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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:11:20
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
Am I correct that GetClub is playing as good as Rybka. I played 2-3
games but the Rybka server hangs and I am unable to complete the game.

When I give White to Beginner it plays as good as Rybka. But when I
give White to Rybka then Rybka beats GetClub very easily. So the
margin between GetClub and Rybka is very small.

=E2=99=AB Play Chess: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html =E2=99=AB

People having Fritz/ Rybka/ Chess Master and other programs play
against GetClub Chess and let me know if they can win the Beginner
Level or not?

Is there anyone who can beat Beginner Level without taking help of
Computer?

Bye
Sanny

=E2=99=AB Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html =E2=99=AB






 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:56:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
On Jan 28, 12:02=A0pm, Poutnik <poutnikletspamisoutofa...@atlas.cz >
wrote:

> > =A0 =A0No. =A0 The creators of Rybka have not (yet,
> > anyway) incorporated ultra-advanced techniques
> > such as hanging when their engine is losing; this
> > is what makes GetClub uniquely on the cutting
> > edge.

> It is said to be UCI engine interface limitation,
> not offering draw or loss.

> At least at Arena webpage or related docs I have read it.


I was making a little joke. You see, when things
are going well for the GetClub program, one may
experience few if any problems; but let the program
reach a dead lost ending, and it will "hang" many
times, requiring multiple restarts and almost infinite
persistence on the part of its opponent to finish the
game and thereby get it rated as a win.

My computer has far less memory than is ideal,
and that combined with the approach of a pawn
promotion (as usually happens in these cases)
may be contributing factors but even so, GC is
the only chess program I've ever played which
seems to have the ability to hang, or simply
refuse to move, when losing. All the others
simply accepted their lot, finished the games
and got on with their lives.


-- help bot


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:45:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
On Jan 28, 1:55=A0am, Offramp <alaneobr...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > Those who attempt to confound
> > hapless beginners in chess ought to be
> > shot, or at least pointed to and laughed at.

> Correct! After all, annotators write, "He has three pawns for the
> knight and the game is level," not, "He has three pawns for the knight
> and needs just another =BC of a pawn to be level."


Well, I seem to recall that a few of the numbers
presented here by Mr. Kingston were downright
insane. For instance, the two center pawns
might add up to more than a Knight, while it
could take a whole row of Rook-pawns to equal
the same sum-- even if half of them were on
each side of the board. The thing is, beginners
need to focus more on tactics, and less on this
idiocy of wacky fractional-point additions.

This is why Iike the games of Paul Morphy so
much-- he focused on key squares, like say f2,
and on getting the other guy's King; and he did
so while utilizing his entire army, not like so
many beginners, who mainly use the Queen.

But taken too far, the keep-it-simple-stupid
system can be corrupted, sickened. We see
this in the annotations of such patzers as Mr.
Reinfeld, who insisted that 1. P-K4 was the
only or best first move when in fact that honor
belongs to 1. Nf3!. : >D


-- help bot






 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:46:16
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
* Sanny <softtanks22@hotmail.com > (16:21) schrieb:

f > On Jan 28, 6:17 pm, Simon Krahnke <overl...@gmx.li> wrote:
>> * Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com> (09:01) schrieb:
>>
>>> But I am unable to test the game against Rybka. As the Server hangs
>>> after 20-30 moves.
>>
>> What Server?
>>
>> When you finally gave an answer to what Rybka you are using, you said
>> you use the free downloadable one. So what server?
>
> Server at chessok.com

I see. Why don't you just download Rybka and use it on your own
computer?

mfg, simon .... l


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 07:21:11
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
On Jan 28, 6:17=A0pm, Simon Krahnke <overl...@gmx.li > wrote:
> * Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com> (09:01) schrieb:
>
> > But I am unable to test the game against Rybka. As the Server hangs
> > after 20-30 moves.
>
> What Server?
>
> When you finally gave an answer to what Rybka you are using, you said
> you use the free downloadable one. So what server?
>
> mfg, =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 simon .... l

Server at chessok.com

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 14:17:28
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
* Sanny <softtanks22@hotmail.com > (09:01) schrieb:

> But I am unable to test the game against Rybka. As the Server hangs
> after 20-30 moves.

