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Date: 12 Jan 2008 10:00:03
From: Chess One
Subject: Hello, Sailor!
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Source: The Military Family Network Article: http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=13210 //Phil Innes --- Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship USS Thach Public Affairs 2008-01-12 A Sailor attached to the San Diego-based frigate USS Thach (FFG 43), was recently recognized as the Most Valuable Player at the NATO Chess Championship in Ankara, Turkey. Seaman Buddy K. Duo earned the award for leading the U.S. Armed Forces Team to the overall championship title by winning all of his 26 matches during the competition, despite only playing half the tournament. "The award and the championship are dreams come true," Duo said upon his return to San Diego Jan. 4. "The players at the tournament were excellent so it feels great to have success against them. It's always a challenge to play people who perform at such a high level because it forces you to get better and gives you an appreciation for your own strengths." Duo arrived in Turkey mid-way through the two-week tournament with his team nearly 50 points behind the leaders. He played his first match only five hours after flying in from Las Vegas. Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around the world. The performance impressed United Kingdom Army Maj. Michael Nash, Chairman of the NATO Chess Committee. "As the tournament MVP, Seaman Duo left an indelible k in the lives of all those who participated in this year's tournament," said Nash, whose British team befriended Duo during the stay in Turkey. "His superb character, morale, and leadership make him a very great ambassador for the United States. His chess skills are impeccable, and he truly represented USS Thach, the U.S. Navy, and the United States with incredible class. It was a pleasure to meet him." Duo also had the opportunity to compete in an exhibition match against a Turkish Grand Master, one of the top-rated chess players in the country. The duel ended in a draw and earned Duo points in his own pursuit of the Grand Master rating. "It was very humbling to play against the Grand Master," Duo said. "I feel fortunate that I had the opportunity - I'm glad I played as well as I did against him, but I would have preferred to win outright. It is my goal to be a Grand Master someday so this match was a step in the right direction." Duo is a native of Liberia. He moved to the United States in 2002 and joined the Navy in 2006 after graduating from George Mason University with a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology. On board USS Thach, he works with the Medical Department and is presently seeking a commission. He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June 2007 at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego. "I really had a great time in Turkey," Duo said. "I mostly hung out with the British team but I made a lot of friends from many different places. I hope I get a chance to play against them again sometime soon. It's amazing that the Navy gives you chances to do things like this."
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 06:38:53
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 11:09 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 14, 10:45 am, The Historian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On Jan 14, 9:32 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 13, 7:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof? > > > > An interesting question; personally I have no idea. The article is > > > said to be "From USS Thach Public Affairs SAN DIEGO (NNS)." The Thach > > > is a US Navy frigate (FFG 43) based in San Diego. If it did indeed > > > come from an official Navy source, I'd say someone was duped; I can't > > > imagine why the Navy would knowingly want to publish such a story. > > > There are times when disinformation has its place in military affairs, > > > but this is certainly not one of them. > > > If the report was on Susan Polgar's blog, it seems to have been > > > removed. An internet search came up with a link to Polgar's page > > > >http://koti.mbnet.fi/kimmoko/susanpolgarblog.php > > > > but once there I could not find the article. It _is_ still up at one > > > site: > > > > http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80756.entry > > > > However, this is an almost unreadable blog that seems to cram every > > > piece of Navy-related news indiscriminately onto a single fine-print > > > page. > > > Use the Google Cache feature. > > > Using it, I found: > > > Saturday, January 12, 2008 > > NATO Chess MVP > > > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > > USS Thach Public Affairs > > 2008-01-12 > > > A Sailor attached to the San Diego-based frigate USS Thach (FFG 43), > > was recently recognized as the Most Valuable Player at the NATO Chess > > Championship in Ankara, Turkey. > > > Seaman Buddy K. Duo earned the award for leading the U.S. Armed Forces > > Team to the overall championship ..... > > > "It was very humbling to play against the Grand Master," Duo said. "I > > feel fortunate that I had the opportunity - I'm glad I played as well > > as I did against him, but I would have preferred to win outright. It > > is my goal to be a Grand Master someday so this match was a step in > > the right direction." > > > Here is the full story. > > Posted by Picasa > > > Labels: Buddy K Duo, MVP, NATO > > > posted by SusanPolgar at 1/12/2008 05:18:00 AM > > I tried to find this Duo story at Chessvile, since Innes will print > anything, but the website seems to be down. No sign of the Duo story there. They for once showed more sense than their Business Manager did.
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 22:35:23
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 5:49 pm, [email protected] wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I've received an e-mail from the person who was author of the > story at this point. I'll pass on the gist of the story once the > situation is resolved. Unfortunately at this point I'd hate to say, > it looks very much like the whole story was fabricated and my earlier > speculation about how the story came about is probably correct. > > You can't blame the Polgar Organization or Chessville for picking > up the story, it did come from a reliable source... You can blame them for swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. In particular the inanity about earning points towards a GM title is something GM Polgar's blog should have questioned. of course the > source I recieved it from this morning was believe it or not a Human > Resources source and in the opening line they always have something to > effect "don't believe what you hear, and only half of what you read". > As soon as I seen it I knew it couldn't be true. > > Hopefully I'll close this post out for the group sometime > tomorrow. > > Semper Fi- > -John
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 16:12:02
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Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 6:01=A0pm, [email protected] wrote: > > Yes I can blame Susan Polgar. The United States Military does not tell > > me what to do, General. You call the President > > of the United States, and we will talk. Solider, I don't take your > > orders! > > > cus Roberts > > Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE- Hide quoted text - > > Hey cus, weren't you thrown out of the United States for having > illegal drugs in your room at the U.S. Open or something? > Unfortunately with me, you've got zero credibility. =A0Nuff said. No but I will find you, and see what the military says about you. I am a US citizen, and you should take treason very seriuosly, in the armed services. cus Roberts
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 16:01:31
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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> > Yes I can blame Susan Polgar. The United States Military does not tell > me what to do, General. You call the President > of the United States, and we will talk. Solider, I don't take your > orders! > > cus Roberts > Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE- Hide quoted text - > Hey cus, weren't you thrown out of the United States for having illegal drugs in your room at the U.S. Open or something? Unfortunately with me, you've got zero credibility. Nuff said.
