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Date: 22 Sep 2008 04:37:55
From: Sanny
Subject: Rybka vs GetClub Easy Level.
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Today a few thinks were corrected at GetClub. And after that I played
a game between GetClub & Rybka at hard level.
Rybka took 46 moves to win the game. In the opening GetClub lost a
pawn for nothing.
On analyzing with computer I find that was correct move. Still getclub
was a pawn down.
Game Played between sanjay11 and easy at GetClub.com
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27616&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Rybka ) -- (easy)
1. e2-e4{2} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{6} d7-d6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{8} Ng8-f6{52}
4. Bf1-c4{10} Nf6-g4{32}
5. h2-h3{12} Ng4-f6{54}
6. Nf3-g5{24} d6-d5{26}
7. e4-d5{12} Bf8-c5{70}
8. Ng5-e4{12} Bc5-d4{82}
9. Ke1-g1{14} Nf6-e4{32}
10. Nc3-e4{12} Ke8-g8{44}
11. d2-d3{10} Bc8-f5{58}
12. c2-c3{14} Bf5-e4{42}
13. d3-e4{10} Bd4-c5{34}
14. b2-b4{12} Bc5-d6{42}
15. Qd1-g4{12} Rf8-e8{26}
16. Bc1-h6{14} Qd8-f6{42}
17. Bh6-g5{12} Qf6-g6{20}
18. Bc4-e2{12} f7-f6{26}
19. Bg5-d2{20} Qg6-g4{30}
20. Be2-g4{12} Nb8-a6{42}
21. Bd2-e3{12} Re8-d8{30}
22. Kg1-h2{14} h7-h6{148}
23. Kh2-g3{12} Kg8-h8{36}
24. a2-a4{12} Rd8-f8{26}
25. h3-h4{10} Rf8-d8{24}
26. h4-h5{12} b7-b6{20}
27. Ra1-a2{10} Rd8-f8{36}
28. a4-a5{10} f6-f5{72}
29. Bg4-f5{14} Rf8-d8{62}
30. a5-b6{14} Na6-b4{94}
31. Ra2-a7{14} Ra8-a7{24}
32. b6-a7{10} Nb4-c2{40}
33. Rf1-b1{12} Nc2-e3{22}
34. Rb1-b8{12} Ne3-f5{22}
35. e4-f5{10} e5-e4{72}
36. Kg3-g4{20} Rd8-b8{26}
37. Qa7-b8{Q}{28} Kh8-h7{20}
38. Qb8-e8{98} e4-e3{28}
39. f5-f6{8} g7-f6{68}
40. Qe8-g6{22} Kh7-h8{2}
41. Qg6-h6{14} Kh8-g8{0}
42. f2-e3{16} Bd6-e7{86}
43. Qh6-g6{14} Kg8-f8{24}
44. h5-h6{10} f6-f5{28}
45. Qg6-f5{10} Kf8-g8{62}
46. Qf5-e6{10} Kg8-h7{66}
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM27616&game=Chess
So you can see that Easy Level was able to give a good fight till 46
moves.
What were the moves that were weak and should be avoided by GetClub?
When you say a move is bad also tell how much penalty should be given
to that move.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 25 Sep 2008 00:25:54
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Opening & Middle game made Slower
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> 1. e4 e6
> 2. d4 d5
> 3. Nc3 Nf6
> 4. e5 Nd7
> 5. Nf3 c5
> 6. Bg5 Qb6
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> At this pointGetClubwent into a deep think and after ten minutes or
> so I gave up and closed the window.
You are playing with Higher Level "Normal"
Normal Level thinks for 5 min - 15 min / move.
You should play with Easy Level which plays faster.
Easy Level: 1-2 min / move.
If you wish to close that game tell me your username and I will remove
your game So that you can start a new game with Easy Level.
Or if you wish you may continue the game. But then Normal Level thinks
for 5-10 min on some moves.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Sep 2008 16:58:54
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Opening & Middle game made Slower
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On Sep 24, 7:13=A0am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <[email protected] > wrote:
> I tried playing a game against the "Normal" level (advertised as 1 to
> 2 minutes a move).
