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Date: 28 Jan 2005 06:36:06
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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This is on the off chance that I actually become a GM and America wants me
to play internationally.
I dusted off a few master-strength players today like they were
"intellectually challenged," and the geometry of the chessboard is suddenly
starting to look very simple. Unlike the past, chess training fills my
schedule in a good way, as I'd be goofing off or watching television. It
also helps to have computers checking for mistakes.
What I need here are some quotes I can throw back in the faces of any
American who claims they would have supported my training, "if only they'd
known." I hear America wants a champion, but apparently only certain
players need try, and they don't think I'm one of them.
I don't want anyone trying to spin history should this occur, so please,
take your best shots.
Thanks.
p.s. -- If DoctorSBD would like to put his money where his mouth is, I'd be
willing to put up $500 to his $200,000 on my making FIDE 2600 within six
years. That's 400-1 odds on something that he says would "never happen," so
it sounds like a good bet for him. He can even keep the interest on the
escrow account so he doesn't lose that money.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
affiliated books!
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Date: 31 Jan 2005 10:10:11
From: Kiddon
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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I "Pity the Child" that follows this Tim Rice reference.
kiddon
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Date: 31 Jan 2005 10:07:01
From: Kiddon
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Kitchen Man wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2005 11:40:46 -0800, "Kiddon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> >But won't you be too busy with your other stated interests, i.e.
> >seducing women, gambling, etc...? I guess you could always gamble
with
> >women over a chess game while trying to seduce them, all the time
> >trying to resist blowing the deal by discussing herpes, divorce,
> >discrimination at work, etc..... but if you can stay focused enough
to
> >play through all that in GM fashion ......... good luck.
>
> Um, didn't Tim Rice write that play?
>
> --
> Al Brennan
> "In life,we are all duffers.
> Error and mistake are our daily bread." Dr. Lasker
_______________________
I "Pity the Child" that actually follows this Tim Rice reference.
kiddon
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 00:43:59
From: QueenAmyitis
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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sad fuck, support in any form is to be welcomed. No wonder onone will
touch you with a barge pole. Don't bother replying to this message coz
i won't read it.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 17:38:58
From: David Ames
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Well, Fischer did it on his own, becoming antisocial in the process.
So I guess you may go and do likewise. Nobody's stopping you.
David Ames
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 15:07:08
From: Rusty
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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In [email protected],
David Ames <[email protected] > shared the these words:
> Well, Fischer did it on his own, becoming antisocial in the process.
> So I guess you may go and do likewise. Nobody's stopping you.
> David Ames
Ray already has the antisocial down pat, so he's already won half the
battle.
--
Rusty
The preceding message reflects my beliefs and opinions. Veracity of
statements is left to the common sense of the reader.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 11:40:46
From: Kiddon
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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But won't you be too busy with your other stated interests, i.e.
seducing women, gambling, etc...? I guess you could always gamble with
women over a chess game while trying to seduce them, all the time
trying to resist blowing the deal by discussing herpes, divorce,
discrimination at work, etc..... but if you can stay focused enough to
play through all that in GM fashion ......... good luck.
kiddon
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Ray Gordon wrote:
> This is on the off chance that I actually become a GM and America
wants me
> to play internationally.
>
> I dusted off a few master-strength players today like they were
> "intellectually challenged," and the geometry of the chessboard is
suddenly
> starting to look very simple. Unlike the past, chess training fills
my
> schedule in a good way, as I'd be goofing off or watching television.
It
> also helps to have computers checking for mistakes.
>
> What I need here are some quotes I can throw back in the faces of any
> American who claims they would have supported my training, "if only
they'd
> known." I hear America wants a champion, but apparently only certain
> players need try, and they don't think I'm one of them.
>
> I don't want anyone trying to spin history should this occur, so
please,
> take your best shots.
>
> Thanks.
>
> p.s. -- If DoctorSBD would like to put his money where his mouth is,
I'd be
> willing to put up $500 to his $200,000 on my making FIDE 2600 within
six
> years. That's 400-1 odds on something that he says would "never
happen," so
> it sounds like a good bet for him. He can even keep the interest on
the
> escrow account so he doesn't lose that money.
>
> --
> Ray Gordon, Author
> http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
> Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
> affiliated books!
>
> http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
> The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your
quest to
> get laid.
>
> Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech
forum.
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Date: 29 Jan 2005 12:48:31
From: Kitchen Man
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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On 28 Jan 2005 11:40:46 -0800, "Kiddon" <[email protected] > wrote:
>But won't you be too busy with your other stated interests, i.e.
>seducing women, gambling, etc...? I guess you could always gamble with
>women over a chess game while trying to seduce them, all the time
>trying to resist blowing the deal by discussing herpes, divorce,
>discrimination at work, etc..... but if you can stay focused enough to
>play through all that in GM fashion ......... good luck.
Um, didn't Tim Rice write that play?
--
Al Brennan
"In life,we are all duffers.
