Main Date: 31 May 2008 09:32:21 From: samsloan Subject: Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice Things are really heating up and it is going to be interesting as Ed Labate and Ed Trice threaten each other. I do not know either of them so I have no opinion as to who is right, but Ed Labate has been involved in chess both as a book seller and as a tournament organizer for at least 40 years whereas Ed Trice is a recently arrived huxter, so I am inclined to believe that Ed Labate is right and Ed Trice is a fraud. On the other hand, Ed Labate filed a frivolous lawsuit against the USCF around 25 years ago for refusing to list his tournaments in the TLA section of Chess Life and was paid a settlement of $30,000. Ed Trice gets favorable mention for revealing that Rob "The Robber" Mitchell was trying to scam him for $35,000. Ed Trice has received a lot of favorable publicity on the Polgar websites. Read the following websites and formulate your own opinion: The Gothic Chess Federation re: Ed Labate http://www.gothicchess.com/labate.html Labate Chess re: Ed Trice http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html Dear Ed Trice may be in a lot of trouble. As "My 61 Memorable Games" by Bobby Fischer goes from a mystery to a hoax ... US Chess Federation My 61 Memorable Games: A Mystery by GM Larry Evans February 1, 2008 http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8175/431 US Chess Federation My 61 Memorable Games: A Hoax by GM Larry Evans April 10, 2008 http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8333/446 Blame is casted and scapegoats are sought (including a criminal complaint with the FBI) ... Chess Ninja Daily Dirt Fischer Book http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2007/12/fischer_book_for_real.htm Fischer's My 61 Memorable Games Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/browse_thread/thread/18cd6eed1a0b0851/50d6ec973d0f119f?lnk=raot#50d6ec973d0f119f Positions are declared, reputations are staked and a 10-count libel lawsuit is filed ... The Gothic Chess Forum re: Ed Labate page 1 http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=779ceae97b7a8c0b046a7c6613362bcf&showtopic=422&st=0 page 2 http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?s=71c84948aacc5ba3afae879d554dedc6&showtopic=422&st=15   Date: 16 Sep 2008 17:54:19 From: help bot Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again Chess One wrote: > Having [almost] wrestled Taylor Kingston to the ground recently, in order to > get him to talk chess, rather than refer to personalities, [his and > Kasparov's, in that order], all that is lacking is attention to content > rather than personalities. > > I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think > personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in chess. > But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? Note to Dr. IMnes, the wannabe chess guy: the first step in your program to promote "talking chess, not personalities" would be for you, the sole founder of the movement, to do so. -- help bot President, Dr. IMnes Talks Chess fan club   Date: 16 Sep 2008 11:29:58 From: help bot Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again On Sep 16, 12:55=A0am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com > wrote: > The CJA stuff is interesting. However, having Daren Dillinger write > about "character of those who volunteer for leadership positions" is > like Sam Sloan criticizing Lehman Brothers. For those who don't know, Lehman Brothers refers to a large company which has just filed bankruptcy, having knuckled under due to the (over)use of leverage during the Greenspan Housing Bubble, which has now "popped". Mr. Sloan and I made quite a bit of money on the way down, first betting that the stock would not go up, then later betting on its decline. As I write this, I have puts on for a price of minus $110 per share, and if the price had not stopped right at $0, I could've been rich. Mr. Sloan expects to make his fortune on the way back up, having bought Jan 2010 calls at a strike price of + $110, which offsets my risk using something called "allocated diversification modeling", which we paid Rob Mitchell $5,000 to develop for us. -- help bot   Date: 16 Sep 2008 06:07:36 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again On Sep 16, 7:51=A0am, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Sep 16, 7:22=A0am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think > > personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in che= ss. > > But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? > > Saith the Keene-worshipper. P Innes worships anyone who will treat him as if he were important. So few people do.     Date: 16 Sep 2008 16:56:51 From: Brian Lafferty Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again The Historian wrote: > On Sep 16, 7:51 am, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sep 16, 7:22 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think >>> personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in chess. >>> But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? >> Saith the Keene-worshipper. > > P Innes worships anyone who will treat him as if he were important. So > few people do. So perhaps we should collectively treat him as a VIP and see what we can get him to do for us?       Date: 16 Sep 2008 19:53:09 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com > wrote in message news:nzRzk.258$MN3.219@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... > The Historian wrote: >> On Sep 16, 7:51 am, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sep 16, 7:22 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think >>>> personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in >>>> chess. >>>> But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? >>> Saith the Keene-worshipper. >> >> P Innes worships anyone who will treat him as if he were important. So >> few people do. > > So perhaps we should collectively treat him as a VIP and see what we can > get him to do for us? MORE WHINE? oo groovy! the Brain has come to organise the chaps again ! ;))))) maybe he could talk more with DR RD who is always a scream, and hob-nob with little neil, so he won't yap at group members (after all, what could he envy?) taylor's a cert, just don't ask him what the middle one was, Otto and not forgetting deep-spinrad, he who announced before [?] knowing what was in bill goichberg's secret e-mails - that it was nothing to resign over i forgot mike murray, whose own deepness surpasses ordinary understanding, extraordinary too, in fact all understanding help-bot is merely mercenary-negative and he will play along, thinking its his game and can be discarded later when he still will ;( same with ethics-john of the CAJ since... well, no need to explain but gosh! can 9 net-chicks be wrong? i sometimes feel as though net-chicks think even their chess ratings are cumulative if they add 'em together let the vagueries begin! chess itself being a topic too rigorous for group-9 to attend to for more than arf a post, init? then its boy-bitchin in the basement lovely stuff! and only public in america! cordially! phil innes         Date: 16 Sep 2008 23:56:11 From: Brian Lafferty Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again Chess One wrote: > "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:nzRzk.258$MN3.219@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... >> The Historian wrote: >>> On Sep 16, 7:51 am, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sep 16, 7:22 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think >>>>> personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in >>>>> chess. >>>>> But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? >>>> Saith the Keene-worshipper. >>> P Innes worships anyone who will treat him as if he were important. So >>> few people do. >> So perhaps we should collectively treat him as a VIP and see what we can >> get him to do for us? > > MORE WHINE? Whine for you. Wine for us. > > oo groovy! the Brain has come to organise the chaps again ! ;))))) > > maybe he could talk more with DR RD who is always a scream, > > and hob-nob with little neil, so he won't yap at group members (after all, > what could he envy?) > > taylor's a cert, just don't ask him what the middle one was, Otto > > and not forgetting deep-spinrad, he who announced before [?] knowing > what was in bill goichberg's secret e-mails - that it was nothing to resign > over > > i forgot mike murray, whose own deepness surpasses ordinary understanding, > extraordinary too, in fact all understanding > > help-bot is merely mercenary-negative > and he will play along, thinking its his game > and can be discarded later > when he still will ;( > > same with ethics-john of the CAJ > since... well, no need to explain > > but gosh! can 9 net-chicks be wrong? > > i sometimes feel as though net-chicks think even their > chess ratings are cumulative if they add 'em together > > let the vagueries begin! > > chess itself being a topic too rigorous for group-9 > to attend to for more than arf a post, init? > > then its boy-bitchin in the basement > > lovely stuff! and only public in america! > > cordially! phil innes Lots of people to drink wine with. Not many for you to whine with. > >       Date: 16 Sep 2008 12:06:46 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:56:51 GMT, Brian Lafferty <blafferty@nowhere.com > wrote: >> P Innes worships anyone who will treat him as if he were important. So >> few people do. >So perhaps we should collectively treat him as a VIP and see what we can >get him to do for us? Would asking the fat kid with coke bottle glasses to pitch really help the team? (Well, maybe if he's Rhyne Duren...)   Date: 16 Sep 2008 05:51:28 From: SBD Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again On Sep 16, 7:22=A0am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net > wrote: > I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think > personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in chess= . > But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? Saith the Keene-worshipper.   Date: 15 Sep 2008 21:55:46 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again On Sep 15, 5:32=A0pm, jkh...@aim.com wrote: > Chess One wrote: > > "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:da1abbd4-77dc-4d56-8ad1-90c341c41e0f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com..= . > > Can't we get this thread back to its original topic?? > > > by all means, fresh off the press - enjoy! > > >http://www.chessville.com/Editorials/GettingStraightfromtheGetGo.htm > > > Phil Innes > > Wasn't the original topic of this thread something about Ed Labate and > Ed Trice? The CJA stuff crept in when poor little Phil got miffed that > he wasn't allowed to hang with the cool kids. The CJA stuff is interesting. However, having Daren Dillinger write about "character of those who volunteer for leadership positions" is like Sam Sloan criticizing Lehman Brothers.   Date: 15 Sep 2008 15:32:03 From: Subject: Phil the fool raves again Chess One wrote: > "samsloan" <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:da1abbd4-77dc-4d56-8ad1-90c341c41e0f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > Can't we get this thread back to its original topic?? > > > by all means, fresh off the press - enjoy! > > http://www.chessville.com/Editorials/GettingStraightfromtheGetGo.htm > > > Phil Innes Wasn't the original topic of this thread something about Ed Labate and Ed Trice? The CJA stuff crept in when poor little Phil got miffed that he wasn't allowed to hang with the cool kids.     