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Date: 09 May 2007 08:37:25
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Subject: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
nominating him?
11115292 SLOAN, SAM
10489032 GOODALL, MIKE
12462863 PRINCE, HOWARD
12655385 LLOYD, STEADROY A
12407354 PRIVMAN, BORIS
10104874 SCHNITZLER, GABOR J
12924840 KAN, PENG FEI
13024036 NARANJA, RENATO C
12713319 FIGLER, ILYE
12693373 PRESSMAN, LEIF
12287160 POLYAKIN, VLADIMIR L
12834803 ESCHELBACH, KARL
12680785 CHERNICK, STEVEN
12435108 GARCIA, ROBERT C
12670285 HARDING, ANDRE E
10101301 CONTICELLO, NICK
12724150 TOWSEN, JOHN
12809190 RAMANUJAM, SRINIVASAN
11017134 PACIULLI, FRANK R
10078954 TANNENBAUM, JEFFREY ALAN
10105544 FITZKO, MITCHELL
13102976 JOSEPH, MITCH M
12197010 BROWN, LARRY A
10074819 RIGONO, GABRIEL
12768106 DIGREGORIO, ROBERT
12395472 PACCHIANA, DOUGLAS
12791591 HASAN, SHAHZAD
13411328 SHADIEV, MURODJON
13553190 NICOLAS, JEAN
11099599 ZUKOFF, LEON
12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
10074258 TEASLEY, DOROTHY
13457195 SMITH, KASHIFE
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Date: 11 May 2007 16:45:16
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 11, 6:18 pm, Chess Nuggets <spo...@speakeasy.net > wrote:
> On May 9, 8:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
>
> <raygor...@seductive.com> wrote:
> > Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
> > nominating him?
>
> > 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
> > 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
>
> George Rankoth Sloan is Sam's son, who had to be about 15 when he
> nominated
> his father. Is this legal?
>
> C.N.
that would be a question for Mike Nolan
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Date: 12 May 2007 14:30:33
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Rob <robmtchl@msn.com > writes:
>On May 11, 6:18 pm, Chess Nuggets <spo...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> On May 9, 8:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
>>
>> <raygor...@seductive.com> wrote:
>> > Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
>> > nominating him?
>>
>> > 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
>> > 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
>>
>> George Rankoth Sloan is Sam's son, who had to be about 15 when he
>> nominated
>> his father. Is this legal?
>>
>> C.N.
>that would be a question for Mike Nolan
I don't discuss confidential membership information such as birthdates.
However, every candidate had more than enough signatures from voting
members. I don't specifically recall any signers having been invalidated
because of age.
--
Mike Nolan
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Date: 11 May 2007 16:18:49
From: Chess Nuggets
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 9, 8:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
<raygor...@seductive.com > wrote:
> Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
> nominating him?
>
> 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
> 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
George Rankoth Sloan is Sam's son, who had to be about 15 when he
nominated
his father. Is this legal?
C.N.
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:13:18
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 10, 10:03 am, JohnnyT <n...@home.com > wrote:
> Mike Nolan wrote:
> > The USCF IDs of the signers of all the nominating petitions have been
> > available at the USCF website on the 2007 EB Election page for over a month.
>
> I believe you. However, I just spent 10 minutes over there trying to
> find such a page.
>
> Any idea how to navigate to that page from the front page?
>
> Is this information supposed to be findable?
>
> I have found an announcement about the 2006 special election, but
> nothing about the 2007 election.
LOL
Johnny,
finding anything on the USCF site requires much patience and a good
deal of luck! :-)
Rob
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:11:42
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 10, 8:31 am, Mike Murray <mikemur...@despammed.com > wrote:
> On 10 May 2007 04:44:22 -0700, Rob <robmt...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> .
>
> >Everyone eligible candidate should have the right to be judged in an
> >election. I have checked the names above and they are all current
> >members. I would hope that Sam and the other board candidates might
> >respond to the questions posed by Mr. Innes so their positions may be
> >fairly judged by the electorate.
> >Rob
>
> The nominating lists of which other candidates are being published in
> the newsgroups?
I don't know.
> Rob, don't you think distribution of this list was intended to
> intimidate? Don't you consider this a campaign dirty trick, an
> unethical interference in the electoral process by some as yet
> undocumented insider?
