I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

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Date: 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00
From: samsloan
Subject: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess
Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
under fake names."

It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
intention of complying with this rule.

I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
Mitchell.

One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
member.

I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
surprised when I never suspended him.

In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
day and continues to do so.

The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)

In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
and he remains a member of the group to this day.

So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
group and are posting there now.

"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.

Sam Sloan

Date: 23 Aug 2007 13:40:05
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 23, 2:56 pm, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> "Rob" <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187884171.127210.232670@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was complying. I was simply not giving you an active USCF number as
> > I am not an active member. USCF membership was never a condition of
> > joining your group now or then.
>
> > Sam:
>
> >> > >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> >> > >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> >> > >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> >> > >Mitchell.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > Thats just BS. Heck Sam you even have my phone number and I shared
> > information and emails with you concerning televised chess projects.

Phil,

Ike would have quashed him like a roach .
Even Harry "Too Tall" Sabine gave Ike a wide berth!

> I believe our Sam has denied you ever sent him it. But this is a rare
> correspondance!! - just think if he actually showed up. Ike would have
> slaughtered him on the spot - almost certain impalement in the parking lot
> :) I thought he was going to slaughter Bill Hall - he threw him off the
> closed set. Isn't it fortunate that Jackie [Ties] Chan never met Mohammed el
> Sloan!
>
> > Sam:
>
> >> > >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> >> > >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> >> > >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> >> > >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> >> > >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> >> > >member.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > I never said I was an active member. Just because someone is not an
> > active USCF member does not make them a "fake" person. You have silly
> > logic, Sam.

> My friend Stuart Rubin is not a member either, mostly because he's British -
> and just won the senior... and Kaarlo is Dutch, but living in HK, nan ja?
>

I noticed that even Ray Keene had posted there in the past, but ducked
out after he noticed Mohamed El Sloan's lunacy.
>
>
>
> > Sam:
>
> >> > >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> >> > >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> >> > >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> >> > >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> >> > >surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > I do say that. There is no other logical reason except that I held
> > you
> > accountable for your actions and your comments. Also it was because
> > of
> > me that you were censured by the USCF executive borad because you
> > broke the law and opend the USCF up for huge legal liabilities.
>
> Well, there is that... though cloth-ears is on a mission, look...
>
> > Sam:
>
> >> > >In the five years since the FIDE_chess Yahoo group was established on
> >> > >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> >> > >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> >> > >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> >> > >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> >> > >day and continues to do so.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > Did you demand his USCF ID? He never got you censured , did he? He
> > never pubically made a fool out of you with your own words, did he?

> You don't seriously expect Mohammed el Sloan to answer this, do you? Shoot!
> He is so high up his mullah-tower he probably can't even hear you.

I heard from the other party. He said he had been spammed by Sloan
into the group... never even realized he had been banned, and when he
read of his "banning" sent his information. LOL

> > Sam:
>
> >> > >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> >> > >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> >> > >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> >> > >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> >> > >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> >> > >and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> > Rob:

> > Pray tell who this stellar person may be?
>
> Gosh! Sam has let someone back in who wakes up another poster at 3 am.

It may have been Mohamed el Sloan himself!

> > Sam:
>
> >> > >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> >> > >group and are posting there now.
> >> > >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> >> > >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > Here is the "lie" Sam only wanted my USCF ID to either see what my
> > playing stregnth was or to try to diminish the veracity of my
> > arguments against his actions by way of me not being an active USCF
> > menber. Even though his group is fide_chess! and not uscf_chess.

> Its one of those 'prove who you are' assumption of guilt things. But who is
> asking, complainant, prosecutor, judge or jury? Or all 4? What can be fairer
> than this :))))))))))
>

SO I remain the only "forever banned" person ! Makes me feel like
Lenny Bruce in a way.

>
>
> > Sam:
>
> >> > >Sam Sloan
> >> > This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
> >> > Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE_chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
> >> > dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
> >> > one rule of my group.
>
> > Rob:
>
> > Now here comes the "real reason"
>
> > Sam:
>
> >>> Rob Mitchell has tried to show me in a bad light. I will not tolerate
> >>> that in my group.
> >> > Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
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>
> > Rob:
>
> >> Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> >> You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -

> Sam takes everything very personally, and if you think his ideas are nutz@
> that is the same to him as if you wrote that he is nutz@

Huge egos often come from small intellects.

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>
> > Rob:
>
> > Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"

> But this is not the end of this paranoid post - which is truly funny! Maybe
> the funniest since Brennan's efforts here: this is what he also wrote:-
>
> ""Rob Mitchell" claims that I kicked him out of this group because he
> said negative things about me. However, that is not true. As proof of
> this, Phil Innes attacks me in this group every day and I have never
> suspended him. (By the way, I am beginning to wonder whether Phil
> Innes is really named Phil Innes. Why is there no listing for him in
> the Vermont telephone book or anywhere else?)"

Oh my God! You are "unlisted"? Maybe only unlisted to Sloan. I hear
the new blocking program makes you invisible to people who you want to
leave you alone.

