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Date: 06 Sep 2008 00:57:46
From: Sanny
Subject: Pls analyze this game of Beginner Level
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What do you say, What were the wrong moves by Beginner that it should
have avoided?
Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com
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Jester : (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26050&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester ) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{8} d7-d5{0}
2. e4-d5{6} Qd8-d5{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} Qd5-d8{0}
4. Bf1-b5{10} c7-c6{18}
5. Bb5-c4{10} Ng8-f6{8}
6. d2-d3{18} Bc8-g4{82}
7. f2-f3{12} Bg4-e6{6}
8. Bc4-e6{12} f7-e6{8}
9. Qd1-e2{10} Qd8-d6{8}
10. Ng1-h3{10} Nb8-d7{8}
11. Ke1-g1{12} g7-g6{8}
12. Nh3-g5{16} e6-e5{6}
13. Kg1-h1{12} Bf8-g7{6}
14. Nc3-e4{12} Nf6-e4{8}
15. Ng5-e4{10} Qd6-d4{6}
16. Bc1-e3{12} Qd4-d5{10}
17. Qe2-f2{12} b7-b6{8}
18. Qf2-h4{10} Nd7-f6{20}
19. Be3-d2{12} Nf6-e4{6}
20. f3-e4{10} Qd5-d4{8}
21. Bd2-c3{14} Qd4-e3{12}
22. Qh4-g4{12} Bg7-f6{24}
23. Qg4-e6{12} Qe3-g5{0}
24. Rf1-f2{10} Ke8-d8{6}
25. Qe6-c6{12} Ra8-b8{8}
26. Ra1-f1{12} Rh8-g8{14}
27. Qc6-d5{12} Kd8-c8{28}
28. Qd5-g8{10} Kc8-b7{10}
29. Qg8-d5{16} Kb7-c8{12}
30. a2-a4{14} h7-h5{14}
31. a4-a5{28} Rb8-b7{20}
32. a5-b6{14} a7-b6{0}
33. Qd5-c6{10} Rb7-c7{6}
34. Qc6-b6{10} Rc7-d7{8}
35. Rf1-a1{12} Rd7-c7{10}
36. Qb6-b5{10} Rc7-a7{18}
37. Qb5-e8{14} Kc8-b7{6}
38. Qe8-d7{14} Kb7-b8{0}
39. Qd7-a7{14} Kb8-c8{0}
40. Qa7-a8{10} Kc8-c7{2}
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Jester : (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26050&game=Chess
Please let me know your opinion about the above moves.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Sep 2008 03:22:42
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Today again game improve Twice
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> =A0 I wonder, what is the "full potential" ofGetClub? =A0Odds are that wi=
th more men
> remaining on the board, both the human
> opponent and the program are more
> prone to errors.
Humans get tired and will be more prone to error. Computers have no
tiredness so in complex positions Computer will be able to get better
result.
Computer never does error. It will always play with same results. So
once it has learnt what to do it will keep obeying the rules forever.
While Humans get tired and make mistakes.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 23:26:47
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Today again game improve Twice
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On Sep 14, 1:20=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> White -- Black
> (easy) -- (help bot)
>
> 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c6{6}
A cowardly move; this guy crawls on his
knees, begging for a draw.
> 2. d2-d4{0} d7-d5{2}
> 3. Nb1-c3{0} d5-e4{2}
> 4. Nc3-e4{0} Bc8-f5{2}
At one time, a favorite line of Gary
Kasparov-- a real fighting machine!
> 5. f2-f3{322}
"Only so!" Other moves might lead to
some hope of advantage for White.
> ... Bf5-e4{68}
> 6. f3-e4{24} e7-e5{28}
> 7. Ng1-f3{24} e5-d4{82}
> 8. Qd1-d4{0} Qd8-d4{14}
> 9. Nf3-d4{28} Nb8-d7{34}
> 10. Bc1-g5{134} Bf8-c5{54}
> 11. Nd4-f5{88} g7-g6{46}
> 12. Nf5-h6{20}
As you can see, White dominates the
all-important corners, leaving Black
nothing but scraps.