It probably was. But if it isn't "secret" information then the members
have a right to know who nominated everyone. I don't think it's that
big a deal. WHen I ran for office there were a lot of folks that
signed my petition just so I would go away. LOL
Rob
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:08:57
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 10, 7:59 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 10, 7:44 am, Rob <robmt...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Everyone eligible candidate should have the right to be judged in an
> > election. I have checked the names above and they are all current
> > members. I would hope that Sam and the other board candidates might
> > respond to the questions posed by Mr. Innes so their positions may be
> > fairly judged by the electorate.
> > Rob
>
> Mr. Innes is not a member of the USCF, nor is Rob Mitchell.
>
> Both Mr. Innes and Mr. Mitchell are hostile to the USCF and have
> stated that they would like for it to go out of business so that they
> can start a new organization.
>
> I will tend to address questions asked by members, not by non-members.
>
> Sam Sloan
Then I would suggest that you limit your posting of campaign issues to
the USCF forum only. There are a great many people who do not wish to
listen to anything you have to say Sam. If you want to engage a
broader audience.. then post here. If you want to simply discuss
internal USCF issues amoung those USCF members who are active, then
post in the USCF forum. Don't be disingenous<sp >
Rob
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Date: 12 May 2007 20:30:40
From: Michael Vondung
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On 10 May 2007 08:08:57 -0700, Rob wrote:
> There are a great many people who do not wish to
> listen to anything you have to say Sam.
And it's really hard to do if people continue to cite his posts. My
newsreader filters every post by Sam Sloan, real or fake, but I still end
up seeing many of them because people quote him (them).
None of this crap involving the American chess association and scene should
be posted outside of rec.games.chess.politics anyway, but I guess that is a
hopeless request.
M.
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Date: 10 May 2007 05:59:46
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 10, 7:44 am, Rob <robmt...@msn.com > wrote:
> Everyone eligible candidate should have the right to be judged in an
> election. I have checked the names above and they are all current
> members. I would hope that Sam and the other board candidates might
> respond to the questions posed by Mr. Innes so their positions may be
> fairly judged by the electorate.
> Rob
Mr. Innes is not a member of the USCF, nor is Rob Mitchell.
Both Mr. Innes and Mr. Mitchell are hostile to the USCF and have
stated that they would like for it to go out of business so that they
can start a new organization.
I will tend to address questions asked by members, not by non-members.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 10 May 2007 20:12:28
From: Paul Rubin
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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samsloan <samhsloan@gmail.com > writes:
> Mr. Innes is not a member of the USCF, nor is Rob Mitchell.
>
> Both Mr. Innes and Mr. Mitchell are hostile to the USCF and have
> stated that they would like for it to go out of business so that they
> can start a new organization.
>
> I will tend to address questions asked by members, not by non-members.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer.
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Date: 10 May 2007 04:44:22
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 9, 5:51 pm, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com > wrote:
> Had I been a USCF member, I would have been proud to add my name to
> Sam's nominating petition.
>
> Rob wrote:
> > On May 9, 10:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
> > <raygor...@seductive.com> wrote:
> > > Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
> > > nominating him?
>
> > > 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
> > > 10489032 GOODALL, MIKE
> > > 12462863 PRINCE, HOWARD
> > > 12655385 LLOYD, STEADROY A
> > > 12407354 PRIVMAN, BORIS
> > > 10104874 SCHNITZLER, GABOR J
> > > 12924840 KAN, PENG FEI
> > > 13024036 NARANJA, RENATO C
> > > 12713319 FIGLER, ILYE
> > > 12693373 PRESSMAN, LEIF
> > > 12287160 POLYAKIN, VLADIMIR L
> > > 12834803 ESCHELBACH, KARL
> > > 12680785 CHERNICK, STEVEN
> > > 12435108 GARCIA, ROBERT C
> > > 12670285 HARDING, ANDRE E
> > > 10101301 CONTICELLO, NICK
> > > 12724150 TOWSEN, JOHN
> > > 12809190 RAMANUJAM, SRINIVASAN
> > > 11017134 PACIULLI, FRANK R
> > > 10078954 TANNENBAUM, JEFFREY ALAN
> > > 10105544 FITZKO, MITCHELL
> > > 13102976 JOSEPH, MITCH M
> > > 12197010 BROWN, LARRY A
> > > 10074819 RIGONO, GABRIEL
> > > 12768106 DIGREGORIO, ROBERT
> > > 12395472 PACCHIANA, DOUGLAS
> > > 12791591 HASAN, SHAHZAD
> > > 13411328 SHADIEV, MURODJON
> > > 13553190 NICOLAS, JEAN
> > > 11099599 ZUKOFF, LEON
> > > 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
> > > 10074258 TEASLEY, DOROTHY
> > > 13457195 SMITH, KASHIFE
>
> > are they all current members?
