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Date: 11 Nov 2008 23:05:59
From: Starry Gift
Subject: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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Hi all,
Anyone who is good at chess or backgammon here? I got hold of the
original inventor of 'Deep Blue' chess computer. If anyone want to
share some of your experience in playing chess, lets leave a reply in
here.
By the way I am reselling some nice chess and you can find it here:
http://www.starryt.com/store/index.php?cPath=77_79_80_84
Best wishes,
Peter
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StarryGift
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Date: 16 Nov 2008 00:17:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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> =A0 Okay, I finally broke down and tried to
> play a game at GetClub again, but even
> after enabling pop-ups and so forth, my
> machine rejected the "active X" control
> because it has no verifiable signature.
> Once again, you are not in conformance
> with accepted programming standards.
The game uses an Applet. There is no ActiveX at all. It only needs
Java to run the program.
Do you have Java 1.5 or latest version installed? Try again later.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 15 Nov 2008 23:07:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 16, 12:29=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> You can write a book on it. Write it may be it become a good seller
> like "Harry Potter". I too have interest in Science Fiction.
Ah, then you might enjoy the course I was
talking about, as the professor crafted his
work around the central idea that the USA
represents near-perfection!
Okay, I finally broke down and tried to
play a game at GetClub again, but even
after enabling pop-ups and so forth, my
machine rejected the "active X" control
because it has no verifiable signature.
Once again, you are not in conformance
with accepted programming standards.
If you are thinking of advising people to
circumvent all security standards, think
again. The problem is with GetClub,
not the whole world! (This reminds me
of the story about a man who went
around saying the whole world stinks;
tuned out he just had mustard above
his lip... .)
-- help bot
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Date: 15 Nov 2008 21:29:43
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 15, 7:40=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 14, 8:54=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You do not have a comuter at your home?
>
> =A0 I have several computers, in fact, but not a
> single commuter at my home.
>
> > Nowadays Computers are as cheap as mobiles. Get some old decent
> > computer at homer and play Chess at Night.
>
> =A0 Rumors that I might be a vampire are greatly
> exaggerated. =A0True, I often awaken at dusk and
> go to bed at dawn, but I have never -- repeat,
> never -- liked the taste of blood, and even garlic
> has no effect on me (apart from giving me bad
> breath).
>
> > I know playing Chess at Library is not a good thing to do. Are you
> > studing in some College?
>
> =A0 No, no, no-- I've said "goodbye to all that".
>
> =A0 I have been watching some DVDs lately, on a
> variety of subjects in which top-rated Ivy League
> professors of greatness expound on their ideas.
>
> =A0 But the trouble with these guys is they don't
> quite seem to know their stuff. =A0In many cases,
> there is more of "religion" than reason to their
> politics. =A0For instance, one of these chaps has
> ancient Greece as being ruled by the people,
> and just brushes off annoying facts like slavery
> and such as irrelevancies; of course, not one
> of the slaves got a say in this, since they didn't
> have time to sit 'round discussing philosophy
> and writing books for us to consider their point
> of view.
>
> =A0 I went to Wikipedia and typed in a few words
> like democracy, plutocracy, etc., just to see
> what might come up. =A0 =A0Lo and behold, the
> name "Greece" popped up under just what
> logic and reason would have one expect-- not
> under what my Ivy League superstar prof. was
> expounding! =A0 And that was just one of a
> multitude of insanities in his lectures (which
> are quite entertaining, nonetheless).
>
> =A0 I found the same problems with my courses
> on science, only here it's not politics but
> religion, and also reason, that are at the root
> of the problems. =A0You might be surprised to
> learn that more than a few are battling with
> creationists over the theory of evolution, right
> smack in the middle of their lectures on
> science.
>
> =A0 But that is not the biggest problem; far
> more worrisome is the short shrift these
> fellows give to reason when dealing with the
> unknown. =A0Instead of admitting that we in
> fact do not know very many things, they
> consistently imagine that we do-- and
> expound on just how certain scientists are
> of the tiniest details of their imaginary
> knowledge!
>
> =A0 This is gravely disappointing, and serves
> as confirmation of one point made by the
> entertaining professor I described earlier:
> that we do not learn from history. =A0In fact,
> so-called scientists have always imagined
> that they knew things they did not, and
> this seems to be unchanging, an eternal
> weakness of humankind (myself excepted).
>
> =A0 -- help bot
You can write a book on it. Write it may be it become a good seller
like "Harry Potter". I too have interest in Science Fiction.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Nov 2008 18:40:03
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 14, 8:54=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> You do not have a comuter at your home?
I have several computers, in fact, but not a
single commuter at my home.
> Nowadays Computers are as cheap as mobiles. Get some old decent
> computer at homer and play Chess at Night.
