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Date: 13 Mar 2007 23:41:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Please Analyze this Game.
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Here is the game between GetClub.com Easy Level & Zebediah any one
please analyze this game.
Zebediah is rising player at GetClub. He ranks third at GetClub.com
Visit: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html to play with him or computer.
Here is the Recorded Game
White: Easy
Black: Zebediah (Ranked third at GetClub.com)
Link: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. e5 c5
5. Qg4 Ne7
6. Qxg7 R-g8
7. Qxh7 Pxd4
8. a3 Qa5
9. h3 Pxc3
10. b3 B-c5
You may see complete game here
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
And Black is Knight up for one Pawn. Can you analyze the game and tell
how White could have avoided it's knight to be killed by trap.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:39:36
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 2007-03-14, Sanny wrote:
> Here is the game between GetClub.com Easy Level & Zebediah any one
> please analyze this game.
>
> Zebediah is rising player at GetClub. He ranks third at GetClub.com
> Visit: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html to play with him or computer.
>
> Here is the Recorded Game
>
> White: Easy
> Black: Zebediah (Ranked third at GetClub.com)
>
> Link: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
>
> 1. e4 e6
> 2. d4 d5
> 3. Nc3 Bb4
> 4. e5 c5
> 5. Qg4 Ne7
> 6. Qxg7 R-g8
> 7. Qxh7 Pxd4
> 8. a3 Qa5
> 9. h3 Pxc3
> 10. b3 B-c5
>
> You may see complete game here
> http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
>
> And Black is Knight up for one Pawn. Can you analyze the game and tell
> how White could have avoided it's knight to be killed by trap.
Simple. Don't leave the pawn at d4 unguarded.
BTW, it would make playing over the games easier if you provided
standard algebraic notation: Pxd4 should by cxd4; Pxc3 should be
dxc3.
--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 12:40:52
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 6:02 pm, "Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> 9. ..... R-b1 10. P(d4)xc3 P(a3)xb4 11. Qxb4
>
> I was saying that this pawn will get killed.
So what? It's just a pawn! We are talking here about loss of pieces.
You have no clue about the values of the stones, don't you?
Greetings,
Ralf
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 10:02:41
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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> > I think R-b1 is also wrong. How will you save the pawn at a3 from
> > Bishop/Queen?
>
> ??? What do you mean with that comment?
I overlooked what Taylor Kingston found Qa2. I was
9. ..... R-b1 10. P(d4)xc3 P(a3)xb4 11. Qxb4
I was saying that this pawn will get killed. But better move as
suggested by Taylor Kingston is Qa2.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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> The move is wrong because later on Black can win the rook with Qa2, as
> Taylor has pointed out.
Taylor Kington Ranks IInd at GetClub.com So sure he can catch it.
nowadays Nomorechess is at Top of GetClub.com but his days are
numbered as a new player Zebediah is struggling hard to reach on top.
Time will tell if Zebediah succeeds in reaching at TOP.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:31:51
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Time will tell if Zebediah succeeds in reaching at TOP.
The only qualification required to receive a high rating at getclub is
patience. You don't have to be a particularly strong player - you just
have to be willing to play game after game where the computer takes
hours to move.
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:54:31
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 5:15 pm, "Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> I think R-b1 is also wrong. How will you save the pawn at a3 from
> Bishop/Queen?
??? What do you mean with that comment?
The move is wrong because later on Black can win the rook with Qa2, as
Taylor has pointed out.
Greetings,
Ralf
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:46:05
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 5:35 pm, "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Nope, no good. Instead of 10...Qxb4?, Black wins the rook with
> 10...Qa2!.
Ahem, yes. So much about my horizon limit...
Greetings,
Ralf
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:35:51
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 9:32 am, "Ralf Callenberg" <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 14, 2:34 pm, "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Some material loss was inevitable after 5.Qg4 Ne7 6.Qxg7; a better
> > alternative perhaps was 6.dxc4. However, the worst mistake was a few
> > moves later: 6...Rg8 7.Qxh7 cxd4 8.a3 Qa5 9.h3?? -- This just drops a
> > piece for nothing. Least bad at that point was 9.axb4, giving up the
> > Exchange instead of a whole piece.
>
> Well, white can simply play 9. Rb1, this way the pawn a3 can take the
> bishop again (and it also gets rid of the possibility of Bxc3, bxc3
> Qxc3+ and takes the rook on a1), so that after 9. ... dxc3 10. axb4
> Qxb4 11. b3 he can even continue without immediate loss of material.
Nope, no good. Instead of 10...Qxb4?, Black wins the rook with
10...Qa2!.
> But nonsense moves like 9. h3 are a speciality of Sanny's program. It
> is obvious that this program has a massive horizon problem.