> ... Ng8-h6{80}
> 13. Bg5-h6{0} Ke8-c8{14}
> 14. Ke1-c1{22} Nd7-e5{36}
> 15. Rd1-d8{20} Rh8-d8{14}
> 16. h2-h3{28} f7-f6{80}
> 17. Bh6-d2{0} b7-b5{110}
> 18. g2-g4{20} Ne5-f3{52}
> 19. Bf1-d3{40} Nf3-e5{46}
> 20. Rh1-f1{20} Bc5-e7{66}
> 21. Bd2-c3{42} Ne5-d3{66}
> 22. c2-d3{66} Rd8-d3{20}
All Rook and pawn endings are drawn, thus,
here the two players decided to retire early, to
grab a brewsky... . No, wait.
> 23. Bc3-f6{308} Be7-f6{76}
> 24. Rf1-f6{0} Rd3-h3{12}
> 25. Rf6-c6{24} Kc8-b7{38}
> 26. Rc6-c5{42} Kb7-b6{28}
> 27. Rc5-g5{42} Kb6-c6{56}
> 28. e4-e5{28} a7-a6{48}
> 29. e5-e6{54} Kc6-d6{26}
> 30. b2-b3{88} Kd6-e6{22}
> 31. Rg5-c5{48} Ke6-d6{24}
> 32. b3-b4{72} Rh3-h4{42}
> 33. Rc5-g5{58} Rh4-h2{40}
> 34. Kc1-b1{22} Rh2-g2{24}
> 35. a2-a3{62} Rg2-d2{80}
> 36. Rg5-c5{20} Rd2-d4{42}
> 37. g4-g5{40} Rd4-d5{60}
Surely, you don't expect GetClub to fall
for /that/?
> 38. Rc5-d5{58}
Okay-- so I was mistaken. (There's one
born every minute.)
> Second Game by Taylor Kingston
> White -- Black
> (easy) -- (Stinky Garlnoot)
> 1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{2}
> 2. c2-c3{0} d7-d5{8}
> 3. e4-d5{0} Qd8-d5{6}
> 4. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
> 5. b2-b3{134}
A clear improvement on main line theory,
this new move tempts Black into trying to
exploit more weaknesses than he can
possibly tackle all at once.
> So you can see how both players quickly got into end game where
> GetClub is weak and win the game.
>
> Still this was Easy Level and yet competed well.
>
> If they had not exchanged major pieces in the opening then it would
> have been a difficult game.
>
> As GetClub's end game is not good.
Who let the cat out of the bag? This was
supposed to be my secret weapon.
> Do you see any mistake in the games of Help Bot & Taylor Kingston.
>
> Help Bot was thinking 45 sec / move while Taylor Kingston was thinking
> 74 sec / move
Hey, when the program goes into a long
think, I switch to another "tab" (such as
this one, where I read rgc postings). To
get back and forth requires time, since
the chess engine gobbles too many
resources on my machine. It often
happens that the display will not show
the chess board for several seconds
or more.
> While the Easy Level was thinking 55 sec / move.
>
> So all players were roughly taking same time.
>
> I was expacting GetClub will win But since =A0they exchanged the pieces
> GetClub could not play with full potential.
I wonder, what is the "full potential" of
GetClub? Odds are that with more men
remaining on the board, both the human
opponent and the program are more
prone to errors.
-- help bot
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 22:20:45
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Today again game improve Twice
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Today 2 games were played by Help Bot & Taylor Kingston against easy
level.
I find Taylor Kingston too 74 sec / move while Help Bot was taking 45
sec / move.
Both win the game against Easy Level. But they exchanged the Queen in
the opening itself to avoid Big fight.
Since the major pieces were gone early, the game came into END GAME.
And since GetClub END GAME is weak both win the game easily.
Both finished the middle game quickly.
I am posting both games below.
First Game by Help Bot.
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He exhanged most of the pieces in the opening and win the End Game.
Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com
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help bot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27067&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(easy) -- (help bot)
1. e2-e4{0} c7-c6{6}
2. d2-d4{0} d7-d5{2}
3. Nb1-c3{0} d5-e4{2}
4. Nc3-e4{0} Bc8-f5{2}
5. f2-f3{322} Bf5-e4{68}
6. f3-e4{24} e7-e5{28}
7. Ng1-f3{24} e5-d4{82}
8. Qd1-d4{0} Qd8-d4{14}
9. Nf3-d4{28} Nb8-d7{34}
10. Bc1-g5{134} Bf8-c5{54}
11. Nd4-f5{88} g7-g6{46}
12. Nf5-h6{20} Ng8-h6{80}
13. Bg5-h6{0} Ke8-c8{14}
14. Ke1-c1{22} Nd7-e5{36}
15. Rd1-d8{20} Rh8-d8{14}
16. h2-h3{28} f7-f6{80}
17. Bh6-d2{0} b7-b5{110}
18. g2-g4{20} Ne5-f3{52}
19. Bf1-d3{40} Nf3-e5{46}
20. Rh1-f1{20} Bc5-e7{66}
21. Bd2-c3{42} Ne5-d3{66}
22. c2-d3{66} Rd8-d3{20}
23. Bc3-f6{308} Be7-f6{76}
24. Rf1-f6{0} Rd3-h3{12}
25. Rf6-c6{24} Kc8-b7{38}
26. Rc6-c5{42} Kb7-b6{28}
27. Rc5-g5{42} Kb6-c6{56}
28. e4-e5{28} a7-a6{48}
29. e5-e6{54} Kc6-d6{26}
30. b2-b3{88} Kd6-e6{22}
31. Rg5-c5{48} Ke6-d6{24}
32. b3-b4{72} Rh3-h4{42}
33. Rc5-g5{58} Rh4-h2{40}
34. Kc1-b1{22} Rh2-g2{24}
35. a2-a3{62} Rg2-d2{80}
36. Rg5-c5{20} Rd2-d4{42}
37. g4-g5{40} Rd4-d5{60}
38. Rc5-d5{58} Kd6-d5{4}
39. Kb1-b2{106} Kd5-e5{38}
40. a3-a4{64} Ke5-f5{16}
41. a4-b5{68} a6-b5{6}
42. Kb2-b3{106} Kf5-g5{10}
43. Kb3-c3{40} Kg5-f5{26}
44. Kc3-d4{32} g6-g5{8}
45. Kd4-e3{116} h7-h5{14}
46. Ke3-f2{82} Kf5-f4{12}
47. Kf2-g1{24} Kf4-f3{22}
48. Kg1-f1{30} g5-g4{8}
49. Kf1-e1{38} g4-g3{16}
50. Ke1-d1{40} Kf3-e3{14}
51. Kd1-c2{74}
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help bot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27067&game=Chess
Second Game by Taylor Kingston
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He too exchanged Queen in the opening Stage and win in the End Game.
Game Played between Stinky Garlnoot and easy at GetClub.com
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Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27022&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(easy) -- (Stinky Garlnoot)
1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{2}
2. c2-c3{0} d7-d5{8}
3. e4-d5{0} Qd8-d5{6}
4. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
5. b2-b3{134} Nb8-c6{130}
6. d4-c5{20} Qd5-d1{120}
7. Ke1-d1{0} e7-e5{4}
8. b3-b4{26} a7-a5{36}
9. Bf1-b5{78} Bc8-d7{102}
10. Bb5-c6{28} Bd7-c6{36}
11. f2-f3{64} b7-b6{122}
12. c5-b6{22} a5-b4{18}
13. Ng1-h3{182} Bf8-c5{398}
14. b6-b7{0} Bc6-b7{22}
15. Bc1-g5{100} Nf6-d5{46}
16. Rh1-e1{28} f7-f6{32}
17. Bg5-d2{38} b4-b3{104}
18. a2-a3{48} Ra8-d8{68}
19. a3-a4{22} Nd5-b6{58}
20. Nh3-f4{32} Ke8-f7{50}
21. a4-a5{90} Nb6-c4{42}
22. Nf4-h5{126} b3-b2{86}
23. Ra1-a2{32} Nc4-d2{42}
24. Kd1-c2{38} Nd2-c4{24}
25. a5-a6{24} Bb7-d5{80}
26. Ra2-a4{26} Rd8-b8{132}
27. a6-a7{22} Nc4-e3{46}
28. Re1-e3{30} Bd5-b3{22}
29. Kc2-d3{26} Rb8-d8{34}
30. Ra4-d4{56} e5-d4{32}
31. Re3-e1{48} Bc5-a7{20}
32. Nh5-f4{138} Rd8-c8{64}
33. c3-d4{20} Rc8-c1{26}
34. Kd3-d2{24} Rh8-c8{64}
35. Nf4-d3{26} Rc1-c2{116}
36. Kd2-e3{0} Rc8-e8{20}
37. Ke3-f4{24} Re8-e1{48}
38. Nd3-e1{46} Rc2-e2{6}
39. Ne1-d3{32} Ba7-b8{56}
40. Nd3-e5{0} f6-e5{16}
41. d4-e5{28} Bb8-e5{42}
42. Kf4-g5{84} Bb3-e6{30}
43. f3-f4{28}
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Stinky Garlnoot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27022&game=Chess
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So you can see how both players quickly got into end game where
GetClub is weak and win the game.