Rumors that I might be a vampire are greatly
exaggerated. True, I often awaken at dusk and
go to bed at dawn, but I have never -- repeat,
never -- liked the taste of blood, and even garlic
has no effect on me (apart from giving me bad
breath).
> I know playing Chess at Library is not a good thing to do. Are you
> studing in some College?
No, no, no-- I've said "goodbye to all that".
I have been watching some DVDs lately, on a
variety of subjects in which top-rated Ivy League
professors of greatness expound on their ideas.
But the trouble with these guys is they don't
quite seem to know their stuff. In many cases,
there is more of "religion" than reason to their
politics. For instance, one of these chaps has
ancient Greece as being ruled by the people,
and just brushes off annoying facts like slavery
and such as irrelevancies; of course, not one
of the slaves got a say in this, since they didn't
have time to sit 'round discussing philosophy
and writing books for us to consider their point
of view.
I went to Wikipedia and typed in a few words
like democracy, plutocracy, etc., just to see
what might come up. Lo and behold, the
name "Greece" popped up under just what
logic and reason would have one expect-- not
under what my Ivy League superstar prof. was
expounding! And that was just one of a
multitude of insanities in his lectures (which
are quite entertaining, nonetheless).
I found the same problems with my courses
on science, only here it's not politics but
religion, and also reason, that are at the root
of the problems. You might be surprised to
learn that more than a few are battling with
creationists over the theory of evolution, right
smack in the middle of their lectures on
science.
But that is not the biggest problem; far
more worrisome is the short shrift these
fellows give to reason when dealing with the
unknown. Instead of admitting that we in
fact do not know very many things, they
consistently imagine that we do-- and
expound on just how certain scientists are
of the tiniest details of their imaginary
knowledge!
This is gravely disappointing, and serves
as confirmation of one point made by the
entertaining professor I described earlier:
that we do not learn from history. In fact,
so-called scientists have always imagined
that they knew things they did not, and
this seems to be unchanging, an eternal
weakness of humankind (myself excepted).
-- help bot
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Date: 14 Nov 2008 05:54:14
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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> =A0 I had a high-speed wireless connection for perhaps
> a year, then things went sour. =A0More recently, I've
> been posting (or NOT posting) from a public library,
> where computer time is restricted. =A0In any case, my
> time used to be spent reading in-depth articles about
> such things as "peak oil" and whatnot; now, I just
> delete those redundant re-re-rehashes and move on
> to other things. =A0I no longer spend countless hours
> sitting at my computer.
You do not have a comuter at your home?
Nowadays Computers are as cheap as mobiles. Get some old decent
computer at homer and play Chess at Night.
I know playing Chess at Library is not a good thing to do. Are you
studing in some College?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 14 Nov 2008 19:41:42
From: thumbody..
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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help bot wrote:
.
> The funny thing about Sanny's questions is that at
> one time, the strongest chess programs were in fact
> unavailable to the public. Now, he need merely go to
> a Web site and click his mouse (heels) a few times
> to get the strongest chess player of all time.
Yes, yes. I suppose if you are a struggling untouchable from Nairobi or
Bollywood for examps. trying to feed a family of 11 on fried rat &
dung-cake you might consider Sarnie's innocent queries somewhat
amusing..
I on the other hand consider him nothing more than a painful little
squirt who'd happily see tall white men live where tall white men
shouldn't live, but let's not go there oh ghost who has risen & now
feels fit enough to promenade..
Back to the main drag. Anyone within coo-ee of what we're on about here
knows that Gary K. had two bites @ the deep, deep, deep - ultramarine -
cherry, & that in the first instance he prevailed going orf smiling with
his mommy to the local corner Cartier store & that a coupla yrs. later
when Hsu had achieved POWER & overall direction of the IBM ultramarine
project & invited Garrikins back for a rematch - it ended in tears,
gazza lost but still pocketed $750,000 of ibm's hard-earned moolah as a
solve to his hurtin' human pride..
Cheap shit? you tell me. Seems to me that after this contrived debacle
entities like Hydra & Rybka proliferated, causing much consternation
amongst the cognisentti, leading to an increase in mediocre chess-play
world wide..
Yeah! - err. the chess-world hangs for the return of a contemporary
Morphy or someone so scintillatingly, sonorous & sinecured that his
every breath, utterance & movement is held forth & heralded as mankinds
rightful return to a plaice of what..
Like for example chappies...... what was the name of the first ibm
ultramarine supa-mainframe chess-playing & (ai - enhanced) computer that
G.K. trashed & dissed? - ah! such pathos..
Omnia Vanitas..
t.
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 22:48:57
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 14, 12:13=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > =A0Help Bot have you got enough energy to beat GetClub Beginner / Eas=
y
> > > Levels?