> I first met Sam Sloan in New Windsor at a board meeting where I was
> introducing a Russian fella, and was myself introduced by a board member. I
> even talked with el Sloan, supported one of his points about the cost of net
> service, and use the same name now as then.

But did you show him your passport? LOL How do we even know that he is
who he says he is?He may be the spawn of alien experimentation on
Earth women? There are lots of space visitors to Kansas, Nebraska and
Iowa so I have been told.

> I 'attack' Sam Sloan every day means that I do not agree with him, or see
> what issue he raises is to the public good. Of course, these days many
> people 'attack' Sam Sloan, since he achieved what? as board member? One
> motion carried which was to congratulate an organiser.

LOL How sad is that!

> Whatever next? Having questioned who is this mysterious Paul Truong
> character, will he now question Susan Polgar's identity? Maybe there is
> really only one Polgar 'sister' and the cunning Truong represents them all
> by ninja-photoshop arts learned in the mysterious orient?

> Or did Truong turn Mormon and marry all three?

Now PT turning Mormon IS the story of a decade!
> > Rob (which mitch) Mitchell

Respectfully, Rob (Which- Mitch) Earl of Mustard!

> Cordially, The Duke of Mexico, [Montezuma especially], and the Queen of the
> May.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 21:30:35
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

"Rob" <robmtchl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187901605.577604.213950@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> Phil,
>
> Ike would have quashed him like a roach .
> Even Harry "Too Tall" Sabine gave Ike a wide berth!

The US Marine Corp with air support would have done same, no?

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>> My friend Stuart Rubin is not a member either, mostly because he's
>> British -
>> and just won the senior... and Kaarlo is Dutch, but living in HK, nan ja?
>>
>
> I noticed that even Ray Keene had posted there in the past, but ducked
> out after he noticed Mohamed El Sloan's lunacy.

Not explicitly so - but I think there was nothing there to interest him. \

Ray Keene is not a big fan of politco's in chess. In fact he smuggled out
Gulko's material from under the KGB's noses [which was an explicit charge
against the regime, and which specific players and organisers acted against
refuseniks, including beating up him and his wife - such as Averbakh,
specifically, who spied on them]

Anyway, for our own Mohammed to quote Pravda is a bit rich!
----

>> Its one of those 'prove who you are' assumption of guilt things. But who
>> is
>> asking, complainant, prosecutor, judge or jury? Or all 4? What can be
>> fairer
>> than this :))))))))))
>>
>
> SO I remain the only "forever banned" person ! Makes me feel like
> Lenny Bruce in a way.

You just nailed his duplicity. And this is the dork who was raised such fuss
about standards the USCF forum, while not in anyone's opinion that I have
read, being even the slightest bit fair himself.

People 'attack' him, according to his own rendition of things. He doesn't
mention that it is his ideas and behavior that they attack, and this is why
you are banned.
------

>> I first met Sam Sloan in New Windsor at a board meeting where I was
>> introducing a Russian fella, and was myself introduced by a board member.
>> I
>> even talked with el Sloan, supported one of his points about the cost of
>> net
>> service, and use the same name now as then.
>
>
> But did you show him your passport? LOL How do we even know that he is
> who he says he is?He may be the spawn of alien experimentation on
> Earth women? There are lots of space visitors to Kansas, Nebraska and
> Iowa so I have been told.

Be careful what you say, earth man!

But there is also unfair attacks on Sloan - what is important is how he has
prosecuted his case during the past 12 months, which seems to me along
McCarthy lines of intimidation and 'suggestions' of 'questions.

pfft! Crap! He couldn't put his ego behind him and achieve anything. Someone
ALWAYS had to be to blame, and he the hero, like a bad B movie, when the
hero gets to protect the wimmin from the [dumb] injuns. Except Sam, who I
suspect has vagina-envy, attacked the women, his own self.

Phil Innes

Date: 23 Aug 2007 11:18:09
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 23, 12:18 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 23, 1:00 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 11:24 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > That refusal left me with no choice but to suspend him from my group
> > > especially since other group members had been complaining that "Rob
> > > Mitchell" was violating the rules of my group. If I am unable or
> > > unwilling to uphold the posted rules then I should abolish the rules,
> > > which would reduce my group to a free-for-all filled with anonymous
> > > postings like rec.games.chess.politics is now.
>
> > It is already filled with annomyous postings. So big deal.
>
> > > After I suspended "Rob Mitchell", he started joining my group under
> > > fake names and so I had to suspend those fake names as well.
>
> > I did nothing that half of the other people signed up to your account
> > have done.
> > Rob (which Mitch)
>
> I will address these two complaints, which are new.
>
> There are no anonymous postings to my group. I know the identity of
> every poster.

Really?
Then who is this poster: "cascadeofwater " ? or "korelon "

And the big lie you tell is this:

" > Again, I will reinstate Rob Mitchell any time. All he has to do is
> reveal his real name or provide proof that his real name really is Rob
> Mitchell.

