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or Fahndrich or both, and either in consultation or not with Tartakower or R�ti or neither at a location somewhere in Europe (possibly Vienna) some time before during or after the First or Second World War. Does anyone have any details - especially the game in pgn. Alan -- Work like the ponies in coalmines. Dance like the teardrop explodes. Love like you're Frank in Blue Velvet. Sing as though your little throat would burst. |
> Capablanca was involved in a well-known game of chess with either > Kaufmann or Fahndrich or both, and either in consultation or not with > Tartakower or R�ti or neither at a location somewhere in Europe > (possibly Vienna) some time before during or after the First or Second > World War. I can't help you with that, I'm afraid, but may I ask if anyone has the slightest idea what Chernev means when he gives game 27 in `The 62 Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played' as being `Tarrasch--Mieses, Schottlander--Paulsen, von Bardeleben--Riemann, von Scheve--von Gottschall, Leipzig 1888'? Is it a four-against-four consultation game? Dave. -- David Richerby Swiss Spoon (TM): it's like a piece of www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ cutlery but it's made in Switzerland! |
David Richerby wrote: > I can't help you with that, I'm afraid, but may I ask if anyone has the > slightest idea what Chernev means when he gives game 27 in `The 62 Most > Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played' as being `Tarrasch--Mieses, > Schottlander--Paulsen, von Bardeleben--Riemann, von Scheve--von > Gottschall, Leipzig 1888'? Is it a four-against-four consultation game? It is. The chess club Augustea of Leipzig celebrated their 40th anniversary that year, December 2-8, with one 'meisterturnier' and one 'hauptturnier'. On December 8, which I think was the last day of the celebrations, two consultation games were held, the first with *all* players in the meisterturnier (v. Bardeleben, v. Scheve, Schottl�nder, Tarrasch against v. Gottschall, Mieses, Paulsen, Riemann) -- and that's W. Paulsen in case you wonder -- and the second one with players from the hauptturnier players (Reinglass, Roegner, Varain vs. Eckart, Goering, Steif). The first game was played at 20 moves / hour. White used 2h10m, Black 2h55m. Can't find any information about the second, except that White won. I'm sure there must have been an anniversary book from the club, with more information -- I'm relying on the report in Deutsche Schachzeitung 1889 (January & February issues). -- Anders Thulin ath*algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~ath |
> David Richerby wrote: >> may I ask if anyone has the slightest idea what Chernev means when he >> gives game 27 in `The 62 Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played' >> as being `Tarrasch--Mieses, Schottlander--Paulsen, von Bardeleben-- >> Riemann, von Scheve--von Gottschall, Leipzig 1888'? Is it a four- >> against-four consultation game? > > It is. [...] Thank you -- you are a veritable mine of information. It's somewhat confusing that Chernev occasionally refers to one side or the other as `he'. If anyone would like me to post the moves of the game, just yell. Dave. -- David Richerby Permanent Whisky (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ single-malt whisky but it'll be there for ever! |
> Capablanca was involved in a well-known game of chess with either Kaufmann > or Fahndrich or both, and either in consultation or not with Tartakower or > R�ti or neither at a location somewhere in Europe (possibly Vienna) some > time before during or after the First or Second World War. > > Does anyone have any details - especially the game in pgn. > > Alan > Here is the game, which I found in Euwe's Development of Chess Style. It is also in Chessbase, but incorrectly attributed to only Capablanca and Kaufmann. The reason for this may be that, as I've read elsewhere, after the 14th move, Reti let Capablanca finish it. I have included Reti's comments, which are historically insightful, and a final one by Euwe himself. Fahndrich & Kaufmann - Capablanca & Reti [C01] Vienna Vienna, 1914 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.exd5 exd5 5.Bd3 c5 6.dxc5 Bxc5 7.Nf3 0-0 8.0-0 Nc6 9.Bg5 Be6 10.Ne2 h6 11.Bh4 Bg4 12.Nc3 Nd4 13.Be2 Nxe2+ 14.Qxe2 "A position was arrived at here in which the opportunity presented itself to develop a hitherto undeveloped piece and indeed with an attack. The move 14...Re8 would have had that effect and was in accordance with the principles prevailing when I grew up and which corresponded almost entirely with Morphy's principles (for he would, without considering, have chosen that move). To my great astonishment Capablanca would not even consider the move at all. Finally he discovered the following manoeuvre by means of which he forced a deterioration of White's pawn position and thereby later on his defeat." (Reti) 14...Bd4 15.Qd3 Bxc3 16.Qxc3 Ne4 17.Qd4 g5 18.Ne5 Bf5 19.f3 gxh4 20.fxe4 Bxe4 21.Rf2 h3 22.Re1 f5 23.gxh3 Qf6 24.Nf3 Kh7 25.Qxf6 Rxf6 26.Re3 Rb6 27.b3 Re8 28.Nd4 Rf6 29.Rf4 Kg6 30.c3 Kg5 31.Ne2 Ra6 32.h4+ Kf6 33.a4 b5 34.axb5 Ra1+ 35.Rf1 Rxf1+ 36.Kxf1 Ke5 37.Nd4 f4 38.Rh3 Rg8 39.Ke1 Rg1+ 40.Ke2 Rg2+ 41.Kf1 Ra2 42.Ke1 h5 43.Kd1 Bf5 44.Nxf5 Kxf5 45.c4 Ke4 46.Rc3 f3 47.Ke1 d4 "With this game began a revolution in my conviction as to the wisdom of the old principle, according to which in the opening every move should develop another piece. I studied Capablanca's games and realised that contrary to all the masters of that period he had for some time ceased to adhere to that principle." (Reti) "Here, however, we must add that we do not unreservedly agree with Reti's judgement on th is remarkable game, for it is not clear that the advantage obtained from the manoeuvre 14... Bd4 is absolutely forced." (Euwe) 0-1 |
> The reason for this may be that, as I've read elsewhere, after > the 14th move, Reti let Capablanca finish it. I should correct that. I meant "Reti may have let Capablanca finish it himself." |
>> Capablanca was involved in a well-known game of chess with either Kaufmann >> or Fahndrich or both, and either in consultation or not with Tartakower or >> R�ti or neither at a location somewhere in Europe (possibly Vienna) some Bob Lablaw: > Here is the game, which I found in Euwe's Development of Chess Style. It The game also appears in _The Unknown Capablanca_. One of the notes mentions that, in regard to black's 14th move, Reti "discusses the matter at some length in his book _Modern Ideas in Chess_". -- Charles Allen |