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Date: 25 Jan 2009 22:24:43
From: Sanny
Subject: Game with Rybka
Here is a short game (46 moves) game between GetClub and Rybka.

GetClub was playing white as Beginner Level (10 sec / move). While
Rybka was thinking 5-10 sec / move. Both GetClub and Rybka were taking
equal time.

Game started well, on 12th move Rybka captured a pawn.

On 23rd move Rybka trapped the Beginner Levels Knight.

On 24th move Rybka took another pawn.

On 42nd move Rybka got a queen

On 46th move the GetClub Resigned.

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com

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Rybka: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM38983&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(beginner) -- (Rybka)

1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{80}
2. d2-d4{0} Ng8-f6{14}
3. Nb1-c3{0} g7-g6{12}
4. Bf1-c4{0} Nb8-c6{18}
5. Ng1-f3{20} Nf6-e4{28}
6. Nc3-e4{18} d6-d5{20}
7. Bc4-d5{6} Qd8-d5{22}
8. Ne4-c3{0} Qd5-a5{16}
9. d4-d5{6} Nc6-b4{24}
10. Ke1-g1{122} Bf8-g7{22}
11. Nc3-e4{6} Bc8-f5{16}
12. Nf3-d2{122} Qa5-d5{14}
13. c2-c4{28} Qd5-c6{12}
14. Ne4-g5{22} Ra8-d8{18}
15. Qd1-b3{6} Nb4-c2{30}
16. Ra1-b1{34} Nc2-d4{14}
17. Qb3-b4{6} Bg7-f6{16}
18. f2-f4{8} Ke8-g8{16}
19. a2-a3{46} Nd4-e2{16}
20. Kg1-h1{6} a7-a5{12}
21. Qb4-b3{12} Ne2-c1{26}
22. Rb1-c1{26} Rd8-d2{18}
23. Ng5-f3{6} Rd2-b2{28}
24. Qb3-d1{18} Qc6-e4{18}
25. Nf3-e1{22} Rb2-a2{18}
26. Qd1-b3{6} Qe4-e2{28}
27. Qb3-f3{8} Bf5-g4{28}
28. Qf3-d3{8} Qe2-d3{14}
29. Ne1-d3{10} Bg4-e2{26}
30. Rf1-f2{0} Bf6-d4{32}
31. Rf2-e2{10} Ra2-e2{28}
32. Rc1-b1{20} Re2-a2{18}
33. g2-g4{16} Ra2-a3{16}
34. Nd3-e1{16} Ra3-a1{14}
35. Rb1-a1{12} Bd4-a1{10}
36. Kh1-g2{6} a5-a4{22}
37. Kg2-g3{14} a4-a3{26}
38. Ne1-c2{20} Ba1-b2{12}
39. Nc2-b4{12} c7-c5{12}
40. Nb4-d5{44} a3-a2{28}
41. Nd5-e7{8} Kg8-g7{20}
42. Ne7-d5{12} Qa2-a1{Q}{16}
43. g4-g5{32} Qa1-e1{24}
44. Kg3-g2{10} Rf8-a8{14}
45. f4-f5{6} Qe1-e2{18}
46. Kg2-g3{2}
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Rybka: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM38983&game=Chess

What do you think about the game. Was Beginner playing well or it was
still soing wrong moves?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:34:42
From:
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 27, 4:24=A0pm, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:30:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kings...@comcast.net
> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 10:50=A0am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:
> > > As I said, you have to select a fixed-width font for diagrams to
> > > display properly. =A0I always use Courier New for just that reason
> > > (plus, at my age narrow letters tend to run together in sans-serif,
> > > proportional fonts such as Ariel.
>
> > =A0 Even with a fixed-width font, I've never been able to do much with =
a
> > diagram that uses letters. Gotta see the figurines.
>
> Oh, dear. =A0I can't help you there. =A0For some reason, those characters
> aren't on my keyboard. =A0Sorry.

