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Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:50:55
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub playing better than all time.
After the bug was removed 2 days back GetClub is playing very decent
moves.

Play Chess : http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Lets see who will snatch the first position at GetClub this month.

Its very difficult to get a win against even the Beginner Level.

I taked to Rybka Server people and they told me that the server I am
playing with is thinking only 1 sec / move.

So Rybka at 1 sec / move plays as Good as GetClub getting 20 sec /
move.

So GetClub is still 20 times weaker than Rybka.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:39:18
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com (was:GetClub
On Feb 6, 11:19=A0am, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > 28. Rd5-d6 (46) Kc8-c7 (18)
> > 29. c2-c3? (46)
>
> > =A0 With another chance to gain the advantage, GetClub blows it again.
> > Correct was 29.Bd5! cxd5 30.Nxd5+ Kb8 31.Rxa6.
>
> Whats the point in sacrificing a Bishop for 2 Pawns? Just for
> attacking the Queen?

You're not analyzing it thoroughly, Sanny. White ends up winning
Black's queen after 29. Bd5 cxd5 30. Nxd5+ Kb8 31. Rxa6. If he tries
to avoid it, he gets mated, e.g. 31... Qd4 32. Reb6+ Kc8 33. Ra8+ Kd7
34. Ra7+ Kc8 35. Ne7+ Kd8 36. Rb8#. Therefore relatively best is
31...Qxa6 32. Rxa6, when material is even and White has a lot of play
with his active pieces and two passed pawns.



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:19:23
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com (was:GetClub
> 28. Rd5-d6 (46) Kc8-c7 (18)
> 29. c2-c3? (46)
>
> =A0 With another chance to gain the advantage, GetClub blows it again.
> Correct was 29.Bd5! cxd5 30.Nxd5+ Kb8 31.Rxa6.

Whats the point in sacrificing a Bishop for 2 Pawns? Just for
attacking the Queen?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:56:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com (was:GetClub

I also tried Cisana's applet against GetClub's next higher level,
the "Easy" level. The name is apt. Cisana's program made some mistakes
that prolonged the game, but on the whole It was indeed pretty easy to
beat GetClub:

Getclub (easy level) - Cisana applet, 6 February 2009:

1. e2-e4 (2) d7-d5 (20)
2. e4-d5 (0) Qd8-d5 (10)
3. Ng1-f3 (0) Bc8-g4 (30)
4. d2-d4 (40) Bg4-f3 (36)
5. g2-f3 (28) Nb8-c6 (16)
6. Bc1-e3 (30) 0-0-0 (18)

After just six moves Black already stands better.

7. Nb1-c3 (28) Qd5-a5 (16)
8. Bf1-b5 (22)??

And now a serious mistake. Better 8.Qd2 or Qd3 intending 9.0-0-0.

8 ... Nc6-d4! (14)

Of course!

9. Be3-d4 (30) c7-c5?! (22)

Much of Black's subsequent difficulty stem from this. Much better
was 9...e4, winning back the piece and developing the KB without
weakening the pawn structure in the king's field.

10. Bd4-c5 (22) Rd8-d1 (14)
11. Ra1-d1 (22) Ng8-f6 (14)
12. 0-0 (24) a7-a6 (14)
13. b2-b4 (26) Qa5-c7 (14)
14. Bb5-e2 (22) Nf6-d7?! (14)

Natural and much stronger here was 14...e6

15. Nc3-d5 (24) Qc7-e5?! (18)

Better 15...Qc6

16. Nd5-e3? (88)

White misses 16.Nb6+! Nxb6 17.Bxb6 Qg5+ 18.Kh1 e6 19.Rg1 Qf6 20.Rd8+
Kxd8 21.Bxd8 Kxd8, restoring material equality.

16 ... Qe5-g5 (22)
17. Kg1-h1 (24) Nd7-c5 (18)
18. Rd1-d5 (22) e7-e5 (14)
19. b4-c5 (34) Qg5-f6?! (14)

Much better was 19...Be7 intending 20...Rd8, to exchange some rooks.
Black's Q-vs-R+N advantage increases as pieces leave the board.

20. Rf1-d1 (40) Qf6-c6? (16)

Again, 20...Be7 was natural and good. Now Black gets into some
trouble.

21. Rd5-d8 (40) Kc8-c7 (32)
22. Rd1-d5? (0)

Instead, 22.Ra8! intending 23.Rdd8 would have given White the upper
hand.

