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Date: 24 Mar 2005 12:40:52
From: WRobinson
Subject: Chess masters that came from poverty
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Hi!
What are the most famous chess masters that where very poor in their
infancy?
P.S.: Sorry for the bad english...
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Date: 24 Mar 2005 16:42:12
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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On 24 Mar 2005 12:40:52 -0800, "WRobinson" <[email protected] > wrote:
>Hi!
>
>What are the most famous chess masters that where very poor in their
>infancy?
>
>P.S.: Sorry for the bad english...
>
>[]s
Sultan Khan was a slave.
EZoto
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Date: 24 Mar 2005 13:05:06
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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WRobinson wrote:
> What are the most famous chess masters that
> where very poor in their infancy?
Akiba Rubinstein
Regards,
-- Wlod
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Date: 25 Mar 2005 14:53:47
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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Dirty troll "Nick" Boobaki presents his belly button again:
> My quotations here (apart from some typographical
> errors) always have been accurate, and no one has
> ever cited any evidence to prove otherwise.
Half of the time Boobaki abuses the quotes,
using and abusing them for his demagogical
tricks. Boobaki is a cheap propaganda troll.
Even in this thread, in which he had a chance to
post cleanly he had to make the above misleading
statement (and in general to talk some nonsense
of his, to prove that he is a moron). What a low
creature!
Wlod
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Date: 25 Mar 2005 14:15:50
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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Nick wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > EZoto wrote:
> > > Sultan Khan was a slave.
>
> That's not true.
Mir Sultan Khan was *not* owned by his employer,
who had no legal right to sell him to anyone.
> > It might be more accurate to call him a servant;
>
> It would be far more accurate to refer to
> Mir Sultan Khan as a servant.
>
> > I believe he was generally treated better than the
> > word "slave" connotes to most people.
>
> As far as I know, Mir Sultan Khan evidently was treated
> as well as many British servants in the United Kingdom
> during that period.
'As well as' means 'no worse than' in this context.
> 'I am the perfect servant; I have no life.'
> --from the film 'Gosford Park'
>
> > Upon the death of his master, Colonel Nawab Sir Umar Hayat
> > Khan, he was bequeathed a small farm to which he retired.
>
> In that respect, Mir Sultan Khan was treated more generously
> than many British servants were treated after giving many
> years of faithful service to their employers.
>
> > But it certainly seems accurate to say he came from poverty.
>
> The meaning of 'poverty' should be considered in an
> international comparative context. According to United
> States standards of affluence, probably most Soviet
> grandmasters would be regarded as having grown up in
> 'poverty'. But were most of them considered 'disadvantaged'
> when compared to one another in their own society?
>
> As I recall reading (I can quote the text if required),
> in his book, "Soviet Chess: 1917-1991", GM Andrew Soltis
> wrote that Tigran Petrosian had grown up in poverty even
> when considered by the standards of the USSR.
"When he (Tigran Petrosian) returned in triumph to
Armenia, it was virtually a national holiday....
More than 100,000 people filled a huge square in Yerevan
to greet the new champion and his wife. People hugged
and kissed one another. After a huge ovation, Petrosian
and Rona...They witnessed a vast collecting of money--
everyone present chipped in 10 rubles. For half an
hour the collection boxes were passed until more than
million rubles were collected for the new world champion.
*Petrosian, the dvornik's son who had been poor since
childhood even by Soviet standards* burst into tears."
--Andrew Soltis (Soviet Chess: 1917-1991, p. 261)
My quotations here (apart from some typographical errors)
always have been accurate, and no one has ever cited any
evidence to prove otherwise.
> Freeman Dyson once asked an audience of academics for
> a show of hands in response to these questions:
>
> 1) Did your grandmother employ any domestic servants?
> Many of the academics raised their hands.
> 2) Was your grandmother employed as a domestic servant?
> Hardly any of the academics raised their hands.
>
> Fortunately, it's possible for someone of working-class
> origins (including a close friend of mine) to succeed in
> an academic career. For instance, Ian Hancock, who's
> of Romani (Gypsy) heritage, grew up in the UK with no
> expectations, at first, of pursuing higher education,
> let alone an academic career. Ian Hancock has become
> an eminent scholar of Romani Studies.
>
> --Nick
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 12:24:17
From: WRobinson
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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Did you have any history showing how it affected him? I'm looking for
things that happened to them and how they dealed with it (a sort of
"optimistic tales" or "inspirational tales" -- I don't know if this is
the correct name, I want to show it to some children that has hard
lives, as an example and inspiration).
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Date: 06 Apr 2005 01:05:48
From: matt -`;'-
Subject: Re: Chess masters that came from poverty
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Have you looked into Leonid Stein? I have a book that covers his life some along with his impressive games. He started out from
poverty, served in the service, worked in a factory, and worked his way up to GM. The story is inspiring and games awesome! The
book: Leonid Stein Master of Risk Strategy
-matt
"WRobinson" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Hi!
>
> What are the most famous chess masters that where very poor in their
> infancy?
>
> P.S.: Sorry for the bad english...
>
> []s
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