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 15:37:16
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 4:49=A0pm, [email protected] wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > =A0 =A0 =A0I've received an e-mail from the person who was author of the > story at this point. =A0I'll pass on the gist of the story once the > situation is resolved. =A0Unfortunately at this point I'd hate to say, > it looks very much like the whole story was fabricated and my earlier > speculation about how the story came about is probably correct. > > =A0 =A0 =A0You can't blame the Polgar Organization or Chessville for picki= ng > up the story, it did come from a reliable source... of course the > source I recieved it from this morning was believe it or not a Human > Resources source and in the opening line they always have something to > effect "don't believe what you hear, and only half of what you read". > As soon as I seen it I knew it couldn't be true. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Hopefully I'll close this post out for the group sometime > tomorrow. > > Semper Fi- > -John Yes I can blame Susan Polgar. The United States Military does not tell me what to do, General. You call the President of the United States, and we will talk. Solider, I don't take your orders! cus Roberts Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 14:49:54
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I've received an e-mail from the person who was author of the story at this point. I'll pass on the gist of the story once the situation is resolved. Unfortunately at this point I'd hate to say, it looks very much like the whole story was fabricated and my earlier speculation about how the story came about is probably correct. You can't blame the Polgar Organization or Chessville for picking up the story, it did come from a reliable source... of course the source I recieved it from this morning was believe it or not a Human Resources source and in the opening line they always have something to effect "don't believe what you hear, and only half of what you read". As soon as I seen it I knew it couldn't be true. Hopefully I'll close this post out for the group sometime tomorrow. Semper Fi- -John
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 22:18:33
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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> You can't blame the Polgar > Organization Ye of little faith! -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy Ray's new "Project 5000" is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000 Don't rely on overexposed, mass-keted commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 09:15:23
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I've just caught wind of this story and contacted the Navy's MWR Representative. At the moment she's trying to get the story retracted. We are a small tight knit group of chess players, trust me, the first thing I thought when I read this story was "who is he?", then next pulled up the results of the 2007 Inter-Service Championship, and low and behold, he didn't even score a point. Since I can not access the NATO Championship website at work, I contacted LtCol Taffinder whom won the 2007 Inter-Service Championship and confirmed that Seaman Budee Duo was not selected, nor attended the NATO Championship. I don't know at this point if the story is slander written by some Public Affairs Officer, or fed to some Public Affairs clerk by Seaman Duo. Trust me, I really would like to know. If it was Seaman Duo, his chess playing days are probably over, not to mention him applying to become an officer. As I said earlier, we (the Military) are a small tight knit group of chess players. We know who are better players are, our established players, and the up and coming; which Seaman Duo is barely on the radar. If I were to speculate about the circumstances of how the article came to be, I would speculate that Seaman Duo was looking to make the 2008 U.S. Navy team again to compete in the Inter-Service Championship, and needed his command's approval to put in a package, and the publicity would help him... unfortunately the article was way overboard which made him standout like a beacon in the chess community! Semper Fi- -John USMC, retired Chairman, 2007 Armed Forces Open Chess Championship (AFOCC) http://www.timbeeck.com/afocc.html - 2007 AFOCC website http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8094/365/ - USCF AFOCC article - and LOL, don't ask me why there is a large gap in the January 08 issue of Chess Life above the article... my guess is the USCF meant to stick a picture in there.
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Date: 17 Jan 2008 10:19:01
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 17, 3:53=A0am, [email protected] wrote: > On Jan 16, 2:16=A0pm, Matt Nemmers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > cus Roberts wrote: > > > There is no seman Duo in the miltiary databases. > > > Yes, there is. > > > Thankfully, you don't have access to *any* of them. > > > Regards, > > > PSC(SW) Matt Nemmers, United States Navy > > Matt, > > Databases are public record, and I do have access to them, and you are > a disloyal American. > You betray your country, and you are disgraceful. > > cus Roberts Uhhh.....no.
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Date: 17 Jan 2008 13:29:42
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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hello sailor! email me - a little mil-chess action is in view ;) phil
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Date: 17 Jan 2008 01:53:53
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 16, 2:16=A0pm, Matt Nemmers <[email protected] > wrote: > cus Roberts wrote: > > There is no seman Duo in the miltiary databases. > > Yes, there is. > > Thankfully, you don't have access to *any* of them. > > Regards, > > PSC(SW) Matt Nemmers, United States Navy Matt, Databases are public record, and I do have access to them, and you are a disloyal American. You betray your country, and you are disgraceful. cus Roberts
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Date: 16 Jan 2008 12:16:04
From: Matt Nemmers
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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cus Roberts wrote: > There is no seman Duo in the miltiary databases. Yes, there is. Thankfully, you don't have access to *any* of them. Regards, PSC(SW) Matt Nemmers, United States Navy
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 20:14:50
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 15, 5:26=A0pm, [email protected] wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > =A0 =A0 =A0I don't have the full story, but don't really need it to put a > solid theory of how this story came about. =A0Each year around this time > frame the branches of the Armed Forces go out with a message asking > for its top Chess players to submit their resumes for selection to > their various chess teams. =A0The Navy and ine Corps rely upon the > resumes, the Air Force conducts local base tournaments, then holds an > Air Force Championship, and the Army does a combination of both and > then conducts their Army Championship. > > =A0 =A0 =A0My speculation is that SN Duo was probably putting his package > together to apply for the Navy Chess Team once again this year, and to > help his package along frabricated a story (with frabricated proof no > less) to some of those that would approve his package. =A0Someone > thought his story was worth publishing, and walla, the Navy news > release you all have been talking about. =A0Unfortunate... but its on > the road to being fixed. > > =A0 =A0 =A0I have to agree with what The Historian wrote about the hook, > line, and sinker bit. =A0This story practically paragraph by paragraph > had holes in it, it could have been Swiss Cheese they were serving > up. =A0There were alot of flaws and inconsistances that an inexperienced > player such as SN Duo would not know about, and certainly non-players > wouldn't know about either. =A0I feel a bit sorry for the author of the > story as they took the word of SN Duo, and SN Duo was presenting > frabricated documentation to back up his story. =A0The author themselves > probably doesn't play chess, and if they did, probably not a seasoned > rated player. > > =A0 =A0 =A0I've taken all the names and e-mail addresses out of the below = e- > mails below, as this really should be buried at this point. =A0The e- > mail just shows the process of when the author was notified and that > corrective action that is being taken. =A0Errors were made and lessons > learned. =A0I'm sure SN Duo Navy chess playing days have come to an end, > as well as his chance of becoming an officer. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Its a shame, during the years I was able to participate in the > Inter-Service Championship, I don't recall ever running into anyone > that would even think of coming up with such a frabricated story. =A0I > tend to remember the comraderie between the players and the intense > competition that is brought about by playing against the other > branches of service. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Anyways, if any other Military Chess story should happen to pop= > up that may be questionable, please feel free to contact me at > [email protected] or contact our current Chairman for Armed Forces > Chess Representative to the USCF (Steve Rollins, MSgt, USMC, retired) > at [email protected]. > > S/F > -John > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:59 > > =A0 =A0 Thank you for bringing this parody to a quick conclusion. =A0Now i= ts > up to the Navy News Media to pull the story offline as quick as > possible. > It currently is still available athttp://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.= asp?story_id=3D34290, and who > knows > how many other sub-sites picked the story up. > > =A0 =A0 I'm sure appropriate action will be being taken IRT SN Duo's > escapade. =A0I would also hope that any future application for SN Duo to > the > U.S. Navy Chess Team will be denied by his command and the Navy MWR. > SN > Duo's conduct didn't reflect well on upon himself, nor on the U.S. > Armed > Forces Team that competes in the NATO Chess Championship each year. > > R/S > -John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =3DAuthor=3D > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 20:05 > Subject: FW: SN DUO CHESS STORY > > All: > > Unfortunately, we have learned the news release regarding SN Duo's > chess > performance was untrue. =A0I would like to apologize for any > inconvenience > this has caused and for my own premature acceptance of alleged facts > without > independent confirmation - this is valuable lesson in the theory of > "trust > but verify". =A0We like to take our Sailors at face value, particularly > when > it seems like such a positive story and the Sailors have been > outstanding > performers in the past. =A0In this instance, that proved to be the wrong > approach. > > If there is a need for a retraction beyond simply pulling the story, I > will > put something together. > > Very respectfully, > ________________________________ > > From: =3DAuthor=3D > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:53 PM > Subject: SN DUO CHESS STORY > > All: > > With regards to story number NNS080111-16 about USS Thach Sailor SN > Buddy K. > Duo winning MVP honors at the NATO Chess Championship, we are > attempting to > discover ground truth about facts contained in the article. =A0Seaman > Duo > maintains that he has documentation to substantiate his side of the > story - > it is our responsibility as his chain of command to give him a chance > to > refute the allegations. =A0I personally wrote the story based on input > from SN > Duo himself, as well as e-mail input from the U.K. Army major quoted > in the > story. =A0It is indeed unfortunate if the story turns out be > exaggerated, or > worse yet, completely fabricated. =A0If either turns out to be the case, > we > will take corrective action to set the record straight. =A0Thank you for > bringing this matter to our attention. > > Very respectfully,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There is no seman Duo in the miltiary databases. I will open my lines with the Secretary of Defense. Your intelligence operation is closed in the name of US National Security. You have old intelligence Stop this! cus Roberts
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 16:56:22
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 15, 5:26=A0pm, [email protected] wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > =A0 =A0 =A0I don't have the full story, but don't really need it to put a > solid theory of how this story came about. =A0Each year around this time > frame the branches of the Armed Forces go out with a message asking > for its top Chess players to submit their resumes for selection to > their various chess teams. =A0The Navy and ine Corps rely upon the > resumes, the Air Force conducts local base tournaments, then holds an > Air Force Championship, and the Army does a combination of both and > then conducts their Army Championship. > > =A0 =A0 =A0My speculation is that SN Duo was probably putting his package > together to apply for the Navy Chess Team once again this year, and to > help his package along frabricated a story (with frabricated proof no > less) to some of those that would approve his package. =A0Someone > thought his story was worth publishing, and walla, the Navy news > release you all have been talking about. =A0Unfortunate... but its on > the road to being fixed. > > =A0 =A0 =A0I have to agree with what The Historian wrote about the hook, > line, and sinker bit. =A0This story practically paragraph by paragraph > had holes in it, it could have been Swiss Cheese they were serving > up. =A0There were alot of flaws and inconsistances that an inexperienced > player such as SN Duo would not know about, and certainly non-players > wouldn't know about either. =A0I feel a bit sorry for the author of the > story as they took the word of SN Duo, and SN Duo was presenting > frabricated documentation to back up his story. =A0The author themselves > probably doesn't play chess, and if they did, probably not a seasoned > rated player. > > =A0 =A0 =A0I've taken all the names and e-mail addresses out of the below = e- > mails below, as this really should be buried at this point. =A0The e- > mail just shows the process of when the author was notified and that > corrective action that is being taken. =A0Errors were made and lessons > learned. =A0I'm sure SN Duo Navy chess playing days have come to an end, > as well as his chance of becoming an officer. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Its a shame, during the years I was able to participate in the > Inter-Service Championship, I don't recall ever running into anyone > that would even think of coming up with such a frabricated story. =A0I > tend to remember the comraderie between the players and the intense > competition that is brought about by playing against the other > branches of service. > > =A0 =A0 =A0Anyways, if any other Military Chess story should happen to pop= > up that may be questionable, please feel free to contact me at > [email protected] or contact our current Chairman for Armed Forces > Chess Representative to the USCF (Steve Rollins, MSgt, USMC, retired) > at [email protected]. > > S/F > -John > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:59 > > =A0 =A0 Thank you for bringing this parody to a quick conclusion. =A0Now i= ts > up to the Navy News Media to pull the story offline as quick as > possible. > It currently is still available athttp://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.= asp?story_id=3D34290, and who > knows > how many other sub-sites picked the story up. > > =A0 =A0 I'm sure appropriate action will be being taken IRT SN Duo's > escapade. =A0I would also hope that any future application for SN Duo to > the > U.S. Navy Chess Team will be denied by his command and the Navy MWR. > SN > Duo's conduct didn't reflect well on upon himself, nor on the U.S. > Armed > Forces Team that competes in the NATO Chess Championship each year. > > R/S > -John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: =3DAuthor=3D > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 20:05 > Subject: FW: SN DUO CHESS STORY > > All: > > Unfortunately, we have learned the news release regarding SN Duo's > chess > performance was untrue. =A0I would like to apologize for any > inconvenience > this has caused and for my own premature acceptance of alleged facts > without > independent confirmation - this is valuable lesson in the theory of > "trust > but verify". =A0We like to take our Sailors at face value, particularly > when > it seems like such a positive story and the Sailors have been > outstanding > performers in the past. =A0In this instance, that proved to be the wrong > approach. > > If there is a need for a retraction beyond simply pulling the story, I > will > put something together. > > Very respectfully, > ________________________________ > > From: =3DAuthor=3D > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:53 PM > Subject: SN DUO CHESS STORY > > All: > > With regards to story number NNS080111-16 about USS Thach Sailor SN > Buddy K. > Duo winning MVP honors at the NATO Chess Championship, we are > attempting to > discover ground truth about facts contained in the article. =A0Seaman > Duo > maintains that he has documentation to substantiate his side of the > story - > it is our responsibility as his chain of command to give him a chance > to > refute the allegations. =A0I personally wrote the story based on input > from SN > Duo himself, as well as e-mail input from the U.K. Army major quoted > in the > story. =A0It is indeed unfortunate if the story turns out be > exaggerated, or > worse yet, completely fabricated. =A0If either turns out to be the case, > we > will take corrective action to set the record straight. =A0Thank you for > bringing this matter to our attention. > > Very respectfully,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So, the military wants to talk? Threats didn't work, so back to plan A. The military used Seaman Duo as a PAWN. Duo has been framed!
