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Date: 04 Oct 2006 16:46:53
From: Wilma
Subject: Test of cheating with Fritz
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It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a great
player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or Botvinik because
of their precision.
Wilma
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 17:48:08
From: Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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Wilma wrote:
> It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a great
> player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or Botvinik because
> of their precision.
See:
"Computer Analysis of World Chess Champions" by M. Guid and I. Bratko,
ICGA Journal, Year 2006, Volume 29, Nr. 2
They conclude (among other things) that the most precise players are
Kramnik and Capablanca, and that it doesn't matter what computer program
you compare to.
The analysis is quite extensive and takes into account things like the
complexity of the positions the players get into.
Botvinnik is far down the list, together with Euwe and Steinitz.
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GCP
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Date: 06 Oct 2006 09:58:33
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Computer Analysis of World Chess Champions" by M. Guid and
> I. Bratko, ICGA Journal, Year 2006, Volume 29, Nr. 2
Pity that doesn't seem to be available on-line. I can understand the
ICGA's reasoning but it's a bit annoying when things that look like
academic journals are private. (OK, most academic journals require
subscriptions to download articles but, in my field, at least, papers
are usually available on the authors' web pages.)
> They conclude (among other things) that the most precise players are
> Kramnik and Capablanca, and that it doesn't matter what computer
> program you compare to.
>
> [...] Botvinnik is far down the list, together with Euwe and
> Steinitz.
It doesn't much surprise me that Steinitz and Botvinnik were low on
the list. Steinitz, in particular, since he was playing a freaky
`beta version' of Positional Chess v0.01. Botvinnik, to a lesser
extent, as he revolutionized[1] treatment of positions with IQPs.
Dave.
[1] Is that a reasonable word to use? I'd be interested to hear
people's assessments of the magnitude of his contribution to this
kind of position. rgc.analysis would probably be a more
appropriate group.
--
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and it wants to kill you!
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 20:56:28
From: Wilma
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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Good information. It follows that analyses of some Capa games is the way to
go. I hope somebody with more time and talent than I will also do the
experiment.
Wilma
Gian-Carlo Pascutto <[email protected] > wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Wilma wrote:
>> It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a
>> great player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or
>> Botvinik because of their precision.
>
> See:
>
> "Computer Analysis of World Chess Champions" by M. Guid and I. Bratko,
> ICGA Journal, Year 2006, Volume 29, Nr. 2
>
> They conclude (among other things) that the most precise players are
> Kramnik and Capablanca, and that it doesn't matter what computer
> program you compare to.
>
> The analysis is quite extensive and takes into account things like the
> complexity of the positions the players get into.
>
> Botvinnik is far down the list, together with Euwe and Steinitz.
>
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 18:43:33
From: John Player Sp.
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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"Wilma" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[email protected]...
> It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a great
> player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or Botvinik because
> of their precision.
Tell us yout results, it's interestung for all of us.
John
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 20:26:40
From: Ruud
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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In Fritz, you should try 'blunder-check', with 'zero-tolerance', and find
out.
"Wilma" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a great
> player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or Botvinik because
> of their precision.
>
> Wilma
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 02:30:19
From: Wilma
Subject: Re: Test of cheating with Fritz
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Ah! Thanks. That makes it a reasonable task.
Wilma
"Ruud" <[email protected] > wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In Fritz, you should try 'blunder-check', with 'zero-tolerance', and
> find out.
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> "Wilma" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
>> It would be interesting to see what percentage of the moves of a
>> great player from yesteryear matches Fritz9. Say, Capablanca or
>> Botvinik because of their precision.
>>
>> Wilma
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