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Date: 12 Feb 2007 01:17:36
From: Centerpawn
Subject: Gruenfeld against other moves than d4.
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Is it good to play the Gruenfeld against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3? What would be
the advantages and disadvantages of that setup?
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Date: 12 Feb 2007 15:13:28
From: Amarande
Subject: Re: Gruenfeld against other moves than d4.
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Centerpawn wrote:
> Is it good to play the Gruenfeld against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3? What would be
> the advantages and disadvantages of that setup?
>
There are various transpositions possible here, and for the most part
they are not materially different from the Grunfeld proper - chess
really is a game of successive frames and cases where it actually
matters what moves led up to a given position are very much the
exception rather than the norm - i.e., chess positions are mostly
"historically irrelevant" so to say.
So it really doesn't matter whether the first three moves were, e.g., 1
c4 g6 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 d4 d5, or 1 d4 d5 2 c4 Nf6 3 Nc3 g6, or 1 d4 g6 2 c4
Nf6 3 Nc3 d5, or the standard 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 d5, in all cases
you have the same position, the Grunfeld main, and the order of moves is
no longer relevant to the further play.
White, of course, is needed to cooperate to get a Grunfeld almost no
matter what order the moves go in. (A regular King's Indian setup on the
other hand can be played against nearly anything, though a different
move order is needed against 1 e4.)
More specifically -
Against 1 c4, there is no problem with 1 ... Nf6; it is perhaps not the
most popular reply to the English but certainly a sound one. Now White
has a few major possibilities -
a) 2 Nc3 g6 and now if 3 d4, the Grunfeld can be completed with 3 ...
d5. White can evade this by going into a more English style setup with 3
d3, 3 g3, or 3 Nf3, though Black can still play a KID acceptably here.
b) 2 d4 g6 and we have a KID with a Grunfeld possible after 3 Nc3 d5 (I
am not as sure about the character of the position after 3 Nf3 d5).
c) 2 Nf3 makes a Grunfeld unlikely IMO; Black can still have a KID by 2
... g6, or there is 2 ... e6 or 2 ... c6, which probably leads to a QGD
as 3 d4 d5 is likely.
1 Nf3 is easy enough to do a normal KID against but isn't as easy to do
a Grunfeld; there is the line 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 d4 g6 3 c4 d5 (or switch
White's 2nd and 3rd moves) but I'm still not sure of the character of
this position in comparison to the normal Grunfeld (with Nc3 rather than
Nf3) ...
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 08:49:36
From: mikimaus
Subject: Re: Gruenfeld against other moves than d4.
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> 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 d4 g6 3 c4 d5
One can play that d5 later.
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Date: 12 Feb 2007 00:29:53
From: Holbox
Subject: Re: Gruenfeld against other moves than d4.
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On 12 feb, 01:17, Centerpawn <centerpawn@nospam > wrote:
> Is it good to play the Gruenfeld against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3? What would be
> the advantages and disadvantages of that setup?
There is a book called ZOOM 001 by Larsen which advocates to play this
setup with black against anything..., and with white (Catalan Setup).
Sure it is possible I think. The best option for white, in case of
1.c4 or 1.Nf3, is to transpose to Grunfeld main lines but in practical
OTB play you could find that white avoids to enter in the main lines.
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