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Date: 16 Jul 2007 02:05:06
From: Patzer
Subject: Publishing an opening on a website
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I have developed an opening that is unusual. I would prefer it to be
*good* as well as unusual, but I am not good enough at chess to do that. ;=)
I works with a bunch of fellow scientists who are reasonably good at
chess, plus one who isn't quite as good but who spends a *lot* of
time studying openings. If we can get past the opening without
falling into a trap, we can usually beat him, but two times out of
three we are end up going into the middle game at least a minor piece
down.
I worked out an opening that is easy to memorize, works for black or
white, and takes him out of his memorized book. It's not a serious
threat to a *real* chessplayer, but it serves the purpose of giving
a scientist who plays a few games every so often for fun something
a bit better than just winging the opening.
Now I want to put the opening on my website in such a way that an
occasional player can understand it. All I have is a big handwritten
tree on a large sheet of paper with colored arrows showing any
transpositions I noticed.
What's the best format for puuting this into HTML?
Allowing the user to download a chess-playing program with
my opening book loaded in it would be a plus -- something
that runs on Arena maybe?
Suggestions?
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 23:27:24
From: Patzer
Subject: Re: Publishing an opening on a website
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Stephan Bird <[email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:48:13 +0000, (in
>[email protected]), Patzer wrote:
>
>> Stephan James Bird <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>What you could do is have a pgn file for download, and maybe a Scid
>>>opening report generated from the game (fragments) if you have
>>>sufficient material
>>
>> Would either of those be able to handle information in this form:
>>
>> Book for white:
>>
>> White's opening move = pd2-d4
>>
>> If black replies with pd7-d5, white moves ng1-f3 If black replies with
>> pe7-e5, white moves pd5xpe7
>>
>> ...and so on, so that for every possible black move there is a "book"
>> reply. Later plies, of course, can't have an answer to every response
>> -- the book would get way too big way too soon.
>>
>> From what I understand from seaching the web for "chess pgn format", pgn
>> describes games, not opening books like what I want to make.
>>
>> Let me ask this another way. Does every available chess engine limit
>> you to the book that it comes with, or is it possible to make your own
>> opening book? If it is possible to make your own opening book, wahet is
>> the format?
>>
>> I am not a chess expert, just a dude who wants to create an opening book
>> and play against it on my computer. Once I can do that, I think I know
>> how to put it on a web page.
>
>OK, point taken. The scenario I outlined is probably better suited to
>opening lines where you don't have to start from the beginning, so for
>instance lines after e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5, or d4 Nf6 g4 (to pick a few),
>otherwise things get rather unwieldy and large rather quickly.
>
>To answer your question about engines and books, certainly most of the
>ones I know about allow entering the moves and create your "own" book.
>However these invariably use proprietary formats, so rely on set programs
>being available at the other end if you want to publish and let others see
>your analyses.
I understand. So what if I just pick an Open Source chess engine and
use it's opening book format? What's the most popular Open Source
chess engine? What's the smallest Open Source chess engine? What's
the strongest Open Source chess engine?
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 03:32:23
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: Publishing an opening on a website
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:48:13 +0000, (in
[email protected]), Patzer wrote:
> Stephan James Bird <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>What you could do is have a pgn file for download, and maybe a Scid
>>opening report generated from the game (fragments) if you have
>>sufficient material
>
> Would either of those be able to handle information in this form:
>
> Book for white:
>
> White's opening move = pd2-d4
>
> If black replies with pd7-d5, white moves ng1-f3 If black replies with
> pe7-e5, white moves pd5xpe7
>
> ...and so on, so that for every possible black move there is a "book"
> reply. Later plies, of course, can't have an answer to every response
> -- the book would get way too big way too soon.
>
> From what I understand from seaching the web for "chess pgn format", pgn
> describes games, not opening books like what I want to make.
>
> Let me ask this another way. Does every available chess engine limit
> you to the book that it comes with, or is it possible to make your own
> opening book? If it is possible to make your own opening book, wahet is
> the format?
>
> I am not a chess expert, just a dude who wants to create an opening book
> and play against it on my computer. Once I can do that, I think I know
> how to put it on a web page.
OK, point taken. The scenario I outlined is probably better suited to
opening lines where you don't have to start from the beginning, so for
instance lines after e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5, or d4 Nf6 g4 (to pick a few),
otherwise things get rather unwieldy and large rather quickly.
To answer your question about engines and books, certainly most of the
ones I know about allow entering the moves and create your "own" book.
However these invariably use proprietary formats, so rely on set programs
being available at the other end if you want to publish and let others see
your analyses.
Stephan
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Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
Currently in Caernarfon, Wales
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 16:27:43
From: Stephan James Bird
Subject: Re: Publishing an opening on a website
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:05:06 +0000, Patzer wrote:
> I have developed an opening that is unusual. I would prefer it to be
> *good* as well as unusual, but I am not good enough at chess to do that. ;=)
>
-- >8-- snip
>
> Now I want to put the opening on my website in such a way that an
> occasional player can understand it. All I have is a big handwritten
> tree on a large sheet of paper with colored arrows showing any
> transpositions I noticed.
>
> What's the best format for puuting this into HTML?
> Allowing the user to download a chess-playing program with
> my opening book loaded in it would be a plus -- something
> that runs on Arena maybe?
>
> Suggestions?