Error and mistake are our daily bread." Dr. Lasker
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:33:59
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:36:06 GMT, "Ray Gordon" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>This is on the off chance that I actually become a GM and America wants me
>to play internationally.
You just said in another post that you don't play OTB anymore. How
will you make GM without revisiting this?
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 18:08:50
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Mike Murray wrote:
>
> You just said in another post that you don't play OTB anymore. How
> will you make GM without revisiting this?
No GM's in corr. chess?
--
Anders Thulin ath*algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~ath
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 10:13:26
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:08:50 GMT, Anders Thulin
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Mike Murray wrote:
>> You just said in another post that you don't play OTB anymore. How
>> will you make GM without revisiting this?
> No GM's in corr. chess?
Well, I assumed he mean OTB, rather than correspondence or the new
title we've been reading about in these newsgroups, "Internet GM".
But, I guess Gordon will have to clarify that.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 06:46:40
From: R.P. Warren
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Ray Gordon wrote:
> Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the
insult.
> "Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
>
> It costs money to train at chess. A lot of money.
And you expect to get it with that attitude? I believe that empirical
studies of fund-raising show that, in general, better results are
obtained by amicably persuading well-wishers to contribute, rather than
alienating them with boorish rebuffs.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 08:53:15
From: Randy Bauer
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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In article <[email protected] >, R.P. Warren
says...
>
>
>Ray Gordon wrote:
>> Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the
>insult.
>> "Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
>>
>> It costs money to train at chess. A lot of money.
>
>And you expect to get it with that attitude? I believe that empirical
>studies of fund-raising show that, in general, better results are
>obtained by amicably persuading well-wishers to contribute, rather than
>alienating them with boorish rebuffs.
When I was a kid, a local TV station had a show called Bowling for Dollars. I
propose we rename this thread Trolling for Dollars.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:32:37
From: Henri Arsenault
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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In article <q3lKd.897$NV2.211@trndny01 >, "Ray Gordon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>What I need here are some quotes I can throw back in the faces of any
>American who claims they would have supported my training, "if only they'd
>known." I hear America wants a champion, but apparently only certain
>players need try, and they don't think I'm one of them.
>
Since when does "America" support the training of chess players? And try where?
Go win a few tournaments and finance your own illusions!...
Henri
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 12:11:57
From: Jerzy
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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"Ray Gordon" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:q3lKd.897$NV2.211@trndny01...
> This is on the off chance that I actually become a GM and America wants me
> to play internationally.
>
> I dusted off a few master-strength players today like they were
> "intellectually challenged," and the geometry of the chessboard is
suddenly
> starting to look very simple. Unlike the past, chess training fills my
> schedule in a good way, as I'd be goofing off or watching television. It
> also helps to have computers checking for mistakes.
>
Send your games here so we could analyze them and help you.
BTW Please don`t cross-post.
Regards,
Jerzy
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 01:13:22
From: QueenAmyitis
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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I for one would only offer support (though not financial), best of luck
in your endeavors.
Michelle
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:37:19
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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>I for one would only offer support (though not financial), best of luck
> in your endeavors.
Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the insult.
"Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
It costs money to train at chess. A lot of money.
I sat through the 1980s when I was told I was "too old" to become a chess
champion. I was 20 when I began playing. Yeah, real old (Barry Bonds hits
70 home runs at age 39 of course and Roger Clemens wins the Cy Young at 42).
The ACF funded lessons for a bunch of kids who quit, and treated me like a
bum crashing a dinner party. I was told in no uncertain terms that we would
have a future world champion in that group. We did not. It's kind of
funny, though, that one prodigy got a scholarship to the best private school
in NYC for being all of a 2100-rated player, and now has a $300,000 book
deal for writing about "competitive psychology" when he himself QUIT the
game with a 2532 rating. That's an awful lot of money to sink into a kid
who had a silver spoon in his mouth, the best coaches, and who has been paid
a fortune because of his "work." I have to wonder if the ex-prodigy is
scared of losing if he tries to make a run at the world title, because he
surely has no excuses for not trying or coming close. Lord knows if I'd
been studying the last 13 years, I'd already be there. 13 years from now
leaves me 52 years old, which historically is not too old to be a champion,
though at this rate I expect to get there in about five to seven. Of
course, for most of that time I'll be blundering as I sort through the
geometric maze of the chessboard, all the while hearing (either with insults
or lack of funding) that I'm just not to be taken seriously.
I want people to go on record NOW and say (with tangible suppor) how much
they think my chess training is worth to this country so I can quote them at
the appropriate time when they cry out for a champion. I can do this
because I don't really give a shit about the game, but God gave me this
mountain of raw talent and it's kind of fun to humiliate the weak minds.
No support now = no playing for this country later. Simple karma. This
thread just takes away ignorance as an excuse by those who otherwise would
say "If only I'd known, of course I'd done something."
Well now they know.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
affiliated books!
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your quest to
get laid.
Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 17:42:13
From: Stan Moore
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Ray Gordon wrote:
>>I for one would only offer support (though not financial), best of luck
>> in your endeavors.
>
> Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the insult.
> "Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
>
> It costs money to train at chess. A lot of money.