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 15:26:45
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I don't have the full story, but don't really need it to put a solid theory of how this story came about. Each year around this time frame the branches of the Armed Forces go out with a message asking for its top Chess players to submit their resumes for selection to their various chess teams. The Navy and ine Corps rely upon the resumes, the Air Force conducts local base tournaments, then holds an Air Force Championship, and the Army does a combination of both and then conducts their Army Championship. My speculation is that SN Duo was probably putting his package together to apply for the Navy Chess Team once again this year, and to help his package along frabricated a story (with frabricated proof no less) to some of those that would approve his package. Someone thought his story was worth publishing, and walla, the Navy news release you all have been talking about. Unfortunate... but its on the road to being fixed. I have to agree with what The Historian wrote about the hook, line, and sinker bit. This story practically paragraph by paragraph had holes in it, it could have been Swiss Cheese they were serving up. There were alot of flaws and inconsistances that an inexperienced player such as SN Duo would not know about, and certainly non-players wouldn't know about either. I feel a bit sorry for the author of the story as they took the word of SN Duo, and SN Duo was presenting frabricated documentation to back up his story. The author themselves probably doesn't play chess, and if they did, probably not a seasoned rated player. I've taken all the names and e-mail addresses out of the below e- mails below, as this really should be buried at this point. The e- mail just shows the process of when the author was notified and that corrective action that is being taken. Errors were made and lessons learned. I'm sure SN Duo Navy chess playing days have come to an end, as well as his chance of becoming an officer. Its a shame, during the years I was able to participate in the Inter-Service Championship, I don't recall ever running into anyone that would even think of coming up with such a frabricated story. I tend to remember the comraderie between the players and the intense competition that is brought about by playing against the other branches of service. Anyways, if any other Military Chess story should happen to pop up that may be questionable, please feel free to contact me at [email protected] or contact our current Chairman for Armed Forces Chess Representative to the USCF (Steve Rollins, MSgt, USMC, retired) at [email protected]. S/F -John ------------------------------------------------------------ Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:59 Thank you for bringing this parody to a quick conclusion. Now its up to the Navy News Media to pull the story offline as quick as possible. It currently is still available at http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=34290, and who knows how many other sub-sites picked the story up. I'm sure appropriate action will be being taken IRT SN Duo's escapade. I would also hope that any future application for SN Duo to the U.S. Navy Chess Team will be denied by his command and the Navy MWR. SN Duo's conduct didn't reflect well on upon himself, nor on the U.S. Armed Forces Team that competes in the NATO Chess Championship each year. R/S -John -----Original Message----- From: =Author= Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 20:05 Subject: FW: SN DUO CHESS STORY All: Unfortunately, we have learned the news release regarding SN Duo's chess performance was untrue. I would like to apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and for my own premature acceptance of alleged facts without independent confirmation - this is valuable lesson in the theory of "trust but verify". We like to take our Sailors at face value, particularly when it seems like such a positive story and the Sailors have been outstanding performers in the past. In this instance, that proved to be the wrong approach. If there is a need for a retraction beyond simply pulling the story, I will put something together. Very respectfully, ________________________________ From: =Author= Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: SN DUO CHESS STORY All: With regards to story number NNS080111-16 about USS Thach Sailor SN Buddy K. Duo winning MVP honors at the NATO Chess Championship, we are attempting to discover ground truth about facts contained in the article. Seaman Duo maintains that he has documentation to substantiate his side of the story - it is our responsibility as his chain of command to give him a chance to refute the allegations. I personally wrote the story based on input from SN Duo himself, as well as e-mail input from the U.K. Army major quoted in the story. It is indeed unfortunate if the story turns out be exaggerated, or worse yet, completely fabricated. If either turns out to be the case, we will take corrective action to set the record straight. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. Very respectfully,
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 12:23:36
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 15, 4:50=A0am, Nomen Nescio <[email protected] > wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > > =A0 =A0 =A0I've just caught wind of this story and contacted the Navy's = MWR > > Representative. =A0At the moment she's trying to get the story > > retracted. =A0We are a small tight knit group of chess players, trust > > me, the first thing I thought when I read this story was "who is he?", > > then next pulled up the results of the 2007 Inter-Service > > Championship, and low and behold, he didn't even score a point. =A0Since= > > I can not access the NATO Championship website at work, I contacted > > LtCol Taffinder whom won the 2007 Inter-Service Championship and > > confirmed that Seaman Budee Duo was not selected, nor attended the > > NATO Championship. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0I don't know at this point if the story is slander written by= > > some Public Affairs Officer, or fed to some Public Affairs clerk by > > Seaman Duo. =A0Trust me, I really would like to know. =A0If it was Seama= n > > Duo, his chess playing days are probably over, not to mention him > > applying to become an officer. > > > =A0 =A0 =A0As I said earlier, we (the Military) are a small tight knit g= roup > > of chess players. =A0We know who are better players are, our established= > > players, and the up and coming; which Seaman Duo is barely on the > > radar. =A0If I were to speculate about the circumstances of how the > > article came to be, I would speculate that Seaman Duo was looking to > > make the 2008 U.S. Navy team again to compete in the Inter-Service > > Championship, and needed his command's approval to put in a package, > > and the publicity would help him... unfortunately the article was way > > overboard which made him standout like a beacon in the chess > > community! > > > Semper Fi- > > -John > > USMC, retired > > Chairman, 2007 Armed Forces Open Chess Championship (AFOCC) > >http://www.timbeeck.com/afocc.html- 2007 AFOCC website > >http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8094/365/- USCF AFOCC article - > > and LOL, don't ask me why there is a large gap in the January 08 issue > > of Chess Life above the article... my guess is the USCF meant to stick > > a picture in there. > > John, > Hey there! The thing was nothing at all to do with Duo, like Truong he was= > set up. For full details of who is actually responsible, you could do wors= e > than liaise with Mr cus W. Roberts, B.Sc. "with Honor", 23412 NW CR 167= , > Fountain, FL 32438. I surmise you know of the gentleman already. > This dude has grievances against the USCF (I just looked up his Life Membe= r > No., it is 12421655), our military (his phone number is 850 722 7551), the= > Polgar Foundation (whom he keeps writing scandalous material about, even > mentioning death threats, urination, anal rape, pedophilia) and Chessville= > (from where cus plagiarized material). The last two were understandably= > conned by the story, given its respectable source. > Be warned that Mad cus isn't a name given to him in jest, and he is not= > in full possession of his senses. When you send the boys around to "assist= " > him, the code status is orange and they need to carry carbines, a pair of > bracelets and a special jacket in which to take him away. He is well known= > to cops in several places in connection with reported threats of violence.= > I would search his place thoroughly, Crossville Tennessee PD will help to > show probable cause. Ring 931 484 8733 and mention "bomb threats" if their= > memory needs jogging. But Dave can't have forgotten Mad cus the Biter. > Don't assume any white powder the boys find is what you first suspect. Nah= , > cus isn't still into those things. The powder could be something worse.= > Think about it and don't try to taste it. Protective gear and down to the > labs with the sample. Give Duo 2 minutes with cus and God Bless America= .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - FBI needs this to stay, when they look later. The US military will be upset about how this hurts our troops abraod. Military Chess is OVER, for a few years. I have an e-mail from the Iranians about this.... cus Roberts
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Date: 15 Jan 2008 11:50:05
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, <[email protected] > wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I've just caught wind of this story and contacted the Navy's MWR > Representative. At the moment she's trying to get the story > retracted. We are a small tight knit group of chess players, trust > me, the first thing I thought when I read this story was "who is he?", > then next pulled up the results of the 2007 Inter-Service > Championship, and low and behold, he didn't even score a point. Since > I can not access the NATO Championship website at work, I contacted > LtCol Taffinder whom won the 2007 Inter-Service Championship and > confirmed that Seaman Budee Duo was not selected, nor attended the > NATO Championship. > > I don't know at this point if the story is slander written by > some Public Affairs Officer, or fed to some Public Affairs clerk by > Seaman Duo. Trust me, I really would like to know. If it was Seaman > Duo, his chess playing days are probably over, not to mention him > applying to become an officer. > > As I said earlier, we (the Military) are a small tight knit group > of chess players. We know who are better players are, our established > players, and the up and coming; which Seaman Duo is barely on the > radar. If I were to speculate about the circumstances of how the > article came to be, I would speculate that Seaman Duo was looking to > make the 2008 U.S. Navy team again to compete in the Inter-Service > Championship, and needed his command's approval to put in a package, > and the publicity would help him... unfortunately the article was way > overboard which made him standout like a beacon in the chess > community! > > Semper Fi- > -John > USMC, retired > Chairman, 2007 Armed Forces Open Chess Championship (AFOCC) > http://www.timbeeck.com/afocc.html - 2007 AFOCC website > http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8094/365/ - USCF AFOCC article - > and LOL, don't ask me why there is a large gap in the January 08 issue > of Chess Life above the article... my guess is the USCF meant to stick > a picture in there. John, Hey there! The thing was nothing at all to do with Duo, like Truong he was set up. For full details of who is actually responsible, you could do worse than liaise with Mr cus W. Roberts, B.Sc. "with Honor", 23412 NW CR 167, Fountain, FL 32438. I surmise you know of the gentleman already. This dude has grievances against the USCF (I just looked up his Life Member No., it is 12421655), our military (his phone number is 850 722 7551), the Polgar Foundation (whom he keeps writing scandalous material about, even mentioning death threats, urination, anal rape, pedophilia) and Chessville (from where cus plagiarized material). The last two were understandably conned by the story, given its respectable source. Be warned that Mad cus isn't a name given to him in jest, and he is not in full possession of his senses. When you send the boys around to "assist" him, the code status is orange and they need to carry carbines, a pair of bracelets and a special jacket in which to take him away. He is well known to cops in several places in connection with reported threats of violence. I would search his place thoroughly, Crossville Tennessee PD will help to show probable cause. Ring 931 484 8733 and mention "bomb threats" if their memory needs jogging. But Dave can't have forgotten Mad cus the Biter. Don't assume any white powder the boys find is what you first suspect. Nah, cus isn't still into those things. The powder could be something worse. Think about it and don't try to taste it. Protective gear and down to the labs with the sample. Give Duo 2 minutes with cus and God Bless America.
