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Date: 07 Feb 2008 21:04:31
From: help bot
Subject: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
At the official Web site for FIDE there is a lead-in to an article
about Bobby Fischer. Here is how it starts off:

"Robert James Fischer (1943-2008), the only American ever
to become World Chess Champion in 1972 after winning the
title match against Boris Spassky...".


You gotta hand it to these guys-- unlike so many others,
they got the facts straight! Yes, BF was indeed the /only
American/ (or any other nationality, for that matter) to
become champ /in 1972/ and after winning the title match
against that guy. They nailed it. LOL


However, in the main body of the article they goofed by
attributing the *invention* of shuffle-chess to BF; obviously,
this was already well-known in the time of Jose Capablanca,
if not even earlier; all BF did was choose which particular
version he liked best, and slap his name on it; like when I
picked the Ferrari Testarossa... except that they refused
to rename it the helpbottarossa.


I also take issue with the claim that the time-delay clock
has solved the problem of time pressure; in one of my
recent games, I had a theoretically drawn ending, but the
clock had me at just four seconds and I was moving as
quickly as I could; I lost a position that a Class C player
would be embarrassed to lose, that is, were there no time
pressure and had the newfangled clocks solved this
problem, once and for all-- as claimed.


The article maintains that although BF has had many
disputes with "authorities", he almost never had one
with other chess players... WOW! Did they ever miss
the k. In fact, BF attacked numerous other players,
calling them cheaters and accusing them of conspiring
against him; one example is Victor Kortchnoi, who was
unjustly accused by BF of "throwing" his games.


Obviously, the Fischer myth has blinded many to the
simple facts; it reminds me of Paul Morphy, and all the
crazy stuff that has been written about him-- or rather,
about Paul Morphy, the myth... .


-- help bot



http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1578




 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 17:58:26
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
On Feb 13, 12:49 pm, enorip...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > Obviously, the Fischer myth has blinded many to the
> > simple facts; it reminds me of Paul Morphy, and all the
> > crazy stuff that has been written about him-- or rather,
> > about Paul Morphy, the myth... .
>
> Fischer was a hero. You are just a help bot.

I should hope you could find a more worthy
person to idolize than BF.

What about that guy who discovered that
hand-washing saves countless lives? Or
the fellow who invented penicillin? Now,
there's something to admire. Not to say
that medicine is the only worthy field of
endeavor-- far from it. But chess... chess
my boy, is only a game. Bobby Fischer's
utter devotion to mastering the movements
of wooden pieces on a checkered board, is
a sad reflection on the state of society; a
society in which a few individuals cannot
find any way to relate to others, and so
they retreat into an artificial world of such
narrowness that they may just as well be
living on a desert island in the middle of
an ocean, eating coconuts and building
sand castles... .

My advice to you is: don't get caught up
in chess and waste your life away; it is
only a game (though because I am no
doubt higher-rated than you, I am a much
ster person). ; >D


-- help bot




 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 09:49:41
From:
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer

> =A0 Obviously, the Fischer myth has blinded many to the
> simple facts; it reminds me of Paul Morphy, and all the
> crazy stuff that has been written about him-- or rather,
> about Paul Morphy, the myth... .

Fischer was a hero. You are just a help bot.


 
Date: 08 Feb 2008 16:43:29
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
On Feb 8, 12:44 pm, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > However, in the main body of the article they goofed by
> > attributing the *invention* of shuffle-chess to BF; obviously,
> > this was already well-known in the time of Jose Capablanca,
> > if not even earlier; all BF did was choose which particular
> > version he liked best, and slap his name on it; like when I
> > picked the Ferrari Testarossa... except that they refused
> > to rename it the helpbottarossa.
>
> Looks like you love Cars a lot. and Ferrari is your Fav Car. I am fan
> of Bykes as we get good air on Byke and It needs les oil saving the
> Environment.
>
> If you go by Bikes instead of Cars you can save a lot of oil and save
> environment.

True; but then. Ferrari doesn't make bikes.

Maybe I'll have the 900 horsepower engine
pulled, and replace it with something smaller,
like maybe the 700 hp engine from my
Bentley... .


-- enviro-destruct bot


P.S.: I don't really have any of these cars;
you knew that-- right?





  
Date: 10 Feb 2008 23:06:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
On Feb 9, 4:53 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> i have a I968 RT Dodge Charger 440 magnum.

Clint Eastwood apparently liked the .440 magnum,
using it in a "Dirty Harry" movie. But an article in
some gun magazine concluded that, because of
the anticipation of a nasty kick when firing, it was
no more deadly a weapon than the diminutive .22
caliber rifle (which always hits where it's aimed).

Sometimes, my attempts at making a joke are
taken seriously, as here, where I was scolded for
being a destroyer of the environment for driving "my"
Ferrari Testarossa gas-hog. Naturally, if I did own
such a vehicle, I could not afford to actually drive it;
instead, I would trade it for a house, a Toyota Prius,
and move someplace a bit warmer.