Still this was Easy Level and yet competed well.
If they had not exchanged major pieces in the opening then it would
have been a difficult game.
As GetClub's end game is not good.
Do you see any mistake in the games of Help Bot & Taylor Kingston.
Help Bot was thinking 45 sec / move while Taylor Kingston was thinking
74 sec / move
While the Easy Level was thinking 55 sec / move.
So all players were roughly taking same time.
I was expacting GetClub will win But since they exchanged the pieces
GetClub could not play with full potential.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 14:16:24
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Today again game improve Twice
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On Sep 13, 6:41=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Next time play with Easy Level and it will make moves of Normal Level.
> So saving your time but not the efforts to win them.
>
> Now, Taylor Kingston will find it much difficult to win the Beginner &
> Easy Level.
You obviously have no idea whom you're
dealing with. Mr. Kingston likely has two
machines set up, side by side, along with
a stack of opening books a quarter-mile
high. On top of this, he will "think" -- if
that is not too much of a stretch -- for five
minutes on a move, even against the
lower levels. Your program has no
chance against this titanic effort, this
operation Barbarossa.
-- help bot
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 03:41:27
From: Sanny
Subject: Today again game improve Twice
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Today again the game was improved.
So in comming games you have to fight heavily to win.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
May be this game you win easily. But new games you play you have to
think a lot.
Next time play with Easy Level and it will make moves of Normal Level.
So saving your time but not the efforts to win them.
Now, Taylor Kingston will find it much difficult to win the Beginner &
Easy Level.
As today again the game was improved Twice.
The Glory of GetClub Chess has returned.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 00:32:02
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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On Sep 13, 2:10=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > =A0 The Java platform seems to have slowed
> > Sanny's program down quite a bit, and his
> > "Bugster" programming language may not
> > be ideal for chess.
>
> True, If the same program is written in C then the program will be
> 5-10 times faster. But "C" program do not work on all computers. Like
> those having Linux/ Mac and other.
>
> Can a Program in C with modifications run on other platforms?
I have no idea. The comment above was
a joke-- there is no "Bugster" programming
language.
Tonight I beat up on the GetClub program
a couple of times, but in my current game
I blundered, losing a piece for nothing and
the struggle continues as I occupy my
time with other things. This could very
well end up being another hundred-mover,
since I traded into a drawable Rook ending
fully expecting to win via sheer force of will
(and of course, my superior intellect).
I'm thinking that if I had a chunk of code
to efficiently generate a list of all the legal
moves from any given position, I could
quite easily beat the GetClub program by
just bean-counting; that is, by simply
tallying up the material score and doing a
brute force search, then breaking any tie
at the instant I need to move by ordering
equal moves in a very simple manner. I
would expect to win on tactics alone, by
just getting the math right (unlike the GC
engine).
I cannot stomach trying to write code to
deal with en passant captures, castling,
or pawn promotions-- that's menial labor,
best suited for economists, politicians
and lawyers-- the lowest caste. I would
want to focus on ideas, on strategy, to
try to improve my bean-counter program
beyond simple tactics, but not until it
was proved to work properly with regard
to tactics.
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Sep 2008 23:10:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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> =A0 The Java platform seems to have slowed
> Sanny's program down quite a bit, and his
> "Bugster" programming language may not
> be ideal for chess.
True, If the same program is written in C then the program will be
5-10 times faster. But "C" program do not work on all computers. Like
those having Linux/ Mac and other.
Can a Program in C with modifications run on other platforms?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 09:05:26
From: Guest
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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>
>"Sanny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:cdee8970-4fd8-42c7-bd7d->[email protected]...
>> The Java platform seems to have slowed
>> Sanny's program down quite a bit, and his
>> "Bugster" programming language may not
>> be ideal for chess.
>
>True, If the same program is written in C then the program will be
>5-10 times faster. But "C" program do not work on all computers. Like
>those having Linux/ Mac and other.
