted and This Game was Cancelled.

You should play with Normal Level as Master Level will think longer
than earlier to make better moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:19:50
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

Sanny wrote:
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nc3 Bd6
>>7. d4 Nd7 8. Bg5 f6 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bxe5 11. Qxd8 mate!?!?
>>
>>
>
>
> There was a little Modification done which created this Problem,
>
> Your Ratings have been readjusted and This Game was Cancelled.

Surely that game is just a blatant win for black? Any reasonable
assessment should obviously result in the conclusion that white is
completely lost being lots of material + 1 queen down.

Date: 04 Dec 2006 16:01:59
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

> Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
> like carrot.

It certainly beat me like carrot in the following miniature:

[White "SannyBot"]
[Black "Zebediah"]
[Site "getchess.com"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. Nc3 Bd6
7. d4 Nd7 8. Bg5 f6 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Nxe5 Bxe5 11. Qxd8 mate!?!?

Another bolt from the blue! I had intended to respond 11... Kxd8, but
Sanny's program eliminated that possibility by throwing up a pop-up
window reading "You are checkmated. Ha ha ha!" and then resetting
the board, leaving me without a reply.

> Do not play with higher levels

Yes, that's what I think too.

Zeb

Date: 02 Dec 2006 17:00:14
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

> As for going to sleep after ...g6, ...Bg7, ...d6, and ...a6 --
> can you really blame the program? Try playing real moves,
> my friend. Like say: ...e5, ...d5, ...Nf6, and ...Nc6. You
> can't spend your whole life afraid, cowering behind wimpy
> pawn "half-moves". Throw away your Nimzowimp books and
> venture out into the light of day. Make a Knight move, now
> and then; toward the center even. :>D
>
> -- help bot

LOL

Date: 02 Dec 2006 15:35:16
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

allcheatersmustbepunished wrote:
> "Sanny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.
> >
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
> > Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
> > like carrot.
>
>
> It goes to sleep on the beginner level after 4 moves!!
> Playing black, I played ...g6, Bg7, d6, and a6-- it never made a 5th move!
>
> You need CLOCKS on this bot to keep it from taking all day to move! If you
> are trying to win by boring human opponents to death by waiting, you have
> succeeded! It plays poorly, also!

That's *three* posters who think Sanny's program needs
to clock-out and make a move, some time this century
even!

As for going to sleep after ...g6, ...Bg7, ...d6, and ...a6 --
can you really blame the program? Try playing real moves,
my friend. Like say: ...e5, ...d5, ...Nf6, and ...Nc6. You
can't spend your whole life afraid, cowering behind wimpy
pawn "half-moves". Throw away your Nimzowimp books and
venture out into the light of day. Make a Knight move, now
and then; toward the center even. : >D

-- help bot

Date: 02 Dec 2006 12:59:10
From: allcheatersmustbepunished
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
> like carrot.

It goes to sleep on the beginner level after 4 moves!!
Playing black, I played ...g6, Bg7, d6, and a6-- it never made a 5th move!

You need CLOCKS on this bot to keep it from taking all day to move! If you
are trying to win by boring human opponents to death by waiting, you have
succeeded! It plays poorly, also!

Date: 02 Dec 2006 13:00:07
From: allcheatersmustbepunished
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

"allcheatersmustbepunished" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Sanny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
>> like carrot.
>
>
> It goes to sleep on the beginner level after 4 moves!!
> Playing black, I played ...g6, Bg7, d6, and a6-- it never made a 5th move!
>
> You need CLOCKS on this bot to keep it from taking all day to move! If
> you
> are trying to win by boring human opponents to death by waiting, you have
> succeeded! It plays poorly, also!
>
>

Sorry about the duplicate posts.

Date: 02 Dec 2006 12:59:05
From: allcheatersmustbepunished
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

Date: 02 Dec 2006 12:57:55
From: allcheatersmustbepunished
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

Date: 02 Dec 2006 08:11:49
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

>Ofcourse if one want to play a game he should have 1-2 Hours of free time.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever....

> Earlier the game was fast but weak. Now it makes moves that are quite
> strong.

It still is week.

>
> Your game was not recorded So We cannot view them. You need to login
> and then you can play with Human opponents or Computer as your Choice.

Yeah right. That's a good excuse. The game wasn't recorded, soyou can't
prove anything.

