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Date: 11 May 2006 10:23:54
From: Terry
Subject: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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In 10 years of posting on usenet - I have never killfiled anybody.
After reading Ray Gordon's numerous posts on chess I can
take no more. He simply knows nothing about chess.
All those seeking to improve their chess - Please ignore his posts.
Regards
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 10:11:37
From: Non scrivetemi
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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After reading Ray Gordon's interesting posts on chess I can
say his posts are the most 'enlightening' and sincere.
He has a didactic opinion in dissecting the finer nuances of chess.
All those seeking to improve their chess - Please pay attention to
his response.
Kindest Regards
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Date: 11 May 2006 14:49:55
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:
Antonio Torrecillas has apparently misunderstood what
I wrote in English (which is not his best language).
> En/na Nick ha escrit:
> >Terry wrote:
> >
> >>>In 10 years of posting on usenet - I have never killfiled anybody.
> >>>After reading Ray Gordon's numerous posts on chess I can
> >>>take no more. He simply knows nothing about chess.
> >
> > I would *not* say that Ray Gordon 'simply knows nothing about
> > chess'. I would say that Ray Gordon has many fundamental
> > misconceptions about chess, and he's evidently unwilling
> > to listen seriously to any advice or criticism about them.
>
> I would said the opposite: Ray Gordon knows nothing about chess.
Antonio Torrecillas seems *not* to understand the meaning
of 'opposite' as applied to statements in English.
Does Antonio Torrecillas believes that Ray Gordon does
*not* know how to mate with king and queen against king?
> The problem is that Ray gives very negative advice continuously.
> He is unable to understand that and repeat his negative advice.
Antonio Torrecillas seems *not* to understand that I already
have criticised Ray Gordon--many times--for his comments.
> > Yet I have to say that, given his self-described extremely
> > intensive chess training, Ray Gordon's 'peak USCF rating
> > is 2000' seems far from impressive. More than a few
> > players have become stronger than 2000 USCF while
> > having spent much less time training than Ray Gordon.
>
> In first place, the only rating I have seen here was 1900.
In fact, I was responsible for posting the USCF record of
Gordon R Parker (aka 'Ray Gordon') in rec.games.chess.*
Antonio Torrecillas is telling me nothing that I did
not already know about Ray Gordon.
> That is not a problem, all we are patzers if we compare ourselves with
> anyone stronger. Sure many people here knows a 2450-2500 GM who feel to
> be a patzer when He plays versus players 200 points higher.
>
> And more the rating not only measure chess knowledge but also nerves
> control, capacity of concentration, physical state, ...
>
> It's possible to find a player X 200 having points less than player Y
> but having more chess knowledge
>
> Sure you will agree that Karpov do not understand worse chess once his
> rating goes down, He simply is older and can not play at his best during
> 5 hours.
>
> But that is not the case of Ray Gordon: I deduct from his nonsense
> advice He actually thinks the same He write and that proves He knows
> nothing about chess. He only plays 1 minute games and I call that
> circus not chess.
I concur with most of Antonio Torrecillas's criticisms of Ray Gordon.
But I still believe that it's an overstatement to write that 'Ray
Gordon knows nothing about chess'. According to the USCF
website, Gordon R Parker (aka Ray Gordon) is rated 1900 USCF.
Most adult USCF members are rated under 1900 USCF.
So would Antonio Torrecillas believe that most adult
USCF members must know less than nothing about chess?
Antonio Torrecillas seems to be writing here like he believes
that I must be a general defender of Ray Gordon as a writer
in rec.games.chess.* On the contrary, I have criticised
Ray Gordon many times. Nonetheless, I still believe that
it's important enough to distinguish between justified criticisms
and excessive criticisms of Ray Gordon.
By the way, I hope that no one believes that I am prejudiced
in any way against Antonio Torrecillas on account of the fact
that his mother tongue's not English. My mother tongue
also is not English, and I know from my experience that
English can be a difficult language to learn.
--Nick
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Date: 11 May 2006 22:58:06
From:
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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"Nick" <[email protected] > wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> By the way, I hope that no one believes that I am prejudiced
> in any way against Antonio Torrecillas on account of the fact
> that his mother tongue's not English. My mother tongue
> also is not English, and I know from my experience that
> English can be a difficult language to learn.
