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Date: 10 Nov 2008 22:41:08
From: Sanny
Subject: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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Please analyze this game. What were the wrong moves by Beginner Level?
Average Time Beginner took: 6 sec / move
Average Time Taylor Kingston took: 48 sec / move
So Taylor Kinsgton was taking 8 times more time in making his moves.
Good thing was Taylor Kinsgton was able to win the game in just 30
moves.
Beginner played 14 out of 30 moves in Zero Seconds. So It was a quick
game.
Total time be Beginner: 3 min.
Total time by Taylor Kingston: 24 min.
Yesterday Phil_in win one game against Beginner while lost the other
game. So to conclude now Beginner is giving good competition to strong
players.
Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
itself plays so well.
Game Played between 8th Man and beginner at GetClub.com
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Taylor Kingston: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30451&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(beginner) -- (Taylor Kingston)
1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{4}
2. Ng1-f3{0} g7-g6{4}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{4}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Bf8-g7{14}
5. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{10}
6. Bc1-e3{12} Ng8-f6{128}
7. Nd4-c6{0} b7-c6{70}
8. Bf1-c4{16} Ke8-g8{70}
9. Ke1-g1{12} Nf6-e4{222}
10. Nc3-e4{0} d7-d5{4}
11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}
12. Qd1-d8{0} Rf8-d8{6}
13. c2-c3{8} Bc8-f5{86}
14. Rf1-e1{14} Ra8-b8{58}
15. Be3-d4{0} Rd8-d4{102}
16. c3-d4{10} Bg7-d4{4}
17. Ra1-d1{6} Bd4-b2{26}
18. Re1-e7{22} Bb2-f6{18}
19. Re7-f7{6} Bf6-g5{18}
20. Rf7-c7{0} c4-c3{26}
21. Rd1-f1{20} c3-c2{26}
22. Rc7-c6{0} Rb8-b1{28}
23. g2-g4{6} Bf5-d3{36}
24. Rc6-c2{0} Bd3-f1{36}
25. Rc2-c8{6} Kg8-f7{18}
26. Rc8-c7{6} Kf7-e6{58}
27. f2-f4{0} Bg5-h4{30}
28. h2-h3{8} Bh4-g3{76}
29. f4-f5{0} Ke6-d6{18}
30. Kg1-f1{2}
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Taylor Kingston: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30451&game=Chess
What were the mistake in the above game? Was there any blunder in by
Beginner Level.
I saw computer analysis and found First 10 moves were Opening moves.
So Beginner played correct Opening. Still it lost.
In the end Beginner was having Rook for 2 Bishops. And has to give its
Rook for the Advancing pawn.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 23:12:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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On Nov 13, 10:49=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 12, 12:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
> > loose ratings.
>
> =A0 =A0Reality check: help bot fears no one.
>
> =A0 The proof is in the many cases where I was told I
> would get crushed like a chicken, but boldly
> proceeded anyway.
>
> =A0 In one of these cases, I was "strongly advised" to
> withdraw from a tournament in which I had a clean
> score, to avoid having to face a master named Billy
> Colias. =A0It goes without saying that my reply was
> akin to the sinister general's in Star Wars, who said
> something like: "evacuate, now, in our moment of
> triumph?"
>
> =A0 More recently, I had an opportunity to simply not
> enter a tourney in which I was destined to have to
> play a grandmaster-- unless I lost repeatedly to the
> 1600s. =A0 Naturally, I was unfazed; I entered, beat
> the low-rated players and then proceeded to out-
> play the grandmaster... only to lose like a carrot a
> bit later on. =A0Even Rybka agrees that I was on top,
> but for the relentlessly-ticking chess clock.
>
> =A0 I have been told -- right here in rgc -- by Sanny
> again and again, to play the lower levels, not the
> Advance level. =A0But at one point the evil Zebediah
> had indeed driven the rating of the Advance level
> so low as to dishearten the throngs of GetClub
> fans-- including me. =A0By and large it is my poor
> internet connection, outmoded computer, and the
> multitudinous bugs which have discouraged me
> from more often taking on the very top levels, not
> fear.
>
> =A0 If there is one thing I do fear about playing the
> dismal GetClub program, it is that I may get into
> a situation which is drawn by perpetual check;
> such a position would induce either my own
> involuntary resignation, or else inevitable loss
> on time due to my eventual death of old age, or
> perhaps even suicide, out of frustration. =A0;>D
>
> =A0 -- help bot
Looking forward for your new games.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 21:49:11
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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On Nov 12, 12:15=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
> loose ratings.
Reality check: help bot fears no one.
The proof is in the many cases where I was told I
would get crushed like a chicken, but boldly
proceeded anyway.
In one of these cases, I was "strongly advised" to
withdraw from a tournament in which I had a clean
score, to avoid having to face a master named Billy
Colias. It goes without saying that my reply was
akin to the sinister general's in Star Wars, who said
something like: "evacuate, now, in our moment of
triumph?"
More recently, I had an opportunity to simply not
enter a tourney in which I was destined to have to
play a grandmaster-- unless I lost repeatedly to the
1600s. Naturally, I was unfazed; I entered, beat
the low-rated players and then proceeded to out-
play the grandmaster... only to lose like a carrot a
bit later on. Even Rybka agrees that I was on top,
but for the relentlessly-ticking chess clock.
I have been told -- right here in rgc -- by Sanny
again and again, to play the lower levels, not the
Advance level. But at one point the evil Zebediah
had indeed driven the rating of the Advance level
so low as to dishearten the throngs of GetClub
fans-- including me. By and large it is my poor
internet connection, outmoded computer, and the
multitudinous bugs which have discouraged me
from more often taking on the very top levels, not
fear.
