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Date: 15 Apr 2006 01:37:56
From: jsfromynr
Subject: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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Hello All,
This is the game I played with one of my online chess friend.He is good
in general. I lost the game in the end. We did little bit of Postmortem
and he said that for Attack Light Coloured Bishops is important for
White and dark coloured bishop is important for Black. Is this true?? I
lost the game from what seems to me a winning position . May be I got
excited and I blew the oppurtunity.
[Event "Yahoo! Chess Game"]
[Site "Yahoo! Chess"]
[Date "04-13-2006"]
[Round ""]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. c3 d6
4. d4 cxd4
5. cxd4 Bg4
6. Be2 a6
7. O-O Nf6
8. Nc3 e6
9. Bg5 Be7
10. Rc1 O-O
11. d5 exd5
12. Bxf6 Bxf6
13. Nxd5 Bxb2
14. Rb1 Be5
15. Nxe5 Bxe2
16. Qxe2 Nd4
17. Qh5 dxe5
18. Qxe5 Ne2+
19. Kh1 b5
20. Rb2 Re8
21. Qc7 Nd4
22. Qxd8 Raxd8
23. f3 h6
24. Rd1 Ne6
25. Rbd2 Kf8
26. g3 Ng5
27. Kg2 Ne6
28. f4 Nc5
29. e5 Ne4
30. Rd4 Nc5
31. Kf3 Rc8
32. Ne3 Na4
33. Nf5 Rc3+
34. R1d3 Rxd3+
35. Rxd3 Rc8
36. Rd6 Nc5
37. g4 a5
38. Rd2 Ne6
39. Nd6 Rc3+
40. Ke4 b4
41. h4 Rc1
42. Kf3 Rf1+
43. Rf2 Rxf2+
44. Kxf2 Nxf4
45. Kf3 Nd5
46. Nc4 a4
47. Ke2 Nc3+
48. Kd2 Nxa2
49. Kc2 Nc3
50. Nb2 Ke7
51. Nd3 Nd5
52. Kb2 g6
53. Nc5 a3+
54. Kb3 f5
55. f6+ Kxf6
56. Nd3 h5 0-1
With Warm regards
Jatinder Singh
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Date: 17 Apr 2006 21:39:12
From: jsfromynr
Subject: Re: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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Hello Antonio,
Thanks for elaborating on the matter. Perhaps my friend was taught by
some chess coach that way or he generalised it by playing many games
with same thinking.
But if you play Sicllian Dragon then you must keep your Bishop as black
to survive. Nevertheless having pieces near to king usually means
better safety, especially Knight.
Could you guide me how to improve my endgame skills and positional
knowledge as the most games I play ,I lost them in endgame may be lack
of sound endgame techniques is causing the trouble.
With Warm regards
Jatinder Singh
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Date: 18 Apr 2006 16:18:33
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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En/na jsfromynr ha escrit:
> Hello Antonio,
>
> Thanks for elaborating on the matter. Perhaps my friend was taught by
> some chess coach that way or he generalised it by playing many games
> with same thinking.
> But if you play Sicllian Dragon then you must keep your Bishop as black
> to survive. Nevertheless having pieces near to king usually means
> better safety, especially Knight.
Simply curious, ... in oczy bind versus "Sicilian Dragon" thare are
some lines where white prefer not to exchange his Be3 bishop for the Bg7
one (and to play Bd4 or Bh6 is considered a positional mistake).
In those positions the play is focussed in queen wing and black Bg7 has
no targets (b3, c4, Rc1, were played).
With that I mean that in chess every rule can have his counter-example.
> Could you guide me how to improve my endgame skills and positional
> knowledge as the most games I play ,I lost them in endgame may be lack
> of sound endgame techniques is causing the trouble.
>
> With Warm regards
> Jatinder Singh
The best mothod to improve is to analize all those troubles to you
refer. You can analize them and then post here.
For example, you wrote you though you had a winning endgame in the game
you posted in the original message. ...
You can post here your analysis (post-mortem plus later discoveries, ...
human analysis is preferable) and sure many people in RGCA will
contribute to understand better that ending.