Everyone eligible candidate should have the right to be judged in an
election. I have checked the names above and they are all current
members. I would hope that Sam and the other board candidates might
respond to the questions posed by Mr. Innes so their positions may be
fairly judged by the electorate.
Rob
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Date: 10 May 2007 06:31:00
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On 10 May 2007 04:44:22 -0700, Rob <robmtchl@msn.com > wrote:
.
>Everyone eligible candidate should have the right to be judged in an
>election. I have checked the names above and they are all current
>members. I would hope that Sam and the other board candidates might
>respond to the questions posed by Mr. Innes so their positions may be
>fairly judged by the electorate.
>Rob
The nominating lists of which other candidates are being published in
the newsgroups?
Rob, don't you think distribution of this list was intended to
intimidate? Don't you consider this a campaign dirty trick, an
unethical interference in the electoral process by some as yet
undocumented insider?
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Date: 10 May 2007 14:18:47
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Mike Murray <mikemurray@despammed.com > writes:
>Rob, don't you think distribution of this list was intended to
>intimidate? Don't you consider this a campaign dirty trick, an
>unethical interference in the electoral process by some as yet
>undocumented insider?
The USCF IDs of the signers of all the nominating petitions have been
available at the USCF website on the 2007 EB Election page for over a month.
Potential candidates were told in the Call for Nominations that
this information would be made public and that they should include
that notification on their nominating petitions.
In every state or local election that I know of, nominating petitions
are considered a matter of public record. (If you don't believe me,
call the Secretary of State in your state or your county or state
election commissioner.)
It's also fairly clear that nominating petitions would be covered under
the Illinois laws regarding member access to 'corporate records'.
--
Mike Nolan, Chair, USCF Election Committee
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:16:25
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On 10 May 2007 14:18:47 GMT, nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
>Mike Murray <mikemurray@despammed.com> writes:
>
>>Rob, don't you think distribution of this list was intended to
>>intimidate? Don't you consider this a campaign dirty trick, an
>>unethical interference in the electoral process by some as yet
>>undocumented insider?
>
>The USCF IDs of the signers of all the nominating petitions have been
>available at the USCF website on the 2007 EB Election page for over a month.
>
>Potential candidates were told in the Call for Nominations that
>this information would be made public and that they should include
>that notification on their nominating petitions.
>
>In every state or local election that I know of, nominating petitions
>are considered a matter of public record. (If you don't believe me,
>call the Secretary of State in your state or your county or state
>election commissioner.)
Not disagreeing with this, nor did I claim the spewing the list on the
newsgroup was *illegal*. However, it's a big step from having this
information available for inspection by the public, and actually
publishing it on Usenet.
>It's also fairly clear that nominating petitions would be covered under
>the Illinois laws regarding member access to 'corporate records'.
OK, so a member, not necessarily an insider, could view the list and
then publish it. So my comment about "insider" may have been
unwarranted.
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Date: 10 May 2007 08:03:46
From: JohnnyT
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Mike Nolan wrote:
> The USCF IDs of the signers of all the nominating petitions have been
> available at the USCF website on the 2007 EB Election page for over a month.
I believe you. However, I just spent 10 minutes over there trying to
find such a page.
Any idea how to navigate to that page from the front page?
Is this information supposed to be findable?
I have found an announcement about the 2006 special election, but
nothing about the 2007 election.
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Date: 10 May 2007 17:04:42
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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JohnnyT <noone@home.com > writes:
>Mike Nolan wrote:
>> The USCF IDs of the signers of all the nominating petitions have been
>> available at the USCF website on the 2007 EB Election page for over a month.
>I believe you. However, I just spent 10 minutes over there trying to
>find such a page.
>Any idea how to navigate to that page from the front page?
Um, look in column 3, do you see the item named:
2007 USCF Executive
Board Election Update
Alternatively, look under About the USCF - > Governance -> Elections
- > 2007 Executive Board Election
>Is this information supposed to be findable?
Only to people who can read, I guess.
--
Mike Nolan
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Date: 09 May 2007 16:07:05
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 9, 3:51 pm, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com > wrote:
> Had I been a USCF member, I would have been proud to add my name to
> Sam's nominating petition.
Larry, you're getting old and obstinate.
Open your eys. Sam always had that
rotten smell about him but he used to
move around fast enough to avoid the
full association. These days one cannot
help the revulsion.
Larry, you used to champion good causes.