If there is one thing I do fear about playing the
dismal GetClub program, it is that I may get into
a situation which is drawn by perpetual check;
such a position would induce either my own
involuntary resignation, or else inevitable loss
on time due to my eventual death of old age, or
perhaps even suicide, out of frustration. ; >D
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 07:38:43
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> > 10. Nc3-e4{0} d7-d5{4}
> > 11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}
>
> The game recorded by your website (URL above) continues
>
> 11. Pe4xd5 (illegal: there is no pawn on e4) Pc6xd5 12.Ne4-g5 (wait a
> minute, there used to be a not-a-pawn on e4.
There was a bug which has been removed So the game was not recorded
properly.
> I suggest you concentrate on making you program play and record legal
> games of chess before you move onto difficult things like trying to
> make it play good chess.
That problem was solved as soon as I got the message from Taylor
Kingston.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 15:05:12
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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[Obnoxious crosspost trimmed]
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Please analyze this game. What were the wrong moves by Beginner Level?
>
> Game Played between 8th Man and beginner at GetClub.com
>
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>Taylor Kingston: (Black)
>beginner: (White)
>Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30451&game=Chess
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (beginner) -- (Taylor Kingston)
>
> 1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{4}
> 2. Ng1-f3{0} g7-g6{4}
> 3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{4}
> 4. Nf3-d4{0} Bf8-g7{14}
> 5. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{10}
> 6. Bc1-e3{12} Ng8-f6{128}
> 7. Nd4-c6{0} b7-c6{70}
> 8. Bf1-c4{16} Ke8-g8{70}
> 9. Ke1-g1{12} Nf6-e4{222}
> 10. Nc3-e4{0} d7-d5{4}
> 11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}
The game recorded by your website (URL above) continues
11. Pe4xd5 (illegal: there is no pawn on e4) Pc6xd5 12.Ne4-g5 (wait a
minute, there used to be a not-a-pawn on e4.
I suggest you concentrate on making you program play and record legal
games of chess before you move onto difficult things like trying to
make it play good chess.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Lead Ghost (TM): it's like a haunting
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ spirit that weighs a ton!
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 21:15:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> Recording games does not make what you're claiming a 'fact', the only way
> you can claim it as a fact is if you ask them all and they all say "Because
> I might get beaten by the tougher level". then you can claim it as fact. If
> you haven't done that, you can't.
>
> ave
Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
loose ratings.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 09:47:45
From: ave
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
> loose ratings.
Yes, but IIRC it wasn't because he feared the higher levels would beat him.
But more due to bugs\hangs and the time investment.
Also, one person telling you that doesn't mean it's applicable to all >.>
ave
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 07:44:35
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> > Total time be Beginner: 3 min.
> > Total time by Taylor Kingston: 24 min.
>
> He has the patience of a saint.
GetClub took just 3 min for making 30 moves. While Taylor Kingston
took 24 min for his moves.
Earlier he used to play with Master Level and wait 1-2 hours / move.
Taylor Kingston has lots of patience.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 07:44:31
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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One problem about playing a chess program at blitz is that the program
will make loads of moves in zero seconds. For the first 10 or so moves
the total time used by the computer will be zero seconds. When the
game nears its end the program will once more go into instantaneous
mode.
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 07:36:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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On Nov 11, 4:07=A0pm, "ave" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
> > itself plays so well.
>
> And you base that conclusion on... what? I'm not saying you're wrong or
> anything, but it comes across that you just pulled that conclusion out of
> the air.
1 year back all good players used to play with Master Level which used
to think 10 min / move.
After the game was improved I find them playing with Normal Level 2
min / move As the Normal Level was giving good challenge and They fear
Master may beat them.
Later after further improvements I find same players were playing with
Easy Level: 30 sec / move As now easy was as good as them and they
fear they may loose to Normal Level.
Now I find after further improvements Most players are playing with
Beginner Level 10 sec / move as now Beginner plays as good as them.
And they fear they may loose to Easy Level.
So with improvements players started choosing the lower level as the
Beginner itself is a good challenge.
I have Recorded Games as the fact. You can see the players playing the
higher levels are now playing with Beginner & Easy Levels as they
cannot beat the higher levels.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 16:59:16
From: ave
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> 1 year back all good players used to play with Master Level which used
> to think 10 min / move.
>
> After the game was improved I find them playing with Normal Level 2
> min / move As the Normal Level was giving good challenge and They fear
> Master may beat them.
Doesn't master level take like 24 hours to make a move these days? Wouldn't
that be more of a likely reason why?
> I have Recorded Games as the fact. You can see the players playing the
> higher levels are now playing with Beginner & Easy Levels as they
> cannot beat the higher levels.
Recording games does not make what you're claiming a 'fact', the only way
you can claim it as a fact is if you ask them all and they all say "Because
I might get beaten by the tougher level". then you can claim it as fact. If
you haven't done that, you can't.
ave
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 11:07:19
From: ave
Subject: Re: Game with Taylor Kingston.
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> Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
> itself plays so well.
And you base that conclusion on... what? I'm not saying you're wrong or
anything, but it comes across that you just pulled that conclusion out of
the air.
Even if every player played only beginner, you can't assume it's because
beginner plays so well. There could be a number of reasons. Did you ask them
all why they don't play with easy level? Did they answer?
Again, I'm not claiming your conclusion is wrong, it's just this seems to be
one of the things that annoys many people about some of your postings. That
you draw a conclusion because it puts you in better light rather than
because you have hard facts to base the conclusion on. And 100% of people
playing beginner does not necessarily mean it's because "beginner itself
plays so well", it may be the reason but that doesn't make it fact.
ave
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