Date: 16 Sep 2008 08:22:18 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Phil the fool raves again Ace journalist John somebody or other, a CJA hack, asks a question about a thread titled "CJA, decline and denial". You read it here folks! But ace journalist John somebody is good enough to actually //demonstrate// good-ol' boy CJA tactics, or is it intelligence? And why this USCF-feeder mechanism has brought us all so very low... The Chessville link below is written by a CJA insider, an officer, no less! Having [almost] wrestled Taylor Kingston to the ground recently, in order to get him to talk chess, rather than refer to personalities, [his and Kasparov's, in that order], all that is lacking is attention to content rather than personalities. I know it's all about personality is some regions, but I don't think personalities of commentators actually preceed anyone's interest in chess. But who knows? If that's all you know, I guess that's all you do? Phil Innes <jkh001@aim.com > wrote in message news:c5a2772e-9b7d-43ee-9b5e-c8d92d67740c@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > Chess One wrote: >> "samsloan" <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:da1abbd4-77dc-4d56-8ad1-90c341c41e0f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> Can't we get this thread back to its original topic?? >> >> >> by all means, fresh off the press - enjoy! >> >> http://www.chessville.com/Editorials/GettingStraightfromtheGetGo.htm >> >> >> Phil Innes > > > Wasn't the original topic of this thread something about Ed Labate and > Ed Trice? The CJA stuff crept in when poor little Phil got miffed that > he wasn't allowed to hang with the cool kids.   Date: 14 Sep 2008 12:32:18 From: samsloan Subject: Re: CJA, decline and de Nile Can't we get this thread back to its original topic?? On Jul 17, 7:23=A0am, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > Ed Trice, you can=92t even see how foolish you look. =A0You claim 4000+ > player tournaments, yet you can=92t even show an organized event with > six boards in an organized tournament setting. =A0Where are the clocks, > where are the scoresheets? =A0Where are the rows and rows and rows of > tables, chairs and actual games in progress???? > You=92re in one of the picture, another one of your pictures has kids on > the floor playing a chess variant, and another picture is clearly a > skittles room where people are just playing it for fun. =A0 =A0Here=92s s= ome > picture of how actual attended events look like, not imaginary: > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Chess_tourna... > > http://www.boardlink.bz/Obj/B000309001/Images/AsianYouthInd0China.JPG > > http://www.greenvillechessclub.org/images/Tournament%20room%20of%20at... > > http://hwebbjr.typepad.com/openloops/DSCF0490_small.jpg > > http://www.boardlink.bz/Obj/B000309001/Images/NR2005hallview.JPG > > Additionally, where=92s the schedule for 2008 tournaments??? =A0When is > the NEXT gothic chess tournament??? > > =93On Jul 16, 9:19 am, Ed Trice <Ed.Trice.2c3d...@chessbanter.comwrote: > Links to some tournaments that people say never happened > =93The 2002 college scholarship event was just for 1 year's tuition. We > had 895 participants. Here=92s a panoramic view of this event.=94http://w= ww.gothicchess.com/tournaments/sn3.gif > > =93In 2003 we had 1640. =A0Here=92s a panoramic view of this event:=94htt= p://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/conor.gif > > =93In 2004, over 2000. Here=92s a panoramic view of this event.=94http://= www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.gif > > In 2005 we offered 2 years' tuition, and it was a fiasco, with over > 4000 registrations, maybe 60% of the registrations coming within 1 > month of the event, and people showing up "at the door" even though > radio ads were mentioning the tournament was, in fact, closed. =A0Here=92= s > a panoramic view of this event.=94http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/= dave_bryan.gifhttp://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/ed_dave.gif > > I suppose you will all claim they are CGI, especially > Labate, you're a lunatic. You are insane. There, save that. Ed Trice=94 > > Yep, you showed me Ed Trice!! =A0I=92m the LOONEY!!     Date: 15 Sep 2008 14:25:46 From: Chess One Subject: Re: CJA, decline and de Nile "samsloan" <samhsloan@gmail.com > wrote in message news:da1abbd4-77dc-4d56-8ad1-90c341c41e0f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... Can't we get this thread back to its original topic?? by all means, fresh off the press - enjoy! http://www.chessville.com/Editorials/GettingStraightfromtheGetGo.htm Phil Innes   Date: 04 Aug 2008 09:20:08 From: Rob Subject: Re: Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice On Aug 4, 8:43=A0am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Aug 3, 10:19 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 4:38 am, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > On Jun 6, 1:24 am, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote: > > > David, > > > > =A0I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with th= e > > > link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog (http:/= / > > > gothicchess.blogspot.com/) and got our emails from there I suppose. > > > I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite appreciate the > > > spammer bothering me for this pointless circular debate. > > > > Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most > > > of you are. Just when I think working graveyard shift in my old age i= s > > > tough, I realize I don't have it nearly as bad as the pathetic people > > > wrapped up in this crap who actually believe they are championing a > > > cause. > > > > "It's all made up by Labate, isn't it obvious? It's got you all > > > visiting his site, don't it?" > > > > VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! =A0Somebody that has never posted on this site > > > decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email > > > out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman > > > with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and > > > now he's CIA material! > > > > Ed Trice's numerous lies are believable without any supporting > > > documentation, but Edward Labate provides mountains of evidence, > > > links, emails, etc., and yet, =A0he's made it all up, eh??? > > > > 1] Trice actually stated on chessgames.com: =A0"Ed Trice: Not only is > > > that old news, he is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is > > > being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in > > > direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. Thi= s > > > is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for > > > resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directl= y > > > from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a > > > discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collec= t > > > the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all > > > serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessI...@aol.com and I will > > > help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a > > > reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the > > > book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on > > > him." > > > > 2] Trice claims he has an AOL letter, which he doesn't post, yet AOL > > > doesn't issue letters without a subpoena from an ongoing litigation. > > > "As I am sure you can appreciate, AOL takes online privacy very > > > seriously. Please note that per the AOL Privacy Policy: > > > > Your AOL Member information, including the contents of your private > > > online communications, may be accessed and disclosed in response to > > > legal process (for example, a court order, search warrant or > > > subpoena); in other circumstances in which AOL believes the AOL > > > Service is being used in the commission of a crime; when we have a > > > good faith belief that there is an emergency that poses a threat to > > > the safety of you or another person; or when necessary either to > > > protect the rights or property of AOL, or for us to render the servic= e > > > you have requested. > > > > Please review the AOL Privacy Policy and AOL Civil Subpoena Policy > > > site for additional information." > > > > 3] He asks Frank Camaratta if he's interested in going in on a > > > publishing venture: > > > > 4] He contacts Cathy Purdy from Bookmasters about publishing the > > > Fischer book. > > > > 5] He shows the manuscript to Dan Heisman. > > > > 6] He CC Bruce Towell on the same emails that I get regarding the > > > Fischer book, and he reports to Bruce that's he's going to Iceland fo= r > > > a photoshoot in July or August. > > > > 7] He posts on chessgames.com that has evidence that Fischer was > > > involved with the book: =A0 =A0"This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- = I > > > have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this. > > > Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17" > > > > Ed Trice, you are one pathetic MOFO!!! =A0Any luck on locating Donald > > > Trump's ATM card????? > > > > ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service > > > Announcement/PSA to all you know:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.= htmlRE:My61 Memorable Games > > > Hoaxhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE:'PHILLYPHRAUD', Ed Tri= ce/ > > > Gothic Chesshttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE:Convicte= dFelon/ > > > Pedophile, Robert Snyder > > > Has Trice responded to the summons? > > Thank you, Rob ("The Robber") Mitchell, for bringing this much- > wandering discussion back to its original topic. > > Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are welcome Spammy Sloan. Somebody had to do it. Now... does anyone know where the lawsuit stands with Trice?   Date: 04 Aug 2008 06:43:26 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice On Aug 3, 10:19 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Jun 6, 4:38 am, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 6, 1:24 am, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote: > > David, > > > I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with the > > link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog (http:// > > gothicchess.blogspot.com/) and got our emails from there I suppose. > > I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite appreciate the > > spammer bothering me for this pointless circular debate. > > > Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most > > of you are. Just when I think working graveyard shift in my old age is > > tough, I realize I don't have it nearly as bad as the pathetic people > > wrapped up in this crap who actually believe they are championing a > > cause. > > > "It's all made up by Labate, isn't it obvious? It's got you all > > visiting his site, don't it?" > > > VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! Somebody that has never posted on this site > > decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email > > out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman > > with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and > > now he's CIA material! > > > Ed Trice's numerous lies are believable without any supporting > > documentation, but Edward Labate provides mountains of evidence, > > links, emails, etc., and yet, he's made it all up, eh??? > > > 1] Trice actually stated on chessgames.com: "Ed Trice: Not only is > > that old news, he is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is > > being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in > > direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This > > is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for > > resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly > > from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a > > discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect > > the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all > > serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessI...@aol.com and I will > > help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a > > reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the > > book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on > > him." > > > 2] Trice claims he has an AOL letter, which he doesn't post, yet AOL > > doesn't issue letters without a subpoena from an ongoing litigation. > > "As I am sure you can appreciate, AOL takes online privacy very > > seriously. Please note that per the AOL Privacy Policy: > > > Your AOL Member information, including the contents of your private > > online communications, may be accessed and disclosed in response to > > legal process (for example, a court order, search warrant or > > subpoena); in other circumstances in which AOL believes the AOL > > Service is being used in the commission of a crime; when we have a > > good faith belief that there is an emergency that poses a threat to > > the safety of you or another person; or when necessary either to > > protect the rights or property of AOL, or for us to render the service > > you have requested. > > > Please review the AOL Privacy Policy and AOL Civil Subpoena Policy > > site for additional information." > > > 3] He asks Frank Camaratta if he's interested in going in on a > > publishing venture: > > > 4] He contacts Cathy Purdy from Bookmasters about publishing the > > Fischer book. > > > 5] He shows the manuscript to Dan Heisman. > > > 6] He CC Bruce Towell on the same emails that I get regarding the > > Fischer book, and he reports to Bruce that's he's going to Iceland for > > a photoshoot in July or August. > > > 7] He posts on chessgames.com that has evidence that Fischer was > > involved with the book: "This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- I > > have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this. > > Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17" > > > Ed Trice, you are one pathetic MOFO!!! Any luck on locating Donald > > Trump's ATM card????? > > > ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service > > Announcement/PSA to all you know:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.htmlRE:My 61 Memorable Games > > Hoaxhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE:'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/ > > Gothic Chesshttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE:Convicted Felon/ > > Pedophile, Robert Snyder > > Has Trice responded to the summons? Thank you, Rob ("The Robber") Mitchell, for bringing this much- wandering discussion back to its original topic. Sam Sloan   Date: 03 Aug 2008 08:19:02 From: Rob Subject: Re: Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice On Jun 6, 4:38=A0am, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > On Jun 6, 1:24 am, victorrose...@gmail.com wrote: > David, > > =A0I did not 'just show up' someone sent me an unwanted email with the > link here enclosed. That person visited the Gothic Chess blog (http:// > gothicchess.blogspot.com/) and got our emails from there I suppose. > I've been on that blog for months, and I don't quite appreciate the > spammer bothering me for this pointless circular debate. > > Was good for a few laughs as I see how offbeat and way off base most > of you are. Just when I think working graveyard shift in my old age is > tough, I realize I don't have it nearly as bad as the pathetic people > wrapped up in this crap who actually believe they are championing a > cause. > > "It's all made up by Labate, isn't it obvious? It's got you all > visiting his site, don't it?" > > VINTAGE TRICE ALIAS!! =A0Somebody that has never posted on this site > decides to 'champion' Ed Trice's cause because he received an email > out of the blue, who just happens to be an innocent night watchman > with access to various computers, and numerous search abilities, and > now he's CIA material! > > Ed Trice's numerous lies are believable without any supporting > documentation, but Edward Labate provides mountains of evidence, > links, emails, etc., and yet, =A0he's made it all up, eh??? > > 1] Trice actually stated on chessgames.com: =A0"Ed Trice: Not only is > that old news, he is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is > being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in > direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This > is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for > resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly > from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a > discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect > the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all > serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessI...@aol.com and I will > help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a > reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the > book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on > him." > > 2] Trice claims he has an AOL letter, which he doesn't post, yet AOL > doesn't issue letters without a subpoena from an ongoing litigation. > "As I am sure you can appreciate, AOL takes online privacy very > seriously. Please note that per the AOL Privacy Policy: > > Your AOL Member information, including the contents of your private > online communications, may be accessed and disclosed in response to > legal process (for example, a court order, search warrant or > subpoena); in other circumstances in which AOL believes the AOL > Service is being used in the commission of a crime; when we have a > good faith belief that there is an emergency that poses a threat to > the safety of you or another person; or when necessary either to > protect the rights or property of AOL, or for us to render the service > you have requested. > > Please review the AOL Privacy Policy and AOL Civil Subpoena Policy > site for additional information." > > 3] He asks Frank Camaratta if he's interested in going in on a > publishing venture: > > 4] He contacts Cathy Purdy from Bookmasters about publishing the > Fischer book. > > 5] He shows the manuscript to Dan Heisman. > > 6] He CC Bruce Towell on the same emails that I get regarding the > Fischer book, and he reports to Bruce that's he's going to Iceland for > a photoshoot in July or August. > > 7] He posts on chessgames.com that has evidence that Fischer was > involved with the book: =A0 =A0"This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- I > have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this. > Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17" > > Ed Trice, you are one pathetic MOFO!!! =A0Any luck on locating Donald > Trump's ATM card????? > > ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service > Announcement/PSA to all you know:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html= RE: My 61 Memorable Games > Hoaxhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.htmlRE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice= / > Gothic Chesshttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlmRE: Convicted F= elon/ > Pedophile, Robert Snyder Has Trice responded to the summons?   Date: 01 Aug 2008 04:03:32 From: Rob Subject: Re: Ed Labate vs. Ed Trice On Jun 18, 8:10=A0am, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Jun 17, 3:35 pm, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> write: > > > "Looks as if you may become the owner of the Gothic Chess patent. Any > > plans for it?" > > > Yeah...put it up on ebay with an opening bid of 1 cent, and a buy-it- > > now of 2 cents... and hope I don't get sued for overstating it's > > value!!! > > > Best Wishes, > > Edward Labate > > Very nice. Or perhaps sell it for a bit more, and make a fitting > memorium to Capa with the cash - whose idea was ripped off anyway. A very good suggestion   Date: 31 Jul 2008 13:57:06 From: Rob Subject: Re: CJA, decline and de Nile On Jul 18, 6:59=A0pm, Edward Labate <labatech...@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > Mr. Strong, > > I was recently copied on an email that Ed Trice sent to the USCF in > which he said that he had won a slander/libel lawsuit against you and > that you received a "hard blow" by the justice system. > > Is this true?!? =A0And if so, can you give me the dates and case number > please? > > Thank you in advance, > > Best Wishes! > > Edward Labate > labatech...@sbcglobal.net > > ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service > Announcement/PSA to all you know:http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html > RE: My 61 Memorable Games SCAM=85'PHILLY PHRAUD' Ed Trice scamming a > dying Bobby Fischerhttp://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html > RE: =91Most Hated Man In Chess=92, Ed Trice scamming a dying Bobby Fische= rhttp://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html > RE: Convicted Felon/Pedophile, Robert Snyder When does the lawsuit go to court?   Date: 23 Jul 2008 11:16:56 From: thumbody Subject: Re: Ed Trice should be banned for life from the USCF help bot wrote: > What does Mr. Sloan's slip-up tell us about > his feelings toward the above-listed board > members? The poor chap misses the mark > so often it is hard to tell a Freudian slip from > a meaningless blunder; but then he will > sometimes turn around and spit out an > observation worthy of the great Confucious, > such as this: I CONFUCIUS AM A TRUE GREAT & WOULD PREFER MY NAME NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH MODERN DAY IDIOCY SUCH AS FOUND HERE: http://www.troutman.org/humor/confucious.html.. t. > "The comments by Phil Innes > are so ridiculous I see no point in dignifying > them with a response". (Well, merely > responding does not in itself lend dignity, > but the intended meaning rings true in an > almost universal way.) > > It would be hard to imagine people getting > so confused over what BF said about the > events of 9/11, but now there is no need for > imagination; folks don't seem to recall much > of anything correctly, and must now rely > upon the Louis Blair time machine to get > even a glimpse of the facts... . > > The fact is, Mr. Fischer talked about what > he called "a Seven Days in May scenario"; > he prattled on about sending folks back to > Europe and Africa; the Twin Towers were > nothing to him, yet Mr. Sloan gets himself > in a fix thinking about exactly when the > towers fell relative to BF's infamous radio > chat on the same day. In fact, a lot of > Nor-easterners get hung up on just the > comments that applied to their locale, > more-or-less ignoring the broader issues. > > I've yet to see the movie to which BF > referred, but I've read a bit about it; it was > not about New York (and in fact, BF had > long since moved to the other coast and > had issues with the Pasadena, California > police department). Mr. Fischer was > quick to point out that the USA had > supported Israel, which in turn had > (according to BF) done terrible things to > Palestine-- not to mention all our other > crimes. Well, BF seemed to have missed > that we Americans cannot just give the > land we "stole" from the Indians back, > because in the process "we" killed most > of them off; raising the dead is beyond > even the power of our mighty government > (else they would undoubtedly revive BF > and force him to pay his back taxes). > > -- help bot   Date: 22 Jul 2008 16:02:14 From: Louis Blair Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing On Jul 21, 11:51=A0pm, <parrthenon@cs.com > (NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.200.116.133) wrote: 7 ... Sam Sloan is correct that Bobby was wrongly 7 deprived of USCF membership. 