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 22:08:18
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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<[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I've just caught wind of this story and contacted the Navy's MWR > Representative. At the moment she's trying to get the story > retracted. We are a small tight knit group of chess players, trust > me, the first thing I thought when I read this story was "who is he?", > then next pulled up the results of the 2007 Inter-Service > Championship, and low and behold, he didn't even score a point. Since > I can not access the NATO Championship website at work, I contacted > LtCol Taffinder whom won the 2007 Inter-Service Championship and > confirmed that Seaman Budee Duo was not selected, nor attended the > NATO Championship. > > I don't know at this point if the story is slander written by > some Public Affairs Officer, or fed to some Public Affairs clerk by > Seaman Duo. Trust me, I really would like to know. If it was Seaman > Duo, his chess playing days are probably over, not to mention him > applying to become an officer. > > As I said earlier, we (the Military) are a small tight knit group > of chess players. We know who are better players are, our established > players, and the up and coming; which Seaman Duo is barely on the > radar. If I were to speculate about the circumstances of how the > article came to be, I would speculate that Seaman Duo was looking to > make the 2008 U.S. Navy team again to compete in the Inter-Service > Championship, and needed his command's approval to put in a package, > and the publicity would help him... unfortunately the article was way > overboard which made him standout like a beacon in the chess > community! > > Semper Fi- > -John > USMC, retired > Chairman, 2007 Armed Forces Open Chess Championship (AFOCC) > http://www.timbeeck.com/afocc.html - 2007 AFOCC website > http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8094/365/ - USCF AFOCC article - > and LOL, don't ask me why there is a large gap in the January 08 issue > of Chess Life above the article... my guess is the USCF meant to stick > a picture in there. Perhaps you folks could take over for the USCF??!! :-)
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 08:09:36
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 10:45 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 14, 9:32 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 13, 7:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof? > > > An interesting question; personally I have no idea. The article is > > said to be "From USS Thach Public Affairs SAN DIEGO (NNS)." The Thach > > is a US Navy frigate (FFG 43) based in San Diego. If it did indeed > > come from an official Navy source, I'd say someone was duped; I can't > > imagine why the Navy would knowingly want to publish such a story. > > There are times when disinformation has its place in military affairs, > > but this is certainly not one of them. > > If the report was on Susan Polgar's blog, it seems to have been > > removed. An internet search came up with a link to Polgar's page > > >http://koti.mbnet.fi/kimmoko/susanpolgarblog.php > > > but once there I could not find the article. It _is_ still up at one > > site: > > > http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80756.entry > > > However, this is an almost unreadable blog that seems to cram every > > piece of Navy-related news indiscriminately onto a single fine-print > > page. > > Use the Google Cache feature. > > Using it, I found: > > Saturday, January 12, 2008 > NATO Chess MVP > > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > USS Thach Public Affairs > 2008-01-12 > > A Sailor attached to the San Diego-based frigate USS Thach (FFG 43), > was recently recognized as the Most Valuable Player at the NATO Chess > Championship in Ankara, Turkey. > > Seaman Buddy K. Duo earned the award for leading the U.S. Armed Forces > Team to the overall championship ..... > > "It was very humbling to play against the Grand Master," Duo said. "I > feel fortunate that I had the opportunity - I'm glad I played as well > as I did against him, but I would have preferred to win outright. It > is my goal to be a Grand Master someday so this match was a step in > the right direction." > > Here is the full story. > Posted by Picasa > > Labels: Buddy K Duo, MVP, NATO > > posted by SusanPolgar at 1/12/2008 05:18:00 AM I tried to find this Duo story at Chessvile, since Innes will print anything, but the website seems to be down.
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 07:45:39
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 14, 9:32 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 13, 7:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof? > > An interesting question; personally I have no idea. The article is > said to be "From USS Thach Public Affairs SAN DIEGO (NNS)." The Thach > is a US Navy frigate (FFG 43) based in San Diego. If it did indeed > come from an official Navy source, I'd say someone was duped; I can't > imagine why the Navy would knowingly want to publish such a story. > There are times when disinformation has its place in military affairs, > but this is certainly not one of them. > If the report was on Susan Polgar's blog, it seems to have been > removed. An internet search came up with a link to Polgar's page > > http://koti.mbnet.fi/kimmoko/susanpolgarblog.php > > but once there I could not find the article. It _is_ still up at one > site: > > http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80756.entry > > However, this is an almost unreadable blog that seems to cram every > piece of Navy-related news indiscriminately onto a single fine-print > page. Use the Google Cache feature. Using it, I found: Saturday, January 12, 2008 NATO Chess MVP Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship USS Thach Public Affairs 2008-01-12 A Sailor attached to the San Diego-based frigate USS Thach (FFG 43), was recently recognized as the Most Valuable Player at the NATO Chess Championship in Ankara, Turkey. Seaman Buddy K. Duo earned the award for leading the U.S. Armed Forces Team to the overall championship ..... "It was very humbling to play against the Grand Master," Duo said. "I feel fortunate that I had the opportunity - I'm glad I played as well as I did against him, but I would have preferred to win outright. It is my goal to be a Grand Master someday so this match was a step in the right direction." Here is the full story. Posted by Picasa Labels: Buddy K Duo, MVP, NATO posted by SusanPolgar at 1/12/2008 05:18:00 AM
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 06:32:21
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 7:30=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > > LOL! =A0Now, who really wrote the spoof? An interesting question; personally I have no idea. The article is said to be "From USS Thach Public Affairs SAN DIEGO (NNS)." The Thach is a US Navy frigate (FFG 43) based in San Diego. If it did indeed come from an official Navy source, I'd say someone was duped; I can't imagine why the Navy would knowingly want to publish such a story. There are times when disinformation has its place in military affairs, but this is certainly not one of them. If the report was on Susan Polgar's blog, it seems to have been removed. An internet search came up with a link to Polgar's page http://koti.mbnet.fi/kimmoko/susanpolgarblog.php but once there I could not find the article. It _is_ still up at one site: http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80756.entry However, this is an almost unreadable blog that seems to cram every piece of Navy-related news indiscriminately onto a single fine-print page.