Date: 02 Dec 2006 18:06:33
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

On 2006-12-02, tOmmetje wrote:
>>Ofcourse if one want to play a game he should have 1-2 Hours of free time.
>
> That doesn't make any sense whatsoever....
>
>> Earlier the game was fast but weak. Now it makes moves that are quite
>> strong.
>
> It still is week.

And it was NEVER fast!

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Date: 01 Dec 2006 21:35:49
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Chess Game improved

>Dude, just please, please, PLEASE shoot yourself through the head!!!
> Your game utterly SUCKS ASS!!! It needed 1.5 hours to think up a bunch

Ofcourse if one want to play a game he should have 1-2 Hours of free
time.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Earlier the game was fast but weak. Now it makes moves that are quite
strong.

Your game was not recorded So We cannot view them. You need to login
and then you can play with Human opponents or Computer as your Choice.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Dec 2006 06:36:52
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

On 1 dec, 13:08, "Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
> like carrot.
>

The beginner level lost against me...

> Do not play with higher levels, Only if you have lot of time try higher
> Levels.

Do not play at any level, unless you have at least 1,5 HOUR the time (I
played at the beginning level)

>
> The game has been improved to make better moves.
>

It was the first game I ever played against your computer, so if it now
makes better moves, I really don't want to know how badly it SUCKED
before...

> Beginner will play tough
> Easy very Tough
> Normal & Master (Only if you have lot of time.)
>
> Play a game at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>

Dude, just please, please, PLEASE shoot yourself through the head!!!
Your game utterly SUCKS ASS!!! It needed 1.5 hours to think up a bunch
of terrible moves. It moved its king from b8 to c8 and back like 5
times after which it moves it to a7 only so it could start moving its
rook from a8 to h8 a couple of times.
Furthermore, it didn't feel like resigning after I had a queen, a rook
and two pawns agaisnt his lonely king. It only surrendered after I was
one move away from making a second king. So again, please shoot
yourself or--which is the next best thing--just never post here again
anymore... ever!!

Date: 04 Dec 2006 11:16:28
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

tOmmetje <[email protected] > wrote:
> Furthermore, it didn't feel like resigning after I had a queen, a
> rook and two pawns agaisnt his lonely king.

Why so much material? K+R vs K is a mate in at most 15 moves or so;
K+Q vs K needs at most 10 or so moves from the worst possible start
point.

> It only surrendered after I was one move away from making a second
> king.

Although, in many cases, it is very useful to have a second king as a
backup in case the first one gets checkmated, when your opponent has
only a king, your first king is in no danger. Therefore, it's better
to promote to a queen. :-)

Dave.

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Date: 01 Dec 2006 06:16:07
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

Hmmm, after each and every move my oppenent makes, it says:

I am winning boy.
!!! Ha Ha Ha !!!
Computers will rule humans!!
Are you a man? I hate man. (should be men btw)
!! My Army is Better !!

Right... just remove that!!

Date: 01 Dec 2006 06:14:42
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

We are still playing now!! Although i'm way too lazy to bother noting
everything down. We are down to a rook/rook endgame with pawns. i still
have 5 pawns left, my oppponent 3. And his last five or so moves were:
Kc8-b8-c8-b8-c8... That says enough, doesn't it?

On 1 dec, 14:29, David Richerby <[email protected] > wrote:
> tOmmetje <[email protected]> wrote:
> > hmmm, I played White at beginner level:
>
> > 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 Qd6 6.Bc4 c5 7.Qf3
>
> > Even for the beginner level, you need a lot of time, 'cause it sure
> > takes your program long to think up a move. And I doubt it are good
> > moves he makes. I mean... 1.e4 Nf6??It turns out that 1.e4 Nf6 isn't actually a bad opening. It's named
> after Alexander Alekhine, so it can't be all that terrible. :-)
>
> The idea is that Black tempts White into building up a large centre
> that turns out not to be all that strong. But Black has to play very
> accurately or things can go horribly wrong for him! Definitely not
> recommended for beginners but it might be instructive to see how you
> lose when playing it a couple of times.
>

Hmm, this is new to me. But I'm no expert in opening theory and that
knight move just doesn't look to great.

