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Date: 15 Dec 2008 08:23:23
From: Sanny
Subject: The GetClub Legend
> Sanny once asked what more could be done to improve the program. I
> think we can now declare that it has reached a pinnacle; there is
> nothing that can be done to improve on this game. Perhaps it should be
> left for posterity, and our descendants can pride themselves on how
> wonderful their programs are compared to what people had to live with
> in the primitve 21st century.
>
> Jerry Spinrad-

True now there is no scope of improvement. Last improvement that was
done was yesterday. Still if someone complains then the program is
corrected. But now Its not possible to improve it further.

I am happy to know that GetClub program now give good challenge to
even strong players.

And today Master Level found a Mate in 16 ... 20 which no other Chess
Engine could find. Even Taylor Kingston do not believe that the game
has Mate in 16 ... 20.

Nowadays even beginner Level is giving good Challenge to human
opponents.

Only player who is still unbeatable are those taking help from other
commercial programs. Now no Human can challenge the higher levels.

I am glad with GetClub Performance. And GetClub will be remembered as
a best Chess program developed.

And if the improvements continue It will take the crown of top
engines. But that still is too far to say.

Only Time will tell what happens next. GetClub will always be
remembered in the Chess World History.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html






 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 08:54:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
On Dec 20, 9:17=A0am, MeaningWhat <m...@mq.net > wrote:
> Sanny schrieb:
>
>
>
> >> Sanny once asked what more could be done to improve the program. I
> >> think we can now declare that it has reached a pinnacle; there is
> >> nothing that can be done to improve on this game. Perhaps it should be
> >> left for posterity, and our descendants can pride themselves on how
> >> wonderful their programs are compared to what people had to live with
> >> in the primitve 21st century.
>
> >> Jerry Spinrad-
>
> > True now there is no scope of improvement. Last improvement that was
> > done was yesterday. Still if someone complains then the program is
> > corrected. But now Its not possible to improve it further.
>
> > I am happy to know that GetClub program now give good challenge to
> > even strong players.
>
> > And today Master Level found a Mate in 16 ... 20 which no other Chess
> > Engine could find. Even Taylor Kingston do not believe that the game
> > has Mate in 16 ... 20.
>
> And? where is the mate? do you have proof? show us your mate, boy!

After analysing the moves for hours it was found that there was some
error in the GetClub Program that it resigned.

No signs of error were found as the So what went wrong at that time is
still a Mystry.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html- Hide quoted text -




 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 05:17:05
From: MeaningWhat
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
Sanny schrieb:
>> Sanny once asked what more could be done to improve the program. I
>> think we can now declare that it has reached a pinnacle; there is
>> nothing that can be done to improve on this game. Perhaps it should be
>> left for posterity, and our descendants can pride themselves on how
>> wonderful their programs are compared to what people had to live with
>> in the primitve 21st century.
>>
>> Jerry Spinrad-
>
> True now there is no scope of improvement. Last improvement that was
> done was yesterday. Still if someone complains then the program is
> corrected. But now Its not possible to improve it further.
>
> I am happy to know that GetClub program now give good challenge to
> even strong players.
>
> And today Master Level found a Mate in 16 ... 20 which no other Chess
> Engine could find. Even Taylor Kingston do not believe that the game
> has Mate in 16 ... 20.
And? where is the mate? do you have proof? show us your mate, boy!
>
> Nowadays even beginner Level is giving good Challenge to human
> opponents.
>
> Only player who is still unbeatable are those taking help from other
> commercial programs. Now no Human can challenge the higher levels.
>
> I am glad with GetClub Performance. And GetClub will be remembered as
> a best Chess program developed.
>
> And if the improvements continue It will take the crown of top
> engines. But that still is too far to say.
>
> Only Time will tell what happens next. GetClub will always be
> remembered in the Chess World History.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
>


 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 21:47:30
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
> Now i hope you'll debug you're program before
> you make any more of these silly claims,
> otherwise it makes no sense to play your
> program, doesnt it ?