Supposedly it can be lower than that, if you use the right data structures.
The "Just in Time" java compilers that browsers use do impose some overhead,
but the final code ends up being not too far off from regular compiled code.
Maybe x2. Quite a bit faster than your x5-x10 estimate. (If you wanted to
know for sure, just compile your program with a real native code compiler
instead of bytecode. By doing that, whatever is there that makes it slow is
mostly your own programming, not Java.)
Java will always have some performance penalty, but supposedly it can be
managed. After all, there are already a lot of other Java programs that run
fast.
You might want to try them and compare their performance to yours...
>Can a Program in C with modifications run on other platforms?
To a large degree, yes.
The few exceptions are:
1) detect whether there is any keyboard input pending. Used for pondering.
2) threads / processes. Used for multi-cpu programming.
All the rest can be done in plain generic ISO C.
And "other platforms" only involve three: Windows, Linux and Mac. Not
exactly a wide variety like it used to be.
With upcomming Javascript improvements, it might be possible to write a
reasonable javascript chess program. Not one of the toy chess programs that
have currently been done.
>
>Bye
>Sanny
>
>Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Sep 2008 13:45:06
From: jefk
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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Sanny wrote:
> Can a Program in C with modifications run on other platforms?
>
>
depends how you compile it; Linux is fully compatible with C,
but for windows you need a windoze compiler;
hey, that makes sense, doesnt it ?
:)
jef
PS Rybka 3 confirms:
chess is still a draw; least when black is choosing proper defense lines;
like the RL Zaitsev or (old) Queens Indian (eg with Bb7! after g3)
in general i suppose this is a logical outcome for a game
with so much degrees of freedom for the other (black side);
in 4-in-a-row which has been solved, after several moves,
the nr of options for the second side is drastically reduced,
so it is not suprising a forced win can be found if
the first side starts in the middle ; not with chess though,
1.e4 seems the most promising line, but black can maintain
a draw; better for (human) chess anyway, i suppose..
:)
PS2 Sanny i would kindly suggest you set up your own forum
for technical getclub chesssprogram discussions, or get some
more advice at the programmers forum at icdchess.com;
it would probably benefit your progress, and leave some
room for other topics on the chess usenet groups..
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
>
>
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Date: 12 Sep 2008 11:32:43
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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On Sep 12, 1:36=A0pm, Martin Brown <
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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Date: 12 Sep 2008 07:09:20
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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After 2 month today GetClub Chess was made Twice Stronger by removing
a Buggy code with better code.
Now, GetClub will play much stronger moves !!!.
Last 2 months there was no improvement, But today somehow GetClub was
made stronger.
Now very tough games at GetClub.
Beginner: 2200+
Easy: 2300+
Normal: 2400+
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
A few advices of Help Bot were used to improve the game. So now you
will see a real tough game at GetClub.
Now, you can play against Human Opponents also. Just choose your
Opponent and start playing with him. But you need to wait for some
opponent to arrive.
Bye
Sanny.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 23:52:35
From: help bot
Subject: Re: How about your this game
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On Sep 12, 1:28=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> This game was played after the Bug was removed still Help Bot easily
> pin the Rook of Easy Level and win the game.
> Please let me know the weakneses in Easy level game.
> White -- Black
> (easy) -- (help bot)
>
> 1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{6}
> 2. c2-c4{0} c7-c5{6}
> 3. d4-d5{0} g7-g6{10}
> 4. Ng1-f3{98} Bf8-g7{20}
> 5. Nf3-e5{94}
One obvious weakness is the program's
decided tendency to leap Knights forward,
to no effect (apart from a loss of time).
> ... Ke8-g8{22}
That's me, castling to get my King out
of the center-- take note that this occurs
at only move five.
> 6. a2-a4{272} d7-d6{54}
> 7. Ne5-d3{40} e7-e6{32}
> 8. d5-e6{22} Bc8-e6{76}
> 9. Qd1-c2{44} Nb8-c6{24}
> 10. e2-e3{36}
Okay, here we are at move ten-- double
the move number where I got my King
out of harm's way. Q: where is GetClub's
King? A: still in the center!
> ... Rf8-e8{92}
The heavy artillery is rolled into position,
and the half-ton shells are being loaded.
> 11. f2-f3{94} b7-b6{78}
> 12. g2-g4{50}
Move twelve, and what is White doing?
