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Date: 12 May 2007 05:01:17
From: [email protected]
Subject: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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...world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik, succumbed (2:4) to the artificially intelligent Deep Fritz late last year. Vladimir represented the most brilliant chess fighter humanity had to offer for the six-round cerebral duel against what he described as a "calculating monster." Running on a standard laptop, Deep Fritz used raw processing power and clever exploration of possible future moves to eventually thrash Vladimir, and with him, humanity. http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4211938.html http://www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp?pid=304
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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Date: 14 May 2007 13:53:31
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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Grandmasters are crushed by computers: http://www.slate.com/id/2166000
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Date: 14 May 2007 19:40:23
From: Simon Waters
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 00:25:32 +0100, David Richerby wrote: > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Why people study human games any more, with their continual >> inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. > > 1) Because you can ask the player *why* he played a particular move. > 2) Because mistakes can be instructive. 3) There are plenty of interesting positions where the best humans still make better choices than the best machines.
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Date: 14 May 2007 03:04:01
From: Guy Macon
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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[email protected] wrote: >That humans can no longer compete with advantages or on even terms >with the latest computers and chess software is redundantly proven, >unless you give the human advantages or disadvantage the computer. >Why people study human games any more, with their continual >inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. Computers aren't >perfect yet by any means but the best rigs are now playing 300 ELO >better than the #1-ranked player. > >The point of my earlier message was to convey the fact that Fritz is >well down the rankings and by no means the strongest or even the >second or third-strongest chess engine, regardless of its popularity. >If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all >the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a >humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches, >which are really just keting and publicity-related events. Agree on the relative strength, disagree on the killing of interest. The invention of the automobile didn't kill horse racing, nor did the hydraulic jack kill weightlifting. Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/ >
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Date: 14 May 2007 08:31:41
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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14.05.2007 05:04, Guy Macon: > [email protected] wrote: >> If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all >> the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a >> humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches, >> which are really just keting and publicity-related events. > > Agree on the relative strength, disagree on the killing of interest. > The invention of the automobile didn't kill horse racing, nor did > the hydraulic jack kill weightlifting. I didn't notice a lot of horse vs. car racings and weightlifter competing with hydraulic jacks lately. Greetings, Ralf
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Date: 13 May 2007 11:32:44
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Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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That humans can no longer compete with advantages or on even terms with the latest computers and chess software is redundantly proven, unless you give the human advantages or disadvantage the computer. Why people study human games any more, with their continual inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. Computers aren't perfect yet by any means but the best rigs are now playing 300 ELO better than the #1-ranked player. The point of my earlier message was to convey the fact that Fritz is well down the rankings and by no means the strongest or even the second or third-strongest chess engine, regardless of its popularity. If Kramnik had played the latest Rybka on a strong machine without all the handicaps they gave Fritz the match might well have been a humiliating shutout, which would kill interest in man-machine matches, which are really just keting and publicity-related events.
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Date: 14 May 2007 00:25:32
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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<[email protected] > wrote: > Why people study human games any more, with their continual > inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. 1) Because you can ask the player *why* he played a particular move. 2) Because mistakes can be instructive. Dave. -- David Richerby Erotic Painting (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ Renaissance masterpiece but it's genuinely erotic!
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Date: 14 May 2007 01:07:03
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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13.05.2007 20:32, [email protected]: > Why people study human games any more, with their continual > inaccuracies and frequent blunders, is beyond me. Why do people watch sprinters at the Olympics, when each cheetah, horse or antilope from the nearest zoo could easily outrun even the fastest men on the planet? But besides the simple interest in competition it might also more usable to study games by humans when trying to learn from this. As a human you have to rely on other things than pure calculation to find out how to evaluate a position and what to play. This you can better learn from other humans than from programs. Many moves a program makes are based on things way beyond anything a human can achieve. So, their games might not be usable as an example of how to play. Greetings, Ralf
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Date: 13 May 2007 06:19:39
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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On May 13, 2:49 pm, [email protected] wrote: > It's pretty unanimous, wouldn't you say? Since January 2007 Kramnik has been rated 2766 in the FIDE Elo rating list. Why would anyone enjoy watching Kramnik play chess? It would be as entertaining as watching him wrestling a bulldozer in a sumo match.
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Date: 13 May 2007 05:49:11
From:
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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Yep, it really fires the imagination, doesn't it? But then you ought to look at these and see where Fritz ranks: http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/ http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/ http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_BestVersion/rangliste.html http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20BestVersion/rangliste.html http://www.geocities.com/sedatchess/SCCT_all.html http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/list.htm It's pretty unanimous, wouldn't you say?
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Date: 12 May 2007 06:50:13
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Deep Fritz 10 - Multiprocessor Version
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Play it vs Rybka in a hour time control game.
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