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 17:11:38
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 6:46=A0pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 13, 7:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >news:38745f29-1f71-4162-a3b9-5a192131eeeb@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...= > > On Jan 12, 8:32 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There is no record of Duo having played in this > > > event.http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&t= ask=3Dsho... > > > =A0 I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network > > administrator: > > > Dear Mr. Kingston > > > The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. =A0Some reports are= > > sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter > > though. =A0Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. > > > Lou > > > Luis Trevino > > VP Media and Communications > > > LOL! =A0Now, who really wrote the spoof? > > What a triumph this is for the journalism of P Innes, S Polgar, and P > Truong! =A0 (Innes lifted this curious item from Trollgar's website.) We > await the P Innes report on the death of Peter Leko.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Oh the story is FAR bigger than these few blogs. I just sit in FIDE govenrment, so I am afraid to make further public comments in time of Chess war. This is really complex, and remember, with spies, you always have false flags. The real isses for the story have to do with some e-mails that are not yet public, and this is all one big attempt to decieve. Whoever funds Susan Polgar hates this newsgroup! I feel sorry for the sailor. He might not get his comission if he made a mistake in this... cus Roberts Permanent Delegate of St kitts and Nevis to FIDE
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 16:46:09
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 7:30 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:38745f29-1f71-4162-a3b9-5a192131eeeb@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 12, 8:32 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is no record of Duo having played in this > > event.http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_turnuva&task=sho... > > I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network > administrator: > > Dear Mr. Kingston > > The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. Some reports are > sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter > though. Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. > > Lou > > Luis Trevino > VP Media and Communications > > LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof? What a triumph this is for the journalism of P Innes, S Polgar, and P Truong! (Innes lifted this curious item from Trollgar's website.) We await the P Innes report on the death of Peter Leko.
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 16:00:34
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 5:08=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 12, 8:32=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is no record of Duo having played in this event.http://natochess20= 07.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dsho... > > =A0 I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network > administrator: > > Dear Mr. Kingston > > The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. =A0Some reports are > sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter > though. =A0Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. > > Lou > > Luis Trevino > VP Media and Communications Undercover military intelligence. I hate it when they go and move in spies on FIDE. We have an article V right to play chess free of harassment of military intelligence. Go find antoher sport to spy on your neighboor! We play chess DURING WARS, and this is bad policy for FIDE! cus Roberts Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 15:08:16
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 8:32=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > There is no record of Duo having played in this event.http://natochess2007= .tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dsho... I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network administrator: Dear Mr. Kingston The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. Some reports are sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter though. Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. Lou Luis Trevino VP Media and Communications
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 00:30:57
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:38745f29-1f71-4162-a3b9-5a192131eeeb@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jan 12, 8:32 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > There is no record of Duo having played in this > event.http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_turnuva&task=sho... I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network administrator: Dear Mr. Kingston The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. Some reports are sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter though. Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. Lou Luis Trevino VP Media and Communications LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof?
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Date: 14 Jan 2008 03:40:03
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:38745f29-1f71-4162-a3b9-5a192131eeeb@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 12, 8:32 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is no record of Duo having played in this > > event.http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_turnuva&task > > =sho... > > I just got this e-mail from the Military Family Network > administrator: > > Dear Mr. Kingston > > The story you have reported to MFN has been removed. Some reports are > sent to MFN and once in a while one that has inaccuracies will filter > though. Thank you for notifying MFN on such a story. > > Lou > > Luis Trevino > VP Media and Communications > > LOL! Now, who really wrote the spoof? I dod. So?
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 14:59:37
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 4:30=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:a22230cd-b602-43f0-8102-8ec435c4523a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 13, 4:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >news:d6c82070-6504-4a61-b696-bd6f095c422d@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...= > > On Jan 13, 2:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" = is > > > all > > > about. Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing? > > > That same sentence raises another question, when it says "more than > > 40 teams" competed: > > > "Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and > > spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around > > the world." > > ______________________________ > > > Maybe he played in a NATO scholastic event in Turkey. :-) > > =A0 Good one! Last I checked, the US Navy has a minimum age requirement. > And even if it did not, the article indicates he's a bit too old for > that: > > "Duo is a native of Liberia. He moved to the United States in 2002 and > joined the Navy in 2006 after graduating from George Mason University > with a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology." > _________________________________ > > I realized that, too. =A0But, IIRC, you can join the Navy at 17, so there > could be some Navy scholastic players.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Do do we agree this artilce is a fraud from the Polgar camp?
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 13:43:48
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 4:12=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:d6c82070-6504-4a61-b696-bd6f095c422d@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 13, 2:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" is= > > all > > about. Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing? > > =A0 That same sentence raises another question, when it says "more than > 40 teams" competed: > > =A0 "Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and > spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around > the world." > ______________________________ > > Maybe he played in a NATO scholastic event in Turkey. :-) Good one! Last I checked, the US Navy has a minimum age requirement. And even if it did not, the article indicates he's a bit too old for that: "Duo is a native of Liberia. He moved to the United States in 2002 and joined the Navy in 2006 after graduating from George Mason University with a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology."
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 22:30:51
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:a22230cd-b602-43f0-8102-8ec435c4523a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Jan 13, 4:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:d6c82070-6504-4a61-b696-bd6f095c422d@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 13, 2:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" is > > all > > about. Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing? > > That same sentence raises another question, when it says "more than > 40 teams" competed: > > "Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and > spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around > the world." > ______________________________ > > Maybe he played in a NATO scholastic event in Turkey. :-) Good one! Last I checked, the US Navy has a minimum age requirement. And even if it did not, the article indicates he's a bit too old for that: "Duo is a native of Liberia. He moved to the United States in 2002 and joined the Navy in 2006 after graduating from George Mason University with a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology." _________________________________ I realized that, too. But, IIRC, you can join the Navy at 17, so there could be some Navy scholastic players.
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 13:05:08