Still messing around, waiting for the axe
to fall, for the chickens to come home to
roost, for bell-bottoms to come back in
style.
> ... d6-d5{76}
> 13. c4-d5{0} Be6-d5{22}
> 14. Nb1-d2{278} Nc6-d4{56}
> 15. Qc2-b1{30} Nf6-g4{66}
> 16. f3-g4{172} Bd5-h1{36}
The game is already decided by this
point, but what the heck-- let's see how
much longer GetClub can expose itself,
er, I mean expose its King to attack.
> 17. h2-h3{146} Bh1-d5{92}
> 18. Ke1-d1{20} Bd5-b3{80}
> 19. Nd2-b3{0} Nd4-b3{4}
> 20. Ra1-a3{32} c5-c4{18}
> 21. Ra3-b3{58} c4-b3{10}
> 22. Kd1-e2{52} Ra8-c8{20}
> 23. Bc1-d2{34} Rc8-c2{34}
> 24. Qb1-d1{70} Bg7-d4{122}
> 25. e3-e4{210} Re8-e4{26}
> 26. Ke2-f3{0} Qd8-d5{30}
> 27. Kf3-g3{24} Bd4-e5{46}
> 28. Kg3-f2{52} Be5-d4{66}
Uh oh-- it looks like I'm gonna need
more men for this job. Maybe if I try
zapping a key defender?
> 29. Kf2-g3{58} Rc2-d2{118}
> 30. Qd1-d2{42} Re4-e3{18}
> 31. Kg3-h2{50} Qd5-e4{132}
> 32. Qd2-d1{138} Kg8-g7{158}
> 33. a4-a5{96} b6-a5{22}
> 34. Qd1-c1{230} Re3-d3{62}
> 35. Bf1-d3{22} Qe4-d3{18}
> 36. Qc1-e1{26} a5-a4{30}
> 37. h3-h4{28} a4-a3{22}
> 38. b2-a3{44} b3-b2{16}
> 39. Kh2-g2{196} Rb2-b1{R}{64}
That's pawn-to-b1, promotes to Rook
for you folks who can decipher Bacchi.
> 40. Qe1-b1{32} Qd3-b1{26}
> 41. h4-h5{34} Qb1-e4{24}
> 42. Kg2-g3{32} g6-g5{32}
> 43. a3-a4{10}
> Was there any way to save its Rook.
Wrong question. The issue is: was there
any way to save its King? All the other men
are expendable in chess, while the very
object of the game revolves around check-
mating the opponent's King.
This brings us back to the problem of
leaving one's King in the center of the
board, where it is often subject to attack.
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I (somewhat) enjoy playing against this
unconventional style, where I am not
faced with rote developing moves that
can lead to relatively sterile positions.
The bizarre Knight hops, the refusal to
castle or develop "normally", can lead
to very interesting chess, even if it is a
bit one-sided.
-- help bot
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 22:28:51
From: Sanny
Subject: How about your this game
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Game between Help Bot and Easy Level.
This game was played after the Bug was removed still Help Bot easily
pin the Rook of Easy Level and win the game.
Please let me know the weakneses in Easy level game.
Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com
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help bot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26689&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(easy) -- (help bot)
1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{6}
2. c2-c4{0} c7-c5{6}
3. d4-d5{0} g7-g6{10}
4. Ng1-f3{98} Bf8-g7{20}
5. Nf3-e5{94} Ke8-g8{22}
6. a2-a4{272} d7-d6{54}
7. Ne5-d3{40} e7-e6{32}
8. d5-e6{22} Bc8-e6{76}
9. Qd1-c2{44} Nb8-c6{24}
10. e2-e3{36} Rf8-e8{92}
11. f2-f3{94} b7-b6{78}
12. g2-g4{50} d6-d5{76}
13. c4-d5{0} Be6-d5{22}
14. Nb1-d2{278} Nc6-d4{56}
15. Qc2-b1{30} Nf6-g4{66}
16. f3-g4{172} Bd5-h1{36}
17. h2-h3{146} Bh1-d5{92}
18. Ke1-d1{20} Bd5-b3{80}
19. Nd2-b3{0} Nd4-b3{4}
20. Ra1-a3{32} c5-c4{18}
21. Ra3-b3{58} c4-b3{10}
22. Kd1-e2{52} Ra8-c8{20}
23. Bc1-d2{34} Rc8-c2{34}
24. Qb1-d1{70} Bg7-d4{122}
25. e3-e4{210} Re8-e4{26}
26. Ke2-f3{0} Qd8-d5{30}
27. Kf3-g3{24} Bd4-e5{46}
28. Kg3-f2{52} Be5-d4{66}
29. Kf2-g3{58} Rc2-d2{118}
30. Qd1-d2{42} Re4-e3{18}
31. Kg3-h2{50} Qd5-e4{132}
32. Qd2-d1{138} Kg8-g7{158}
33. a4-a5{96} b6-a5{22}
34. Qd1-c1{230} Re3-d3{62}
35. Bf1-d3{22} Qe4-d3{18}
36. Qc1-e1{26} a5-a4{30}
37. h3-h4{28} a4-a3{22}
38. b2-a3{44} b3-b2{16}
39. Kh2-g2{196} Rb2-b1{R}{64}
40. Qe1-b1{32} Qd3-b1{26}
41. h4-h5{34} Qb1-e4{24}
42. Kg2-g3{32} g6-g5{32}
43. a3-a4{10}
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help bot: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26689&game=Chess
Was there any way to save its Rook.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 15:48:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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On Sep 11, 5:45=A0am, Martin Brown <
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 13:06:43
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: "Charlie" Bug found & Removed.
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On Sep 11, 3:52=A0pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), SBD <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 11, 12:22=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> What do you say Chalie and Martin Brown?
>
> >He a clown, that Chalie Brown.
>
> But will he get caught?
>
> We'll have to wait and see.
Why's evuhbody always pickin' on San-nee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd2hoRQDXGVo
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 10:40:50
From: SBD
Subject: Re: "Charlie" Bug found & Removed.
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On Sep 11, 12:22=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> What do you say Chalie and Martin Brown?
He a clown, that Chalie Brown.
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 12:52:13
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: "Charlie" Bug found & Removed.
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT), SBD <[email protected] >
wrote:
>On Sep 11, 12:22�pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What do you say Chalie and Martin Brown?
>
>
>He a clown, that Chalie Brown.
But will he get caught?
We'll have to wait and see.
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 10:22:00
From: Sanny
Subject: "Charlie" Bug found & Removed.
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This game had a bug when playing that was removed today.
Today after the Bug was removed GetClub Beginner Level defeated Jester
and Beginner win the game.
Here is the game where Beginner win against the Jester.
Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com
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sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26662&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{4} c7-c5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{4} g7-g6{0}
3. d2-d4{6} c5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{8} Bf8-g7{0}
5. Nb1-c3{10} h7-h5{48}
6. Bc1-e3{10} a7-a6{10}