> > and bringing the queen out this early?That part is not good.
>

At least I was right on something ;-)

> > I'm just a beginning player
>I think you played the opening rather well, there. Well-co-ordinated
> development and a nice attack on f7 (and d5). Of course, you were
> helped by your opponent's weak play but it's good that you can take
> advantage of it so well.
>
> Dave.
>

Thanks for the compliment! :-D

Date: 04 Dec 2006 11:23:47
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

tOmmetje <[email protected] > wrote:
> David Richerby <[email protected]> wrote:
>> It turns out that 1.e4 Nf6 isn't actually a bad opening. It's
>> named after Alexander Alekhine, so it can't be all that
>> terrible. :-)
>
> Hmm, this is new to me. But I'm no expert in opening theory

That's a good thing, at your level. I'm not advocating ignorance but
there are better things to spend your time on as a beginner.

> and that knight move just doesn't look to great.

Agreed. If you really know what you're doing, it's OK but it's best
avoided by beginners and it isn't thought good enough to play at the
highest level. (That said, Fischer obtained a win and a draw with it
in games 13 and 19, respectively, of the 1972 World Championship match
against Spassky.)

Dave.

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Date: 04 Dec 2006 11:13:20
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

tOmmetje <[email protected] > wrote:
> We are still playing now!! Although i'm way too lazy to bother
> noting everything down. We are down to a rook/rook endgame with
> pawns. i still have 5 pawns left, my oppponent 3. And his last five
> or so moves were: Kc8-b8-c8-b8-c8... That says enough, doesn't it?

Well, in this case it probably does say enough but there is the slight
possibility that all the computer's pieces are already in the right
place. For example, in the position

White: Kc6, Pc5 (to move)
Black: Kc8
FEN: 2k5/8/2K5/2P5/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

it's perfectly possible that Black's last moves were Kc8-b8-c8
etc. and were correct: 1.Kb6 Kb8! 2.Kc6 Kc8! 3.Kc6 etc.

Dave.

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Date: 01 Dec 2006 05:27:28
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

On 1 dec, 13:58, "tOmmetje" <[email protected] > wrote:
> hmmm, I played White at beginner level:
>
> 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 Qd6 6.Bc4 c5 7.Qf3
>

The game continues:

7...Be6 Nc3 and now it's thinking about its 8th move. It took your
program 30 MINUTES to think about 2 moves at the beginning level!!!!

Your program is TOTAL CRAP!!

Date: 01 Dec 2006 04:58:29
From: tOmmetje
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

hmmm, I played White at beginner level:

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 Qd6 6.Bc4 c5 7.Qf3

Even for the beginner level, you need a lot of time, 'cause it sure
takes your program long to think up a move. And I doubt it are good
moves he makes. I mean... 1.e4 Nf6?? and bringing the queen out this
early? I'm just a beginning player, but these moves really don't look
good. He is now already thinking for about 5 mins. What the hell is
taking him so long!?!?

On 1 dec, 13:08, "Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now playing with Beginner Level will be quite Tough.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Just play with Beginner and Easy Level and I am sure they will beat you
> like carrot.
>
> Do not play with higher levels, Only if you have lot of time try higher
> Levels.
>
> The game has been improved to make better moves.
>
> Beginner will play tough
> Easy very Tough
> Normal & Master (Only if you have lot of time.)
>
> Play a game at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 01 Dec 2006 13:29:25
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: GetClub Chess Game improved

tOmmetje <[email protected] > wrote:
> hmmm, I played White at beginner level:
>
> 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 Qd6 6.Bc4 c5 7.Qf3
>
> Even for the beginner level, you need a lot of time, 'cause it sure
> takes your program long to think up a move. And I doubt it are good
> moves he makes. I mean... 1.e4 Nf6??

It turns out that 1.e4 Nf6 isn't actually a bad opening. It's named
after Alexander Alekhine, so it can't be all that terrible. :-)

The idea is that Black tempts White into building up a large centre
that turns out not to be all that strong. But Black has to play very
accurately or things can go horribly wrong for him! Definitely not
recommended for beginners but it might be instructive to see how you
lose when playing it a couple of times.

> and bringing the queen out this early?

That part is not good.

> I'm just a beginning player

I think you played the opening rather well, there. Well-co-ordinated
development and a nice attack on f7 (and d5). Of course, you were
helped by your opponent's weak play but it's good that you can take
advantage of it so well.

Dave.

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