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Date: 27 Feb 2008 16:22:10
From: RookHouse
Subject: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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Click here to view it: http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=132
Also, what was the year and location of the tournament?
Thanks,
Morphy
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Date: 01 Mar 2008 11:35:22
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Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On 1, 1:22=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Feb 29, 11:20 pm, [email protected] wrote:
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> > On Feb 29, 5:53 pm, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I simply presented it to rebut your
> > strange claim that "Before the 1970s Fischer did not win many major
> > International tournaments outright," which implies that he won more
> > tournaments in the 1970s than before.
>
> Does it imply that?
It most certainly does.
> I am not a statistician, and I do not have access to a calculator, but
> three in one year sounds better than 5 in 13 years.
If that is what you were trying to say, then an appropriate way to
phrase it would have been something like "Fischer's ratio of
tournaments won to tournaments entered was higher in 1970 than over
the rest of his career." Or "Fischer rate of tournaments-won-per-year
was higher in 1970 than over the rest of his career." Quite different
from saying he didn't win many tournaments until 1970.
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Date: 01 Mar 2008 10:22:24
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 29, 11:20 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 29, 5:53 pm, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> I simply presented it to rebut your
> strange claim that "Before the 1970s Fischer did not win many major
> International tournaments outright," which implies that he won more
> tournaments in the 1970s than before.
Does it imply that?
It is a completely straightforward comment:
"Before the 1970s Fischer did not win many major International
tournaments outright."
And it is true. Winning 5 in 13 years is a lot less than the records
of Spassky or Larsen, or I suppose a lot of other leading
grandmasters.
In 1970 Fischer won three in a year, his last competitive year as
regards tournaments.
I am not a statistician, and I do not have access to a calculator, but
three in one year sounds better than 5 in 13 years.
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Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:20:27
From:
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 29, 5:53=A0pm, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Feb 29, 3:57 pm, [email protected] wrote:
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> > On Feb 29, 10:51 am, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > what, are you saying that Fischer won more tournaments between 1956
> > > and 1969 than he did in 1970?
>
> > =A0 Exactly.
>
> How did you find that out? I mean, that he won more tournaments in
> thirteen years than he did in one year? Was it in some specialist
> publication?
>
> If so I would love to get hold of it because it is exactly that kind
> of very hard-to-get-hold-of information that I am after.
>
> Thanks in advance!
You can find it in most books about Fischer; the one I used was
Brady's "Profile of a Prodigy." Many databases also have a crosstable
function that will provide this information.
I think to detect a tone of gratuitous and unnecessary sarcasm. I
make no claim to having any "specialist" knowledge in this case; this
is all a matter of public record. I simply presented it to rebut your
strange claim that "Before the 1970s Fischer did not win many major
International tournaments outright," which implies that he won more
tournaments in the 1970s than before. This is clearly untrue. He won 5
major international tournaments and two minor ones before 1970, as
opposed to three from 1970 on. Last I checked, 5 is more than 3. If
you are going to argue that 5 is not "many," then the correct thing to
say would have been something like "Fischer never won many
international tournaments at all," though even then you'd get an
argument from many people.
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Date: 29 Feb 2008 14:53:31
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 29, 3:57 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 29, 10:51 am, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > what, are you saying that Fischer won more tournaments between 1956
> > and 1969 than he did in 1970?
>
> Exactly.
How did you find that out? I mean, that he won more tournaments in
thirteen years than he did in one year? Was it in some specialist
publication?
If so I would love to get hold of it because it is exactly that kind
of very hard-to-get-hold-of information that I am after.
Thanks in advance!
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Date: 29 Feb 2008 07:57:07
From:
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 29, 10:51=C2=A0am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Feb 29, 2:20=EF=BF=BDam, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > =C2=A0 Fischer won more major international tournaments _before_ the 197=
0s
> > than later:
>
> > =C2=A0 del Plata 1960
> > =C2=A0 Stockholm 1962 (FIDE Interzonal)
> > =C2=A0 Monte Carlo 1967
> > =C2=A0 Skopje 1967
> > =C2=A0 Vinkovci 1968
>
> > =C2=A0 That's five tournaments. Plus two less-than-major events: Reykjav=
ik
> > 1960, Netanya 1968. Whereas in the 1970s he won three events:
>
> > =C2=A0 Rovinij-Zagreb 1970
> > =C2=A0 Buenos Aires 1970
> > =C2=A0 Palma de Majorca 1970 (FIDE Interzonal)
>
> what, are you saying that Fischer won more tournaments between 1956
> and 1969 than he did in 1970?