> > =A0 At this time, my internet connection is hit-or-miss,
> > but I can try. =A0 I reinstalled Windows not long ago, and
> > things are now running as smooth as silk-- do I dare risk
> > mucking up the works by exposing my machine to the
> > "army of bugs" of GetClub? =A0Hmm... .
> There are no more bugs.
Perhaps you have simply gotten confused, and meant
to say: "there are no WMDs"?
> And even if there is a bug that will not harm
> your computer.
Irrelevant; you just testified that there weren't any more
bugs, so even if they might create a "mushroom cloud",
it would not matter one iota to any computer in the world.
> Browser do not give any power to an applet.
Ever heard of the law of unintended consequences?
Suppose I were to place a cup of coffee by my
computer station here in the nuclear power plant, and
it somehow got knocked over. Then a crucial
temperature gauge sticks and we have a meltdown.
Radiation seeps downward, deeper and deeper, until
finally, it comes out the other side of the world
(somewhere near India?).
> The maximum think that can happen due to a bug is that the applet do
> not load or hangs your Browser.
But... you just said there were no more bugs.
> And once you close the browser the problem is gone.
Okay, but my computer appears to have only 512K,
and it is prone to nervous breakdown if subjected to
stress.
> You have already played 450 games against GetClub. I do not think
> there will be any bug problem now.
We can import them for you if you want. Here in
the USA, we have this one beetle imported from
Japan) that eats roses and numerous other
"ornamentals", and you can have all you can
catch, for free. That's right-- free!
> As Bugs only comes when the GetClub program is modified for
> improvements.
Yeah, I know what you mean. We were working on
a few of these "improvements" down in South America
when a few of our bees got away. Now they want to
rule the world, so we are doing away with all bees, no
matter where they're from. I can't tell you how were
doing it, but our program is wiping out the bees, and
soon our company will make a fortune from doing
what the bees have always done for free-- polinating
plants.
> Why is your internet connection slow you should get a broadband.
> Nowadays Broadband is cheaper than dialup connection.
I had a high-speed wireless connection for perhaps
a year, then things went sour. More recently, I've
been posting (or NOT posting) from a public library,
where computer time is restricted. In any case, my
time used to be spent reading in-depth articles about
such things as "peak oil" and whatnot; now, I just
delete those redundant re-re-rehashes and move on
to other things. I no longer spend countless hours
sitting at my computer.
-- help bot
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 21:13:40
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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> > Help Bot have you got enough energy to beat GetClub Beginner / Easy
> > Levels?
>
> =A0 At this time, my internet connection is hit-or-miss,
> but I can try. =A0 I reinstalled Windows not long ago, and
> things are now running as smooth as silk-- do I dare risk
> mucking up the works by exposing my machine to the
> "army of bugs" of GetClub? =A0Hmm... .
There are no more bugs. And even if there is a bug that will not harm
your computer. Browser do not give any power to an applet.
The maximum think that can happen due to a bug is that the applet do
not load or hangs your Browser. And once you close the browser the
problem is gone.
You have already played 450 games against GetClub. I do not think
there will be any bug problem now.
As Bugs only comes when the GetClub program is modified for
improvements. Once players report me the Bug the Bugs are removed in
1-2 days.
Why is your internet connection slow you should get a broadband.
Nowadays Broadband is cheaper than dialup connection.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 14:58:55
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 13, 9:41=A0am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Is Deep Blue a super computer or
> > a program that can tun on any computer.
> =A0 Deep Blue was a dedicated machine, that is, both hardware and
> software were designed for the single purpose of playing chess. There
> is no Deep Blue program for PCs.
> =A0 Contrary to some reports
A whole lot of them, in fact...
> it was not dismantled after the 1997 match
> with GK. On page 265 of his book, Hsu wrote "As of this writing [i.e.
> 2002] Deep Blue is still alive and kicking in IBM Research ... Deep
> Blue no longer has all the chess cards that it used in the rematch ...
> [It] is being used mainly for research projects unrelated to chess."
This comment is not only dated, but it also appears to
contradict the one above which stated that DB was a
program designed specifically to play chess and nothing
else.
In any case, there are *several different machines* in
which FH was involved, or which might well be thrown
together in our collective memories. Deep Thought, Deep
Blue, and I believe there was also a Deeper Blue-- each
of which might have suffered a very different fate. I think
DT was modified while retaining the same name, so
even the name does not necessarily nail things down.
I for one am not surprised to find statements which
appear to be self-contradictory, for it seemed that back
when Mr. Hyatt was prodded to reveal how much his
chess program relied on speed and power as opposed
to knowledge, he often gave /very different answers/
based on what he thought would make him look good
at the moment.