22. ... g7-g6 (16)
23. Kh1-g1 (76) Bf8-g7 (16)
24. Rd8-d6 (28) Qc6-a4 (14)
25. Be2-c4 (30) f7-f5 (22)
26. Rd6-e6 (50) Kc7-c8 (18)
27. c5-c6 (46) b7-c6 (16)
28. Rd5-d6 (46) Kc8-c7 (18)
29. c2-c3? (46)

With another chance to gain the advantage, GetClub blows it again.
Correct was 29.Bd5! cxd5 30.Nxd5+ Kb8 31.Rxa6.

29. ... a6-a5? (16)
30. Kg1-h1?? (90)

Blowing it yet again! 30.Bd5! would still have worked.

30. ... Rh8-d8! (18)

Finally! Now Black is out of danger. The text simplifies to an
ending where Black is up rook for knight. The rest of the game needs
no commentary.

31. Rd6-c6 (60) Qa4-c6 (14)
32. Re6-c6 (26) Kc7-c6 (12)
33. a2-a4 (20) Kc6-c5 (18)
34. Bc4-b5 (26) Rd8-d2 (16)
35. Kh1-g2 (64) Rd2-a2 (20)
36. c3-c4 (36) Bg7-f6 (14)
37. Kg2-f1 (44) Bf6-g5 (22)
38. Kf1-e1 (28) Bg5-e3 (12)
39. f2-e3 (30) Ra2-h2 (10)
40. Ke1-f1 (24) g6-g5 (10)
41. Bb5-a6 (30) h7-h5 (8)
42. Ba6-b5 (28) g5-g4 (8)
43. f3-g4 (20) f5-g4 (8)
44. Kf1-e1 (32) g4-g3 (10)
45. e3-e4 (44) Rh2-h1 (12)
46. Ke1-d2 (28) g3-g2 (8)
47. Bb5-e8 (96)

Notice that Getclub took considerably longer on average. Black's
times were actually slightly less than shown, by 5 to 10 seconds, due
to having to enter moves by hand.


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:56:45
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com (was:GetClub
> it now plays even
> worse. Some of its moves in the following game are downright foolish.

Which were the wrong moves and what shoild it have played instead?

> =A0GetClub(beginner level) - Cisana, 5 February 2009:
>
> 1. d2-d4 (2) c7-c5 (24)
> 2. d4-d5 (0) Qd8-a5 (14)
> 3. Nb1-c3 (6) Ng8-f6 (14)
> 4. Bc1-f4 (24) Qa5-b4 (16)
> 5. e2-e3 (22) Nf6-d5 (18)
> 6. a2-a3 (0) Nd5-c3 (16)
> 7. a3-b4 (6) Nc3-d1 (10)
> 8. Ke1-d1 (12) Nb8-c6 (12)
> 9. b4-c5 (6) e7-e5 (12)
> 10. Bf4-g3 (8) Bf8-c5 (14)
> 11. Bf1-b5 (8) d7-d6 (14)
> 12. Ra1-a6 (10) Bc8-d7 (18)
> 13. Ra6-a4 (6) a7-a6 (16)
> 14. Bg3-h4 (6) Ke8-g8 (14)
> 15. Bb5-c6 (8) Bd7-c6 (18)
> 16. Ra4-g4 (0) f7-f5 (16)
> 17. Rg4-g3 (12) f5-f4 (14)
> 18. Rg3-g4 (0) Bc6-d7 (14)
> 19. h2-h3 (14) f4-e3 (20)
> 20. f2-e3 (14) Bd7-g4 (14)
> 21. h3-g4 (8) Bc5-e3 (10)
> 22. Ng1-f3 (10) e5-e4 (16)
> 23. Nf3-g5 (6) Be3-g5 (10)
> 24. Bh4-g5 (6) Rf8-f2 (10)
> 25. Rh1-h2 (12) Ra8-c8 (12)
> 26. Bg5-d2 (8) h7-h6 (22)
> 27. c2-c3 (6) Rc8-e8 (14)
> 28. Kd1-c1 (10) e4-e3 (10)
> 29. Bd2-e1 (10) Re8-e4 (20)
> 30. b2-b3 (6) Rf2-a2 (16)
> 31. Be1-g3 (8) Re4-g4 (16)
> 32. Kc1-b1 (6) Ra2-d2 (14)
> 33. Rh2-h3 (6) e3-e2 (12)
> 34. Kb1-c1 (10) Rd2-d1 (12)
> 35. Kc1-b2 (6) Rg4-g3 (12)
> 36. Rh3-h4 (14) e2-e1=3DQ (20)
>
> =A0 0-1

Just let me know the wrong moves then I will see if that can be
removed.

