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Date: 16 Jun 2005 13:11:58
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Is there anything comparable to Tartakower and DuMont's 500 Mastergames
of Chess that is more modern? If I recall correctly, it was written
about 1938.
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 07:00:20
From: Mark Houlsby
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Thanks for the reminder, Antonio. I bought a copy of that book as a
gift for a friend. I had thought that it contained no annotations,
otherwise I might have mentioned it. My memory playing tricks again....
MH
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 15:58:24
From: Antonio Torrecillas
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En/na [email protected] ha escrit:
> Is there anything comparable to Tartakower and DuMont's 500 Mastergames
> of Chess that is more modern? If I recall correctly, it was written
> about 1938.
Chess Informant has choose the best 10 games of each issue starting from
1966 (Spasski-Petrosian wch/7 was the best one)
Chess Informant published "64 GOLDEN GAMES" (best game of first 64
issues) and "best 640" (ten best games of each)covering until 1995.
It's a good selection but the comemnts are with symbols not with text.
AT
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 01:42:52
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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Best Chess Games, 1970-1980 by Speelman.
wonderful book!
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 00:07:04
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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On 16 Jun 2005 13:11:58 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Is there anything comparable to Tartakower and DuMont's 500 Mastergames
>of Chess that is more modern? If I recall correctly, it was written
>about 1938.
They published a follow-up volume "100 Mastergames of Modern Chess"
which brought it up to the mid-1950s. Only a half-century to go.
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Date: 17 Jun 2005 21:50:23
From: Will Kemp
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Mammoth book of great chess games is probably what you are looking for.
There is a detailed review at chesscafe.com. You will have to dig a little
bit in the archives/book reviews.
Also good is Nunn's "Understanding Chess Move by Move." Not so much an
anthology of modern great games, but does contain excellent analysis of
contemporary games.
Timman's Art of Chess Annotation is even more detailed, and written for a
stronger class of player, than Nunn's book, but it only contains maybe 10 or
so games. I can't remember offhand.
Reshevsky's book Art of Positional Play, or something like that, contains a
lot of post wwII games, but the annotations are not that in-depth.
And of course there is Kasparovs My Great Predecessors. Volumes 3-4 are
from Botvinnik (? not sure about this, maybe Petrosian) to Fischer, with a
lot of extra games by contemporary GMs.
Closest thing I know of to the 500 Games of Chess, though, is the Mammoth
book.
<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there anything comparable to Tartakower and DuMont's 500 Mastergames
> of Chess that is more modern? If I recall correctly, it was written
> about 1938.
>
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 13:18:21
From: David Richerby
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Will Kemp <[email protected] > wrote:
> Timman's Art of Chess Annotation is even more detailed, and written for
> a stronger class of player, than Nunn's book, but it only contains maybe
> 10 or so games. I can't remember offhand.
Twenty-four.
1. Portisch-Smyslov, Portoroz (m3) 1971
2. Polugayevsky-Mecking, del Plata 1971
3. Gligoric-Portisch, Amsterdam 1971
4. Fischer-Larsen, Denver (m1) 1971
5. Taimanov-Stein, Leningrad 1971
6. Fischer-Petrosian, Buenos Aires (m1) 1971
7. Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavic (m4) 1972
8. Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavic (m10) 1972
9. Spassky-Fischer, Reykjavic (m19) 1972
10. Bronstein-Ljubojevic, Petropolis 1973
11. Karpov-Spassky, Leningrad (m9) 1974
12. Korchnoi-Karpov, Moscow (m11) 1974
13. Gulko-Timman, Sombor 1974
14. Gligoric-Portisch, Wijk aan Zee 1975
15. Geller-Spassky, Moscow 1975
16. Ljubojevic-Andersson, Wijk aan Zee 1976
17. Karpov-Timman, Skopje 1976
18. Timman-Karpov, Amsterdam 1976
19. Spassky-Korchnoi, Belgrade (m4) 1977
20. Korchnoi-Karpov, Baguio City (m21) 1978
21. Kasparov-Polugayevsky, Tbilisi 1979
22. Spassky-Timman, Montreal 1979
23. Timman-Tseshkovsky, Bled/Portoroz 1979
24. Karpov-Hort, Waddinxveen 1979
Each game gets, on average, a little over eight pages. I can't comment on
the quality, though -- I bought the book second hand a couple of years ago
and have hardly looked at it.
Dave.
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Date: 18 Jun 2005 22:04:22
From: Will Kemp
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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Wow, I did not remember it having that many. Thanks for posting the
headers -- looking over them, I see quite a few old friends I need to
revisit.
I would also add that depending on one's strength, pre WWII games can be
more instructive than post WWII games. I think it was Shirov who said there
are no rules anymore, only exceptions. John Watson's two recent books on
chess strategy might also support this view.
"David Richerby" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:P5c*[email protected]...
> Will Kemp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Timman's Art of Chess Annotation is even more detailed, and written for
>> a stronger class of player, than Nunn's book, but it only contains maybe
>> 10 or so games. I can't remember offhand.
>
> Twenty-four.