Of course you can't. :-) That's why I constructed your diagram on
Fritz. You can get fonts for chess diagrams and figurine notation, and
they work beautifully in, say, MS Word, but they don't show properly
online unless it's a specially formatted HTML page, as far as I know.
On newsgroups like this, all we have is plain text.


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:30:35
From:
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 27, 10:50=A0am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:07:47 -0800 (PST), taylor.kings...@comcast.net
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 8:22=A0pm, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:26:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kings...@comcast.net
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 26, 9:04=A0am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com> w=
rote:
> > > > > I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black an=
d the
> > > > > one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> > > > > correct solution.
>
> > > > =A0 I agree. With a black rook on h1 and white on e4, it's mate in =
one.
> > > > Reverse them, and Lyman's solution is correct. Of course, Lyman's
> > > > method wins in either case.
> > > > =A0 BTW Bill, when a chess diagram is written out the way you did, =
it's
> > > > traditional for the white pieces to be capitalized, and the black i=
n
> > > > lower case. There are also two easier ways to give a position in a
> > > > shorthand manner.
>
> > > Darn! =A0With just two choices, I got the wrong one. =A0I hope I didn=
't
> > > confuse anyone. =A0I haven't followed these newsgroups before, so I h=
ad
> > > to make up my own method of illustrating the board.
>
> > > > =A0 One is Forsyth notation, in which your position would be
> > > > 8/5pk1/6p1/8/3PR3/2q5/5PP1/2RKN2r B. The numbers represent empty
> > > > squares. The notation starts at the upper left corner of the diagra=
m
> > > > (the square a8), and moves left to right, then down to the next ran=
k,
> > > > and so forth. Each new rank is indicated by "/". So this translates
> > > > out to "8 empty squares/5 empty squares, black pawn, black king, 1
> > > > empty square" etc. The "B" at the end indicates it's Black's move.
> > > > =A0 The other method is to give the algebraic coordinates for each
> > > > piece. Your position would be
>
> > > > =A0 W: Kd1, Rc1, Re4, Ne1, d4, f2, g2
> > > > =A0 B: Kg7, Qc3, Rh1, f7, g6
>
> > > > =A0 The pieces are traditionally listed in the order K, Q, R, B, N,=
and
> > > > pawns are designated only by their squares, going from left to righ=
t.
> > > > This method is probably more widely understood today than is Forsyt=
h
> > > > notation.
>
> > > Either of those is much better for listing a position in text, but
> > > isn't good for visualization. =A0I assume a reader would put pieces o=
n a
> > > board to visualize it.
>
> > =A0 A good point. Probably most folks here would just set up the
> > position on Fritz or some such chess-playing software; at least that's
> > what I did. For that purpose the second method I showed is probably
> > best. I don't know how it is for others, but on my screen,
> > representations of diagrams don't look very intelligible.
>
> As I said, you have to select a fixed-width font for diagrams to
> display properly. =A0I always use Courier New for just that reason
> (plus, at my age narrow letters tend to run together in sans-serif,
> proportional fonts such as Ariel.

Even with a fixed-width font, I've never been able to do much with a
diagram that uses letters. Gotta see the figurines.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 16:24:45
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:30:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kingston@comcast.net
wrote:

> On Jan 27, 10:50 am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:

> > As I said, you have to select a fixed-width font for diagrams to
> > display properly.  I always use Courier New for just that reason
> > (plus, at my age narrow letters tend to run together in sans-serif,
> > proportional fonts such as Ariel.
>
> Even with a fixed-width font, I've never been able to do much with a
> diagram that uses letters. Gotta see the figurines.

Oh, dear. I can't help you there. For some reason, those characters
aren't on my keyboard. Sorry.