>
Nonetheless, as a native speaker of American English, I would have to say
that, until now, I hadn't realized that English was not your first
language. Your formality should have given me a hint, ;-/
I studied Spanish for 3 years in high school, more with my Puerto Rican
(ex) wife, more with my Mexican (ex) wife and for many years with my
Argentino co-workers at ABC-TV. My observation is that it's easier to speak
a foreign language than to understand it. "Hablo poquito, entiendo menos!"
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !
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Date: 11 May 2006 13:23:01
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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Ray Gordon wrote:
> Terry wrote:
> > In 10 years of posting on usenet - I have never killfiled anybody.
> > After reading Ray Gordon's numerous posts on chess I can
> > take no more. He simply knows nothing about chess.
I would *not* say that Ray Gordon 'simply knows nothing about
chess'. I would say that Ray Gordon has many fundamental
misconceptions about chess, and he's evidently unwilling
to listen seriously to any advice or criticism about them.
> Well for someone who knows nothing about chess, my
> peak USCF rating of 2000 is quite an accomplishment!
I believe that those writers who have put down Ray Gordon
as an *extremely weak* player have been wrong to do so.
Yet I have to say that, given his self-described extremely
intensive chess training, Ray Gordon's 'peak USCF rating
is 2000' seems far from impressive. More than a few
players have become stronger than 2000 USCF while
having spent much less time training than Ray Gordon.
Ray Gordon reminds me of a somewhat above average
student in mathematics who likes to boast about how
many hours he has spent doing his homework.
As a rather indolent young student, I preferred to
spend about as little time as possible on homework
or in attending lectures (I don't have enough time now
to explain my circumstances), but my conduct became
(grudgingly) accepted by the academic authorities
because I always did exceptionally well on my
examinations in mathematics. The results,
not the claimed effort, were what mattered.
> > All those seeking to improve their chess - Please ignore his posts.
>
> Wow, he's got to speak for everyone now.
Terry Bean is 168 BCF and 2079 FIDE, so he may
not be too impressed by Ray Gordon (who boasts
of a 'peak USCF rating of 2000').
--Nick
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Date: 11 May 2006 22:45:57
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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En/na Nick ha escrit:
>>Terry wrote:
>>
>>>In 10 years of posting on usenet - I have never killfiled anybody.
>>>After reading Ray Gordon's numerous posts on chess I can
>>>take no more. He simply knows nothing about chess.
>
> I would *not* say that Ray Gordon 'simply knows nothing about
> chess'. I would say that Ray Gordon has many fundamental
> misconceptions about chess, and he's evidently unwilling
> to listen seriously to any advice or criticism about them.
I would said the opposite: Ray Gordon knows nothing about chess.
The problem is that Ray gives very negative advice continuously. He is
unable to understand that and repeat his negative advice.
> Yet I have to say that, given his self-described extremely
> intensive chess training, Ray Gordon's 'peak USCF rating
> is 2000' seems far from impressive. More than a few
> players have become stronger than 2000 USCF while
> having spent much less time training than Ray Gordon.
In first place, the only rating I have seen here was 1900.
That is not a problem, all we are patzers if we compare ourselves with
anyone stronger. Sure many people here knows a 2450-2500 GM who feel to
be a patzer when He plays versus players 200 points higher.
And more the rating not only measure chess knowledge but also nerves
control, capacity of concentration, physical state, ...
It's possible to find a player X 200 having points less than player Y
but having more chess knowledge
Sure you will agree that Karpov do not understand worse chess once his
rating goes down, He simply is older and can not play at his best during
5 hours.
But that is not the case of Ray Gordon: I deduct from his nonsense
advice He actually thinks the same He write and that proves He knows
nothing about chess.
He only plays 1 minute games and I call that circus not chess.
Antonio
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Date: 11 May 2006 22:26:48
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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>> I would *not* say that Ray Gordon 'simply knows nothing about
>> chess'. I would say that Ray Gordon has many fundamental
>> misconceptions about chess, and he's evidently unwilling
>> to listen seriously to any advice or criticism about them.
>
> I would said the opposite: Ray Gordon knows nothing about chess.
>
> The problem is that Ray gives very negative advice continuously. He is
> unable to understand that and repeat his negative advice.
Antonio is the one with a problem, because he's not just giving his opinion,
but considers it a "problem" that I teach chess to others.
Perhaps if someone posted about what a "problem" it was that he was doing
whatever it is he chooses to do for a living, that he'd better understand
the legal implications of interfering with someone's business in that
fashion.
