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Date: 06 Mar 2005 18:41:34
From: hbienert
Subject: Master who used 1.D4
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I have read that a good way to learn is to adopt a "role model" Master and
play over his games.What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
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Thanks,
Hank
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Date: 11 Mar 2005 23:35:17
From:
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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Zukertort, Rubinstein, Colle, Koltanowski, Yusupov
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Date: 07 Mar 2005 12:46:27
From: Spencer R. Lower
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
Try Vaganian. Not as great, but probably more examples: Torre, Veresov.
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Date: 08 Mar 2005 11:08:57
From: Flap
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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Spencer R. Lower wrote:
> What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
>
> Try Vaganian. Not as great, but probably more examples: Torre, Veresov.
>
>
I consider myself a novice player. I've once been told (or perhaps I
read it somewhere) that 1.d4 is second best to 1.e4.
If this is correct, why even bother with 1.d4? Secondly, although I
know there are a ton of ways to meet 1.d4, is the Nimzo-Indian blacks
best way to try and get the upper hand?
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Date: 21 Mar 2005 14:00:50
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE?=
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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Flap wrote:
> Spencer R. Lower wrote:
>> What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
>>
>> Try Vaganian. Not as great, but probably more examples: Torre,
>> Veresov.
>>
>>
> I consider myself a novice player. I've once been told (or perhaps I
> read it somewhere) that 1.d4 is second best to 1.e4.
> If this is correct, why even bother with 1.d4? Secondly, although I
> know there are a ton of ways to meet 1.d4, is the Nimzo-Indian blacks
> best way to try and get the upper hand?
Also a novice, and the *only* chess opening I've ever learned was something
called "The Stonewall Defense," taught to our high school chess team from a
book our coach had read. While I've played chess casually on and off in the
30 years since, that's the only opening I even know. Oddly, while the
opening was intended for White, I know no other openings and play pretty
much a mirror-image of it in Black, usually successfully, but then I rarely
play a stronger opponent (not that I'm any good). I've tried googling
Stonewall Defense out of curiosity, and noticed it seems to be a rather
obscure opening. I also remember reading that White having the opening
move, has a very slight advantage, and most defensive openings are designed
for Black. Thing is, it's been so long ago that it was taught, I'm not even
sure if I'm following the correct opening any more.
I've been meaning to learn some (ANY) other kind of opening. I may be
opening some flood gates here, but can anyone recommend a
good/popular/successful/(easy-to-learn?) opening for someone who only plays
casually (like with family), who just wants to learn something new, but
worthwhile?
FWIW, my seven-year-old autistic twin sons are being taught chess in school
now, and I'd like to teach them something other than the one opening I know.
--
Frisbee�, MCNGP #13
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http://www.mcngp.com
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Date: 22 Mar 2005 07:37:18
From: Morphy's ghost
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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In the year of our Lord Mon, 21 2005 14:00:50 -0500,
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE?= <[email protected] > wrote:
>Flap wrote:
>> Spencer R. Lower wrote:
>>> What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
>>>
>>> Try Vaganian. Not as great, but probably more examples: Torre,
>>> Veresov.
>>>
>>>
>> I consider myself a novice player. I've once been told (or perhaps I
>> read it somewhere) that 1.d4 is second best to 1.e4.
>> If this is correct, why even bother with 1.d4? Secondly, although I
>> know there are a ton of ways to meet 1.d4, is the Nimzo-Indian blacks
>> best way to try and get the upper hand?
>
>Also a novice, and the *only* chess opening I've ever learned was something
>called "The Stonewall Defense," taught to our high school chess team from a
>book our coach had read. While I've played chess casually on and off in the
>30 years since, that's the only opening I even know. Oddly, while the
>opening was intended for White, I know no other openings and play pretty
>much a mirror-image of it in Black, usually successfully, but then I rarely
>play a stronger opponent (not that I'm any good). I've tried googling
>Stonewall Defense out of curiosity, and noticed it seems to be a rather
>obscure opening. I also remember reading that White having the opening
>move, has a very slight advantage, and most defensive openings are designed
>for Black. Thing is, it's been so long ago that it was taught, I'm not even
>sure if I'm following the correct opening any more.