7 ... _ "Bobby Fischer requested in the mid 1970's that the USCF drop him from their records, as he no longer wanted to receive 'Chess Lies'. As a result, he was never issued a USCF ID and has never been on the USCF's computerized records." - Mike Nolan (24 Jan 2005 20:10:45 GMT) _ "[']As far as the US Chess Federation goes, I have nothing to do with them, I consider them to be a pro-Soviet, criminal organization, terrible people. I would like... I would appreciate it if all of my fans cancelled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine Chess Life - I call it Chess Lies - and withdrew from the membership of this organization. I haven't been a member of this organization for, I don't know, maybe for about 17 years or something. I have a strict practice not to open Chess Life, since 1976 I haven't looked, haven't touched it. I see the cover, that's it, I never open it. Also, the US Chess Federation even now, I told them I'm not a member of the organization and I have nothing to do with them. Until recently, they were still using my name, saying I'm a member, trying to solicit memberships using my name. This is the kind of people they are.[' - Fischer] --- From the transcript of the third press conference, September 14, 1992, as printed on pages 88-89 of No Regrets." - posted by Neil Brennen (2002-09-28 22:20:33 PST) _ No Regrets is a book by Yasser Seirawan. _ martinak (Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:18 am) wrote: 7 ... 7 Let's recap the apparent historical sequence of 7 events: 7 7 1. Fischer resigned his membership in the 1970s 7 - probably before USCF ids were assigned. I 7 checked the USCF Golden Database from 2001 7 and he was not a member at that time. 7 7 2. In 1980 and 1991 the delegates passed: 17. 7 USCF Membership shall be awarded to 7 International Grandmasters, including Women 7 Grandmasters, when it is determined by the 7 Executive Director that a player is registering 7 with FIDE as an American player, or when an 7 American is awarded the title by FIDE. (1980, 7 1991) 7 7 Since he had already registered with FIDE and 7 was awarded his title long before 1980, these 7 would not cause him to be eligible. (Notice the 7 "is registering", not "has registered" and "is 7 awarded", not "was awarded"). In particular, 7 in 2006 he isn't being awarded the title or 7 registering as an American. So the current 7 ED would have no reason to award him a 7 membership. 7 7 3. In 2002, the policy board passed: 7 "The US Chess Federation informs Grandmaster 7 Robert J. Fischer that, because of his deplorable 7 public remarks in support of terrorist actions, his 7 right to membership in the United States Chess 7 Federation is cancelled. The Interim Executive 7 Director is asked to write to FIDE and to the US 7 Chess Trust about this action and about the 7 public remarks of Mr. Fischer, with a request 7 that those organizations join with the USCF in 7 condemnation of these remarks." 7 7 Since he was not a member, this did not take 7 away his membership. It just did not allow him 7 to become a member in the future. 7 7 4. The new motion rescinded the 2002 motion. 7 So, it does not make him a member - since he 7 was not one prior to the 2002 motion. It does 7 again allow him to become a member. So he 7 could pay for a membership. Or by the 7 delegates motion, if he "is registering" with 7 FIDE as USA, then he could receive a free 7 membership. However, to do that he would 7 presumably need to have FIDE deregister him 7 from the USA first and then re-register. 7 7 - Tom Martinak   Date: 22 Jul 2008 07:45:48 From: parrthenon@cs.com Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing KANESTER' S VISION >Parr's vision - in which there are no standards that cannot be waived for the talented - has plagued the USCF for a long time. > -- David Kane Once again I do not hold to the view attributed to me by David Kane. There are a guhzillion standards that must not be waived for the talent, genial and super-genial. Mind you, MUST not be waived as opposed to the Kanester's weakminded "cannot" be waived. By my standards the late Bobby Fischer was not one with whom I would break bread -- a point made by GM Larry Evans and yours truly in an award-winning editorial we wrote in the Ft. Lauderdale News on whether Fischer was a criminal for playing against Spassky in 1992. In many ways Bobby put himself beyond the pale of decent men, but that does not mean his membership in the USCF should have been revoked. Bobby murdered no one in real life, and he was not a criminal. Foul talk is not the same as murder most foul. If the USCF can entertain convicted felons and murderers as members, it can accommodate Bobby. Yours, Larry Parr P.S. Also see THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans PRISONER 99432 (page 184) "A weird chapter in American chess ended in 2001 when Claude Bloodgood died while serving a life sentence. Just five years earlier he was briefly rated as the nation=92s number two player." FREEBIES FOR FELONS (page 186) "The USCF takes a loss on each prisoner who joins for only $12 a year, a policy that sparked lively debate years ago in the quarterly newsletter of the Chess Journalists of America (chessjournalism.org). By now it appears that =91the ayes have it.=92... "I figure it=92s less likely that convicts who study chess will create mayhem after they get out. Studies indicate that rates of recidivism are lower for people who learn how to play in jail, but maybe chess just produces smarter crooks. I still recall that the infamous bank robber Willie Sutton was captured when the book found in his possession was How to Think Ahead in Chess." David Kane wrote:     Date: 22 Jul 2008 11:05:24 From: David Kane Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing <parrthenon@cs.com > wrote in message news:607e25ec-3292-4066-927f-1649a1174ec3@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > In many ways Bobby put himself beyond the pale >of decent men, but that does not mean his membership >in the USCF should have been revoked. As usual, Parr understands nothing. Fischer is known to the world solely because he played chess very well. When he was celebrating the terrorist actions, that reflects poorly on chessplayers as a group. (We, of course, know that Fischer had been nuts for a long time, but there are many who know the Fischer name, but not his mental history) What the USCF did was a symbolic gesture distancing itself from his words. It had no practical impact (Fischer not having been a member for decades) but simply showed that he did not speak for the American chess community.       Date: 22 Jul 2008 12:51:31 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:05:24 -0700, "David Kane" <davidekane@comcast.net > wrote: ><parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message >news:607e25ec-3292-4066-927f-1649a1174ec3@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> In many ways Bobby put himself beyond the pale >>of decent men, but that does not mean his membership >>in the USCF should have been revoked. >As usual, Parr understands nothing. Fischer is known to the >world solely because he played chess very well. When >he was celebrating the terrorist actions, that reflects poorly >on chessplayers as a group. (We, of course, know that >Fischer had been nuts for a long time, but there are >many who know the Fischer name, but not his mental >history) I think anybody who listened to the broadcast, or read transcripts of it would have to have been aware of his mental condition. >What the USCF did was a symbolic gesture distancing >itself from his words. It had no practical impact (Fischer >not having been a member for decades) but simply >showed that he did not speak for the American chess >community. It's kinda like a poetry society disowning Ezra Pound. Alternatives were possible, such as a USCF statement deploring Fischer's remarks.         Date: 22 Jul 2008 13:41:37 From: David Kane Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing "Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com > wrote in message news:rbec84d5njf49ret4afhf5neiee22qquvb@4ax.com... > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:05:24 -0700, "David Kane" > <davidekane@comcast.net> wrote: > > >><parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message >>news:607e25ec-3292-4066-927f-1649a1174ec3@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>> In many ways Bobby put himself beyond the pale >>>of decent men, but that does not mean his membership >>>in the USCF should have been revoked. > >>As usual, Parr understands nothing. Fischer is known to the >>world solely because he played chess very well. When >>he was celebrating the terrorist actions, that reflects poorly >>on chessplayers as a group. (We, of course, know that >>Fischer had been nuts for a long time, but there are >>many who know the Fischer name, but not his mental >>history) > > I think anybody who listened to the broadcast, or read transcripts of > it would have to have been aware of his mental condition. > Perhaps. But stories like this can spread without the full context. "Did you hear that chessplayer Bobby Fischer applauded 9/11?" Though the numbers may not be great in either case, I'd be willing to bet that the number who heard something like my sentence above far outnumbered those who listened to the broadcast in full. >>What the USCF did was a symbolic gesture distancing >>itself from his words. It had no practical impact (Fischer >>not having been a member for decades) but simply >>showed that he did not speak for the American chess >>community. > > It's kinda like a poetry society disowning Ezra Pound. Alternatives > were possible, such as a USCF statement deploring Fischer's remarks. No doubt you are right - I am not micro-analyzing every aspect of the resolution. I am merely pointing ou that it was encouraging to see action of any kind - given a chess world full of apologists like Larry Parrs and his ilk. These people argue that chessplayers (if they are good enough) are on a higher plane - unconstrained by the rules made for the rest of humanity.           Date: 24 Jul 2008 12:10:00 From: help bot Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing On Jul 24, 12:33 pm, "David Kane" <davidek...