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Date: 12 May 2007 05:01:17
From: [email protected]
Subject: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
...world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik, succumbed (2:4) to the
artificially intelligent Deep Fritz late last year. Vladimir
represented the most brilliant chess fighter humanity had to offer for
the six-round cerebral duel against what he described as a
"calculating monster." Running on a standard laptop, Deep Fritz used
raw processing power and clever exploration of possible future moves
to eventually thrash Vladimir, and with him, humanity.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4211938.html
http://www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp?pid=304





 
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version


 
Date: 14 May 2007 13:53:31
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
Grandmasters are crushed by computers:
http://www.slate.com/id/2166000



 
Date: 14 May 2007 19:40:23
From: Simon Waters
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
On Mon, 14 May 2007 00:25:32 +0100, David Richerby wrote:

> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Why people study human games any more, with their continual
>> inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me.
>
> 1) Because you can ask the player *why* he played a particular move.
> 2) Because mistakes can be instructive.

3) There are plenty of interesting positions where the best humans still
make better choices than the best machines.


 
Date: 14 May 2007 03:04:01
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version



[email protected] wrote:

>That humans can no longer compete with advantages or on even terms
>with the latest computers and chess software is redundantly proven,
>unless you give the human advantages or disadvantage the computer.
>Why people study human games any more, with their continual
>inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. Computers aren't
>perfect yet by any means but the best rigs are now playing 300 ELO
>better than the #1-ranked player.
>
>The point of my earlier message was to convey the fact that Fritz is
>well down the rankings and by no means the strongest or even the
>second or third-strongest chess engine, regardless of its popularity.
>If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all
>the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a
>humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches,
>which are really just keting and publicity-related events.

Agree on the relative strength, disagree on the killing of interest.
The invention of the automobile didn't kill horse racing, nor did
the hydraulic jack kill weightlifting.

Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/ >



  
Date: 14 May 2007 08:31:41
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
14.05.2007 05:04, Guy Macon:
> [email protected] wrote:

>> If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all
>> the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a
>> humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches,
>> which are really just keting and publicity-related events.
>
> Agree on the relative strength, disagree on the killing of interest.
> The invention of the automobile didn't kill horse racing, nor did
> the hydraulic jack kill weightlifting.

I didn't notice a lot of horse vs. car racings and weightlifter
competing with hydraulic jacks lately.

Greetings,
Ralf


 
Date: 13 May 2007 11:32:44
From:
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
That humans can no longer compete with advantages or on even terms
with the latest computers and chess software is redundantly proven,
unless you give the human advantages or disadvantage the computer.
Why people study human games any more, with their continual
inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. Computers aren't
perfect yet by any means but the best rigs are now playing 300 ELO
better than the #1-ranked player.

The point of my earlier message was to convey the fact that Fritz is
well down the rankings and by no means the strongest or even the
second or third-strongest chess engine, regardless of its popularity.
If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all
the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a
humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches,
which are really just keting and publicity-related events.




  
Date: 14 May 2007 00:25:32
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Why people study human games any more, with their continual
> inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me.

1) Because you can ask the player *why* he played a particular move.
2) Because mistakes can be instructive.


Dave.

--
David Richerby Erotic Painting (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ Renaissance masterpiece but it's
genuinely erotic!


  
Date: 14 May 2007 01:07:03
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
13.05.2007 20:32, [email protected]:

> Why people study human games any more, with their continual
> inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me.

Why do people watch sprinters at the Olympics, when each cheetah, horse
or antilope from the nearest zoo could easily outrun even the fastest
men on the planet?

But besides the simple interest in competition it might also more usable
to study games by humans when trying to learn from this. As a human you
have to rely on other things than pure calculation to find out how to
evaluate a position and what to play. This you can better learn from
other humans than from programs. Many moves a program makes are based on
things way beyond anything a human can achieve. So, their games might
not be usable as an example of how to play.

Greetings,
Ralf


 
Date: 13 May 2007 06:19:39
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
On May 13, 2:49 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> It's pretty unanimous, wouldn't you say?

Since January 2007 Kramnik has been rated 2766 in the FIDE Elo rating
list. Why would anyone enjoy watching Kramnik play chess? It would be
as entertaining as watching him wrestling a bulldozer in a sumo match.



 
Date: 13 May 2007 05:49:11
From:
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
Yep, it really fires the imagination, doesn't it? But then you ought
to look at these and see where Fritz ranks:

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/
http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_BestVersion/rangliste.html
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20BestVersion/rangliste.html
http://www.geocities.com/sedatchess/SCCT_all.html
http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/list.htm

It's pretty unanimous, wouldn't you say?



 
Date: 12 May 2007 06:50:13
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
Play it vs Rybka in a hour time control game.