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 13, 2:33=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > > I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" is a= ll > about. =A0Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing? That same sentence raises another question, when it says "more than 40 teams" competed: "Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around the world." Yet the NATO site shows players from only 11 different countries, and there was no "team" competition per se; the crosstable shows the kind of pairings you have in an individual Swiss. The date of the MFN article is 12 January 2008, yet the NATO event took place September 2-8 2007. Very puzzling. 18TH NATO CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP Team composition 1 GERMANY Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Elisabeth Paehtz 2457 GER Franz Sirch 2168 GER Guido Schott 2185 GER Lorenz Drabke 2416 GER k Helbig 2334 GER Philipp Mai 2300 GER 2 LITHUANIA Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Arturas Voroblievas 1897 LIT Dangiras Kacevicius 0 LIT Rytis Ermalis 2039 LIT Vaidotas Bublys 0 LIT Vytautas Vaznonis 2315 LIT Vladas Lukjanovas 0 LIT 3 NATO Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Alper Salih Y=FDlmaz 0 NAT Cihan Dilek 0 NAT Ismail Soysal 0 NAT Mehmet Tekin 1925 NAT Sedat Zengin 2069 NAT Jean Prevel 1998 NAT Yannick Petat 1956 NAT Hendrik Steffers 1987 NAT Karl Koopmeiners 1954 NAT O'neill Stephen 0 NAT 4 NETHERLANDS Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Harm Theo Wagenaar 2121 NET Jan Cheung 2098 NET Rieke Van Run 2133 NET Wouter Van Rijn 2203 NET co De Waard 2150 NET 5 NORWAY Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Frank Svendsen 0 NOR Frode Lillevold 2092 NOR Henrik Sjol 1904 NOR Magnus Danielsen 2015 NOR Oystein Hole 2400 NOR Terje Nilsen 2015 NOR 6 SPAIN Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Abel Carrascoso 2214 SPA Aurelio Sanchez 2120 SPA Francisco Cuadrado 1937 SPA Garcia Joaquin Razola 2138 SPA 7 TURKEY Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Devrim Alaslar 2143 TUR Huseyin Ince 0 TUR Koray Kartal 0 TUR Neset Daler 2029 TUR Sedat Berrak 2083 TUR Serdar Sari 2102 TUR 8 UK Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Denner Philip 0 UK Emmins Karl 0 UK Lefevre Stephen 0 UK Morrison Munroe 0 UK Parker Glen D. 2015 UK Toll Alec J. 2102 UK 9 USA Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Benjamin Barquin 0 USA Douglas Taffinder 2078 USA Jhonel Baniel 0 USA Nathaniel Ola 0 USA Sema Sebwe 0 USA Samuel Echaure 0 USA 10 POLAND Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Mateusz Sypien 2205 POL Krzysztof Kapral 2162 POL Piotr Bieluszewski 2144 POL Zygmunt Pioch 2209 POL Saturnin Skindzier 2203 POL Witold Sarnowski 1969 POL 11 FRANCE Rtg-=D8:0 Name IRtg FED Michael Bon 2245 FRA Frederic Giua 2204 FRA Patrick Lebel 2184 FRA Laurent Picart 2121 FRA Thierry L'henoret 2103 FRA Fran=E7ois Mottais 2021 FRA
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 21:12:19
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:d6c82070-6504-4a61-b696-bd6f095c422d@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... On Jan 13, 2:33 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > > I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" is > all > about. Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing? That same sentence raises another question, when it says "more than 40 teams" competed: "Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and spearheaded the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around the world." ______________________________ Maybe he played in a NATO scholastic event in Turkey. :-)
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 09:45:50
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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I have sent the following e-mail to one of the administrators of the Military Family Network: Dear Sir, An article found on your website here: http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=3D13210 claims to report on the recent NATO Chess Championship, in particular on the success of a US Navy sailor named Buddy K. Duo, who is said to have led the US team to victory by winning "26 matches" even though he played in only half the tournament. As far as I have been able to determine, the article is wrong on so many counts that I suspect it is a total fabrication. As you can see from these reports on the official NATO Chess website: http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dshow&d= osya=3D26&Itemid=3D26 http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dshow&d= osya=3D8&Itemid=3D8 Mr. Duo did not even take part in the event, nor did the US team win any championship. The event was an individual-against-individual event of 7 rounds, not 26, much less 52. It was won by a Lithuanian. Furthermore, while Mr. Duo is a chess player registered with the US Chess Federation, he seems to be a mere beginner who has yet to win a single game in USCF-rated play, as you can see here: http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 It is virtually impossible for someone of such a low rating to win 26 straight games against anyone, let alone the class of players at a NATO Championship, many of whom are strong masters. I suppose it is remotely possible that the MFN report refers to some other event, but this seems very unlikely. I strongly suspect this report is a hoax. I recommend you look into it, perhaps contact whoever posted it originally, and if confirmation is not forthcoming, remove the report from your site. Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss this further. Yours truly, Taylor Kingston On Jan 13, 11:58=A0am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 12, 8:32=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is no record of Duo having played in this event.http://natochess20= 07.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dsho... > > =A0 By George, you're right. The winner was Vytautas Vaznonis 2315 of > Lithuania, scoring 6 points. Top USA players were: > > Taffinder Douglas > Echaure Samuel > Ola Nathaniel > > all with 4. The other two Americans were: > > Barquin Benjamin > Sebwe Sema > > both with 2. > > =A0 It would appear that the article from The Military Family Network > either (a) is a complete fabrication, or (b) refers to some other > event entirely. The NATO link shows what appears to be an individual > Swiss System tournament of 6 rounds. The MFN article says Duo led "the > U.S. Armed Forces Team to the overall championship title by winning > all of his 26 matches during the competition, despite only playing > half the tournament," which make this sound like a 52-round team > event. All rather implausible, at best.
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 08:58:57
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 8:32=A0pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > There is no record of Duo having played in this event.http://natochess2007= .tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=3Dcom_turnuva&task=3Dsho... > By George, you're right. The winner was Vytautas Vaznonis 2315 of Lithuania, scoring 6 points. Top USA players were: Taffinder Douglas Echaure Samuel Ola Nathaniel all with 4. The other two Americans were: Barquin Benjamin Sebwe Sema both with 2. It would appear that the article from The Military Family Network either (a) is a complete fabrication, or (b) refers to some other event entirely. The NATO link shows what appears to be an individual Swiss System tournament of 6 rounds. The MFN article says Duo led "the U.S. Armed Forces Team to the overall championship title by winning all of his 26 matches during the competition, despite only playing half the tournament," which make this sound like a 52-round team event. All rather implausible, at best.
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 19:33:46
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:0589fdd6-c0a0-4980-99d6-b02176ad58d3@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Jan 12, 8:32 pm, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected] > wrote: > There is no record of Duo having played in this > event.http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_turnuva&task=sho... > By George, you're right. The winner was Vytautas Vaznonis 2315 of Lithuania, scoring 6 points. Top USA players were: Taffinder Douglas Echaure Samuel Ola Nathaniel all with 4. The other two Americans were: Barquin Benjamin Sebwe Sema both with 2. It would appear that the article from The Military Family Network either (a) is a complete fabrication, or (b) refers to some other event entirely. The NATO link shows what appears to be an individual Swiss System tournament of 6 rounds. The MFN article says Duo led "the U.S. Armed Forces Team to the overall championship title by winning all of his 26 matches during the competition, despite only playing half the tournament," which make this sound like a 52-round team event. All rather implausible, at best. I wonder what the reference in the article to Duo's "freestyle chess" is all about. Was this chess wrestling or chess boxing?
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 14:00:37
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 2:54=A0pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Taylor Kingston" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:3703eaf2-7e08-4fd3-9744-bed0458e1fca@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 12, 10:00 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Source: The Military Family Network > > Article:http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=3D13210 > > > //Phil Innes > > > --- > > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > > USS Thach Public Affairs > > 2008-01-12 > > He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by > > taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June > > 2007 > > at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego. > > =A0 I wonder if this is a case of mistaken identity. According to the > USCF report here: > > http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?200706144021-13704221 > > the Interservice Ch. was a 4-way tie between guys named Taffinder, > Echaure, Ola and Baniel. Could it be one of them who played in the > NATO event, and not this Duo? Just groping for a plausible explanation > here. > > =A0 BTW, Phil, I apologize for attributing this post of yours to Sloan > earlier. His was the next post in the thread. > > --- > No apology =A0necessary - anything to do with Sloan is already as confused= and > up-ended as spin can make it. I don't know more about the circumstance tha= n > was in the original report - but I think drawing a GM is quite an > achievement, that and coming top-equal in the interservice rather unlikely= > from an 1117 player. > > Phil What this means is becasue it is military, Susan's goons will not hunt this down, and investigate it. However, in an rumored pissing match about a GM norm in IL, we investigate. Your rank or social status in Chess give you immunity from the Chess Police. The FIDE Delegates, which is the heart of fight on St Kitts and Nevis, are haredly ever punished for anything. My point isn't about mistaken identity, it is our double standard, even if the enlisted sailer is a GM. This is about rank! cus Roberts
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 12:37:20
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 10:00=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > Source: The Military Family Network > Article:http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=3D13210 > > //Phil Innes > > --- > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > USS Thach Public Affairs > 2008-01-12 > He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by > taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June 200= 7 > at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego. I wonder if this is a case of mistaken identity. According to the USCF report here: http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?200706144021-13704221 the Interservice Ch. was a 4-way tie between guys named Taffinder, Echaure, Ola and Baniel. Could it be one of them who played in the NATO event, and not this Duo? Just groping for a plausible explanation here. BTW, Phil, I apologize for attributing this post of yours to Sloan earlier. His was the next post in the thread.