7. f2-f4{12} d7-d6{28}
8. Bf1-e2{10} Ng8-f6{26}
9. f4-f5{10} e7-e5{6}
10. f5-e6{10} f7-e6{6}
11. Ke1-g1{12} Ke8-g8{12}
12. Be2-c4{12} d6-d5{8}
13. e4-d5{10} e6-d5{12}
14. Bc4-b3{10} Nb8-c6{18}
15. Nd4-e2{12} Nc6-a5{34}
16. Bb3-d5{12} Nf6-d5{10}
17. Rf1-f8{14} Kg8-f8{10}
18. Ne2-f4{14} Na5-c4{14}
19. Nc3-d5{12} Bg7-b2{6}
20. Nf4-g6{14} Kf8-f7{10}
21. Ng6-e5{10} Bb2-e5{10}
22. Qd1-h5{10} Kf7-g7{18}
23. Be3-g5{10} Qd8-d5{6}
24. Ra1-f1{12} Be5-d4{8}
25. Kg1-h1{10} Bc8-e6{22}
26. a2-a4{14} Ra8-h8{26}
27. Qh5-e2{10} Nc4-b6{30}
28. Bg5-e3{12} Bd4-e3{8}
29. Qe2-e3{10} Nb6-d7{6}
30. Qe3-g3{12} Kg7-h6{10}
31. Qg3-h4{12} Qd5-h5{14}
32. Qh4-d4{14} Rh8-e8{34}
33. Qd4-e4{12} b7-b6{22}
34. Rf1-b1{14} Be6-d5{6}
35. Qe4-f4{10} Qh5-g5{26}
36. Qf4-f2{10} Bd5-c6{10}
37. Rb1-d1{10} Re8-f8{12}
38. Qf2-e2{10} Bc6-a4{8}
39. Qe2-a6{10} Ba4-c2{6}
40. Rd1-d6{12} Rf8-f6{12}
41. Qa6-a3{16} Bc2-f5{16}
42. Rd6-f6{10} Nd7-f6{26}
43. Qa3-a1{12} Bf5-e4{6}
44. Qa1-b2{12} Qg5-g7{10}
45. Qb2-f2{12} b6-b5{12}
46. Kh1-g1{12} Qg7-g6{10}
47. h2-h3{10} b5-b4{10}
48. g2-g3{10} Kh6-g7{12}
49. Qf2-a7{14} Qg6-f7{10}
50. Qa7-a5{10} Qf7-b3{12}
51. Qa5-g5{12} Kg7-f7{6}
52. Kg1-f1{10} Qb3-f3{6}
53. Kf1-e1{14} Qf3-h1{0}
54. Ke1-e2{14} Qh1-h3{8}
55. Qg5-e5{10} Qh3-h2{10}
56. Ke2-d1{10} Qh2-c2{8}
57. Kd1-e1{8} Qc2-c3{0}
58. Qe5-c3{12} b4-c3{8}
59. g3-g4{10} c3-c2{44}
60. Ke1-d2{10} Nf6-g4{6}
61. Kd2-c1{12} Ng4-e5{6}
62. Kc1-d2{14} Ne5-c4{8}
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sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26662&game=Chess
So you see how Beginner won the game. Was there any better way of
winning?
What do you say Chalie and Martin Brown?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Another game to analyze.
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Date: 10 Sep 2008 23:07:29
From: Sanny
Subject: Another game to analyze.
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Help Bot easily took White pieces due to think Normal Level was
playing wrong moves?
Game Played between help bot and normal at GetClub.com
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help bot: (Black)
normal: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26644&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(normal) -- (help bot)
1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{6}
2. Nb1-c3{224} g7-g6{26}
3. Ng1-f3{444} Bf8-g7{20}
4. Bf1-c4{492} Nb8-c6{24}
5. b2-b3{500} Ng8-f6{42}
6. Ra1-b1{254} Ke8-g8{30}
7. Ke1-g1{298} e7-e6{88}
8. Nf3-g5{198} d7-d5{32}
9. e4-d5{160} e6-d5{272}
10. Bc4-e2{98} h7-h6{104}
11. Ng5-f3{106} d5-d4{48}
12. Nc3-a4{94} b7-b6{158}
13. Bc1-b2{462} Rf8-e8{138}
14. Be2-c4{208} a7-a6{86}
15. Rf1-e1{90} Re8-e1{48}
16. Qd1-e1{82} b6-b5{70}
17. Bc4-f7{106} Kg8-f7{70}
18. Na4-c5{108} Qd8-d5{74}
19. Nc5-d3{118} Nf6-h5{44}
20. Rb1-c1{176} b5-b4{54}
21. Kg1-h1{94} Bc8-g4{78}
22. Qe1-e2{98} Ra8-e8{18}
23. c2-c4{428} d4-c3{36}
24. Qe2-f1{370} Bg4-f3{54}
25. d2-c3{144} Bf3-e2{48}
26. Qf1-e1{152} Be2-d3{34}
27. Qe1-g1{208} Re8-e2{76}
28. c3-c4{214} Qd5-e6{70}
29. Bb2-a1{354} Bg7-a1{116}
30. Rc1-a1{84} Nh5-f6{70}
31. f2-f3{116} Nc6-e7{50}
32. Qg1-d4{354} Ne7-f5{118}
33. Qd4-c5{122} Nf6-d7{76}
34. Qc5-d5{458} Qe6-d5{38}
35. c4-d5{204} Nf5-e3{46}
36. d5-d6{88} Ne3-g2{54}
37. Ra1-f1{340} Ng2-e3{72}
38. Rf1-a1{294} Nd7-e5{72}
39. d6-d7{4}
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help bot: (Black)
normal: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM26644&game=Chess
What were the major problems in Normal Level game.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Pls analyze this game of Beginner Level
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Date: 11 Sep 2008 14:43:56
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Pls analyze this game of Beginner Level
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[Egregious cross-post trimmed.]
Martin Brown <
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