Bill

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:07:47
From:
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 26, 8:22=A0pm, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:26:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kings...@comcast.net
> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 26, 9:04=A0am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > > I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and th=
e
> > > one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> > > correct solution.
>
> > =A0 I agree. With a black rook on h1 and white on e4, it's mate in one.
> > Reverse them, and Lyman's solution is correct. Of course, Lyman's
> > method wins in either case.
> > =A0 BTW Bill, when a chess diagram is written out the way you did, it's
> > traditional for the white pieces to be capitalized, and the black in
> > lower case. There are also two easier ways to give a position in a
> > shorthand manner.
>
> Darn! =A0With just two choices, I got the wrong one. =A0I hope I didn't
> confuse anyone. =A0I haven't followed these newsgroups before, so I had
> to make up my own method of illustrating the board.
>
>
>
>
>
> > =A0 One is Forsyth notation, in which your position would be
> > 8/5pk1/6p1/8/3PR3/2q5/5PP1/2RKN2r B. The numbers represent empty
> > squares. The notation starts at the upper left corner of the diagram
> > (the square a8), and moves left to right, then down to the next rank,
> > and so forth. Each new rank is indicated by "/". So this translates
> > out to "8 empty squares/5 empty squares, black pawn, black king, 1
> > empty square" etc. The "B" at the end indicates it's Black's move.
> > =A0 The other method is to give the algebraic coordinates for each
> > piece. Your position would be
>
> > =A0 W: Kd1, Rc1, Re4, Ne1, d4, f2, g2
> > =A0 B: Kg7, Qc3, Rh1, f7, g6
>
> > =A0 The pieces are traditionally listed in the order K, Q, R, B, N, and
> > pawns are designated only by their squares, going from left to right.
> > This method is probably more widely understood today than is Forsyth
> > notation.
>
> Either of those is much better for listing a position in text, but
> isn't good for visualization. =A0I assume a reader would put pieces on a
> board to visualize it.

A good point. Probably most folks here would just set up the
position on Fritz or some such chess-playing software; at least that's
what I did. For that purpose the second method I showed is probably
best. I don't know how it is for others, but on my screen,
representations of diagrams don't look very intelligible.



  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:50:31
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:07:47 -0800 (PST), taylor.kingston@comcast.net
wrote:

> On Jan 26, 8:22 pm, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:26:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kings...@comcast.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 26, 9:04 am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and the
> > > > one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> > > > correct solution.
> >
> > >   I agree. With a black rook on h1 and white on e4, it's mate in one.
> > > Reverse them, and Lyman's solution is correct. Of course, Lyman's
> > > method wins in either case.
> > >   BTW Bill, when a chess diagram is written out the way you did, it's
> > > traditional for the white pieces to be capitalized, and the black in
> > > lower case. There are also two easier ways to give a position in a
> > > shorthand manner.
> >
> > Darn!  With just two choices, I got the wrong one.  I hope I didn't
> > confuse anyone.  I haven't followed these newsgroups before, so I had
> > to make up my own method of illustrating the board.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >   One is Forsyth notation, in which your position would be
> > > 8/5pk1/6p1/8/3PR3/2q5/5PP1/2RKN2r B. The numbers represent empty
> > > squares. The notation starts at the upper left corner of the diagram
> > > (the square a8), and moves left to right, then down to the next rank,
> > > and so forth. Each new rank is indicated by "/". So this translates
> > > out to "8 empty squares/5 empty squares, black pawn, black king, 1
> > > empty square" etc. The "B" at the end indicates it's Black's move.
> > >   The other method is to give the algebraic coordinates for each
> > > piece. Your position would be
> >
> > >   W: Kd1, Rc1, Re4, Ne1, d4, f2, g2
> > >   B: Kg7, Qc3, Rh1, f7, g6
> >
> > >   The pieces are traditionally listed in the order K, Q, R, B, N, and
> > > pawns are designated only by their squares, going from left to right.
> > > This method is probably more widely understood today than is Forsyth
> > > notation.
> >
> > Either of those is much better for listing a position in text, but
> > isn't good for visualization.  I assume a reader would put pieces on a
> > board to visualize it.
>
> A good point. Probably most folks here would just set up the
> position on Fritz or some such chess-playing software; at least that's
> what I did. For that purpose the second method I showed is probably
> best. I don't know how it is for others, but on my screen,
> representations of diagrams don't look very intelligible.

