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Date: 09 Nov 2004 04:57:19
From: Ivan
Subject: e4 of d4?
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Which is better?
Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
closed positions on the first move?
Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
Why did he change?
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Date: 12 Nov 2004 07:28:55
From: mikimaus
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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1. d4 is the best, that though does not mean one should play it. 1. e4 is
generally more interesting.
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Date: 10 Nov 2004 18:31:51
From: bruno de baenst
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
"Ivan" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> Which is better?
>
> Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
> closed positions on the first move?
> Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
>
> Why did he change?
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Date: 10 Nov 2004 16:11:10
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"bruno de baenst" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
>
Proof?
--Harold Buck
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and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
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Date: 10 Nov 2004 21:52:40
From: bruno de baenst
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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"Harold Buck" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
> >
>
>
> Proof?
>
> --Harold Buck
draw gin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
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Date: 10 Nov 2004 18:50:05
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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In article <[email protected] >,
"bruno de baenst" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
>
> "Harold Buck" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
> > >
> >
> >
> > Proof?
> >
> > --Harold Buck
>
> draw gin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
>
You obviously have no understanding of the meaning of the word "proof."
What you mention are all suggestive, but by no means prove that the game
is a draw with perfect play.
In fact, if black plays perfect and white blunders, why do you think the
result will be a draw?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 11 Nov 2004 11:35:08
From: bruno de baenst
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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"Harold Buck" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Harold Buck" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays
white)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Proof?
> > >
> > > --Harold Buck
> >
> > draw gin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
> >
>
>
> You obviously have no understanding of the meaning of the word "proof."
> What you mention are all suggestive, but by no means prove that the game
> is a draw with perfect play.
>
> In fact, if black plays perfect and white blunders, why do you think the
> result will be a draw?
>
> --Harold Buck
1) Ok, you can't prove it (not with current technology anyway) but you can
assume it is true due to draw gin , common sense, opinions of all chess
greats, ... .
2) If white makes a big blunder then he loses , but as you already knew I
assumed white also plays perfect.
3) You sure like to nitpick.
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Date: 11 Nov 2004 07:45:23
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:35:08 GMT, "bruno de baenst"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>> What you mention are all suggestive, but by no means prove that the game
>> is a draw with perfect play.
>1) Ok, you can't prove it (not with current technology anyway) but you can
>assume it is true due to draw gin , common sense, opinions of all chess
>greats, ... .
Good sumy of where things stand at present.
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Date: 11 Nov 2004 09:19:02
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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Harold Buck <[email protected] > wrote:
> "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Harold Buck" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "bruno de baenst" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
>>>
>>> Proof?
>>
>> draw gin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
>
> You obviously have no understanding of the meaning of the word "proof."
I'd read Bruno's post as, `I don't have a proof but most people who have
thought seriously about the matter believe it's true.'
Dave.
--
David Richerby Mouldy Unholy Boss (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ middle manager but it's also a crime
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Date: 10 Nov 2004 09:46:42
From: Luigi Caselli
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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"Ivan" <[email protected] > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
> Which is better?
>
> Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
> closed positions on the first move?
> Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
> Why did he change?
Kramnik changed because he was bored of playing always the same openings...
1.e4 is the best move because, with a tempo up, it's better to play open
position.
1.d4 is the best move because the pawn is already defended.
So both are the best moves.
Hope this helps...
Luigi Caselli
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Date: 09 Nov 2004 10:34:50
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: e4 of d4?
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On 9 Nov 2004 04:57:19 -0800, [email protected] (Ivan) wrote:
To answer the trolls question is very simple. 1. Nf3 on the first
move will solve all your frigging problems.
EZoto
>Which is better?
>
>Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
>closed positions on the first move?
>Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
>
>Why did he change?
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