Definitely.
> I can
> understand, that the consequences of 6. Qxg7 are beyond its horizon,
> but a computer program should find 9. Rb1. Even your solution is
> preferrable to what it played. It shows how weak this program is, when
> in such a situation with concrete threats it is not able to come up
> with something better than 9. h3 - not even at least develop an other
> piece.
>
> Greetings,
> Ralf
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 09:15:49
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 7:32 pm, "Ralf Callenberg" <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 14, 2:34 pm, "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Some material loss was inevitable after 5.Qg4 Ne7 6.Qxg7; a better
> > alternative perhaps was 6.dxc4. However, the worst mistake was a few
> > moves later: 6...Rg8 7.Qxh7 cxd4 8.a3 Qa5 9.h3?? -- This just drops a
> > piece for nothing. Least bad at that point was 9.axb4, giving up the
> > Exchange instead of a whole piece.
> Well, white can simply play 9. Rb1, this way the pawn a3 can take the
> bishop again (and it also gets rid of the possibility of Bxc3, bxc3
> Qxc3+ and takes the rook on a1), so that after 9. ... dxc3 10. axb4
> Qxb4 11. b3 he can even continue without immediate loss of material.
> But nonsense moves like 9. h3 are a speciality of Sanny's program. It
> is obvious that this program has a massive horizon problem. I can
> understand, that the consequences of 6. Qxg7 are beyond its horizon,
> but a computer program should find 9. Rb1. Even your solution is
> preferrable to what it played.
I think R-b1 is also wrong. How will you save the pawn at a3 from
Bishop/Queen?
However Taylor Kingston suggestion is correct PxB(b4) gives a
exchange of lesser points.
Bye
Sanny
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 07:32:07
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 2:34 pm, "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Some material loss was inevitable after 5.Qg4 Ne7 6.Qxg7; a better
> alternative perhaps was 6.dxc4. However, the worst mistake was a few
> moves later: 6...Rg8 7.Qxh7 cxd4 8.a3 Qa5 9.h3?? -- This just drops a
> piece for nothing. Least bad at that point was 9.axb4, giving up the
> Exchange instead of a whole piece.
Well, white can simply play 9. Rb1, this way the pawn a3 can take the
bishop again (and it also gets rid of the possibility of Bxc3, bxc3
Qxc3+ and takes the rook on a1), so that after 9. ... dxc3 10. axb4
Qxb4 11. b3 he can even continue without immediate loss of material.
But nonsense moves like 9. h3 are a speciality of Sanny's program. It
is obvious that this program has a massive horizon problem. I can
understand, that the consequences of 6. Qxg7 are beyond its horizon,
but a computer program should find 9. Rb1. Even your solution is
preferrable to what it played. It shows how weak this program is, when
in such a situation with concrete threats it is not able to come up
with something better than 9. h3 - not even at least develop an other
piece.
Greetings,
Ralf
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 06:34:47
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Please Analyze this Game.
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On 14, 1:41 am, "Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Here is the game between GetClub.com Easy Level & Zebediah any one
> please analyze this game.
>
> Zebediah is rising player at GetClub. He ranks third at GetClub.com
> Visit:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.htmlto play with him or computer.
>
> Here is the Recorded Game
>
> White: Easy
> Black: Zebediah (Ranked third at GetClub.com)
>
> Link:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
>
> 1. e4 e6
> 2. d4 d5
> 3. Nc3 Bb4
> 4. e5 c5
> 5. Qg4 Ne7
> 6. Qxg7 R-g8
> 7. Qxh7 Pxd4
> 8. a3 Qa5
> 9. h3 Pxc3
> 10. b3 B-c5
>
> You may see complete game herehttp://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM6349&game=Chess
>
> And Black is Knight up for one Pawn. Can you analyze the game and tell
> how White could have avoided it's knight to be killed by trap.
I am not an expert on the Winawer French, but after 4...c5, the main
line, almost the only move played at all, is 5.a3. This forces a
clarification: either the pin is broken after 5...Ba4 6.b4, or Black
exchanges 5...Bxc3 6.bxc3, the latter being the most commomly played
line. Thus there is no opportunity for Black to play ...cxd4 while the
Nc3 is still pinned.
Some material loss was inevitable after 5.Qg4 Ne7 6.Qxg7; a better
alternative perhaps was 6.dxc4. However, the worst mistake was a few
moves later: 6...Rg8 7.Qxh7 cxd4 8.a3 Qa5 9.h3?? -- This just drops a
piece for nothing. Least bad at that point was 9.axb4, giving up the
Exchange instead of a whole piece. After 9...Qxa1 10.Nce2 both sides
have rather ugly positions, White's probably uglier than Black's, but
the situation is far from hopeless.
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