One possible reasion for this error was removed. I hope now such
errors will not occur.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:53:24
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
On Dec 15, 4:23=A0pm, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > Sanny once asked what more could be done to improve the program. I
> > think we can now declare that it has reached a pinnacle; there is
> > nothing that can be done to improve on this game. Perhaps it should be
> > left for posterity, and our descendants can pride themselves on how
> > wonderful their programs are compared to what people had to live with
> > in the primitve 21st century.
>
> > Jerry Spinrad-
>
> True now there is no scope of improvement. Last improvement that was
> done was yesterday. Still if someone complains then the program is
> corrected. But now Its not possible to improve it further.
>
> I am happy to know that GetClub program now give good challenge to
> even strong players.
>
> And today Master Level found a Mate in 16 ... 20 which no other Chess
> Engine could find. Even Taylor Kingston do not believe that the game
> has Mate in 16 ... 20.
>
> Nowadays even beginner Level is giving good Challenge to human
> opponents.
>
> Only player who is still unbeatable are those taking help from other
> commercial programs. Now no Human can challenge the higher levels.
>
> I am glad with GetClub Performance. And GetClub will be remembered as
> a best Chess program developed.
>
> And if the improvements continue It will take the crown of top
> engines. But that still is too far to say.
>
> Only Time will tell what happens next. GetClub will always be
> remembered in the Chess World History.

=93The Chairman:
Joseph Vissarionovich Sanny has the floor.
(Comrade Sanny's appearance in the rostrum was greeted by the
voters with loud cheers lasting several minutes. The entire audience
in the Getclub Theatre rose to its feet to greet Comrade Sanny. There
were continuous cries of "Cheers for great Sanny!" "Long live great
Sanny, Hurrah!" "Cheers for our beloved Sanny!" )
Comrade Sanny :
Comrades!
Eight years have passed since creation of the Supreme Getclub.
This has been a period replete with events of a decisive nature. The
first four years were years of intense labour on the part of Getclub
people in carrying out the Third Five-Year Plan. The second four years
covered the events of the conflict against the Anti-Getclub
aggressors - and the events of the =93Everbrown Game=94. Undoubtedly, the
=93Everbrown Game=94 was the main event during the past period.
It would be wrong to think that the =93Everbrown Game=94 broke out
accidentally, or as a result of blunders committed by certain people
at Getclub, although blunders were certainly committed. As a matter of
fact, the =93Everbrown Game=94 broke out as the inevitable result of the
development of world economic and political forces on the basis of
present-day monopolistic capitalism=85=85=94

(A massive asteroid collides with earth)
Chairman: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Joseph Vissarionovich Sanny: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Getclub Master level: Knight Dee Seven!!


 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:25:27
From: help bot
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
On Dec 17, 2:54=A0pm, jefk <k...@wanadoo.nl > wrote:

> anyway, i did some hours checking on my Quad,
> with Rybka and Deep Positional analysis with Aquarium;


What exactly is the difference between, say,
Aquarium's deep positional analysis and just a
plain old regular analysis by Rybka, running in
some other graphic user interface?

I did a bit of checking, and it turns out that in
order to get the funky "Monte Carlo analysis",
one would apparently have to buy a ChessBase
GUI.

But what if I want it all-- the deep positional
analysis function, blunder-checking, and Monte
Carlo? (Santa?)