What Server?

When you finally gave an answer to what Rybka you are using, you said
you use the free downloadable one. So what server?

mfg, simon .... l


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 00:01:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
> > Is there anyone who can beat Beginner Level without taking help of
> > Computer?
>
> =A0 =A0Bobby Fischer... but he's dead. =A0 Maybe you
> can somehow attract a super-grandmaster, by
> offering him free pizza and beer?

Today there was slight improvement done. Now GetClub plays as good as
Rybka the worlds strongest engine.

But I am unable to test the game against Rybka. As the Server hangs
after 20-30 moves.

Still waiting for games by other players to know how good GetClub has
become.

I played against Jester and it was a tough fight. Play a quick game
against Beginner Level and let me know if you feel the difference?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:55:52
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
On 28 Jan, 06:41, help bot <nomorech...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 12:11=A0am, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> p=3D1
> N-3
> B=3D3
> R=3D5
> Q=3D9
> K=3D99
> Those who attempt to confound
> hapless beginners in chess ought to be
> shot, or at least pointed to and laughed at.

Correct! After all, annotators write, "He has three pawns for the
knight and the game is level," not, "He has three pawns for the knight
and needs just another =BC of a pawn to be level."


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:41:14
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
On Jan 28, 12:11=A0am, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Am I correct that GetClub is playing as good as Rybka. I played 2-3
> games but the Rybka server hangs and I am unable to complete the game.


No. The creators of Rybka have not (yet,
anyway) incorporated ultra-advanced techniques
such as hanging when their engine is losing; this
is what makes GetClub uniquely on the cutting
edge.


> When I give White to Beginner it plays as good as Rybka. But when I
> give White to Rybka then Rybka beats GetClub very easily. So the
> margin between GetClub and Rybka is very small.


Perhaps your openings repetoire for Black is
just inferior? I've noticed in my games that I
have a much easier time playing White than I
do playing Black, and this is not likely to do
with me so much as it is to do with GC.


> People having Fritz/ Rybka/ Chess Master and other programs play
> against GetClub Chess and let me know if they can win the Beginner
> Level or not?


All those other programs can easily beat
GetClub. You told us yourself that since GC
uses a Java applet, it is much, much slower
than any "normal" type engine.


> Is there anyone who can beat Beginner Level without taking help of
> Computer?


Bobby Fischer... but he's dead. Maybe you
can somehow attract a super-grandmaster, by
offering him free pizza and beer?

Anyway, I hope you were not confounded by
Mr. Kingston's posting regarding the value of
the first move. Were you to incorporate the
piece-values he gave, it would lead to disaster.
Considering the level at which GC plays, the
best solution is probably to keep it as simple
as possible, like so:

p=3D1
N-3
B=3D3
R=3D5
Q=3D9
K=3D99


Those are not the ideal numbers, but they
have the advantage of adding up properly:

(i.e. Q =3D B + N + N)
(Q =3D R + R)
(R + B + p =3D Q)


Whereas the numbers Mr. Kingston gave
(from Mr. Lasker, I believe) can mess things
up terribly, without even trying; in some
cases, I noticed that his numbers could be
off by /two points/ when added together as
above! Those who attempt to confound
hapless beginners in chess ought to be
shot, or at least pointed to and laughed at.


-- help bot





  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:02:34
From: Poutnik
Subject: Re: GetClub Beginner playing as good as Rybka.
In article <9819406b-ee1a-4ecb-bbbf-9798039cc2e1
@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com >, nomorechess@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
> No. The creators of Rybka have not (yet,
> anyway) incorporated ultra-advanced techniques
> such as hanging when their engine is losing; this
> is what makes GetClub uniquely on the cutting
> edge.
>
It is said to be UCI engine interface limitation,
not offering draw or loss.

At least at Arena webpage or related docs I have read it.

--
Poutnik