Why have you switched to someone who
is now teaming up with Schultz?!! Sam
was forgiven his stinky transgressions
in the past because he was one of those
who had reported on Schultz and other
(Denker?) USCF ugly deeds at FIDE. Now
they, Sam Sloan and Schultz, are the two
garbage pals.
Best regards,
Wlod
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Date: 09 May 2007 16:04:12
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Signing my election petition or the election petition of any other
candidate does not mean that the signer endorses me or will vote for
me.
It merely means that the signer feels that I should be allowed to run.
Actually, I had 73 signers of my election petitions. Whomever made
this list must have stopped as soon as the required number of 30 had
clearly been reached.
You still have not answered the question of where you got this list.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 09 May 2007 15:51:46
From: parrthenon@cs.com
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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Had I been a USCF member, I would have been proud to add my name to
Sam's nominating petition.
Rob wrote:
> On May 9, 10:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
> <raygor...@seductive.com> wrote:
> > Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
> > nominating him?
> >
> > 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
> > 10489032 GOODALL, MIKE
> > 12462863 PRINCE, HOWARD
> > 12655385 LLOYD, STEADROY A
> > 12407354 PRIVMAN, BORIS
> > 10104874 SCHNITZLER, GABOR J
> > 12924840 KAN, PENG FEI
> > 13024036 NARANJA, RENATO C
> > 12713319 FIGLER, ILYE
> > 12693373 PRESSMAN, LEIF
> > 12287160 POLYAKIN, VLADIMIR L
> > 12834803 ESCHELBACH, KARL
> > 12680785 CHERNICK, STEVEN
> > 12435108 GARCIA, ROBERT C
> > 12670285 HARDING, ANDRE E
> > 10101301 CONTICELLO, NICK
> > 12724150 TOWSEN, JOHN
> > 12809190 RAMANUJAM, SRINIVASAN
> > 11017134 PACIULLI, FRANK R
> > 10078954 TANNENBAUM, JEFFREY ALAN
> > 10105544 FITZKO, MITCHELL
> > 13102976 JOSEPH, MITCH M
> > 12197010 BROWN, LARRY A
> > 10074819 RIGONO, GABRIEL
> > 12768106 DIGREGORIO, ROBERT
> > 12395472 PACCHIANA, DOUGLAS
> > 12791591 HASAN, SHAHZAD
> > 13411328 SHADIEV, MURODJON
> > 13553190 NICOLAS, JEAN
> > 11099599 ZUKOFF, LEON
> > 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
> > 10074258 TEASLEY, DOROTHY
> > 13457195 SMITH, KASHIFE
>
> are they all current members?
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Date: 09 May 2007 08:43:32
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Hot off the press - List of people who nominated Sam Sloan
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On May 9, 10:37 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot"
<raygor...@seductive.com > wrote:
> Is this really the list of people who want Sam Sloan on the board by
> nominating him?
>
> 11115292 SLOAN, SAM
> 10489032 GOODALL, MIKE
> 12462863 PRINCE, HOWARD
> 12655385 LLOYD, STEADROY A
> 12407354 PRIVMAN, BORIS
> 10104874 SCHNITZLER, GABOR J
> 12924840 KAN, PENG FEI
> 13024036 NARANJA, RENATO C
> 12713319 FIGLER, ILYE
> 12693373 PRESSMAN, LEIF
> 12287160 POLYAKIN, VLADIMIR L
> 12834803 ESCHELBACH, KARL
> 12680785 CHERNICK, STEVEN
> 12435108 GARCIA, ROBERT C
> 12670285 HARDING, ANDRE E
> 10101301 CONTICELLO, NICK
> 12724150 TOWSEN, JOHN
> 12809190 RAMANUJAM, SRINIVASAN
> 11017134 PACIULLI, FRANK R
> 10078954 TANNENBAUM, JEFFREY ALAN
> 10105544 FITZKO, MITCHELL
> 13102976 JOSEPH, MITCH M
> 12197010 BROWN, LARRY A
> 10074819 RIGONO, GABRIEL
> 12768106 DIGREGORIO, ROBERT
> 12395472 PACCHIANA, DOUGLAS
> 12791591 HASAN, SHAHZAD
> 13411328 SHADIEV, MURODJON
> 13553190 NICOLAS, JEAN
> 11099599 ZUKOFF, LEON
> 12774231 SLOAN, GEORGE RANKOTH
> 10074258 TEASLEY, DOROTHY
> 13457195 SMITH, KASHIFE
are they all current members?
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