@comcast.net > wrote: > >>> Phil uses the phrase "abandonment of individual conscience" which str= ikes a > >>> chord with me. If Mr. IMnes were not already married, perhaps the two of you could... . > >>> Since when is it the role of our USCF to make moral judgments about t= he > >>> political speech of people who are not even members of the organizati= on? A stupid question. Since when has the name "Bobby Fischer" been synonymous with chess in this country? Since when has the general public heard about his rantings and ravings, only to automatically associate them with chess and chess players? > >>> what gives them the right to pronounce the sentence of symbolically e= xiling > >>> this man who is not a member? Um, are you suggesting here that the USCF does not have the "right" to determine who may be a member of (...wait for it...) the USCF? [Chortle.] > >>> What is next, are they going to wear white > >>> sheets and burn crosses the next time they get excited? This is not = the > >>> kind of chess organization I want to join. How about this: they have been known to chop people's ratings in a misguided effort to artificially protect Mr. Fischer's record high (of 2825)! The culprit? Gata Kamsky, back when he was just a wee tike. > > It was sufficient for the USCF to issue a statement distancing itself f= rom his > > remarks. Wrong. Folks who were reading here at the time will recall that /nothing/ was enough; that no matter how carefully it was explained that BF was not saying the specific people who died in, say, the Twin Towers, made him a happy camper, but rather that what he was saying was that the "evil" U.S. government was finally getting its due comeuppance; but nobody would listen. It is these dead-heads who required a bashing over the head with such things as a "ban", in order to make a statement that the USCF strongly disapproved of BF's comments. Of course, there is no real ban, for BF could never return to the USA without being seized by the IRS, the Treasury Department, and of course by the worldwide conspiracy of Jews who were always "out to get him". I just went back in time, changed the ban to a mere "statement of disassociation" from the USCF, and you guessed it, Larry Parr and his crew started complaining that it was not nearly enough; that the USCF was obligated to take a stand. (It also happened that the 2002 World Open saw Phil Innes achieve his first IM norm after a freak loss to him by Gary Kasparov, who was attacked in mid- game by a huge, flying Oscar Meyer Weiner. GK dropped his Queen on the wrong square, and was distracted just long enough for Mr. Innes to capture it before it could be shifted to another square. Quite a struggle-- 197 moves in all, but PI ultimately prevailed in a KQQQQQ vs. KRRBBNN ending by playing random spite checks until GK resigned out of frustration, saying he had better things to do than continue holding the draw.) > >> Where you get your idea that chess organizations > >> exist to provide a haven for genocide advocates > >> is a mystery. > > > I never said this. Why did you? My guess is that he is /against/ genocide, for some (unspecified) reason or other. But did BF really advocate genocide, or was he suggesting that the evil invaders go or be sent back from whence they came? Oh, wait-- I think he did mention imprisoning Jews (or maybe worse). > > I raised the subject of morality because of statements like yours. Sele= ctive > > application of moral judgment while turning a blind eye to other far mo= re > > serious moral issues is not a confidence building practice. More important than genocide? Ah, this must be about an alien invasion, where the future of life on Earth is threatened. > To me, you are simply confused. To equate speaking out against > those applauding terrorism with the Ku Klax Klan is just loopy. Klux; it's the Ku Klux Klan. If a shotgun "clacks" rather than "clucks", it needs oiling. I recently watched In the Heat of the Night. You know, it wasn't all that long ago that it was what we now call "politically correct" to be a racist pig like Archie Bunker. > > This also applies to the USCF and its punishment of Fischer. Now that = they > > have decided to become judge's of moral behavior, what are they going t= o do > > about all the other cases of immoral behavior of people in the chess wo= rld? > > Will they set up a system of tribunals to judge these cases? The notorious "ethics committee"? > > People that want to paint things as completely black and white often pu= zzle > > me. Consider the following: > > > "One may dislike Hitler=92s system and yet admire his patriotic achieve= ment. If > > our country were defeated I hope we should find a champion as indomitab= le to > > restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.=94= -- > > Winston Churchill, Sept 1937 > > Does such a statement change your opinion of Hitler, or of Churchill? It makes Mr. Churchill seem a dolt. The "champion" got his country bombed into rubble, many of his countrymen killed, the rest despised. > > How about the heroics of the carpet bombing of Tokyo in WWII? > > > =93We scorched and boiled and baked to death more people in Tokyo that = night of > > March 9-10 than went up in vapor in Hiroshima and Nagaski combined.=94 = -- > > General Curtis LeMay > > > Was this a war crime? Was it at least of sufficient importance to meri= t > > investigation at the Nuremberg trials? The decision to annihilate civilians is more the issue here, than any one execution of that policy, however "successful". What we learn is the pretense of moral superiority is laughable; that war-time propaganda is far more than a mere tool-- it reflects the real attitudes of those in power, those who make such decisions. > > We live in a country that turns a blind eye on many things. The victor= s write > > the histories. Who are the victors? Who controls our media and our > > government representatives? Follow the money laddie... Money talks. (Mine says "goodbye!") > History repeats itself. Did the fact that Fischer's > chess genius got him a free pass for his hate speech for most > of his life embolden Mr. Truong to spew his hate-filled > obscenity? It doesn't seem at all unlikely to me that > Truong noticed what Fischer got away with and then > felt protected by having a chess genius for a wife. You might be thinking of Judit Polgar, not his actual wife, Susan. The three girls were trained from an early age, and I wonder if the term "genius" is appropriate in such cases where there is heavy training, which nets results; especially professional chess players training others to become like them. Genius seems to suggest effortless mastery, granted by the whims of the gods. Sort of a level of understanding far beyond one's training and preparations. One famous quote has the then highest-rated chess player of all time (as we now know) saying that he had only known *one* such player: Jose Capablanca. That seems to cut out famous players like Mr. Steinitz, Mr. Tartakower, Mr. Tarrasch, Mr. Marshall and so forth, so how can anyone possibly /include/ Susan Polgar? -- help bot             Date: 25 Jul 2008 16:00:22 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing "help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:57d5a619-eeae-40ec-a113-185dfcbbc689@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... On Jul 24, 12:33 pm, "David Kane" <davidek...@comcast.net > wrote: > >>> Phil uses the phrase "abandonment of individual conscience" which > >>> strikes a > >>> chord with me. If Mr. IMnes were not already married, perhaps the two of you could... . **Could what? What is Kennedy's mind that he is shy to express? Agree with each other? Or does it seem like a sexual thing for him which is dependent on agreement? Kennedy often declares those who agree to be likely in love... <pfft! > or in some conspiracy group. Yet [lol] how should David Kane and I be in any group, except to concur now and again? > >>> Since when is it the role of our USCF to make moral judgments about > >>> the > >>> political speech of people who are not even members of the > >>> organization? A stupid question. Since when has the name "Bobby Fischer" been synonymous with chess in this country? **Kennedy changes the subject from Fischer to USCF. The original writer's comments do not mention politics at all, instead he speaks of the constitutional rights of individuals to their free expression of their conscience. Since when has the general public heard about his rantings and ravings, only to automatically associate them with chess and chess players? **And thence to what is polular, not what is established as constitutional right, expressly to protect what is not popular. The Constitution does not address what is merely popular - it is indifferent to fad - and speaks of universal rights of man. > >>> what gives them the right to pronounce the sentence of symbolically > >>> exiling > >>> this man who is not a member? Um, are you suggesting here that the USCF does not have the "right" to determine who may be a member of (...wait for it...) the USCF? [Chortle.] **I think the case is exactly opposite the one proposed: above; that individuals have the right not to belong to USCF. I don't remember the Constitution granting any rights to corporations to determine or decide anything whatever! > >>> What is next, are they going to wear white > >>> sheets and burn crosses the next time they get excited? This is not > >>> the > >>> kind of chess organization I want to join. How about this: they have been known to chop people's ratings in a misguided effort to artificially protect Mr. Fischer's record high (of 2825)! The culprit? Gata Kamsky, back when he was just a wee tike. **And here we descend to another level of discussion - nothing to do with the right of Fischer not to be associated with USCF, which was his plain wish, but USCF's motivation for brown-nosing to Fishcer... hence their actions, &c Phil Innes ---------- > > It was sufficient for the USCF to issue a statement distancing itself > > from his > > remarks. Wrong. Folks who were reading here at the time will recall that /nothing/ was enough; that no matter how carefully it was explained that BF was not saying the specific people who died in, say, the Twin Towers, made him a happy camper, but rather that what he was saying was that the "evil" U.S. government was finally getting its due comeuppance; but nobody would listen. It is these dead-heads who required a bashing over the head with such things as a "ban", in order to make a statement that the USCF strongly disapproved of BF's comments. Of course, there is no real ban, for BF could never return to the USA without being seized by the IRS, the Treasury Department, and of course by the worldwide conspiracy of Jews who were always "out to get him". I just went back in time, changed the ban to a mere "statement of disassociation" from the USCF, and you guessed it, Larry Parr and his crew started complaining that it was not nearly enough; that the USCF was obligated to take a stand. (It also happened that the 2002 World Open saw Phil Innes achieve his first IM norm after a freak loss to him by Gary Kasparov, who was attacked in mid- game by a huge, flying Oscar Meyer Weiner. GK dropped his Queen on the wrong square, and was distracted just long enough for Mr. Innes to capture it before it could be shifted to another square. Quite a struggle-- 197 moves in all, but PI ultimately prevailed in a KQQQQQ vs. KRRBBNN ending by playing random spite checks until GK resigned out of frustration, saying he had better things to do than continue holding the draw.) > >> Where you get your idea that chess organizations > >> exist to provide a haven for genocide advocates > >> is a mystery. > > > I never said this. Why did you? My guess is that he is /against/ genocide, for some (unspecified) reason or other. But did BF really advocate genocide, or was he suggesting that the evil invaders go or be sent back from whence they came? Oh, wait-- I think he did mention imprisoning Jews (or maybe worse). > > I raised the subject of morality because of statements like yours. > > Selective > > application of moral judgment while turning a blind eye to other far > > more > > serious moral issues is not a confidence building practice. More important than genocide? Ah, this must be about an alien invasion, where the future of life on Earth is threatened. > To me, you are simply confused. To equate speaking out against > those applauding terrorism with the Ku Klax Klan is just loopy. Klux; it's the Ku Klux Klan. If a shotgun "clacks" rather than "clucks", it needs oiling. I recently watched In the Heat of the Night. You know, it wasn't all that long ago that it was what we now call "politically correct" to be a racist pig like Archie Bunker. > > This also applies to the