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Date: 17 Feb 2009 07:15:16
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
My webtv can not see it live ..

If you are give us a few updates ..

8 games only then tie breakers ...Will the tie breakers be speed chess ?

In 8 games if you lose first you lose the match , i do not think the
other guy will make a mistake and let you tie the match up in this short
of match ...





 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 09:39:49
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 17, 11:33=A0am, Offramp <alaneobr...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 3:15=A0pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:
>
> > In 8 games if you lose first you lose the match
>
> In tennis the phrase is "The winner of the first point is the loser of
> the last."
> That might be the same in this match.
> I like Kamsky much more as a human but I am betting on two results:
> 3-0 to Topalov or 1-1 after 8 games.

Today's game was a draw.


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 05:47:27
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 19, 3:56=A0am, Offramp <alaneobr...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 1:57=A0pm, onech...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > Game 2 is now at move 9
>
> > I note a warning below the game which reads
>
> > "Warning! It is absolutely prohibited the live broadcast of the moves
> > or video during the game on other websites, media or software without
> > the explicit permission of the orginizers of the match.
>
> > Currently the broadcast rights are being violated by ChessBase =A0on it=
s
> > software PlayChess."
>
> > This uncertainly covers reporting the moves themselves - the language
> > above being a bit loose - but moves are not copyrightable, so this is
> > an interesting statement. What do others make of it?
>
> > Phil Innes
>
> The orginizers may not know the law. Everyone should just ignore it,
> but they won't. Chessbase may well stop broadcasting the match.

Today is a rest day, here is the Sched.

February 16 - 18.00 EET (16.00 UTC) - Official opening

February 17 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 1

February 18 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 2

February 19 - Rest Day

February 20 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 3

February 21 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 4

February 22 - Rest Day

February 23 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 5

February 24 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 6

February 25 - Rest Day

February 26 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 7

February 27 - 15.00 EET (13.00 UTC) - Game 8

February 28 - Tie breaks


   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 08:28:28
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> 31. g3 after about 30 seconds
> Kamsky must have looked at almost every response, and with 10 moves to
> the time control still has 28 minutes
>
> um, 26 minutes
>
> i wonder if white can essay Re3-e2-c2-c5
>
> um, 24 minutes
>
> i'll post this and come back

um, 22 mins, i wonder if gata is going to try Be4, or what he will do
to maintain some play here if white can manoeuvre the rook.

um 20 mins

Susan thinks Toppy is playing more a psychological game than perhaps a
technical endgame - as in, its black's draw but he has to win the draw
rather than have it handed to him

if the B doesn't go to e4, then can it go to d7-e6, is that too much
of a risk if the rooks also go off? currently black's king is on the
3rd rank, white's on the first

15 minutes! and ticking, 14...

black is still at move 31. time control is 40

i hope he is seeing everything, since he will now have to average
about 1 min move, whereas toppy still has 42 minutes

12...

this is awful - he began this move with 28 minutes. I guess Topalov is
right to play on since he has found Gata Kamsky's weakness... Time!

11... now 10...

Susan hasn't written anything more - maybe its just too hard to watch,
or will he move and then just reel out the next 9 moves to be Ok?

8mins 54 secs

A move! He has played 31 Be4 with 8 mins 38 seconds left on his clock.

IMMEDIATELY Topalov plays f3, as I thought about half an hour ago, but
Kamsky comes back with Bc6, and just as quick Toppy plays
33h4 Rd4

white 40 mins black 7 mins 19secs

i think Gata is okay - difficult to see what N redeployments could
hurt him

Topalov took 8 minutes to come up with Kc2, met by Bb5

then toppy must have offered the draw

phew!!

1/2 - 1/2

Phil Innes












    
Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:23:38
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
WOW , THANK FOR THAT EXCITING ANALYST OF THE GAME ..

I appreciate the hard work it took to write all that out ..

My webtv sucks and can not watch live stuff .

I am sure you probably do not have the time to do all the games like
this but maybe you can do one or two more of their games if you have the
time ? Thanks ....
Start a new thread if you do...
Yes that sounds like one of Gatas weakness , time control....+ Top
has a stronger ELO so i am sure Gata is trying to double check his every
move ...

Gata as white , he needs to play a lot better than the first time he
played .

Hey , think if he opens with Birds opening ..Would that throw Top off
his game ?