>
>I've been meaning to learn some (ANY) other kind of opening. I may be
>opening some flood gates here, but can anyone recommend a
>good/popular/successful/(easy-to-learn?) opening for someone who only plays
>casually (like with family), who just wants to learn something new, but
>worthwhile?
The King's Indian Attack is often recommended to beginners because it
is exceptionally easy to learn the basics of it and the development
plan (pawns advanced to e4 and d3, castling kingside with the bishop
fianchettoed, and knights developed to d2 and f3) bears up well
against a very wide variety of black strategies.
>
>FWIW, my seven-year-old autistic twin sons are being taught chess in school
>now, and I'd like to teach them something other than the one opening I know.
>
>--
>Frisbee�, MCNGP #13
>
>The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
>http://www.mcngp.com
>
>Certaholics
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
>
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Date: 21 Mar 2005 23:56:45
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE?= <[email protected] > wrote:
> Also a novice, and the *only* chess opening I've ever learned was
> something called "The Stonewall Defense," taught to our high school
> chess team from a book our coach had read. [...] I've tried googling
> Stonewall Defense out of curiosity, and noticed it seems to be a rather
> obscure opening. I also remember reading that White having the opening
> move, has a very slight advantage, and most defensive openings are
> designed for Black.
It's usually known as the Stonewall Attack when applied by White. It has
a rather boring reputation.
> I've been meaning to learn some (ANY) other kind of opening. I may be
> opening some flood gates here, but can anyone recommend a
> good/popular/successful/(easy-to-learn?) opening for someone who only
> plays casually (like with family), who just wants to learn something
> new, but worthwhile?
I'd have a look at something like the Ruy Lopez (aka Spanish) or Giuoco
Piano (aka Italian) as White (that's 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 and 3.Bc4,
respectively) but don't try to learn any lines in detail. Just try to get
the feel of things. If you're feeling like something more attacking, try
the king's gambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4) -- the point is that White gets rapid
development and an attack on f7 to compensate for the pawn.
As Black, you're probably best starting with the double king's pawn
openings (1.e4 e5 ...) and maybe the Sicilian. But, again, there's little
point in beginners memorizing lines.
Dave.
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Date: 08 Mar 2005 19:12:49
From: Morphy's ghost
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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In the year of our Lord Tue, 08 2005 11:08:57 -0500, Flap
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Spencer R. Lower wrote:
>> What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit 1.D4?
>>
>> Try Vaganian. Not as great, but probably more examples: Torre, Veresov.
>>
>>
>I consider myself a novice player. I've once been told (or perhaps I
>read it somewhere) that 1.d4 is second best to 1.e4.
NIC routinely published a chart in it's publications claiming that
white scored slightly better with 1. d4. The reason for that has
often been subscribed to White's performance against the Sicilian
dragging down the score of 1. e4 slightly.
>If this is correct, why even bother with 1.d4?
It is much, much more important to play an opening where you
understand the main ideas and are comfortable with the resulting
positions than to play an opening where white wins a percentage point
more of games in master play.
>Secondly, although I
>know there are a ton of ways to meet 1.d4, is the Nimzo-Indian blacks
>best way to try and get the upper hand?
Well, it's certainly a good way, but there are plenty of other good
ways as well.
What is now proved was once, only imagin'd. -- William Blake
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Date: 07 Mar 2005 05:30:53
From: fs
Subject: Re: Master who used 1.D4
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Maybe start with the games of Colle. ;-)
"hbienert" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:TqNWd.11954$2s.3260@lakeread06...
> I have read that a good way to learn is to adopt a "role model" Master
and
> play over his games.What great one favored Colle opening or non-gambit
1.D4?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Hank
>
>
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