Antonio
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Date: 16 Apr 2006 23:42:48
From: jsfromynr
Subject: Re: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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Hello Antonio,
Thanks for giving your insight on the game. Well regarding "Attack
Light Coloured Bishops" ,what my friend means to say that if you are
playing with white pieces then you must protect your light coloured
bishop . Simply stating one must protect King's Bishop as it is
important for attack as well as defence for both sides.
"ynr" in my nickname stands for my native place.
With Warm regards
Jatinder Singh
Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
> Hello js,
>
> En/na jsfromynr ha escrit:
> > Hello All,
> > This is the game I played with one of my online chess friend.He is good
> > in general. I lost the game in the end. We did little bit of Postmortem
> > and he said that for Attack Light Coloured Bishops is important for
> > White and dark coloured bishop is important for Black. Is this true?? I
> > lost the game from what seems to me a winning position . May be I got
> > excited and I blew the oppurtunity.
>
> I do not understand what does "Attack Light Coloured Bishops" mean.
> It seems very strange to me.
>
> I think this game is an example between the fight of central majority
> versus flank majority in an ending.
> I think the ending was better for white (in this case I prefer the
> central pawns with better pieces for white).
>
> There are some tactical mistakes during the game (20.Qb2 wins a piece,
> 21...Rxe4 wins a pawn, ...). The game was decided by 42.Kf3? mistake
> which loses an important pawn but white had easy ways earlier for
> increase his advantage attacking the f7 pawn with 36.Rd7! or the line
> 38.Rb6! b4 39.Nd6! followed by Rb5-b7 or Rc6-c7.
>
> Antonio,
>
> Ps What does "ynr" mean in your nick?
>
> > [Event "Yahoo! Chess Game"]
> > [Site "Yahoo! Chess"]
> > [Date "04-13-2006"]
> > [Round ""]
> > [Result "0-1"]
> >
> > 1. e4 c5
> > 2. Nf3 Nc6
> > 3. c3 d6
> > 4. d4 cxd4
> > 5. cxd4 Bg4
> > 6. Be2 a6
> > 7. O-O Nf6
> > 8. Nc3 e6
> > 9. Bg5 Be7
> > 10. Rc1 O-O
> > 11. d5 exd5
> > 12. Bxf6 Bxf6
> > 13. Nxd5 Bxb2
> > 14. Rb1 Be5
> > 15. Nxe5 Bxe2
> > 16. Qxe2 Nd4
> > 17. Qh5 dxe5
> > 18. Qxe5 Ne2+
> > 19. Kh1 b5
> > 20. Rb2 Re8
> > 21. Qc7 Nd4
> > 22. Qxd8 Raxd8
> > 23. f3 h6
> > 24. Rd1 Ne6
> > 25. Rbd2 Kf8
> > 26. g3 Ng5
> > 27. Kg2 Ne6
> > 28. f4 Nc5
> > 29. e5 Ne4
> > 30. Rd4 Nc5
> > 31. Kf3 Rc8
> > 32. Ne3 Na4
> > 33. Nf5 Rc3+
> > 34. R1d3 Rxd3+
> > 35. Rxd3 Rc8
> > 36. Rd6 Nc5
> > 37. g4 a5
> > 38. Rd2 Ne6
> > 39. Nd6 Rc3+
> > 40. Ke4 b4
> > 41. h4 Rc1
> > 42. Kf3 Rf1+
> > 43. Rf2 Rxf2+
> > 44. Kxf2 Nxf4
> > 45. Kf3 Nd5
> > 46. Nc4 a4
> > 47. Ke2 Nc3+
> > 48. Kd2 Nxa2
> > 49. Kc2 Nc3
> > 50. Nb2 Ke7
> > 51. Nd3 Nd5
> > 52. Kb2 g6
> > 53. Nc5 a3+
> > 54. Kb3 f5
> > 55. f6+ Kxf6
> > 56. Nd3 h5 0-1
> >
> > With Warm regards
> > Jatinder Singh
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Date: 17 Apr 2006 23:34:58
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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En/na jsfromynr ha escrit:
> Hello Antonio,
> Thanks for giving your insight on the game. Well regarding "Attack
> Light Coloured Bishops" ,what my friend means to say that if you are
> playing with white pieces then you must protect your light coloured
> bishop . Simply stating one must protect King's Bishop as it is
> important for attack as well as defence for both sides.
> "ynr" in my nickname stands for my native place.