   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 07:53:48
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> white time after white 43 47 mins, black time 42 mins
>
> looks like the white K side is secure, and the pawns can go to dark
> squares
>
> Kamsky is going to need to defend for unteen moves yet to get his half
> point

a small skirmish in front of the white king has fixed toppy's pawns on
the same squares as gata's bishop, actually allowing him counter play.

30. brought Nf4

i am uncertain kamsky can play Be4 which locks the center adequately
and begins a counter attack, since f3 may be sufficient response, then
the check and B attack of pawn a2 can be met, also allowing Nd5+ and
Nxb4

so how will gata continue withoutr surrendering all initiative

he has just thought for 5 mins, black on move 36 mins and ticking,
white 43 mins

I xcan see this is going to be a 3-log game, black is still on move
and now has 31 mins

Susan saw the line and gave 28...Ba4 29.b3 Bc6 =
I am not so sure this is equal

a move 30. ...a5 with 29 mins left - I think this moves supposes that
the a pawn cannot be got at, snce the black bishop can't defend it and
there is no way of exchanging rooks and the white knight going over
there to knock it off

let's see if topalov thinks its equal...

31. g3 after about 30 seconds
Kamsky must have looked at almost every response, and with 10 moves to
the time control still has 28 minutes

um, 26 minutes

i wonder if white can essay Re3-e2-c2-c5

um, 24 minutes

i'll post this and come back








   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 07:32:03
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> and i must assume Nf3 will come instead of a draw offer
>
> yup, and thence to d4... ?
>
> 23. Nd4
>
> which attacks the pawn f5 and + as well as hitting the protected Bb5 -
> i was looking at Kg6 and Kf6,
>
> =A0gata is on move at 23...
>

another log. and a pair of rooks have gone off, black has 2 isolated f
pawns in a rook and minor piece endgame - he is currently trying to
provoke white's K side pawns onto the same color as his own bishop

both players have plenty of time, 55 mins - no analysis of this
endgame by Susan yet

white must be looking at 26. Re7 and also the possibility of
exchanging the pieces and whose pawn rush could come home first.
perhaps white's Re7 is adequately met by Rd6 - toppy has so far taken
about 5 minutes here

Wow! I feel right on today, that's what happened Re7 Rd6, then the
White kt has to move, and it went to e2 - but Toppy must see something
worth challenging here, since even on redeveloping the Kt [to f4 - a
good outpost] how to proceed.

Anyway, the rather obviouys Kf6 ejected the White rook from Blacks 2nd
rank.

looks like toppy really wants to fight this endgame

white time after white 43 47 mins, black time 42 mins

looks like the white K side is secure, and the pawns can go to dark
squares

Kamsky is going to need to defend for unteen moves yet to get his half
point

PI






   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 06:54:52
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> currently the Bd3 is en prise, and could capture either the free Kt on
> e4 ... i wonder if toppy is calculating Rd1?
>
> but he captured with Bxe4 to go temporarily a piece up, now, will he
> have to retreat the B to B1? and how will he handle RAB8...
>
> which Kamsky played...
>
> Phil Innes

Laugh - he did play Rd1, but by castling 000

the push pawn d6 reenters the picture

after 18,
white 1 hr 13 black 1 hr 08

okay, 19 has an exchange of the White B for Black Kt, the Nb6 is
hanging with no retreat square, except if d6, it can retreat to d5,
but d6 only gains a temporary pawn, white still need develop his Ng1

maybe he needs divert the Bb5 by playing Nd7 so that his dpawn isolani
doesn't fall and he can complete development, but is that position any
more than equal?

perhaps he will simply play Nf3 to e5

white now has 1:05 on his clock

I see that Susan Polgar thinks that 20. d6 Rxb6 21. dxe7 Re8 22. Nf3 =
and I further suppose that Toppy wants more than a brawl than that

but he's gone with that line, d6, followed by Rxb6

both players have hour and a couple mins at the half way point

and sure nuff, de, Re8

and i must assume Nf3 will come instead of a draw offer

yup, and thence to d4... ?

23. Nd4

which attacks the pawn f5 and + as well as hitting the protected Bb5 -
i was looking at Kg6 and Kf6,

gata is on move at 23...