What you could do is have a pgn file for download, and maybe a Scid
opening report generated from the game (fragments) if you have sufficient
material
S
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Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
Currently in Caernarfon, Wales
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 01:48:13
From: Patzer
Subject: Re: Publishing an opening on a website
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Stephan James Bird <[email protected] > wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:05:06 +0000, Patzer wrote:
>
>> I have developed an opening that is unusual. I would prefer it to be
>> *good* as well as unusual, but I am not good enough at chess to do that.
;=)
>>
>-->8-- snip
>>
>> Now I want to put the opening on my website in such a way that an
>> occasional player can understand it. All I have is a big handwritten
>> tree on a large sheet of paper with colored arrows showing any
>> transpositions I noticed.
>>
>> What's the best format for puuting this into HTML?
>> Allowing the user to download a chess-playing program with
>> my opening book loaded in it would be a plus -- something
>> that runs on Arena maybe?
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
>What you could do is have a pgn file for download, and maybe a Scid
>opening report generated from the game (fragments) if you have sufficient
>material
Would either of those be able to handle information in this form:
Book for white:
White's opening move = pd2-d4
If black replies with pd7-d5, white moves ng1-f3
If black replies with pe7-e5, white moves pd5xpe7
...and so on, so that for every possible black move
there is a "book" reply. Later plies, of course, can't
have an answer to every response -- the book would get
way too big way too soon.
From what I understand from seaching the web for "chess
pgn format", pgn describes games, not opening books like
what I want to make.
Let me ask this another way. Does every available chess
engine limit you to the book that it comes with, or is it
possible to make your own opening book? If it is possible
to make your own opening book, wahet is the format?
I am not a chess expert, just a dude who wants to create an
opening book and play against it on my computer. Once I can
do that, I think I know how to put it on a web page.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 02:13:02
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Publishing an opening on a website
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On Jul 15, 10:05 pm, Patzer <[email protected] > wrote:
> I have developed an opening that is unusual. I would prefer it to be
> *good* as well as unusual, but I am not good enough at chess to do that. ;=)
>
> I works with a bunch of fellow scientists who are reasonably good at
> chess, plus one who isn't quite as good but who spends a *lot* of
> time studying openings. If we can get past the opening without
> falling into a trap, we can usually beat him, but two times out of
> three we are end up going into the middle game at least a minor piece
> down.
>
> I worked out an opening that is easy to memorize, works for black or
> white, and takes him out of his memorized book. It's not a serious
> threat to a *real* chessplayer, but it serves the purpose of giving
> a scientist who plays a few games every so often for fun something
> a bit better than just winging the opening.
>
> Now I want to put the opening on my website in such a way that an
> occasional player can understand it. All I have is a big handwritten
> tree on a large sheet of paper with colored arrows showing any
> transpositions I noticed.
>
> What's the best format for puuting this into HTML?
> Allowing the user to download a chess-playing program with
> my opening book loaded in it would be a plus -- something
> that runs on Arena maybe?
>
> Suggestions?
Um, it sounds to me as if you are trying to battle the
memorization-by-rote approach to chess openings by
utilizing much the same method yourself -- the tree of
variations mentioned above. If indeed all you are trying
to accomplish is escaping the opening alive and in one
piece (not sans a piece), all that is required is to play
a King's Indian style defense, or if that is a problem (e4,
f3, B-e3, Q-d2, O-O-O, h4, h5, sac, sac, mate!, yawn),
then the hedgehog should suffice. I have been playing
a lot of (really fast) blitz chess against Fritz 5.32 (an old
program) sans opening book, and it does not generally
hang any pieces; I have to go and get them! I am truly
amazed at how many pawn moves the program can play,
and stupid Rook moves, and even allowing, say, B-g6+
K-e7, and still put up a good fight. It boils down to this:
there is one thing which is far more important than all
others in chess, and that one thing is tactics. Get this
down pat and you will be able to fight your way back in
losing positions, drawn positions, and yes, even win the
won positions without getting swindled the way I often do
against Fritz.
Generally speaking, you should not be losing pieces in
the opening just because your opponent is well-booked.
A cramped position? Yes. Maybe a bad Bishop or some
other positional defect such as a backward pawn -- yes,
but dropping pieces outright? This smacks of a weakness
at tactics, or else you are letting yourself be drawn into
sharp, incalculable tactical slugfesting where your booked
opponent has memorized the "best" moves and how to
refute certain blunders. Just play something unorthodox,
like (as White): 1.e3 e5 2.d4; or (as Black): 1.e4 d6 2.d4
c6, or else play the KIA, the hippopotamus (many pawns
advance to the third rank and Rook-pawns to the fourth).
Hey, if you want a casual chess player to be able to
"understand" your system, a tree of moves is hardly the
way to go. How about a verbal explanation of each move,
what it accomplishes, why it is played when it is -- that
sort of thing? A verbal explanation is far better than a
compilation of moves in a tree, and again, rather than
throwing a chess-man a tree full of fish, try to teach him
to fish for himself. This reminds me of another system
which is easy to learn and where one is unlikely to get
creamed in the opening: the Colle. In fact, the London
System is much the same, except you have to be
able to deal with certain tactics which may exploit the
early absence of the QB from its home on the queen-
side. Did I just say tactics? Funny how that word
keeps coming up, again and again. : >D
-- help bot
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