Sanny is now claiming that only a genius can
defeat his program-- even on the Beginner level!
I take that as a challenge, and trust me, even if
it takes me the rest of my life, I will uphold the
honor of bot-kind. Sooner or later, I am bound
to discover a miniscule flaw in the program, and
luck into a freak win... .


-- help bot







   
Date: 11 Feb 2008 16:14:14
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
On Feb 11, 3:09 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> I have played my Ivan 400 + times at it's strongest level between I700
> and I800 ELO and won one time ...
> I wish i recorded that game but i did not......
>
> Ivan vs Fritz 5.32 mite be interesting .....we should play them , just
> go to a chat room and play a live game .......

Fritz 5.32 is perhaps around 2600 strength; do you
really hate Ivan so much that you want to see him
get slaughtered by Fritz? Poor Ivan... .


-- help bot


    
Date: 11 Feb 2008 20:01:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
On Feb 11, 9:52 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> wow , i did not think it was that much elo ..
>
> What is Fritz eleven then ? You mite be right to save your money on the
> new Fritz because it could not be much more , maybe 2900 elo ?
> Or has it made 3000 , elo ?

I don't know, but the ChessbaseUSA site
makes it /appear/ that version eleven won't
be released until November 2008.


> I feel that way about Ivan too , i have played it vs Fritz 9 and lost as
> black and white ...On one end game Ivan had his rook protecting a lowly
> pawn while Fritz was attacking the King , i kept yelling at Ivan to move
> the rook to help the King and by the time Ivan woke up and stated to
> move the rook over to help it was pretty much over...ha ha ha.....
> I can see Ivans weakness in the end game when it plays powerful
> programs but i am not good enough to exploit it myself when i play
> Ivan......

Fritz 10 is rated 2856, but there are *free* chess
engines rated even higher!

The thing is, to use an engine inside the Fritz
interface, it has to be a certain type. Personally,
I have "issues" with both the Fritz interface and
the free alternatives which handle the other type
of engines.

For instance, it is very difficult to get Fritz 5.32
to do what I want it to do; the designer seems
to have been from another planet. And yet the
Arena interface, which is free, frequently gets
stuck where you can't move anything until you
figure out what square is "highlighted", then go
and click it just so whereupon you can then
make the next move on the board. Typing in
the moves has its own issues, for the interface
wants to chop off the last letter /sometimes/ and
then decides your next entry is invalid because
it took that letter and placed it in front, as if
/trying/ to muck things up.


-- help bot









    
Date: 11 Feb 2008 18:52:21
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
wow , i did not think it was that much elo ..

What is Fritz eleven then ? You mite be right to save your money on the
new Fritz because it could not be much more , maybe 2900 elo ?
Or has it made 3000 , elo ?

You should look into the one id get HIRCS ,
If i had a real computer id be playing that vs other computers all the
time ...

i would write down all the time limits , 5 min , I0 , 20 , 30 , 45 to
one hour games and keep track of the wins , loses , and draws it has vs
other programs at each of those time limits as black and white and try
and find out the sweet spot . The time limit it wins the most at ...

Id want my program to destroy other programs and crush their silicon
brains.....ha ha ha....

I feel that way about Ivan too , i have played it vs Fritz 9 and lost as
black and white ...On one end game Ivan had his rook protecting a lowly
pawn while Fritz was attacking the King , i kept yelling at Ivan to move
the rook to help the King and by the time Ivan woke up and stated to
move the rook over to help it was pretty much over...ha ha ha.....
I can see Ivans weakness in the end game when it plays powerful
programs but i am not good enough to exploit it myself when i play
Ivan......



   
Date: 11 Feb 2008 12:09:27
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
I have played my Ivan 400 + times at it's strongest level between I700
and I800 ELO and won one time ...
I wish i recorded that game but i did not......

Ivan vs Fritz 5.32 mite be interesting .....we should play them , just
go to a chat room and play a live game .......



  
Date: 09 Feb 2008 13:53:49
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
i have a I968 RT Dodge Charger 440 magnum.



 
Date: 08 Feb 2008 09:44:44
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Forget The Economist: FIDE Knows all about Bobby Fischer
> =A0 However, in the main body of the article they goofed by
> attributing the *invention* of shuffle-chess to BF; obviously,
> this was already well-known in the time of Jose Capablanca,
> if not even earlier; all BF did was choose which particular
> version he liked best, and slap his name on it; like when I
> picked the Ferrari Testarossa... except that they refused
> to rename it the helpbottarossa.

Looks like you love Cars a lot. and Ferrari is your Fav Car. I am fan
of Bykes as we get good air on Byke and It needs les oil saving the
Environment.

If you go by Bikes instead of Cars you can save a lot of oil and save
environment.

Bye
Sanny


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