What he doesn't realize is that by telling others not to listen to someone,
he is by definition telling them to listen to him instead, and that makes
him a direct competitor to me for chess advice. In the course of that
"competition" he is disparaging his competitor.
--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918
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Date: 12 May 2006 11:14:12
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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En/na Ray Gordon ha escrit:
>>The problem is that Ray gives very negative advice continuously. He is
>>unable to understand that and repeat his negative advice.
>
> Antonio is the one with a problem, because he's not just giving his opinion,
> but considers it a "problem" that I teach chess to others.
>
> Perhaps if someone posted about what a "problem" it was that he was doing
> whatever it is he chooses to do for a living, ...
I do not consider a "problem" that you teach chess for a living.
I hope you will be interested in doing your job in the best way, and the
problem come when your students receive the kind of advice we can read
here in RGCA.
AT
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Date: 12 May 2006 19:48:42
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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>> Antonio is the one with a problem, because he's not just giving his
>> opinion,
>> but considers it a "problem" that I teach chess to others.
>>
>> Perhaps if someone posted about what a "problem" it was that he was doing
>> whatever it is he chooses to do for a living, ...
>
> I do not consider a "problem" that you teach chess for a living.
> I hope you will be interested in doing your job in the best way, and the
> problem come when your students receive the kind of advice we can read
> here in RGCA.
Like I say, commercial disparagement is actionable in a court of law. You
are over the line, and brave only because you hide in another country.
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Date: 13 May 2006 08:01:45
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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En/na Ray Gordon ha escrit:
>>I do not consider a "problem" that you teach chess for a living.
>>I hope you will be interested in doing your job in the best way, and the
>>problem come when your students receive the kind of advice we can read
>>here in RGCA.
>
> Like I say, commercial disparagement is actionable in a court of law. You
> are over the line, and brave only because you hide in another country.
Here in Spain, mental disease is actionable in a manicomic. Your
traspased the line many times, and brave only because you hide by empty
words about a intelligent game you do not understand.
AT
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Date: 13 May 2006 08:33:24
From: Terry
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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"Antonio Torrecillas" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> En/na Ray Gordon ha escrit:
>>>I do not consider a "problem" that you teach chess for a living.
>>>I hope you will be interested in doing your job in the best way, and the
>>>problem come when your students receive the kind of advice we can read
>>>here in RGCA.
>>
>> Like I say, commercial disparagement is actionable in a court of law.
>> You are over the line, and brave only because you hide in another
>> country.
>
> Here in Spain, mental disease is actionable in a manicomic. Your traspased
> the line many times, and brave only because you hide by empty words about
> a intelligent game you do not understand.
>
> AT
>
Ouch :-)
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Date: 12 May 2006 11:00:28
From: Antonio Torrecillas
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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En/na Ray Gordon ha escrit:
>>>I would *not* say that Ray Gordon 'simply knows nothing about
>>>chess'. I would say that Ray Gordon has many fundamental
>>>misconceptions about chess, and he's evidently unwilling
>>>to listen seriously to any advice or criticism about them.
>>
>>I would said the opposite: Ray Gordon knows nothing about chess.
>>
>>The problem is that Ray gives very negative advice continuously. He is
>>unable to understand that and repeat his negative advice.
>
> Antonio is the one with a problem, because he's not just giving his opinion,
> but considers it a "problem" that I teach chess to others.
>
> Perhaps if someone posted about what a "problem" it was that he was doing
> whatever it is he chooses to do for a living, that he'd better understand
> the legal implications of interfering with someone's business in that
> fashion.
>
> What he doesn't realize is that by telling others not to listen to someone,
> he is by definition telling them to listen to him instead, and that makes
> him a direct competitor to me for chess advice. In the course of that
> "competition" he is disparaging his competitor.
Ray, ... the writer in RGCA which add more discredit to your ideas is
Ray yourself. (simply posting)
Antonio
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Date: 11 May 2006 11:20:46
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Ray Gordon now in my killfile
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> In 10 years of posting on usenet - I have never killfiled anybody.
> After reading Ray Gordon's numerous posts on chess I can
> take no more. He simply knows nothing about chess.
Well for someone who knows nothing about chess, my peak USCF rating of 2000
is quite an accomplishment!
>
> All those seeking to improve their chess - Please ignore his posts.
Wow, he's got to speak for everyone now.
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