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Date: 04 Dec 2007 18:36:30
From: Frenki
Subject: How can I determine my rating?
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I'm not member of any chess club and I consider myself to be
a beginner.
Couple of days ago I ordered my first few books about chess.
However, I have a chess program Chessmaster 10th Edition and
I listened through some lectures and did a couple of drills
and also started playing against computer opponents.
I also study openings and currently I'm waiting for my book on
endgame because a lot of people told me that studying the
endgame first is the
way to go.
I'm familiar with the basics like forks, pins, skewers,
discovered attacks and understand a bit
about pawn structures, bad and good bishops etc.
At the moment I'm rated 1526 on Chessmaster.
I was wondering how realistic is that rating?
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Date: 04 Dec 2007 22:07:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Play Games at GetClub Chess
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On Dec 4, 10:36 pm, Frenki <[email protected] > wrote:
> I'm not member of any chess club and I consider myself to be
> a beginner.
> Couple of days ago I ordered my first few books about chess.
>
> However, I have a chess program Chessmaster 10th Edition and
> I listened through some lectures and did a couple of drills
> and also started playing against computer opponents.
> I also study openings and currently I'm waiting for my book on
> endgame because a lot of people told me that studying the
> endgame first is the
> way to go.
> I'm familiar with the basics like forks, pins, skewers,
> discovered attacks and understand a bit
> about pawn structures, bad and good bishops etc.
>
> At the moment I'm rated 1526 on Chessmaster.
> I was wondering how realistic is that rating?
Play a few Games at GetClub Chess and see how you score over other
players. There are arround 100 players playing at GetClub Chess. If
your rank is above 50 then you are an Average player. If your rank is
in top 10, You are very good player.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Then you can play with Zebediah, Nomorechess & Taylor kingston, Bonsai
and see if you can beat 2100 Rated players.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 09 Dec 2007 22:13:26
From: Sanny
Subject: Beginner == Help Bot
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> Let me give an example: I occasionally see
> players leave a piece en prise in tournaments,
> where a simple Queen check will pick it off; but
> now Sanny's program only rarely hangs a piece
> in that way, generally misjudging the value of
> spite checks and pawns versus a piece. More
> often, it seems to now hang onto its men as
> well as -- or better than -- most humans.
Now Beginner Level at GetClub plays as good as Help Bot. Yesterday
Beginner won 2/4 games played by Help Bot. So if you want to play with
a player with as much strength as Help Bot just play with Beginner
Level at GetClub Chess.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 08:08:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Play Games at GetClub Chess
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On Dec 6, 3:44 pm, David Richerby <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Dec 4, 10:36 pm, Frenki <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> At the moment I'm rated 1526 on Chessmaster.
> >> I was wondering how realistic is that rating?
>
> > Play a few Games atGetClubChessand see how you score over other
> > players.
>
> Don't bother. Sanny knows nothing aboutchessand nothing about
> ratings. The ratings on his site bear no relation to any other rating
> system and Sanny consistently overestimates the strength of his
> program.
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> David Richerby Impossible Laptop Car (TM): it'swww.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a high-performance luxury car
> that you can put on your lap but it
> can't exist!
Now it is a tough Job to win at GetClub. As GetClub Chess plays very
st moves.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 06:43:19
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Play Games at GetClub Chess
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On Dec 6, 5:44 am, David Richerby <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Don't bother. Sanny knows nothing about chess and nothing about
> ratings. The ratings on his site bear no relation to any other rating
> system and Sanny consistently overestimates the strength of his
> program.
It would be more accurate to say that Sanny has
consistently claimed high numbers for his program,
and that for a long time he was way, way off. But
not anymore; now the program is a heck of a lot
tougher, and his numbers more difficult to judge.
Let me give an example: I occasionally see
players leave a piece en prise in tournaments,
where a simple Queen check will pick it off; but
now Sanny's program only rarely hangs a piece
in that way, generally misjudging the value of
spite checks and pawns versus a piece. More
often, it seems to now hang onto its men as
well as -- or better than -- most humans.
With no time limit for the human opponent, it's
not easy to say what the rating strength really
might be; let's just say that Sanny's program is
more dangerous an opponent than most humans
I've played lately, even if it still has severe
weaknesses in some areas.
-- help bot
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 10:44:54
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Play Games at GetClub Chess
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Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 4, 10:36 pm, Frenki <[email protected]> wrote:
>> At the moment I'm rated 1526 on Chessmaster.
>> I was wondering how realistic is that rating?
>
> Play a few Games at GetClub Chess and see how you score over other
> players.
Don't bother. Sanny knows nothing about chess and nothing about
ratings. The ratings on his site bear no relation to any other rating
system and Sanny consistently overestimates the strength of his
program.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Impossible Laptop Car (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a high-performance luxury car
that you can put on your lap but it
can't exist!
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Date: 04 Dec 2007 15:14:33
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How can I determine my rating?
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HOW GOOD IS YOUR CHESS?
By GM Larry Evans ($9.95 less 20% discount) from www.cardozapub.com
contains 100 positions from actual games in a quiz format that enable
you to determine your own rating far from the hurly burly of the
tournament arena.
Frenki wrote:
> I'm not member of any chess club and I consider myself to be
> a beginner.
> Couple of days ago I ordered my first few books about chess.
>
> However, I have a chess program Chessmaster 10th Edition and
> I listened through some lectures and did a couple of drills
> and also started playing against computer opponents.
> I also study openings and currently I'm waiting for my book on
> endgame because a lot of people told me that studying the
> endgame first is the
> way to go.
> I'm familiar with the basics like forks, pins, skewers,
> discovered attacks and understand a bit
> about pawn structures, bad and good bishops etc.
>
> At the moment I'm rated 1526 on Chessmaster.
> I was wondering how realistic is that rating?
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Date: 04 Dec 2007 21:14:44
From: help bot
Subject: Re: How can I determine my rating?
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On Dec 4, 11:57 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> > By GM Larry Evans ($9.95 less 20% discount) fromwww.cardozapub.com
> > contains 100 positions from actual games in a quiz format that enable
> > you to determine your own rating far from the hurly burly of the
> > tournament arena.
>
> Yes, well...most people are interested in your rating IN the burly burly
> of the tournament arena.
>
> There's a surprisingly easy way to determine your rating....I wonder if
> Parr and Evans know what it is?
The trouble with books and computer estimates is that
they don't accurately relate to the actual pool of rated
chess players, and who knows what effort -- if any -- the
authors and programmers put into scaling their tests to
fit reality.
My advice to this person would be to *not* "wait" for
his endgame book to arrive, because tactics are 90%
of the game. Anyone who wants know what their chess
rating is, can simply go direct by entering a few chess
tournaments. Just remember: at first you may be
uncomfortable with score-keeping and handling of the
clock, unlike veteran tournament competitors, but that
is only a small part of the equation. Tactics will decide
the vast majority of your games.
-- help bot
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Date: 04 Dec 2007 22:57:38
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: How can I determine my rating?
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[email protected] wrote:
> HOW GOOD IS YOUR CHESS?
>
> By GM Larry Evans ($9.95 less 20% discount) from www.cardozapub.com
> contains 100 positions from actual games in a quiz format that enable
> you to determine your own rating far from the hurly burly of the
> tournament arena.
>
Yes, well...most people are interested in your rating IN the burly burly
of the tournament arena.
There's a surprisingly easy way to determine your rating....I wonder if
Parr and Evans know what it is?
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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