PI








   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 06:34:03
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> wow - i was just considering what happened on Nc5, when after another
> good think Toppy played 14. Nb6 - i wonder if a following Ra7 will be
> met by d6? White has 1hr 27 at 14, black 1hr 43 - importantly since
> gata has been in time trouble recently
>
> now can black give up the exchange by Bb5? removing the guard on d3,
> then =A0the n fork on c2 will win the a1 rook?
>
> i imagine that is what both players looked at in the past 20 mins -
> Gata Kamsky is now using a lot of time for his 14th, about 12 mins so
> far
>
> perhaps after Ra7 if white can get in R c1 he is simply a pawn to the
> good
>
> Gata is still thinking, but i think the clock is no longer live
>
> ah! after 15 minutes I predicted right and we get 14. Bb5
>
> Phil Innes

after blacks 14th white had 1hr 22 black has 1hr 28

okay, 15 Be5 offers to swap knights - i saw this line about 20 mins
ago, the critical element seems to be removal of black's d4 n, while
the Ra8 is still being hit by the Nb6

looks like toppy took only 1 minute to respond after black's14th, so
black lacks a tempo to regain his pawn by capturing Bxd3 then Bxe4

i went to put a log in the fire, make some more coffee, and still
black hasn't moved after another 15 minutes

i often think books or tournament reports might be better if they
indicate where players took time - dgt are broadcasting this game and
therefore time/move is recorded, wouldn't if be interesting to report
that too, as well as the raw gamescore?

i just looked at another commentator's remarks, Susan Polgar says
either Rab8 or Bxd3 are 'fine' and she prefers the latter -

but! at 1hr 11 black played 15. ... Ne4 and Toppy replied immediately
by exchanging dark squared bishops

currently the Bd3 is en prise, and could capture either the free Kt on
e4 ... i wonder if toppy is calculating Rd1?

but he captured with Bxe4 to go temporarily a piece up, now, will he
have to retreat the B to B1? and how will he handle RAB8...


which Kamsky played...

Phil Innes


   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 06:07:12
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?

> i must say, its hard to see how black will continue to either regain
> material or to gain anything else.
>
> okay at 1h 45 we get 13. ... Bd7 hitting the loose N on a4, but
> allowing a fork Nb6 which would grant white the two bishops - but
> black some tactical shots with his fianchettoed one?
>
> PI

wow - i was just considering what happened on Nc5, when after another
good think Toppy played 14. Nb6 - i wonder if a following Ra7 will be
met by d6? White has 1hr 27 at 14, black 1hr 43 - importantly since
gata has been in time trouble recently

now can black give up the exchange by Bb5? removing the guard on d3,
then the n fork on c2 will win the a1 rook?

i imagine that is what both players looked at in the past 20 mins -
Gata Kamsky is now using a lot of time for his 14th, about 12 mins so
far

perhaps after Ra7 if white can get in R c1 he is simply a pawn to the
good

Gata is still thinking, but i think the clock is no longer live

ah! after 15 minutes I predicted right and we get 14. Bb5

Phil Innes








   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 05:34:29
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 20, 8:13=A0am, onech...@comcast.net wrote:
> what time limit are they playing
>
> > anyone know ?
>
> 40 in 2 hours
>
> BEWARE - the live cam crashed my browser after offering a =A0'no plug-
> in' note - but the live-board works okay.
>
> Its fast play in game 3, about 10 moves in 2 minutes from Toppy, who
> has already exchanged queens and is temp a pawn up after black's 10th,
> b4 which was played almost immediately. Now Toppy is thinking....
> about 7 minutes so far - I'll post this now and maybe return later.
>
> ah - fast moves. 11 Na4 !?! and the immediate reply from Kamsky, Nc6
>
> Phil Innes

After 10 mins Toppy played his move 12 - sure looks like we are more
in Gata's preparation than Toppy's. Gata replied immediately.

But at least on the surface White seems to have stabilized and gets to
keep the pawn. Its hard to see how Black will maintain the initiative
he had for a few moves, since white can maybe offer an exchange of
knights with Ne2 - meanwhile the B on c8 doesn't seem to have a square
to develop to, thus clearing the back rank

after whites 13, Bd3 White has 1h 42 mins Black 1 Hr mins and
ticking ... which is rather ominous...

as i post this Gata has been thinking for 6 minutes as if 13 Bd3 was
not part of his prep - or is he merely checking his own analysis

i must say, its hard to see how black will continue to either regain
material or to gain anything else.

okay at 1h 45 we get 13. ... Bd7 hitting the loose N on a4, but
allowing a fork Nb6 which would grant white the two bishops - but
black some tactical shots with his fianchettoed one?