For instance, if he were (hypothetically) offered a job
to transfer his chess program to the Apple Mac for the
sum of ten million dollars, his answer could look
something like: "No problemo!"; whereas if he were
(hypothetically) accused of being a hack whose claim
to fame resulted purely from having access to a Cray
supercomputer, his answer might resemble this: "I
don't deny that the Cray is fast, BUT I am one bad
dude, and it is simply impossible to separate the
Cray from my world champion chess program. It can't
be done-- no way, no how. Not in a million years."
Because of this sort of thing, I have gravitated away
from over-reliance on what people say in favor of what
they do, or what can be determined as fact, not
hearsay. At one time I read a piece which claimed
that parts of DB (or one its brothers) now reside in
the Smithsonian... but you know how those so-called
interviews go: no tough questions (as even wannabee
journalist nearly-IMnes has pointed out).
The funny thing about Sanny's questions is that at
one time, the strongest chess programs were in fact
unavailable to the public. Now, he need merely go to
a Web site and click his mouse (heels) a few times
to get the strongest chess player of all time.
-- help bot
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 14:27:03
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 13, 2:08=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Feng-Hsiung Hsu developed Deep Blue?
Developed is a namby-pamby word. FS *created* DB;
he is the creator -- a god of sorts.
> Is Deep Blue a super computer or a program that can tun on
any computer.
It was a fancy-hardware chess program, and no, it can't
run on your Radio Sack TRS-80.
> I think he must have spent million dollar in creating Deep Blue. Whats
> the stage of Deep blue now?
Deceased. They even dismembered him out of fear that
Bobby Fischer might one day return.
> Help Bot have you got enough energy to beat GetClub Beginner / Easy
> Levels?
At this time, my internet connection is hit-or-miss,
but I can try. I reinstalled Windows not long ago, and
things are now running as smooth as silk-- do I dare risk
mucking up the works by exposing my machine to the
"army of bugs" of GetClub? Hmm... .
-- help bot
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 06:41:48
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 13, 2:08=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Feng-Hsiung Hsu developed Deep Blue?
No one man can be given sole credit for developing Deep Blue; it was
a team effort. But Hsu played perhaps the most important role, as
system architect and chip designer. He wrote a very good book about it
a few years ago, which is reviewed here: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/revi=
ew359.pdf
> Is Deep Blue a super computer or
> a program that can tun on any computer.
Deep Blue was a dedicated machine, that is, both hardware and
software were designed for the single purpose of playing chess. There
is no Deep Blue program for PCs.
> I think he must have spent million dollar in creating Deep Blue.
I'm not sure what was spent on development, but I'd guess that with
what they received for the two matches with Kasparov, the project
showed a profit.
> Whats
> the stage of Deep blue now?
Contrary to some reports, it was not dismantled after the 1997 match
with GK. On page 265 of his book, Hsu wrote "As of this writing [i.e.
2002] Deep Blue is still alive and kicking in IBM Research ... Deep
Blue no longer has all the chess cards that it used in the rematch ...
[It] is being used mainly for research projects unrelated to chess."
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 23:08:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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> =A0 Isn't it obvious? =A0He's kidnapped Mr. Hsu to hold him
> for ransom. =A0This may be the same guy who tried to
> kidnap me, only to find that Sanny could not raise
> more than four drachma. =A0Naturally, I escaped with
> only a few minor bruises, but it took me a while to
> figure out where I was because there were so many
> bears that I mistakenly assumed I was in Yellowstone
> (it was actually just the New York Stock Exchange).
Feng-Hsiung Hsu developed Deep Blue? Is Deep Blue a super computer or
a program that can tun on any computer.
I think he must have spent million dollar in creating Deep Blue. Whats
the stage of Deep blue now?
Help Bot have you got enough energy to beat GetClub Beginner / Easy
Levels?
I think its a month back you played the last game.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
You can finish a game with Beginner in 15 min.
You can finish a game with Easy in 60 min.
You can finish a game with Normal in 4 hours.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Nov 2008 00:02:40
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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Deep Blue is not around any more ..
I bet YOUTUBE mite have Kasporove getting up and walking fast ( running
) away from the table when he lost ..
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 13:14:21
From: help bot
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 12, 11:31=A0am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I got hold of the
> > original inventor of 'Deep Blue' chess computer.
> =A0 You "got hold" of Feng-Hsiung Hsu? In what sense?
Isn't it obvious? He's kidnapped Mr. Hsu to hold him
for ransom. This may be the same guy who tried to
kidnap me, only to find that Sanny could not raise
more than four drachma. Naturally, I escaped with
only a few minor bruises, but it took me a while to
figure out where I was because there were so many
bears that I mistakenly assumed I was in Yellowstone
(it was actually just the New York Stock Exchange).
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 08:31:36
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: 'Deep Blue' chess computer
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On Nov 12, 2:05=A0am, Starry Gift <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I got hold of the
> original inventor of 'Deep Blue' chess computer.
You "got hold" of Feng-Hsiung Hsu? In what sense?
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