Exactly.
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Date: 29 Feb 2008 07:51:55
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 29, 2:20=EF=BF=BDam, Offramp <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Fischer won more major international tournaments _before_ the 1970s
> than later:
>
> del Plata 1960
> Stockholm 1962 (FIDE Interzonal)
> Monte Carlo 1967
> Skopje 1967
> Vinkovci 1968
>
> That's five tournaments. Plus two less-than-major events: Reykjavik
> 1960, Netanya 1968. Whereas in the 1970s he won three events:
>
> Rovinij-Zagreb 1970
> Buenos Aires 1970
> Palma de Majorca 1970 (FIDE Interzonal)
what, are you saying that Fischer won more tournaments between 1956
and 1969 than he did in 1970?
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Date: 29 Feb 2008 05:57:30
From:
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 29, 2:20=A0am, Offramp <[email protected] > wrote:
Fischer won more major international tournaments _before_ the 1970s
than later:
del Plata 1960
Stockholm 1962 (FIDE Interzonal)
Monte Carlo 1967
Skopje 1967
Vinkovci 1968
That's five tournaments. Plus two less-than-major events: Reykjavik
1960, Netanya 1968. Whereas in the 1970s he won three events:
Rovinij-Zagreb 1970
Buenos Aires 1970
Palma de Majorca 1970 (FIDE Interzonal)
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Date: 28 Feb 2008 23:20:16
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 28, 2:09 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:22 pm, RookHouse <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spassky (not pictured) won 11=BD-6=BD, ahead of Fischer (11-7)
Before the 1970s Fischer did not win many major International
tournaments outright. He really benefited from that late 1960s lay-off.
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Date: 28 Feb 2008 15:55:11
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 28, 9:09=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
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> =A0 This photo appeared on the cover of the August 1966 Chess Life, with
> the caption "Relaxing before the tournament," which was the 2nd
> Piatigorsky Cup, Santa Monica 1966. Left to right: Najdorf, Fischer,
> Portisch, Larsen, Ivkov, and Unzicker. Fischer and Ivkov were not
> playing an official game, just some skittles or friendly analysis.
> =A0 Spassky (not pictured) won 11=BD-6=BD, ahead of Fischer (11-7), Larsen=
> (10-8), Portisch & Unzicker (9=BD-8=BD), Petrosian & Reshevsky (9-9),
> Najdorf (8-10), Ivkov (6=BD-11=BD) and Donner (6-12). Fischer got off to a=
> dreadful start, scoring only 3=BD-5=BD in the first half, losing 3
> straight games at one point (to Larsen, Najdorf, and Spassky) but he
> recovered to score 7=BD-1=BD in the second half.
>
Exactly right. I have a pretty good page about this tournament (with
pictures, games, cross-table, etc.) on my main website at
http://www.rookhouse.com/events/piat1966.html
Enjoy,
Morphy
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Date: 28 Feb 2008 06:09:33
From:
Subject: Re: How many people can you name in this photopgraph?
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On Feb 27, 7:22=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> Click here to view it:http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=3D132
>
> Also, what was the year and location of the tournament?
>
> Thanks,
> Morphy
This photo appeared on the cover of the August 1966 Chess Life, with
the caption "Relaxing before the tournament," which was the 2nd
Piatigorsky Cup, Santa Monica 1966. Left to right: Najdorf, Fischer,
Portisch, Larsen, Ivkov, and Unzicker. Fischer and Ivkov were not
playing an official game, just some skittles or friendly analysis.
Spassky (not pictured) won 11=BD-6=BD, ahead of Fischer (11-7), Larsen
(10-8), Portisch & Unzicker (9=BD-8=BD), Petrosian & Reshevsky (9-9),
Najdorf (8-10), Ivkov (6=BD-11=BD) and Donner (6-12). Fischer got off to a
dreadful start, scoring only 3=BD-5=BD in the first half, losing 3
straight games at one point (to Larsen, Najdorf, and Spassky) but he
recovered to score 7=BD-1=BD in the second half.
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