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 15:54:54
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"Taylor Kingston" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:3703eaf2-7e08-4fd3-9744-bed0458e1fca@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... On Jan 12, 10:00 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > Source: The Military Family Network > Article:http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=13210 > > //Phil Innes > > --- > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > USS Thach Public Affairs > 2008-01-12 > He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by > taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June > 2007 > at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego. I wonder if this is a case of mistaken identity. According to the USCF report here: http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?200706144021-13704221 the Interservice Ch. was a 4-way tie between guys named Taffinder, Echaure, Ola and Baniel. Could it be one of them who played in the NATO event, and not this Duo? Just groping for a plausible explanation here. BTW, Phil, I apologize for attributing this post of yours to Sloan earlier. His was the next post in the thread. --- No apology necessary - anything to do with Sloan is already as confused and up-ended as spin can make it. I don't know more about the circumstance than was in the original report - but I think drawing a GM is quite an achievement, that and coming top-equal in the interservice rather unlikely from an 1117 player. Phil
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 12:06:29
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 1:34=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jan 12, 10:29=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >news:[email protected]... > > > > This person is rated 1117 and lost every game in the Interservice > > > Championship. > > > >http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 > > > > How is this possible? > > > You obviously haven't been reading the ratings commentaries here, where = I > > was alarmed to learn that even by one reckoning, 20 draws against 2,000 > > players would yield me a rating of 1440. > > > I suspect this is also because the 1117 rating is provisional, and/or ol= d, > > and not representative of the players actual current level of play. > > =A0 I dunno, Phil, his last USCF-rated event was in June 2007, just > seven months ago, and he is shown as going 0-6, losing to players > rated from 1980 to about 1536. Hard to imagine how he could improve so > much in such a short time. > =A0 The article Sloan quotes says "He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed > Forces team by taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess > Championship held in June 2007 at ine Corps Air Station Mira in > San Diego." That is clearly contradicted by his USCF tournament > history. One or the other is clearly wrong.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So the US military can fake ratings, so an "Ambassador" can become an officer in the US military. When we fake ratings, we have a witch hunt. Ratings fraud is common all over the USCF and Carribean, and no ethics investigation will occur in the US military. The Armed Forces chess side of this equation is an example of the double standards that lines the pockets of the child molesters who profit from Chess who live in Crossville. What is unethical for a civilan is acceptable from an officer candidate in the US military? cus Roberts
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 11:34:15
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 10:29=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > This person is rated 1117 and lost every game in the Interservice > > Championship. > > >http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 > > > How is this possible? > > You obviously haven't been reading the ratings commentaries here, where I > was alarmed to learn that even by one reckoning, 20 draws against 2,000 > players would yield me a rating of 1440. > > I suspect this is also because the 1117 rating is provisional, and/or old,= > and not representative of the players actual current level of play. I dunno, Phil, his last USCF-rated event was in June 2007, just seven months ago, and he is shown as going 0-6, losing to players rated from 1980 to about 1536. Hard to imagine how he could improve so much in such a short time. The article Sloan quotes says "He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June 2007 at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego." That is clearly contradicted by his USCF tournament history. One or the other is clearly wrong.
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 10:47:07
From:
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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On Jan 12, 9:00=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > Source: The Military Family Network > Article:http://www.emilitary.org/article.php?aid=3D13210 > > //Phil Innes > > --- > Navy Sailor selected MVP of NATO Chess Championship > USS Thach Public Affairs > 2008-01-12 > > A Sailor attached to the San Diego-based frigate USS Thach (FFG 43), was > recently recognized as the Most Valuable Player at the NATO Chess > Championship in Ankara, Turkey. > > Seaman Buddy K. Duo earned the award for leading the U.S. Armed Forces Tea= m > to the overall championship title by winning all of his 26 matches during > the competition, despite only playing half the tournament. > > "The award and the championship are dreams come true," Duo said upon his > return to San Diego Jan. 4. "The players at the tournament were excellent = so > it feels great to have success against them. It's always a challenge to pl= ay > people who perform at such a high level because it forces you to get bette= r > and gives you an appreciation for your own strengths." > > Duo arrived in Turkey mid-way through the two-week tournament with his tea= m > nearly 50 points behind the leaders. He played his first match only five > hours after flying in from Las Vegas. > > Employing his unique free-style tactics, he went undefeated and spearheade= d > the U.S. comeback against more than 40 teams from around the world. The > performance impressed United Kingdom Army Maj. Michael Nash, Chairman of t= he > NATO Chess Committee. > > "As the tournament MVP, Seaman Duo left an indelible k in the lives of > all those who participated in this year's tournament," said Nash, whose > British team befriended Duo during the stay in Turkey. "His superb > character, morale, and leadership make him a very great ambassador for the= > United States. His chess skills are impeccable, and he truly represented U= SS > Thach, the U.S. Navy, and the United States with incredible class. It was = a > pleasure to meet him." > > Duo also had the opportunity to compete in an exhibition match against a > Turkish Grand Master, one of the top-rated chess players in the country. T= he > duel ended in a draw and earned Duo points in his own pursuit of the Grand= > Master rating. > > "It was very humbling to play against the Grand Master," Duo said. "I feel= > fortunate that I had the opportunity - I'm glad I played as well as I did > against him, but I would have preferred to win outright. It is my goal to = be > a Grand Master someday so this match was a step in the right direction." > > Duo is a native of Liberia. He moved to the United States in 2002 and join= ed > the Navy in 2006 after graduating from George Mason University with a > Bachelor's Degree in Sociology. > > On board USS Thach, he works with the Medical Department and is presently > seeking a commission. He earned his spot on the U.S. Armed Forces team by > taking top honors at the Inter-Service Chess Championship held in June 200= 7 > at ine Corps Air Station Mira in San Diego. > > "I really had a great time in Turkey," Duo said. "I mostly hung out with t= he > British team but I made a lot of friends from many different places. I hop= e > I get a chance to play against them again sometime soon. It's amazing that= > the Navy gives you chances to do things like this." If he enjoye that, then FIDE will give him mroe than an adventure. Once he can learn to move the pawns and pieces properly, my god, he could be incredible!
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 11:33:08
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 07:06:31
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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This person is rated 1117 and lost every game in the Interservice Championship. http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 How is this possible? Sam Sloan
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Date: 12 Jan 2008 10:29:59
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > This person is rated 1117 and lost every game in the Interservice > Championship. > > http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 > > How is this possible? You obviously haven't been reading the ratings commentaries here, where I was alarmed to learn that even by one reckoning, 20 draws against 2,000 players would yield me a rating of 1440. I suspect this is also because the 1117 rating is provisional, and/or old, and not representative of the players actual current level of play. Phil Innes > Sam Sloan
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Date: 13 Jan 2008 01:32:45
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Hello, Sailor!
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There is no record of Duo having played in this event. http://natochess2007.tsf.org.tr/index.php?option=com_turnuva&task=show&dosya=26&Itemid=26 "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> This person is rated 1117 and lost every game in the Interservice >> Championship. >> >> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?13704221 >> >> How is this possible? > > You obviously haven't been reading the ratings commentaries here, where I > was alarmed to learn that even by one reckoning, 20 draws against 2,000 > players would yield me a rating of 1440. > > I suspect this is also because the 1117 rating is provisional, and/or old, > and not representative of the players actual current level of play. > > Phil Innes > >> Sam Sloan > >
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