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Date: 20 Jan 2008 16:06:21
From: M Winther
Subject: Fischer Random?
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Fischer Random Chess isn't particularly attractive, is it? On the
below link I have sumized my own variants which use only
standard equipment.
http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/8x8.htm
Mats
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 11:11:55
From:
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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On Jan 20, 10:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Fischer Random Chess isn't particularly attractive, is it? On the
> below link I have sumized my own variants which use only
> standard equipment.
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> http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/8x8.htm
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> Mats
Can you like at least wait a few days before you bash a game by a
former chess champion, who just died?
To take a shot at anything Bobby Fischer now, in light of his death,
is in very poor taste. This is particularly in poor taste in light of
it also being an attempt of self-promotion on your part.
- Rich
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Date: 21 Jan 2008 18:49:31
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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Den 2008-01-20 20:11:55 skrev <[email protected] >:
> On Jan 20, 10:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fischer Random Chess isn't particularly attractive, is it? On the
>> below link I have sumized my own variants which use only
>> standard equipment.
>>
>> http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/8x8.htm
>>
>> Mats
>
> Can you like at least wait a few days before you bash a game by a
> former chess champion, who just died?
>
> To take a shot at anything Bobby Fischer now, in light of his death,
> is in very poor taste. This is particularly in poor taste in light of
> it also being an attempt of self-promotion on your part.
>
> - Rich
>
Firstly, I haven't bashed Fischer Random, secondly Fischer Random
is not the same as the person Fischer. To identify Fischer Random
with Bobby Fischer is to depreciate the person Fischer immensely.
He was not a game variant but a human being. Moreover, I have not
promoted myself. I gain nothing from this. I have never received any
appreciation for my work. Not even a kind word, and not a single
penny, either. It is not self-promotion to post to such a group as this.
It is self-denigration.
Mats
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 07:24:44
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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My random chess would be simple and more exciting ..
All pawns would be the same and id take all the back pieces off and id
have a plastic eggs in a turner with all the names of the pieces written
on paper ..YOUR opponent would get to pull the eggs out one at a time
and open them and you start on the A file and what ever piece was
picked it would go on the square...Lets say you pick a bishop and King
and then another Bishop , since A-I and C-I are the same color you
would put the bishop on the next opposite color so it would go to D-I .
then the next piece you pull out would go on C-I and then the next piece
you pull out go's to E-I .....
There would be NO castling for either side BUT all the rest of the
rules of chess apply ..
I would have a tournament with the top 20 players in the world and id
call the tournament
THE ULTIMATE CHESS BRAIN .....And id have a crystal brain for a trophy
....
If your king was in the middle on D or E square , tough , and if your
opponents was on H-8 or A-8 so much the better for him , but remember
YOU picked where his pieces are set up ......Even though it was
random....
what do you think about this kind of game ?
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Date: 21 Jan 2008 12:10:35
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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SAT W-7 <[email protected] > wrote:
> If your king was in the middle on D or E square , tough , and if
> your opponents was on H-8 or A-8 so much the better for him , but
> remember YOU picked where his pieces are set up ......Even though it
> was random....
I didn't really understand your description but what difference does
it make if I draw lots for the position of my pieces or my opponent
does? The whole point of a random process is that it doesn't matter
who performs it -- the results are still random.
> what do you think about this kind of game ?
An asymmetrical starting position means that in many cases, one player
starts with an overwhelming advantage. I doubt many strong players
would be interested in playing such positions and they do little to
determine the relative strengths of the players.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Pointy-Haired Sushi (TM): it's like
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a raw fish that's completely clueless!
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Date: 21 Jan 2008 08:27:36
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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I just think it is more exciting if the two players who are picking out
each others pieces for every game ...Anand vs Kramnik pulling out each
others picecs and the next game Polger vs Anand and now Anand is black
and they pull each others pieces out ..Fischer did have a good idea and
it would have been interesting if he played his last tounament like
that...
In fact i kinda feel like playing a game like that .
Just for the heck of it i wrote the names of the pieces on paper and
pulled them out of a hat and here is the set up..
White..
A-I - King..
B-I - Knight
C-I - Rook
D-I - Knight
E-I - Rook
F-I- Bishop
G-I -Bishop
H-I - Queen
and for Black ...
A-8- Rook
B-8- Bishop
C-8- Knight
D-8- Knight
E-8- Bishop
F-8- Rook
G-8- King
H-8- Queen..
as white i think my first move would be G-2 to G-3 opening my queen and
bishop and the queen put pressure on his B-7 pawn .... But his D-8
knight protects the B-7 pawn..
As black my first move would be G-7 to G-6 pawn so the H-8 queen on
the B-2 pawn aiming at the white King...
I pulled the pieces out at random and just think if you were white and
i was black , i think it would be a interesting game ..And if you were
in a tournament you would pick your opponents pieces out at random in
every game you play as black and white and so would the other players .
This would be a battle of the strongest chess brains ....There would be
no castling either but all the other rules would be the same ..
set this up on your chess board and tell us your first one or two moves
.
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 17:19:50
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: Fischer Random?
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Den 2008-01-20 16:24:44 skrev SAT W-7 <[email protected] >:
> My random chess would be simple and more exciting ..
>
> All pawns would be the same and id take all the back pieces off and id
> have a plastic eggs in a turner with all the names of the pieces written
> on paper ..YOUR opponent would get to pull the eggs out one at a time
> and open them and you start on the A file and what ever piece was
> picked it would go on the square...Lets say you pick a bishop and King
> and then another Bishop , since A-I and C-I are the same color you
> would put the bishop on the next opposite color so it would go to D-I .
> then the next piece you pull out would go on C-I and then the next piece
> you pull out go's to E-I .....
> There would be NO castling for either side BUT all the rest of the
> rules of chess apply ..
>
> I would have a tournament with the top 20 players in the world and id
> call the tournament
> THE ULTIMATE CHESS BRAIN .....And id have a crystal brain for a trophy
> ....
>
> If your king was in the middle on D or E square , tough , and if your
> opponents was on H-8 or A-8 so much the better for him , but remember
> YOU picked where his pieces are set up ......Even though it was
> random....
>
> what do you think about this kind of game ?
>
>
This madness deviates strongly from my proposals which are quite
simple and logical.
Mats
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