>
> With Warm regards
> Jatinder Singh
The concept "Attack Light Coloured Bishops" sound strange to me.
I have read sometinhg about light square strategy when we are speaking
about lines where white plays e4, d5. But it seems your friend as
speaking about a very different case.
I suppose it is too dare to state any preference for a piece in chess.
I'm sure we can find examples for any piece.
There are some examples where white best plan is to exchange this
bishop, I am thinking in:
- some "Old Benoni" lines.
White plays Bb5 to exchange his bad bishop for the good one for black
(white has pawns in e4, d5 and that makes his bishop bad)
- some lines of "French Tarrasch with ....c5" .
White plays the move Bb5 to exchange it for the Bd7 exchanging pieces in
an little favourable ending versus an IPQ.
- Sicilian with f3.
After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.f3 e5 6.Bb5 Bd7? is
considered bad for black because this exchange favours white.
...
And respect to "ynr": I supposed it was for the city/state yo live or
you was born and I asked if I could know what was it.
Antonio
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Date: 15 Apr 2006 11:48:23
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Intersting Game !! .. Analysis anyone
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Hello js,
En/na jsfromynr ha escrit:
> Hello All,
> This is the game I played with one of my online chess friend.He is good
> in general. I lost the game in the end. We did little bit of Postmortem
> and he said that for Attack Light Coloured Bishops is important for
> White and dark coloured bishop is important for Black. Is this true?? I
> lost the game from what seems to me a winning position . May be I got
> excited and I blew the oppurtunity.
I do not understand what does "Attack Light Coloured Bishops" mean.
It seems very strange to me.
I think this game is an example between the fight of central majority
versus flank majority in an ending.
I think the ending was better for white (in this case I prefer the
central pawns with better pieces for white).
There are some tactical mistakes during the game (20.Qb2 wins a piece,
21...Rxe4 wins a pawn, ...). The game was decided by 42.Kf3? mistake
which loses an important pawn but white had easy ways earlier for
increase his advantage attacking the f7 pawn with 36.Rd7! or the line
38.Rb6! b4 39.Nd6! followed by Rb5-b7 or Rc6-c7.
Antonio,
Ps What does "ynr" mean in your nick?
> [Event "Yahoo! Chess Game"]
> [Site "Yahoo! Chess"]
> [Date "04-13-2006"]
> [Round ""]
> [Result "0-1"]
>
> 1. e4 c5
> 2. Nf3 Nc6
> 3. c3 d6
> 4. d4 cxd4
> 5. cxd4 Bg4
> 6. Be2 a6
> 7. O-O Nf6
> 8. Nc3 e6
> 9. Bg5 Be7
> 10. Rc1 O-O
> 11. d5 exd5
> 12. Bxf6 Bxf6
> 13. Nxd5 Bxb2
> 14. Rb1 Be5
> 15. Nxe5 Bxe2
> 16. Qxe2 Nd4
> 17. Qh5 dxe5
> 18. Qxe5 Ne2+
> 19. Kh1 b5
> 20. Rb2 Re8
> 21. Qc7 Nd4
> 22. Qxd8 Raxd8
> 23. f3 h6
> 24. Rd1 Ne6
> 25. Rbd2 Kf8
> 26. g3 Ng5
> 27. Kg2 Ne6
> 28. f4 Nc5
> 29. e5 Ne4
> 30. Rd4 Nc5
> 31. Kf3 Rc8
> 32. Ne3 Na4
> 33. Nf5 Rc3+
> 34. R1d3 Rxd3+
> 35. Rxd3 Rc8
> 36. Rd6 Nc5
> 37. g4 a5
> 38. Rd2 Ne6
> 39. Nd6 Rc3+
> 40. Ke4 b4
> 41. h4 Rc1
> 42. Kf3 Rf1+
> 43. Rf2 Rxf2+
> 44. Kxf2 Nxf4
> 45. Kf3 Nd5
> 46. Nc4 a4
> 47. Ke2 Nc3+
> 48. Kd2 Nxa2
> 49. Kc2 Nc3
> 50. Nb2 Ke7
> 51. Nd3 Nd5
> 52. Kb2 g6
> 53. Nc5 a3+
> 54. Kb3 f5
> 55. f6+ Kxf6
> 56. Nd3 h5 0-1
>
> With Warm regards
> Jatinder Singh
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