> I was Black:
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> 1. e4 e6
> 2. d4 d5
> 3. Nc3 Nf6
> 4. e5 Nd7
> 5. Nf3 c5
> 6. Bg5 Qb6
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> At this point GetClub went into a deep think and after ten minutes or
> so I gave up and closed the window.
I believe the simplest explanation for this sort of
"deep think" is that some crude chess programs
use all the time they have "saved" while in book,
on their first move out of book. And while it is
difficult to imagine the GetClub program staying
"in book" clear up to move six, it is possible.
Sanny's program is so slow that it is best to do
other things while the program is cranking away;
there is an annoying sound which will alert you
when it is your turn to move, and rest assured,
if you do not get back to your computer for some
time it will *not* make any significant difference
to the quality of GetClub's play.
Interestingly, many human players will do much
the same thing-- spending an inordinate amount
of time on the first move out of book, after having
been playing just by rote.
-- help bot
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Date: 24 Sep 2008 04:13:58
From: Jon D'Souza-Eva
Subject: Re: Opening & Middle game made Slower
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I tried playing a game against the "Normal" level (advertised as 1 to
2 minutes a move).
I was Black:
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Nf6
4. e5 Nd7
5. Nf3 c5
6. Bg5 Qb6
At this point GetClub went into a deep think and after ten minutes or
so I gave up and closed the window.
On 24 Sep, 09:45, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Today Opening & Middle game of GetClub was made stronger by adding few
> new rules.
>
> So you will find it difficult to take advantage in Opening.
>
> However when End Game comes GetClub will play badly as it do not know
> how to win in End Games.
>
> Play with Beginner Level if you are weak player.
>
> If you are strong player and looking for a good challenge try playing
> with Easy Level.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Sep 2008 01:45:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Opening & Middle game made Stronger
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Today Opening & Middle game of GetClub was made stronger by adding few
new rules.
So you will find it difficult to take advantage in Opening.
However when End Game comes GetClub will play badly as it do not know
how to win in End Games.
Play with Beginner Level if you are weak player.
If you are strong player and looking for a good challenge try playing
with Easy Level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Sep 2008 05:18:31
From: Sanny
Subject: Another Rybka vs GetClub Easy Level.
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> =A0 In the very limited work I've done, it appears
> that nearly every commercialchessengine
> gets beaten like carrots-- except the very few
> which are, like Rybka, *superb* with tactics.
Here is another spice match between Rybka & GetClub.
GetClub got a Bishop for Rook & Pawn. And Rybka easily get the Queen
with its extra pawn. Winning the game Quickly in 36 moves.
Game Played between sanjay11 and easy at GetClub.com
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27715&game=
=3DChess
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White -- Black
(Rybka ) -- (easy)
1. e2-e4{2} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{20} Nb8-c6{0}
3. d2-d4{12} e5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{8} Qd8-h4{0}
5. Nb1-c3{12} Nc6-d4{42}
6. Qd1-d4{10} Ng8-f6{64}
7. g2-g3{12} Qh4-g4{34}
8. Bf1-e2{14} c7-c5{44}
9. Qd4-f6{14} Qg4-e2{26}
10. Ke1-e2{12} g7-f6{24}
11. Nc3-d5{14} Bf8-d6{30}
12. Bc1-h6{14} b7-b6{46}
13. Bh6-g7{16} Bc8-a6{48}
14. Ke2-e3{12} Ke8-c8{26}
15. Bg7-f6{14} Rh8-e8{180}
16. Bf6-d8{22} Kc8-d8{154}
17. Nd5-f6{12} Re8-e6{24}
18. Nf6-h7{10} f7-f5{122}
19. Nh7-g5{14} Re6-f6{54}
20. f2-f4{12} f5-e4{38}
21. Ra1-d1{12} Ba6-b7{42}
22. Rd1-d6{20} Rf6-d6{28}
23. Ng5-f7{10} Kd8-c7{28}
24. Nf7-d6{12} Kc7-d6{30}
25. Rh1-d1{2} Kd6-c7{100}
26. c2-c4{14} d7-d6{96}
27. h2-h4{36} a7-a5{154}
28. h4-h5{18} a5-a4{36}
29. h5-h6{10} d6-d5{44}
30. c4-d5{32} b6-b5{54}
31. h6-h7{14} c5-c4{294}
32. d5-d6{450} Kc7-d7{0}
33. Qh7-h8{Q}{10} Bb7-c6{32}
34. Qh8-g7{12} Kd7-e6{0}
35. f4-f5{14} Ke6-f5{0}
36. g3-g4{18} Kf5-e6{0}
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Rybka : (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM27715&game=
=3DChess
In this game GetClub lost a pawn and Rook for Bishop. GetClub had no
way to avoid that exchange and it was forced to down by 2 points.