USCF and its punishment of Fischer. Now that > > they > > have decided to become judge's of moral behavior, what are they going to > > do > > about all the other cases of immoral behavior of people in the chess > > world? > > Will they set up a system of tribunals to judge these cases? The notorious "ethics committee"? > > People that want to paint things as completely black and white often > > puzzle > > me. Consider the following: > > > "One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic > > achievement. If > > our country were defeated I hope we should find a champion as > > indomitable to > > restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.” -- > > Winston Churchill, Sept 1937 > > Does such a statement change your opinion of Hitler, or of Churchill? It makes Mr. Churchill seem a dolt. The "champion" got his country bombed into rubble, many of his countrymen killed, the rest despised. > > How about the heroics of the carpet bombing of Tokyo in WWII? > > > “We scorched and boiled and baked to death more people in Tokyo that > > night of > > March 9-10 than went up in vapor in Hiroshima and Nagaski combined.” -- > > General Curtis LeMay > > > Was this a war crime? Was it at least of sufficient importance to merit > > investigation at the Nuremberg trials? The decision to annihilate civilians is more the issue here, than any one execution of that policy, however "successful". What we learn is the pretense of moral superiority is laughable; that war-time propaganda is far more than a mere tool-- it reflects the real attitudes of those in power, those who make such decisions. > > We live in a country that turns a blind eye on many things. The victors > > write > > the histories. Who are the victors? Who controls our media and our > > government representatives? Follow the money laddie... Money talks. (Mine says "goodbye!") > History repeats itself. Did the fact that Fischer's > chess genius got him a free pass for his hate speech for most > of his life embolden Mr. Truong to spew his hate-filled > obscenity? It doesn't seem at all unlikely to me that > Truong noticed what Fischer got away with and then > felt protected by having a chess genius for a wife. You might be thinking of Judit Polgar, not his actual wife, Susan. The three girls were trained from an early age, and I wonder if the term "genius" is appropriate in such cases where there is heavy training, which nets results; especially professional chess players training others to become like them. Genius seems to suggest effortless mastery, granted by the whims of the gods. Sort of a level of understanding far beyond one's training and preparations. One famous quote has the then highest-rated chess player of all time (as we now know) saying that he had only known *one* such player: Jose Capablanca. That seems to cut out famous players like Mr. Steinitz, Mr. Tartakower, Mr. Tarrasch, Mr. Marshall and so forth, so how can anyone possibly /include/ Susan Polgar? -- help bot               Date: 25 Jul 2008 16:20:16 From: David Kane Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing "Chess One" <OneChess@comcast.net > wrote in message news:Y5adnUd4Q9dHrRfVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com... > > "help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:57d5a619-eeae-40ec-a113-185dfcbbc689@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 24, 12:33 pm, "David Kane" <davidek...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >>> Phil uses the phrase "abandonment of individual conscience" which strikes >> >>> a >> >>> chord with me. > > If Mr. IMnes were not already married, perhaps > the two of you could... . > > **Could what? What is Kennedy's mind that he is shy to express? Agree with > each other? Or does it seem like a sexual thing for him which is dependent on > agreement? Kennedy often declares those who agree to be likely in love... > <pfft!> or in some conspiracy group. Yet [lol] how should David Kane and I be > in any group, except to concur now and again? > The person agreeing with Phil was not me (Kane), but Walker. Apparently help bot is adopting Innes' own convention in the attribution of quotes - "often wrong, never corrected"                 Date: 26 Jul 2008 15:15:12 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing "David Kane" <davidekane@comcast.net > wrote in message news:CLCdnc0DBPhPwhfVnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Chess One" <OneChess@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Y5adnUd4Q9dHrRfVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:57d5a619-eeae-40ec-a113-185dfcbbc689@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 24, 12:33 pm, "David Kane" <davidek...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Phil uses the phrase "abandonment of individual conscience" which >>> >>> strikes a >>> >>> chord with me. >> >> If Mr. IMnes were not already married, perhaps >> the two of you could... . >> >> **Could what? What is Kennedy's mind that he is shy to express? Agree >> with each other? Or does it seem like a sexual thing for him which is >> dependent on agreement? Kennedy often declares those who agree to be >> likely in love... <pfft!> or in some conspiracy group. Yet [lol] how >> should David Kane and I be in any group, except to concur now and again? >> > > The person agreeing with Phil was not me (Kane), > but Walker. Apparently help bot is adopting Innes' > own convention in the attribution of quotes - "often wrong, > never corrected" Sign your posts then, dimwit! and then I am less likely to make mistakes responding to people whose views aren't identified, who care not to be identified [!] and who do not use usenet protocol - so that if the header is abbreviated then I can only assume from the post to which I respond who wrote what. As it is, as usual, Master Kennedy [some say], does not answer a point, instead he diverts and trivialises it, in this case to allude homosexual collusion by those who could discuss it - could discuss the nature of things which result from contemplation upon experience. The 'chord' //abandonment of individual conscience//, will sound with all readers who are unhappy with the professions [the statements voluntarily offered] of others which are not based on any serious consideration of experiences they have had, and about such people who do not take responsibity for their subsequent actions from some other, unmentioned, basis. The modern psycho-narcoleptic populist fable of writing in metaphysical form, is a dire mechanistic response to life, which pretends we are but machines and do not even have the possibility of directing our own lives, our responses, our words. It pretends a point of view, but there are no people there to offer it! Who owns any point of view? Do not answer, "It is..." Ownership and responsibility is the inevitable interception of the self by conscience. Phil Innes           Date: 22 Jul 2008 14:04:54 From: J.D. Walker Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing David Kane wrote: > > "Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message > news:rbec84d5njf49ret4afhf5neiee22qquvb@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:05:24 -0700, "David Kane" >> <davidekane@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >>> <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message >>> news:607e25ec-3292-4066-927f-1649a1174ec3@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>> >> >>>> In many ways Bobby put himself beyond the pale >>>> of decent men, but that does not mean his membership >>>> in the USCF should have been revoked. >> >>> As usual, Parr understands nothing. Fischer is known to the >>> world solely because he played chess very well. When >>> he was celebrating the terrorist actions, that reflects poorly >>> on chessplayers as a group. (We, of course, know that >>> Fischer had been nuts for a long time, but there are >>> many who know the Fischer name, but not his mental >>> history) >> >> I think anybody who listened to the broadcast, or read transcripts of >> it would have to have been aware of his mental condition. >> > > Perhaps. But stories like this can spread without the full > context. > > "Did you hear that chessplayer Bobby > Fischer applauded 9/11?" > > Though the numbers may not be great in either case, I'd > be willing to bet that the number who heard something > like my sentence above far outnumbered those who > listened to the broadcast in full. > >>> What the USCF did was a symbolic gesture distancing >>> itself from his words. It had no practical impact (Fischer >>> not having been a member for decades) but simply >>> showed that he did not speak for the American chess >>> community. >> >> It's kinda like a poetry society disowning Ezra Pound. Alternatives >> were possible, such as a USCF statement deploring Fischer's remarks. > > No doubt you are right - I am not micro-analyzing every > aspect of the resolution. I am merely pointing ou that it was > encouraging to see action of any kind - given a chess world > full of apologists like Larry Parrs and his ilk. These people > argue that chessplayers (if they are good enough) are on a > higher plane - unconstrained by the rules made for the rest > of humanity. Have there been any serious sociological studies to determine how much insanity infests the chess world? I imagine it is a fair bit higher than the norm. I greatly admired Fischer's chess and his fighting spirit (until he lost it). I also thought he was quite loony as far back as the sixties. On a tangent, I have been musing lately over popular moral judgments made by many in America. One that interests me is the placement of Hitler at the bottom of a hypothetical scale of evil -- perhaps joined by Stalin. It has been said that history is written by the victors in war. What about the losers and their story? Having thoroughly nailed Hitler and Stalin to the base of our totem of evil, can we then turn our attention to the victors? I wish I knew more about history. That will have to wait for future lifetimes.... A scholar seeking approximate moral objectivity towards this totem of evil might ask the question, "Who was ultimately responsible for the tragedies of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the fire bombings of Dresden and other German civilian targets." Would that be Truman and Churchill? If so, where should they be placed on the totem of evil? Or does victory cleanse all stains of evil? -- "Do that which is right..." Rev. J.D. Walker   Date: 22 Jul 2008 05:59:18 From: Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing On Jul 22, 12:15=A0am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com > wrote: > FISCHER SHOULD BE REINSTATED POSTHUMOUSLY > > =A0 Taylor Kingston is correct. =A0Bobby Fischer said > horrible, venomous things immediately AFTER the > Twin Towers were demolished. =A0But what has this > fact to do with depriving Bobby of USCF membership? I made no comment on Fischer's USCF membership or lack thereof, or the justice of rescinding or allowing his USCF membership. I only wished to point out the glaring factual and logical errors in Sam Sloan's view of Fischer's 9/11 comments. > =A0 =A0 =A0 Emanuel Lasker was kicked out of the London > Chess Club durng WWI because of his championing > Germany and the vast slaughters on the Western Front. > Lasker's nonsense was a way of excusing the horrors > and even romanticizing them. =A0The numbers of bodies > expontentially exceeded the of victims of the Twin Towers > > =A0 =A0 =A0 Later on Lasker was reinstated as a London > Chess Club member, and the perfervid patriots slunk > away in shame. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 The decision to kick Bobby out of the USCF was > shameful and committed by men who permitted politics > to trump Gens una sumus. =A0Their names will appear on > history's dishonor roll. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A delegates' resolution should be written to > reinstate Bobby as an honorary USCF member. > > Yours, Larry Parr > > > > ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jul 21, 11:48?am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 8:05 am, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:40 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:27 pm, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 3:39 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The anti-US statements made by Fischer during his infamous ra= dio > > > > > > > broadcast on 9/11 did not provide a proper basis to kick him = out of > > > > > > > the USCF. As explained in the book "Bobby Fischer, The Wander= ing > > > > > > > King", ?by Hans Bohm and Kees Jongking, page 122, Fischer's c= omments > > > > > > > on 9/11 were made before the actual collapse of the Twin Towe= rs of the > > > > > > > World Trade Center. > > > > > > > ? I have that book in front of me at this moment, and I see see= no > > > > > > such statement, on page 122 or anywhere else. However, it does = make > > > > > > very clear that Fischer knew of the attacks on the World Trade = Center, > > > > > > about which he said: > > > > > > > ? "This is all wonderful news. F--k the USA. F--k the Jews. It = is time > > > > > > for the United States to have their head kicked in. I want the = United > > > > > > States wiped out! Once and for all!" -- page 119 > > > > > > > ? Is our Sam saying that the merit of Fischer's statements is > > > > > > contingent on a few minutes' difference in their timing? That t= hey > > > > > > were OK if they were said after the planes had been made to cra= sh into > > > > > > the buildings, but *_before_* the towers collapsed? That they w= ould > > > > > > have been wrong only if said *_after_* the towers collapsed? Th= e logic > > > > > > of this eludes me completely. > > > > > > A few minutes later in the same broadcast, Fischer said, "That's = the > > > > > danger" that somebody might be killed. Obviously the twin towers = had > > > > > not fallen yet because after they fell it was obvious that many p= eople > > > > > had been killed. > > > > > > Also, Fischer was calling from Japan to a Radio Station in the > > > > > Philippines. Japan is 14 hours ahead of us. Thus, by the time the= Twin > > > > > Towers fell it was already 9/12 in Japan. > > > > > > Yes, I think it makes a difference. When the airplane first crash= ed > > > > > into the World Trade Center, many thought that it was either an > > > > > accident or a pilotless-drone. > > > > > ? The transcripts of the radio broadcast prove very clearly that > > > > Fischer knew very well that hijacked airliners had been deliberatel= y > > > > crashed into the World Trade Center, and that he heartily approved = of > > > > it. > > > > > ? Sam, though you say and do many foolish things, perhaps nothing > > > > makes you look so foolish on this forum as your absurd, baseless, > > > > contrived attempts to spin Fischer's venomous hate-speech into > > > > something praiseworthy, or at least blameless. Fischer was a sick m= an > > > > saying horrible things. Accept the facts. > > > > You are wrong. The tape recording shows very clearly that Bobby > > > Fischer was talking about the Palestinian Issues. > > > =A0 Nonsense, Sam. Have a look here: > > > =A0http://www.bobby-fischer.net/fischer_interview_12092001.htm > > > =A0 It is "a transcript Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the > > attack on the world trade center 11/09/2001." A few relevant quotes: > > > PABLO MERCADO (Radio Bombo): Bobby Fischer and he is on the line right > > now and he would like to view his opinion and give some commentary on > > what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago and ... > > It could be an attack at the White House and I think the Pentagon > > too... > > > =A0 =A0 This makes clear right at the start that the 9/11 attack is the > > topic. And it also makes clear that the interview occurred SEVERAL > > HOURS AFTER the initial plane crashes. According to this article > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > > World_Trade_center#September_11.2C_2001), the crashes occurred at 8:46 > > and 9:03 AM Eastern, followed by the collapse of the towers at 9:59 AM > > and 10:28 AM. > > =A0 In other words, there was a lapse of only 1 hour and 42 minutes > > between the first crash and the second collapse. Even assuming that > > "what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago" refers > > to the crashes, and not to the disintegration of the towers, it is > > still very likely that "a few hours" later Fischer knew of the WTC's > > total destruction. > > > FISCHER: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the fucking > > Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once > > and for all. ... > > > PM: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what > > happened? > > > FISCHER: Yes, I applaud the act. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0This makes very clear that Fischer was delighted by the atta= cks. > > > PM: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did... > > > FISCHER: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought, > > there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on > > this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people > > were hoping for this. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0This makes very clear that Fischer new the attacks were carr= ied > > out by hijacked planes, and that it was a carefully planned, organized > > attack, not a random crash or anything involving unmanned robot craft. > > > > I have never seen a transcript of the Fischer broadcast on 9/11. I > > > have only seen a few of the words. Do you have a complete transcript? > > > If not, then STFU. > > > =A0 Hmmm, Sam, you don't usually use profanity, at least not on rgc. It > > must really bug you to be caught out being so wrong. > > =A0 Lest we be in any doubt about Fischer's feelings, a few more of his > > remarks: > > > FISCHER: Democracy is just a load of bullshit, it is just a cover for > > the criminal nature of the United States of America. But I'm hoping > > for the Seven Days In May scenario, where sane people will take over > > the US, military people. They will imprison the Jews, they will > > execute several hundred thousand of them, at least.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -   Date: 21 Jul 2008 23:51:08 From: parrthenon@cs.com Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing NO LITMUS TEST Taylor Kingston proved his case here, but Sam Sloan is correct that Bobby was wrongly deprived of USCF membership. In the past we undoubtedly had USCF members who applauded Stalin's slaughters of millions of innocent people or who still defend obnoxious regimes that torture and kill. Should they all have been or be deprived of membership? Let those who imagined that Khmer Rouge "democracy" in Cambodia was a social advance remain members of the USCF. Let those who gas about executing Jews remain members of the USCF. Let convicted, imprisoned sex murderers of innocent little girls (which is to say, the guys who unlike Bobby not only talk the talk, but stalk the stalk and laugh uproariously as their young victims die in agony) remain members of the USCF. Indeed, such are the demands of intellectual consistency, I would go so far as to assert that even Bill Brock and David Kane can remain members of the USCF. Oh, I know, I know. But categorical imperatives cannot be shirked. Why? There should be no political or personal litmus test for USCF membership. Yours, Larry Parr parrthenon@cs.com wrote: > FISCHER SHOULD BE REINSTATED POSTHUMOUSLY > > Taylor Kingston is correct. Bobby Fischer said > horrible, venomous things immediately AFTER the > Twin Towers were demolished. But what has thia > fact to do with depriving Bobby of USCF membership? > > Emanuel Lasker was kicked out of the London > Chess Club durng WWI because of his championing > Germany and the vast slaughters on the Western Front. > Lasker's nonsense was a way of excusing the horrors > and even romanticizing them. The numbers of bodies > expontentially exceeded the of victims of the Twin Towers > > Later on Lasker was reinstated as a London > Chess Club member, and the perfervid patriots slunk > away in shame. > > The decision to kick Bobby out of the USCF was > shameful and committed by men who permitted politics > to trump Gens una sumus. Their names will appear on > history's dishonor roll. > > A delegates' resolution should be written to > reinstate Bobby as an honorary USCF member. > > Yours, Larry Parr > > > > > ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jul 21, 11:48?am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 8:05 am, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:40 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:27 pm, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 3:39 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The anti-US statements made by Fischer during his infamous radio > > > > > > > broadcast on 9/11 did not provide a proper basis to kick him out of > > > > > > > the USCF. As explained in the book "Bobby Fischer, The Wandering > > > > > > > King", ?by Hans Bohm and Kees Jongking, page 122, Fischer's comments > > > > > > > on 9/11 were made before the actual collapse of the Twin Towers of the > > > > > > > World Trade Center. > > > > > > > > > ? I have that book in front of me at this moment, and I see see no > > > > > > such statement, on page 122 or anywhere else. However, it does make > > > > > > very clear that Fischer knew of the attacks on the World Trade Center, > > > > > > about which he said: > > > > > > > > > ? "This is all wonderful news. F--k the USA. F--k the Jews. It is time > > > > > > for the United States to have their head kicked in. I want the United > > > > > > States wiped out! Once and for all!" -- page 119 > > > > > > > > > ? Is our Sam saying that the merit of Fischer's statements is > > > > > > contingent on a few minutes' difference in their timing? That they > > > > > > were OK if they were said after the planes had been made to crash into > > > > > > the buildings, but *_before_* the towers collapsed? That they would > > > > > > have been wrong only if said *_after_* the towers collapsed? The logic > > > > > > of this eludes me completely. > > > > > > > > A few minutes later in the same broadcast, Fischer said, "That's the > > > > > danger" that somebody might be killed. Obviously the twin towers had > > > > > not fallen yet because after they fell it was obvious that many people > > > > > had been killed. > > > > > > > > Also, Fischer was calling from Japan to a Radio Station in the > > > > > Philippines. Japan is 14 hours ahead of us. Thus, by the time the Twin > > > > > Towers fell it was already 9/12 in Japan. > > > > > > > > Yes, I think it makes a difference. When the airplane first crashed > > > > > into the World Trade Center, many thought that it was either an > > > > > accident or a pilotless-drone. > > > > > > > ? The transcripts of the radio broadcast prove very clearly that > > > > Fischer knew very well that hijacked airliners had been deliberately > > > > crashed into the World Trade Center, and that he heartily approved of > > > > it. > > > > > > > ? Sam, though you say and do many foolish things, perhaps nothing > > > > makes you look so foolish on this forum as your absurd, baseless, > > > > contrived