I'll go on record saying i have never supported you or your efforts,
that I'm not willing to support you now, and that I will never support
your efforts. If we ever get a say in the matter, I don't want you
representing my country in any capacity. I can think of many better uses
for my money, which include funding equipment and pizza for local shcool
kids who might be interested in chess.
Also for the record, Bobby Fischer became world champion without a dime
from me. But then again he never asked me.
<snip >
> though at this rate I expect to get there in about five to seven. Of
> course, for most of that time I'll be blundering as I sort through the
> geometric maze of the chessboard, all the while hearing (either with insults
> or lack of funding) that I'm just not to be taken seriously.
To be taken seriously, I think you simply have to start winning lots of
games against strong players. I fail to see how debating your strength
in a newsgroup is relevant.
> I want people to go on record NOW and say (with tangible suppor) how much
> they think my chess training is worth to this country so I can quote them at
> the appropriate time when they cry out for a champion. I can do this
> because I don't really give a shit about the game, but God gave me this
> mountain of raw talent and it's kind of fun to humiliate the weak minds.
A such a warm friendly personality to go with your alleged talent.
> No support now = no playing for this country later. Simple karma. This
> thread just takes away ignorance as an excuse by those who otherwise would
> say "If only I'd known, of course I'd done something."
I concede the point. You have made your position clear that without
handouts you won't be our champion. If you would quibble with the word
handout, then let's agree that we need a word that captures the spirit
of being paid for claims made about future performance prior to any
demonstration.
Your claim make it sound as thought it would be trivial for you to at
least become the US champion with very little help. Maybe you should
start smaller and become the champion of the state you live in first.
But then it would be so much easier to simply boast in usenet, than it
would to to actually produce.
Oh I forgot, if you only had money. Sorry.
> Well now they know.
I for one will be happy to stand beside you and say you warned us.
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 09:10:43
From: Greg Campbell
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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Ray Gordon wrote:
>>I for one would only offer support (though not financial), best of luck
>>in your endeavors.
>
>
> Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the insult.
> "Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
LOL!!
Even if you make GM, you're still just a realy strong chess player.
That's no excuse to be a hostile, self absorbed jerk.
"Good Luck," sucker. With your attitude, you'll need it.
-Greg
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Date: 28 Jan 2005 14:47:52
From:
Subject: Re: I think I might become a GM. Post your ridicule here.
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:37:19 GMT, "Ray Gordon" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>>I for one would only offer support (though not financial), best of luck
>> in your endeavors.
>
>Compliments without money are treated as insults, so thanks for the insult.
>"Support" and "lip service" are not synonyms.
>
>It costs money to train at chess. A lot of money.
>
>I sat through the 1980s when I was told I was "too old" to become a chess
>champion. I was 20 when I began playing. Yeah, real old (Barry Bonds hits
>70 home runs at age 39 of course and Roger Clemens wins the Cy Young at 42).
I doubt that is when they *started* - there's the point, and of course
what they meant , or should have meant imho , was that the odds are
against it - which of course doesn't that it can't be achieved, just
harder - apart from younger brains there is the time devotion and
availability thereof.
I'm sorry I'm not about to supply the ridicule. Tis hard to make money
from chess in order to continue training which may make things harder,
but if you can dust off master-strength players on a regular or
semi-regular basis then there is encouragement on it's own.
Some examples might help us - even if it's to supply ridicule or early
praise - so we can say "I saw the start of his trail to the top ! "
Keith
>The ACF funded lessons for a bunch of kids who quit, and treated me like a
>bum crashing a dinner party. I was told in no uncertain terms that we would
>have a future world champion in that group. We did not. It's kind of
>funny, though, that one prodigy got a scholarship to the best private school
>in NYC for being all of a 2100-rated player, and now has a $300,000 book
>deal for writing about "competitive psychology" when he himself QUIT the
>game with a 2532 rating. That's an awful lot of money to sink into a kid
>who had a silver spoon in his mouth, the best coaches, and who has been paid
>a fortune because of his "work." I have to wonder if the ex-prodigy is
>scared of losing if he tries to make a run at the world title, because he
>surely has no excuses for not trying or coming close. Lord knows if I'd
>been studying the last 13 years, I'd already be there. 13 years from now
>leaves me 52 years old, which historically is not too old to be a champion,
>though at this rate I expect to get there in about five to seven. Of
>course, for most of that time I'll be blundering as I sort through the
>geometric maze of the chessboard, all the while hearing (either with insults
>or lack of funding) that I'm just not to be taken seriously.
>
>I want people to go on record NOW and say (with tangible suppor) how much
>they think my chess training is worth to this country so I can quote them at
>the appropriate time when they cry out for a champion. I can do this
>because I don't really give a shit about the game, but God gave me this
>mountain of raw talent and it's kind of fun to humiliate the weak minds.
>
>No support now = no playing for this country later. Simple karma. This
>thread just takes away ignorance as an excuse by those who otherwise would
>say "If only I'd known, of course I'd done something."
>
>Well now they know.
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