-- help bot


  
Date: 17 Dec 2008 21:45:31
From: jefk
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
help bot wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2:54 pm, jefk <k...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>What exactly is the difference between, say,
> Aquarium's deep positional analysis and just a
> plain old regular analysis by Rybka,
a smaller branching factor, i.e. the line is continued after say 15 ply deep
analysis, then one (half)move/ply forward is made, than againg about
15 ply (or a certain amount of time, default 10 sec) etc.
In such a way you can reach much deeper when you analyse
the position for a long time, say several hours.\

> running in some other graphic user interface?
>
its comparable with the correspondence analysis under the Chessbase/
Fritz GUI; although its my impression that with Aquarium the sorting
process -of the resulting moves- is done a bit better ,when the search
is completed/terminated (havent looked into it in detail though, im
not a software tester but just a user, only interested in results,
whether with Aquarium or with Chessbase, doesnt matter

> I did a bit of checking, and it turns out that in
> order to get the funky "Monte Carlo analysis",
> one would apparently have to buy a ChessBase
>
yep, but such Monte Carlo analysis imho only pays off with a fast comp,
long analysis time, and an endgame position (or maybe middlegame/endgame
transition); anyway you sometimes can get interesting results about
certain moves/planning which are not immediately suggested with
'normal' (or even deep positional) analysis.

jef

PS above mentioned deep positional analysis of course
isnt a full mate search, but there are some programs which
can do that (problem solvers) problem is they
take an awful long time if they would need to find
a (legal/valid) mate in 16-20; for the 'sanny-position i'm 99,99999999
% sure they wont find such a mate (coz after queens exchange
there's simply no force mate in such a position, clear for anyone \
having some practical (&otb) experience in (computer)chess).


> GUI.
>
> But what if I want it all-- the deep positional
> analysis function, blunder-checking, and Monte
> Carlo? (Santa?)
>
>
> -- help bot
>


 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 11:54:25
From: jefk
Subject: Re: The GetClub Legend
On 15 dec, 17:23, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> And today Master Level found a Mate in 16 ... 20 which no other Chess
> Engine could find.
> I am glad with GetClub Performance. And GetClub will be remembered as
> a best Chess program developed.

well Sanny although from the other responses i wonder whether it
makes any difference to give you more feedback, one more little
reply, mostly out of annoyance about your continued mate in
16..20 claim; it looks like you're becoming somewhat delusional,
after all these months of chess programming; Sanny, you need
a beta tester, and a compagnon to look at your code, bugs, etc.
Maybe indeed it's a good idea to start from scratch again,
but you obviously not listening to such advise.

Now about you're claim of the mate in 16-20 in
that silly 4 move game; first of all, if a program makes a
move like 3.. g5 it obviously has little positional understanding;
yes, it may be intended as kings attack against white,
but white can simply castle queensside, and black is worse.

Then in respect of making a random move after it 'sees'
mate in x, this obviously is a (giant) bug, like another guy
replied it still should try to delay the mate as long as possible.
And.. if your program has such bug(s), how can you
believe it 'saw' mate in 16-20 correctly ?

anyway, i did some hours checking on my Quad,
with Rybka and Deep Positional analysis with Aquarium;
here's one of the best lines, i.e. defenses for black after:
1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 f6?! 3. e3 g5? 4.Bd3:
4.. Be6 and then: 5. h4 g4 6.e4 dxe4 7.Nxe4 Bf7
8.Qxg4 Qd7 9.Qxd7 Nxd7 (queens are exchanged,
and both sides are going to castle long)
10.Bf4 0-0-0 11.0-0-0 e6 12.g4 Ne7 13. Nf3 h6
14. Rhg1 a6 15.a3 Nc6 16. Kb1 Be7 17.Be3 Kb8
18.Nc3 Nb6 19.Rc1 Bf8 20.Rce1 Bd6 21. Ne4 Be7
22.Nc3 Bd6 23. Ne4 Be7 24. Ng3 Bd6 25. g5 hxg5
26. hxg5 (and then fxg5) +=, score +1.17 for white
according to Rybka but for a human the position
looks rather equal (in material).
Mate in 16-20 ? Ridiculous !! (& impossible)

Now i hope you'll debug you're program before
you make any more of these silly claims,
otherwise it makes no sense to play your
program, doesnt it ?

regards,
jef