As I said, you have to select a fixed-width font for diagrams to
display properly. I always use Courier New for just that reason
(plus, at my age narrow letters tend to run together in sans-serif,
proportional fonts such as Ariel.

Bill

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Date: 26 Jan 2009 07:26:35
From:
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 26, 9:04=A0am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and the
> one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> correct solution.

I agree. With a black rook on h1 and white on e4, it's mate in one.
Reverse them, and Lyman's solution is correct. Of course, Lyman's
method wins in either case.
BTW Bill, when a chess diagram is written out the way you did, it's
traditional for the white pieces to be capitalized, and the black in
lower case. There are also two easier ways to give a position in a
shorthand manner.
One is Forsyth notation, in which your position would be
8/5pk1/6p1/8/3PR3/2q5/5PP1/2RKN2r B. The numbers represent empty
squares. The notation starts at the upper left corner of the diagram
(the square a8), and moves left to right, then down to the next rank,
and so forth. Each new rank is indicated by "/". So this translates
out to "8 empty squares/5 empty squares, black pawn, black king, 1
empty square" etc. The "B" at the end indicates it's Black's move.
The other method is to give the algebraic coordinates for each
piece. Your position would be

W: Kd1, Rc1, Re4, Ne1, d4, f2, g2
B: Kg7, Qc3, Rh1, f7, g6

The pieces are traditionally listed in the order K, Q, R, B, N, and
pawns are designated only by their squares, going from left to right.
This method is probably more widely understood today than is Forsyth
notation.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 20:22:37
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:26:35 -0800 (PST), taylor.kingston@comcast.net
wrote:

> On Jan 26, 9:04 am, "Jon D'Souza-Eva" <jon.dsouza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and the
> > one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> > correct solution.
>
> I agree. With a black rook on h1 and white on e4, it's mate in one.
> Reverse them, and Lyman's solution is correct. Of course, Lyman's
> method wins in either case.
> BTW Bill, when a chess diagram is written out the way you did, it's
> traditional for the white pieces to be capitalized, and the black in
> lower case. There are also two easier ways to give a position in a
> shorthand manner.

Darn! With just two choices, I got the wrong one. I hope I didn't
confuse anyone. I haven't followed these newsgroups before, so I had
to make up my own method of illustrating the board.

> One is Forsyth notation, in which your position would be
> 8/5pk1/6p1/8/3PR3/2q5/5PP1/2RKN2r B. The numbers represent empty
> squares. The notation starts at the upper left corner of the diagram
> (the square a8), and moves left to right, then down to the next rank,
> and so forth. Each new rank is indicated by "/". So this translates
> out to "8 empty squares/5 empty squares, black pawn, black king, 1
> empty square" etc. The "B" at the end indicates it's Black's move.
> The other method is to give the algebraic coordinates for each
> piece. Your position would be
>
> W: Kd1, Rc1, Re4, Ne1, d4, f2, g2
> B: Kg7, Qc3, Rh1, f7, g6
>
> The pieces are traditionally listed in the order K, Q, R, B, N, and
> pawns are designated only by their squares, going from left to right.
> This method is probably more widely understood today than is Forsyth
> notation.

Either of those is much better for listing a position in text, but
isn't good for visualization. I assume a reader would put pieces on a
board to visualize it.

Thanks to all for your answers.