>
> 1. Portisch-Smyslov, Portoroz (m3) 1971
> 2. Polugayevsky-Mecking, del Plata 1971
> 3. Gligoric-Portisch, Amsterdam 1971
> 4. Fischer-Larsen, Denver (m1) 1971
> 5. Taimanov-Stein, Leningrad 1971
> 6. Fischer-Petrosian, Buenos Aires (m1) 1971
> 7. Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavic (m4) 1972
> 8. Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavic (m10) 1972
> 9. Spassky-Fischer, Reykjavic (m19) 1972
> 10. Bronstein-Ljubojevic, Petropolis 1973
> 11. Karpov-Spassky, Leningrad (m9) 1974
> 12. Korchnoi-Karpov, Moscow (m11) 1974
> 13. Gulko-Timman, Sombor 1974
> 14. Gligoric-Portisch, Wijk aan Zee 1975
> 15. Geller-Spassky, Moscow 1975
> 16. Ljubojevic-Andersson, Wijk aan Zee 1976
> 17. Karpov-Timman, Skopje 1976
> 18. Timman-Karpov, Amsterdam 1976
> 19. Spassky-Korchnoi, Belgrade (m4) 1977
> 20. Korchnoi-Karpov, Baguio City (m21) 1978
> 21. Kasparov-Polugayevsky, Tbilisi 1979
> 22. Spassky-Timman, Montreal 1979
> 23. Timman-Tseshkovsky, Bled/Portoroz 1979
> 24. Karpov-Hort, Waddinxveen 1979
>
> Each game gets, on average, a little over eight pages. I can't comment on
> the quality, though -- I bought the book second hand a couple of years ago
> and have hardly looked at it.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> David Richerby Enormous Technicolor Apple
> (TM):
> www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a tasty fruit but
> it's in
> realistic colour and huge!
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Date: 19 Jun 2005 10:01:45
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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Will Kemp <[email protected] > wrote:
> I would also add that depending on one's strength, pre WWII games can be
> more instructive than post WWII games.
That's probably true, yes. More modern games are much more complex so
harder for the average player to learn from, even with good annotations.
Older games are generally simpler and clearer -- the style is much more
direct and it's much easier to work out what's going on. Modern play, on
the other hand, is very often about the accumulation of very small
advantages. This makes it hard for us patzers to understand what's going
on because there's not really an awful lot of difference between one small
advantage and another.
I feel I learnt a lot from going through the single volume version of
Alekhine's best games, for example. Botvinnik's games also seemed to have
great clarity with Kasparov's annotations.
> I think it was Shirov who said there are no rules anymore, only
> exceptions.
Hehe. Fischer's games, I think, form an exception to the `rule' that
pre-WWII games are clearer than more recent games. From going through a
little of `My 60 Memorable Games', every move (at least when it's
explained) seems to be so obvious that you can't imagine why you thought
of playing anything else.
Dave.
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Date: 17 Jun 2005 16:01:06
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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The idiot Johnson wrote:
>Not necessarily.
Boy, you really are dumb, aren't you? Clearly it's *possible* for a
game collection covering the dates 1939-45 to have been published
during WWII, but my having indicated that this one wasn't might have
given you a clue that this one wasn't.
Shame it didn't. I wonder why not...?
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Date: 17 Jun 2005 11:18:01
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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Thank you. Evidently, Mr. Harris has posted a link to it.
k Houlsby
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 21:47:11
From: Lee Harris
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there anything comparable to Tartakower and DuMont's 500 Mastergames
> of Chess that is more modern? If I recall correctly, it was written
> about 1938.
>
These looks interesting
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904600328/ref=ord_cart_shr/026-3933956-9114862?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841199052/ref=ord_cart_shr/026-3933956-9114862?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1580421466/ref=ord_cart_shr/026-3933956-9114862?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 14:14:14
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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A book which almost fills that description is "The Mammoth Book of The
World's Greatest Chess Games", by Burgess, Nunn and Emms, published by
Robinson. It begins with McDonnell-Labourdonnais (16), 1834. Roughly
one third of the games were played before 1945. The latest game in the
book (there are 100) is Anand-Lautier, Biel 1997.
There's also Kasparov's "My Great Predecessors" volumes II, III, and
IV, which are thoroughly readable (notwithstanding a few typos) and
strongly recommended. There are to be more books in that series before
we get up-to-date, however.
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Date: 17 Jun 2005 10:36:32
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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In article
<<[email protected] >,> k
Houlsby ([email protected]) says...
> A book which almost fills that description is "The Mammoth Book of The
> World's Greatest Chess Games", by Burgess, Nunn and Emms, published by
> Robinson. It begins with McDonnell-Labourdonnais (16), 1834. Roughly
> one third of the games were played before 1945. The latest game in the
> book (there are 100) is Anand-Lautier, Biel 1997.
There is a second edition out, with some more up-to-date games
(but still the 100 previously mentioned, iirc).
--
Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
Currently in Caernarfon, Wales
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 13:55:59
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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Clearly, if the period it covered ended in 1945, it was *published*
post-WWII.
DUH!
k Houlsby
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Date: 17 Jun 2005 16:30:37
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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On 2005-06-16, k Houlsby wrote:
> Clearly, if the period it covered ended in 1945, it was *published*
> post-WWII.
Not necessarily. I remember several books published in 1972
covering the world championship match of the same year. IIRC, the
first was out within two or three weeks of the end of the match.
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 13:55:15
From:
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Maybe I should be more clear. Basically I am looking for a nice,
chunky volume with the major highlights of the last 65 years with nice,
but not necessarily obsessive, annotation- basically to pick up where
Tartakower left off and bring things current.
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 13:16:05
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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In terms of quantity, I'm not sure. In terms of quality, there's "107
Great Chess Battles 1939-1945" by Alekhine.
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Date: 16 Jun 2005 16:34:11
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: best post WWII game anthology
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On 2005-06-16, k Houlsby wrote:
> In terms of quantity, I'm not sure. In terms of quality, there's "107
> Great Chess Battles 1939-1945" by Alekhine.
What part of "post WWII" did you not understand?
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