Can you see any way GetClub had survived?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 22 Sep 2008 18:00:59
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rybka vs GetClub Easy Level.
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On Sep 22, 7:37=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> White -- Black
> (Rybka ) -- (easy)
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> 1. e2-e4{2} e7-e5{0}
> 2. Ng1-f3{6} d7-d6{0}
This move, ...d6, should be removed from the
opening book, as it is inferior to such alternatives
as ...Nf6 and ...Nc6.
> 3. Nb1-c3{8} Ng8-f6{52}
> 4. Bf1-c4{10} Nf6-g4{32}
This is a bad move; Black ought to be develop-
ing all his pieces and castling to safety, not
hopping about the board aimlessly with any one
piece.
> 5. h2-h3{12} Ng4-f6{54}
> 6. Nf3-g5{24} d6-d5{26}
> 7. e4-d5{12} Bf8-c5{70}
> 8. Ng5-e4{12} Bc5-d4{82}
> 9. Ke1-g1{14} Nf6-e4{32}
> 10. Nc3-e4{12} Ke8-g8{44}
The fact that the GetClub program managed
to get castled -- a rarity of sorts -- explains in
part why it took Rybka so long to polish it off.
> 46. Qf5-e6{10} Kg8-h7{66}
> So you can see that Easy Level was able to give a good fight till 46
> moves.
>
> What were the moves that were weak and should be avoided by GetClub?
What "should be avoided" by GetClub is any
contest against Rybka which does not involve
*at least* Knight odds.
However, the vast chasm between the two
programs does have its advantages; for
instance, you can test the GC program and
just assume that Rybka's analysis is "perfect",
since in 99.999% of cases, the GC program
will not stumble upon one of the exceptions
where GC's "best move" really is better than
Rybka's.
In the very limited work I've done, it appears
that nearly every commercial chess engine
gets beaten like carrots-- except the very few
which are, like Rybka, *superb* with tactics.
As we have seen, the GetClub program is
one of the worst chess programs known to
man, when it comes to tactics.
-- help bot
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Date: 22 Sep 2008 11:24:46
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Rybka vs GetClub Easy Level.
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On Sep 22, 1:59=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sep 22, 4:37=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What were the moves that were weak and should be avoided by GetClub?
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> > When you say a move is bad also tell how much penalty should be given
> > to that move.
> No, it didn't. This game was lost on the move 4...Ng4. The rest is
> just mopping up.
Penalty for that move: 15 yards and loss of down.
> I particularly enjoyed the five useless rook moves (moves 21,
Five-minute major.
> 24,
Loss of all interest earned in the previous quarter.
> 25,
$250 fine and 3 points on GetClub's license.
> 27
Confined to barracks for two weeks, plus KP.
> and 29).
No dessert, and sent to bed early.
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Date: 22 Sep 2008 10:59:59
From:
Subject: Re: Rybka vs GetClub Easy Level.
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On Sep 22, 4:37=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> So you can see that Easy Level was able to give a good fight till 46
> moves.
No, it didn't. This game was lost on the move 4...Ng4. The rest is
just mopping up.
I particularly enjoyed the five useless rook moves (moves 21, 24, 25,
27 and 29).
> What were the moves that were weak and should be avoided by GetClub?
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> When you say a move is bad also tell how much penalty should be given
> to that move.
These two sentences tell me everything I need to know about how this
engine is being programmed. At this rate, it should take roughly
47,000 years for you to individually program every move that should be
avoided.
Have fun!
jm
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