Bill








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Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:30:49
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 26, 9:22=A0am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 26, 8:54=A0am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm a relative beginner at chess. =A0Our local paper carries Shelby
> > Lyman's Chess column on Sunday, and I try to solve his "Beginner's
> > Corner" problem.
>
> Where is your local newspaper and Shelby Lyman's column published?
>
> I mention Shelby Lyman and his TV Show several times in my reprint of
> the book "Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World" which is now
> available at Barnes and Noble and on Amazon.
>
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=3D0923891=
412
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412
>
> Sam Sloan

It is also available at Waterstone's Bookstore in England, which
advertises "Free Delivery to anywhere in the UK".

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/simpleSearch.do?simpleSearchStrin=
g=3D0923891412

I guess the UK includes India, because it seems to be available there
too.

http://www.flipkart.com/search-books/0923891412

Sam Sloan


 
Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:22:01
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Jan 26, 8:54=A0am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com > wrote:
> I'm a relative beginner at chess. =A0Our local paper carries Shelby
> Lyman's Chess column on Sunday, and I try to solve his "Beginner's
> Corner" problem.

Where is your local newspaper and Shelby Lyman's column published?

I mention Shelby Lyman and his TV Show several times in my reprint of
the book "Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World" which is now
available at Barnes and Noble and on Amazon.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=3D092389141=
2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412

Sam Sloan


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:55:19
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:22:01 -0800 (PST), samsloan
<samhsloan@gmail.com > wrote:

> On Jan 26, 8:54 am, Bill McCray <McCrayB...@SpringMind.com> wrote:
> > I'm a relative beginner at chess.  Our local paper carries Shelby
> > Lyman's Chess column on Sunday, and I try to solve his "Beginner's
> > Corner" problem.
>
> Where is your local newspaper and Shelby Lyman's column published?

Lexington Herald-Leader, Lexington, Kentucky.

> I mention Shelby Lyman and his TV Show several times in my reprint of
> the book "Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World" which is now
> available at Barnes and Noble and on Amazon.
>
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=0923891412
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412
>
> Sam Sloan

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Date: 26 Jan 2009 06:04:24
From: Jon D'Souza-Eva
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and the
one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
correct solution.


  
Date: 26 Jan 2009 09:55:19
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Re: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:04:24 -0800 (PST), "Jon D'Souza-Eva"
<jon.dsouzaeva@gmail.com > wrote:

> I think there's a typo. I think the rook on e4 should be black and the
> one on h1 should be white. Then 1. ... Rxe1+ 2. Rxe1 Qd3# is the
> correct solution.

The one at e4 is white and at h1 is black in the printed puzzle, but
perhaps they got switched from the one Lyman intended. At least that
would explain the answer. But his answer showed moving the one at h1
first, so maybe not.

I assume from your answer that you agree with my answer.

Bill

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Date: 26 Jan 2009 08:54:05
From: Bill McCray
Subject: Shelby Lyman's Newspaper Column from Sunday
I'm a relative beginner at chess. Our local paper carries Shelby
Lyman's Chess column on Sunday, and I try to solve his "Beginner's
Corner" problem. In this Sunday's puzzle, I think I see a simpler
solution than the one Lyman gives, so I figure there's something I'm
missing. I don't know how to ask Lyman about it, so I'm asking here.

Here's the setup. You'll have to use a fixed font to view it.

a b c d e f g h

8 . . . . . . . .
7 . . . . . P K .
6 . . . . . . P .
5 . . . . . . . .
4 . . . p r . . .
3 . . Q . . . . .
2 . . . . . p p .
1 . . r k n . . R

Capital letters indicate Black; lower-case White. A period is an
empty square. It's Black's move, and the caption says "Black mates in
2".

The solution given is

Rook h1 to e1 taking knight, check
Rook e4 to e1 taking rook
Queen c3 to d3, checkmate

It seems to me that just Queen to d3 leads to checkmate in one move.
The King can't move to a square not within the Queen's range. No
white piece can be moved between the King and Queen. No white piece
can take the queen except the Knight at e1, but the Knight can't be
moved because doing so exposes the King to the Rook at h1.

What am I missing?

Bill

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