attempts to spin Fischer's venomous hate-speech into > > > > something praiseworthy, or at least blameless. Fischer was a sick man > > > > saying horrible things. Accept the facts. > > > > > > You are wrong. The tape recording shows very clearly that Bobby > > > Fischer was talking about the Palestinian Issues. > > > > Nonsense, Sam. Have a look here: > > > > http://www.bobby-fischer.net/fischer_interview_12092001.htm > > > > It is "a transcript Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the > > attack on the world trade center 11/09/2001." A few relevant quotes: > > > > PABLO MERCADO (Radio Bombo): Bobby Fischer and he is on the line right > > now and he would like to view his opinion and give some commentary on > > what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago and ... > > It could be an attack at the White House and I think the Pentagon > > too... > > > > This makes clear right at the start that the 9/11 attack is the > > topic. And it also makes clear that the interview occurred SEVERAL > > HOURS AFTER the initial plane crashes. According to this article > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > > World_Trade_center#September_11.2C_2001), the crashes occurred at 8:46 > > and 9:03 AM Eastern, followed by the collapse of the towers at 9:59 AM > > and 10:28 AM. > > In other words, there was a lapse of only 1 hour and 42 minutes > > between the first crash and the second collapse. Even assuming that > > "what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago" refers > > to the crashes, and not to the disintegration of the towers, it is > > still very likely that "a few hours" later Fischer knew of the WTC's > > total destruction. > > > > FISCHER: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the fucking > > Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once > > and for all. ... > > > > PM: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what > > happened? > > > > FISCHER: Yes, I applaud the act. > > > > This makes very clear that Fischer was delighted by the attacks. > > > > PM: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did... > > > > FISCHER: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought, > > there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on > > this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people > > were hoping for this. > > > > This makes very clear that Fischer new the attacks were carried > > out by hijacked planes, and that it was a carefully planned, organized > > attack, not a random crash or anything involving unmanned robot craft. > > > > > I have never seen a transcript of the Fischer broadcast on 9/11. I > > > have only seen a few of the words. Do you have a complete transcript? > > > If not, then STFU. > > > > Hmmm, Sam, you don't usually use profanity, at least not on rgc. It > > must really bug you to be caught out being so wrong. > > Lest we be in any doubt about Fischer's feelings, a few more of his > > remarks: > > > > FISCHER: Democracy is just a load of bullshit, it is just a cover for > > the criminal nature of the United States of America. But I'm hoping > > for the Seven Days In May scenario, where sane people will take over > > the US, military people. They will imprison the Jews, they will > > execute several hundred thousand of them, at least.   Date: 21 Jul 2008 21:15:32 From: parrthenon@cs.com Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing FISCHER SHOULD BE REINSTATED POSTHUMOUSLY Taylor Kingston is correct. Bobby Fischer said horrible, venomous things immediately AFTER the Twin Towers were demolished. But what has thia fact to do with depriving Bobby of USCF membership? Emanuel Lasker was kicked out of the London Chess Club durng WWI because of his championing Germany and the vast slaughters on the Western Front. Lasker's nonsense was a way of excusing the horrors and even romanticizing them. The numbers of bodies expontentially exceeded the of victims of the Twin Towers Later on Lasker was reinstated as a London Chess Club member, and the perfervid patriots slunk away in shame. The decision to kick Bobby out of the USCF was shameful and committed by men who permitted politics to trump Gens una sumus. Their names will appear on history's dishonor roll. A delegates' resolution should be written to reinstate Bobby as an honorary USCF member. Yours, Larry Parr ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 21, 11:48?am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 21, 8:05 am, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:40 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:27 pm, ttk5...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 3:39 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The anti-US statements made by Fischer during his infamous radio > > > > > > broadcast on 9/11 did not provide a proper basis to kick him out of > > > > > > the USCF. As explained in the book "Bobby Fischer, The Wandering > > > > > > King", ?by Hans Bohm and Kees Jongking, page 122, Fischer's comments > > > > > > on 9/11 were made before the actual collapse of the Twin Towers of the > > > > > > World Trade Center. > > > > > > > ? I have that book in front of me at this moment, and I see see no > > > > > such statement, on page 122 or anywhere else. However, it does make > > > > > very clear that Fischer knew of the attacks on the World Trade Center, > > > > > about which he said: > > > > > > > ? "This is all wonderful news. F--k the USA. F--k the Jews. It is time > > > > > for the United States to have their head kicked in. I want the United > > > > > States wiped out! Once and for all!" -- page 119 > > > > > > > ? Is our Sam saying that the merit of Fischer's statements is > > > > > contingent on a few minutes' difference in their timing? That they > > > > > were OK if they were said after the planes had been made to crash into > > > > > the buildings, but *_before_* the towers collapsed? That they would > > > > > have been wrong only if said *_after_* the towers collapsed? The logic > > > > > of this eludes me completely. > > > > > > A few minutes later in the same broadcast, Fischer said, "That's the > > > > danger" that somebody might be killed. Obviously the twin towers had > > > > not fallen yet because after they fell it was obvious that many people > > > > had been killed. > > > > > > Also, Fischer was calling from Japan to a Radio Station in the > > > > Philippines. Japan is 14 hours ahead of us. Thus, by the time the Twin > > > > Towers fell it was already 9/12 in Japan. > > > > > > Yes, I think it makes a difference. When the airplane first crashed > > > > into the World Trade Center, many thought that it was either an > > > > accident or a pilotless-drone. > > > > > ? The transcripts of the radio broadcast prove very clearly that > > > Fischer knew very well that hijacked airliners had been deliberately > > > crashed into the World Trade Center, and that he heartily approved of > > > it. > > > > > ? Sam, though you say and do many foolish things, perhaps nothing > > > makes you look so foolish on this forum as your absurd, baseless, > > > contrived attempts to spin Fischer's venomous hate-speech into > > > something praiseworthy, or at least blameless. Fischer was a sick man > > > saying horrible things. Accept the facts. > > > > You are wrong. The tape recording shows very clearly that Bobby > > Fischer was talking about the Palestinian Issues. > > Nonsense, Sam. Have a look here: > > http://www.bobby-fischer.net/fischer_interview_12092001.htm > > It is "a transcript Bobby Fischer interview taken shortly after the > attack on the world trade center 11/09/2001." A few relevant quotes: > > PABLO MERCADO (Radio Bombo): Bobby Fischer and he is on the line right > now and he would like to view his opinion and give some commentary on > what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago and ... > It could be an attack at the White House and I think the Pentagon > too... > > This makes clear right at the start that the 9/11 attack is the > topic. And it also makes clear that the interview occurred SEVERAL > HOURS AFTER the initial plane crashes. According to this article > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > World_Trade_center#September_11.2C_2001), the crashes occurred at 8:46 > and 9:03 AM Eastern, followed by the collapse of the towers at 9:59 AM > and 10:28 AM. > In other words, there was a lapse of only 1 hour and 42 minutes > between the first crash and the second collapse. Even assuming that > "what happened at the world trade center just a few hours ago" refers > to the crashes, and not to the disintegration of the towers, it is > still very likely that "a few hours" later Fischer knew of the WTC's > total destruction. > > FISCHER: Yes this is all wonderful news, it is time that the fucking > Jews get their heads kicked in. It's time to finish off the US once > and for all. ... > > PM: Mhm, You are saying you are ... you are happy about what > happened? > > FISCHER: Yes, I applaud the act. > > This makes very clear that Fischer was delighted by the attacks. > > PM: Hehe, right ... Well the US is super power, how did... > > FISCHER: Well , probably it is not as powerful as everybody thought, > there were highjacked those planes , there has been no intelligence on > this, it was a major operation, Pablo, probably, hundreds of people > were hoping for this. > > This makes very clear that Fischer new the attacks were carried > out by hijacked planes, and that it was a carefully planned, organized > attack, not a random crash or anything involving unmanned robot craft. > > > I have never seen a transcript of the Fischer broadcast on 9/11. I > > have only seen a few of the words. Do you have a complete transcript? > > If not, then STFU. > > Hmmm, Sam, you don't usually use profanity, at least not on rgc. It > must really bug you to be caught out being so wrong. > Lest we be in any doubt about Fischer's feelings, a few more of his > remarks: > > FISCHER: Democracy is just a load of bullshit, it is just a cover for > the criminal nature of the United States of America. But I'm hoping > for the Seven Days In May scenario, where sane people will take over > the US, military people. They will imprison the Jews, they will > execute several hundred thousand of them, at least.     Date: 22 Jul 2008 09:44:59 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?= Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing <parrthenon@cs.com > schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:100fcbf7-c887-4803-9c23-b9e93669a2e6@j7g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > The numbers of bodies > expontentially exceeded the of victims of the Twin Towers Why do you use words you don't understand? Can you give an example of one number exceeding another exponentially?     Date: 21 Jul 2008 23:43:12 From: David Kane Subject: Re: Sam Sloan's Delicate Sense of Timing <parrthenon@cs.com > wrote in message news:100fcbf7-c887-4803-9c23-b9e93669a2e6@j7g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > FISCHER SHOULD BE REINSTATED POSTHUMOUSLY > > > The decision to kick Bobby out of the USCF was > shameful and committed by men who permitted politics > to trump Gens una sumus. Their names will appear on > history's dishonor roll. Parr's vision - in which there are no standards that cannot be waived for the talented - has plagued the USCF for a long time. For 30+ years, no American who made a living from chess could criticize Fischer frankly - lest he return and they find themselves as outsiders. A similar mentality seems to be at work in the Truong affair. I'm sure that few of the USCF insiders on the EB or Ethics committee truly believe that Truong