PI









   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 05:13:54
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
what time limit are they playing
> anyone know ?

40 in 2 hours

BEWARE - the live cam crashed my browser after offering a 'no plug-
in' note - but the live-board works okay.

Its fast play in game 3, about 10 moves in 2 minutes from Toppy, who
has already exchanged queens and is temp a pawn up after black's 10th,
b4 which was played almost immediately. Now Toppy is thinking....
about 7 minutes so far - I'll post this now and maybe return later.

ah - fast moves. 11 Na4 !?! and the immediate reply from Kamsky, Nc6

Phil Innes







   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 07:54:46
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
Gata playing white seemed like a wild game , did he make a wrong move
early then just winged it for a hand full of moves ?
It said he was running out of time , what time limit are they playing
anyone know ?



  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 00:56:32
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 18, 1:57=A0pm, onech...@comcast.net wrote:
> Game 2 is now at move 9
>
> I note a warning below the game which reads
>
> "Warning! It is absolutely prohibited the live broadcast of the moves
> or video during the game on other websites, media or software without
> the explicit permission of the orginizers of the match.
>
> Currently the broadcast rights are being violated by ChessBase =A0on its
> software PlayChess."
>
> This uncertainly covers reporting the moves themselves - the language
> above being a bit loose - but moves are not copyrightable, so this is
> an interesting statement. What do others make of it?
>
> Phil Innes

The orginizers may not know the law. Everyone should just ignore it,
but they won't. Chessbase may well stop broadcasting the match.


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 05:57:26
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
Game 2 is now at move 9

I note a warning below the game which reads

"Warning! It is absolutely prohibited the live broadcast of the moves
or video during the game on other websites, media or software without
the explicit permission of the orginizers of the match.

Currently the broadcast rights are being violated by ChessBase on its
software PlayChess."

This uncertainly covers reporting the moves themselves - the language
above being a bit loose - but moves are not copyrightable, so this is
an interesting statement. What do others make of it?

Phil Innes



   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 19:44:56
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
I just played the game out and i take it that Gata ran out of time ?
knight to d-2 . then try to move it to c-4



  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 05:51:56
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 18, 1:08=A0am, Offramp <alaneobr...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 18, 3:33=A0am, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:
>
> > Do you have the web site ?
>
> http://www.wccc2009.com/

GM Topalov (2796) - GM Kamsky (2725) [D87]
Sofia Match (1), 17.02.2009

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Bc4 c5
8.Ne2 Nc6 9.Be3 0=960 10.0=960 Na5 11.Bd3 b6 12.Qd2 e5 13.Bh6 cxd4 14.Bxg7
Kxg7 15.cxd4 exd4 16.f4 f6 17.e5 Bd7 18.exf6+ Qxf6 19.Ng3 Kh8 20.f5
gxf5 21.Bxf5 Bxf5 22.Rxf5 Qd6 =3D White does have compensation for the
pawn.

23.Raf1 Nc6 24.Ne4 Qe7 An interesting try here would be 25.Qh6. It
does not win with correct defense by Black but it may be the best try.

25.Qh6 Rxf5 26.Rxf5 The only move here is 26...Ne5. Everything else
loses to 27.Ng5.

26...Ne5 27.h3 Ng6 28.Rh5 Rg8 The following continuation would lead to
a draw 29.Nf6 Rg7 30.Nxh7 Rxh7 31.Qxg6=3D

29.Nf6 Rg7 30.Nxh7 Rxh7 31.Qxg6 Qe3+ 32.Kh2 Qc1+ 33. Kf2 Qd2+ 34. Kg3
Qe3+ 35. Kh2 Qf4+ 36. Kg1 Qc1+ 1/2-1/2

PI


   
Date: 18 Feb 2009 19:47:06
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
what is the time limit per game ?

one hour or two ? how much each side get.



  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 22:08:31
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 18, 3:33=A0am, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> Do you have the web site ?

http://www.wccc2009.com/


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 19:33:03
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
Do you have the web site ?

Thanks

I am going to go look for it ..



 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 08:33:55
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Anyone watching the Gata vs Topolove game live ?
On Feb 17, 3:15=A0pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> In 8 games if you lose first you lose the match

In tennis the phrase is "The winner of the first point is the loser of
the last."
That might be the same in this match.
I like Kamsky much more as a human but I am betting on two results:
3-0 to Topalov or 1-1 after 8 games.