> =A0 Numbers in parentheses areGetClub'sreport of time for each move.
> Cisana's applet usually moved faster, but its times show as longer due
> to my having to enter moves manually for it.

How much time it was taking per move? 10sec / move?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 06:09:24
From:
Subject: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com (was:GetClub playing
On Feb 5, 12:50=A0am, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> After the bug was removed 2 days back GetClub is playing very decent
> moves.
>
> Play Chess :http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Lets see who will snatch the first position at GetClub this month.
>
> Its very difficult to get a win against even the Beginner Level.

No, Sanny, GetClub still sucks more than a Hoover vaccum-cleaner.
After you removed the "bug" that supposedly caused it to lose to
Gianluca Cisana's applet (http://chess.pcriot.com), it now plays even
worse. Some of its moves in the following game are downright foolish.

GetClub (beginner level) - Cisana, 5 February 2009:

1. d2-d4 (2) c7-c5 (24)
2. d4-d5 (0) Qd8-a5 (14)
3. Nb1-c3 (6) Ng8-f6 (14)
4. Bc1-f4 (24) Qa5-b4 (16)
5. e2-e3 (22) Nf6-d5 (18)
6. a2-a3 (0) Nd5-c3 (16)
7. a3-b4 (6) Nc3-d1 (10)
8. Ke1-d1 (12) Nb8-c6 (12)
9. b4-c5 (6) e7-e5 (12)
10. Bf4-g3 (8) Bf8-c5 (14)
11. Bf1-b5 (8) d7-d6 (14)
12. Ra1-a6 (10) Bc8-d7 (18)
13. Ra6-a4 (6) a7-a6 (16)
14. Bg3-h4 (6) Ke8-g8 (14)
15. Bb5-c6 (8) Bd7-c6 (18)
16. Ra4-g4 (0) f7-f5 (16)
17. Rg4-g3 (12) f5-f4 (14)
18. Rg3-g4 (0) Bc6-d7 (14)
19. h2-h3 (14) f4-e3 (20)
20. f2-e3 (14) Bd7-g4 (14)
21. h3-g4 (8) Bc5-e3 (10)
22. Ng1-f3 (10) e5-e4 (16)
23. Nf3-g5 (6) Be3-g5 (10)
24. Bh4-g5 (6) Rf8-f2 (10)
25. Rh1-h2 (12) Ra8-c8 (12)
26. Bg5-d2 (8) h7-h6 (22)
27. c2-c3 (6) Rc8-e8 (14)
28. Kd1-c1 (10) e4-e3 (10)
29. Bd2-e1 (10) Re8-e4 (20)
30. b2-b3 (6) Rf2-a2 (16)
31. Be1-g3 (8) Re4-g4 (16)
32. Kc1-b1 (6) Ra2-d2 (14)
33. Rh2-h3 (6) e3-e2 (12)
34. Kb1-c1 (10) Rd2-d1 (12)
35. Kc1-b2 (6) Rg4-g3 (12)
36. Rh3-h4 (14) e2-e1=3DQ (20)

0-1

Numbers in parentheses are GetClub's report of time for each move.
Cisana's applet usually moved faster, but its times show as longer due
to my having to enter moves manually for it.


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:27:40
From: Gianluca Cisana
Subject: Re: GetClub still sucks, loses again to pcriot.com
Good another Sunday ;-)

Bye, Gianluca

taylor.kingston@comcast.net ha scritto:
> On Feb 5, 12:50 am, Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> After the bug was removed 2 days back GetClub is playing very decent
>> moves.
>>
>> Play Chess :http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>> Lets see who will snatch the first position at GetClub this month.
>>
>> Its very difficult to get a win against even the Beginner Level.
>
> No, Sanny, GetClub still sucks more than a Hoover vaccum-cleaner.
> After you removed the "bug" that supposedly caused it to lose to
> Gianluca Cisana's applet (http://chess.pcriot.com), it now plays even
> worse. Some of its moves in the following game are downright foolish.