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Date: 15 Oct 2008 18:53:08
From: Michael Diosi
Subject: CrapBase server
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Dar Chesslovers,
The CrapBase server can't cope with "too many users". The reliable software
doesn't work. What a crap...
Michael
Web: http://www.playwitharena.com
Mind the Base. Join the Arena
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Date: 18 Oct 2008 00:58:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Or Play at GetClub Chess.
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> The CrapBase server can't cope with "too many users". The reliable software
> doesn't work. What a crap...
You have another Choice to play at GetClub Chess.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 16 Oct 2008 02:15:58
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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* vmartell <[email protected] > (23:34) schrieb:
> First of all, I would like to say, I love Arena - right at the
> beginning, when I was looking for some free software to dip my toes
> into computer chess, I found Arena - great stuff! Really; the
> combination of Crafty and/or Fruit and Arena is a great thing --- This
> is world class level chess software for free. For that I am grateful
> to Michael and the other authors.
Yeah, free as in free beer. Drink it or get lost.
mfg, simon .... l
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Date: 15 Oct 2008 14:34:15
From: vmartell
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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On Oct 15, 9:53=A0am, "Michael Diosi" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Dar Chesslovers,
>
> The CrapBase server can't cope with "too many users". The reliable softwa=
re
> doesn't work. What a crap...
>
> Michael
> Web:http://www.playwitharena.com
> Mind the Base. Join the Arena
Hello
I have seen messages from Michael pointing out failings off the
Chessbase server.
First of all, I would like to say, I love Arena - right at the
beginning, when I was looking for some free software to dip my toes
into computer chess, I found Arena - great stuff! Really; the
combination of Crafty and/or Fruit and Arena is a great thing --- This
is world class level chess software for free. For that I am grateful
to Michael and the other authors.
That said... I went ahead and got Fritz 11 very recently and I have
been very happy with it... both Fritz and the server...
I have to ask...
1) While I understand that a case could be made for Chessbase as a
competitor to Arena, well, really? Let's see
a) Chessbase as a chess server - this is the more tenuous... if
anything, it should be ICC and/or FICS the ones posting this
messages... the Arena software I used (the 1.99 betas) don't support
any of the servers... so, why?
b) Chessbase as a chess software company - well, this is pretty
obvious... I agree that many people will spend money for Chessbase
products when in fact, Arena + some of the stronger free engines could
do perfectly fine... Additionally, Michael could have an issue with
Chessbase's propietary format (which is neither UCI or Winboard) which
I understand keeps Fritz from working with Arena...
I think in both cases a better strategy is to open a formal problem
record with Chessbases support... maybe even a petition should do and
the notifying Chessbase of the support the petition generated. But I
still wonder how posting to this group would address the issues.
Just my humble opinion - I could be wrong, it's been known to happen.
Thnx!
V
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Date: 16 Oct 2008 09:16:34
From: Michael Diosi
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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Hello,
I am pointing them out because custemers should be informed what they buy.
At least now they can't come back and say they didn't know.
It is your money :) You can buy what you want. ChessBase thinks the engine
protocol doen't work in Arena. Are they right ? What do you think ? Are we
going to make it public ? No. Did we get any donnations ? Yes. A few. Not
enough to make it public. But we don't work on Arena to take your money and
then say "F... off" like ChessBase does. We are different ! We make it for
fun !
Sorry I don't write anything to a company who has stolen my life-time
account and is accusing users of cheating based on a "reliable" piece of
software. As one of their sysops states in his profile, "if a decision is
final, then it is final" .You can see that their software is NOT reliable.
Michael
Web: http://www.playwitharena.com
Mind the Base. Join the Arena
"vmartell" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:82ac8663-f184-4db3-b82e-f832c2169277@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 15, 9:53 am, "Michael Diosi" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Dar Chesslovers,
>
> The CrapBase server can't cope with "too many users". The reliable
> software
> doesn't work. What a crap...
>
> Michael
> Web:http://www.playwitharena.com
> Mind the Base. Join the Arena
Hello
I have seen messages from Michael pointing out failings off the
Chessbase server.
First of all, I would like to say, I love Arena - right at the
beginning, when I was looking for some free software to dip my toes
into computer chess, I found Arena - great stuff! Really; the
combination of Crafty and/or Fruit and Arena is a great thing --- This
is world class level chess software for free. For that I am grateful
to Michael and the other authors.
That said... I went ahead and got Fritz 11 very recently and I have
been very happy with it... both Fritz and the server...
I have to ask...
1) While I understand that a case could be made for Chessbase as a
competitor to Arena, well, really? Let's see
a) Chessbase as a chess server - this is the more tenuous... if
anything, it should be ICC and/or FICS the ones posting this
messages... the Arena software I used (the 1.99 betas) don't support
any of the servers... so, why?
b) Chessbase as a chess software company - well, this is pretty
obvious... I agree that many people will spend money for Chessbase
products when in fact, Arena + some of the stronger free engines could
do perfectly fine... Additionally, Michael could have an issue with
Chessbase's propietary format (which is neither UCI or Winboard) which
I understand keeps Fritz from working with Arena...
I think in both cases a better strategy is to open a formal problem
record with Chessbases support... maybe even a petition should do and
the notifying Chessbase of the support the petition generated. But I
still wonder how posting to this group would address the issues.
Just my humble opinion - I could be wrong, it's been known to happen.
Thnx!
V
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Date: 15 Oct 2008 19:17:30
From: Michael Diosi
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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Hello Chesslovers,
6000 users is too much for them. They should try ICC and FICS :)
Michael
Web: http://www.playwitharena.com
Mind the Base. Join the Arena
"Michael Diosi" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
> Dar Chesslovers,
>
>
> The CrapBase server can't cope with "too many users". The reliable
> software doesn't work. What a crap...
>
>
> Michael
> Web: http://www.playwitharena.com
> Mind the Base. Join the Arena
>
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Date: 15 Oct 2008 19:22:15
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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Michael Diosi <[email protected] > wrote:
> 6000 users is too much for [ChessBase]. They should try ICC and FICS :)
BZZZZZT! The `uptime' command on FICS reports that their server is
configured for a maximum of 3990 ordinary users plus ten admins.
Nice try, Michael, but no cigar.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Accelerated Revolting Tongs (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a pair of tongs but it'll turn
your stomach and it's twice as fast!
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Date: 16 Oct 2008 09:08:16
From: Michael Diosi
Subject: Re: CrapBase server
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Hello David and other chesslovers,
I think you just pointed out the difference. They SAY it and do not pretend
anything. They are FREE. I can assure you that even donations which will not
reach the amount of money ChessBase reaches will make it miles better than
ChessBase.
Oter paying servers like WoW supports 50.000 users and more without
crashing. If a comapny is prepared to take money from the customers it
should be prepared to resolve bugs without kicking users who mention them
from the server and add resonable server support.
I am a nonsmoker anyway. I don't want to become as mad as a certain
incompetent ChessBase sysop (he is very famous), do I ? :)
Michael
http://www.playwitharena.com
Mind the Base. Join the Arena
"David Richerby" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:l0z*[email protected]...
> Michael Diosi <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 6000 users is too much for [ChessBase]. They should try ICC and FICS :)
>
> BZZZZZT! The `uptime' command on FICS reports that their server is
> configured for a maximum of 3990 ordinary users plus ten admins.
>
> Nice try, Michael, but no cigar.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> David Richerby Accelerated Revolting Tongs (TM):
> it's
> www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a pair of tongs but it'll
> turn
> your stomach and it's twice as
> fast!
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