> Sam Sloan"

> There are no fake postings to my group. In one recent case, I
> questioned the identity of a poster and he has not posted since. I can
> go through the last one thousand postings and tell you exactly who
> every poster is.
>
> I have kept my groups clean and relevant by keeping out the riffraff
> such as "Rob Mitchell".

LOL Proof you are delusional as well as deviant.

Rob
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 11:07:16
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 23, 12:18 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 23, 1:00 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 11:24 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > That refusal left me with no choice but to suspend him from my group
> > > especially since other group members had been complaining that "Rob
> > > Mitchell" was violating the rules of my group. If I am unable or
> > > unwilling to uphold the posted rules then I should abolish the rules,
> > > which would reduce my group to a free-for-all filled with anonymous
> > > postings like rec.games.chess.politics is now.
>
> > It is already filled with annomyous postings. So big deal.
>
> > > After I suspended "Rob Mitchell", he started joining my group under
> > > fake names and so I had to suspend those fake names as well.
>
> > I did nothing that half of the other people signed up to your account
> > have done.
> > Rob (which Mitch)
>
> I will address these two complaints, which are new.
>
> There are no anonymous postings to my group. I know the identity of
> every poster.
>
> There are no fake postings to my group. In one recent case, I
> questioned the identity of a poster and he has not posted since. I can
> go through the last one thousand postings and tell you exactly who
> every poster is.
>
> I have kept my groups clean and relevant by keeping out the riffraff
> such as "Rob Mitchell".
>
> Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
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There are at least half a dozen "members" of your group who have more
than one identity. I never hid who I am. I have always been easy to
find. You are just mired in lies Mohamed!

Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:18:07
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 23, 1:00 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 23, 11:24 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That refusal left me with no choice but to suspend him from my group
> > especially since other group members had been complaining that "Rob
> > Mitchell" was violating the rules of my group. If I am unable or
> > unwilling to uphold the posted rules then I should abolish the rules,
> > which would reduce my group to a free-for-all filled with anonymous
> > postings like rec.games.chess.politics is now.
>
> It is already filled with annomyous postings. So big deal.
>
> > After I suspended "Rob Mitchell", he started joining my group under
> > fake names and so I had to suspend those fake names as well.
>
> I did nothing that half of the other people signed up to your account
> have done.

> Rob (which Mitch)

I will address these two complaints, which are new.

There are no anonymous postings to my group. I know the identity of
every poster.

There are no fake postings to my group. In one recent case, I
questioned the identity of a poster and he has not posted since. I can
go through the last one thousand postings and tell you exactly who
every poster is.

I have kept my groups clean and relevant by keeping out the riffraff
such as "Rob Mitchell".

Sam Sloan

Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:00:45
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 23, 11:24 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I will not repeat the usual nonsense that "Rob Mitchell" spews.
>
> I never said that "Rob Mitchell" had to be an active USCF member. I
> said that he must either provide his USCF ID number or else state that
> he has never been a USCF member.

No. That is NOT what you said. You said you wanted my USCF ID number.
Heck Sam, You even printed it yourself!

> I asked him this several times over a period of days, each time
> warning him that if he did not answer he would be suspended from my
> group.

And I replied that you knew darn good and well who I was because you
already had my phone number and address from email communications
shared between us.

> He replied that he was REFUSING to answer the question.

I did not say that. I never said I refused. I said you had my
information already .

> That refusal left me with no choice but to suspend him from my group
> especially since other group members had been complaining that "Rob
> Mitchell" was violating the rules of my group. If I am unable or
> unwilling to uphold the posted rules then I should abolish the rules,
> which would reduce my group to a free-for-all filled with anonymous
> postings like rec.games.chess.politics is now.

It is already filled with annomyous postings. So big deal.

> After I suspended "Rob Mitchell", he started joining my group under
> fake names and so I had to suspend those fake names as well.

I did nothing that half of the other people signed up to your account
have done.

> Then, he started filling up my group with unwanted videos which can be
> done without officially joining the group.

What? You are nutty as a fruitcake here Mohamed!

> Then he started attacking me daily here, after threatening to do so,
> apparently believing that if he continues to attack me he will
> eventually force me to allow him back into my group.

If "attacking" is asking you about material you have on your website
and pointing out you violated the law and are a convicted felon , then
I guess I did. I never realized that your "record" was considered an
attack.

> "Rob Mitchell" claims that I kicked him out of my group because he
> said negative things about me. However, that is not true. As proof of
> this, Phil Innes attacks me in my group every day and I have never
> suspended him. (By the way, I am beginning to wonder whether Phil
> Innes is really named Phil Innes. Why is there no listing for him in
> the Vermont telephone book or anywhere else?)
>
> Sam Sloan

Who is Mohamed Sloan? He does not exist either?
Rob (which Mitch)

Date: 23 Aug 2007 09:24:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

I will not repeat the usual nonsense that "Rob Mitchell" spews.

I never said that "Rob Mitchell" had to be an active USCF member. I
said that he must either provide his USCF ID number or else state that
he has never been a USCF member.

I asked him this several times over a period of days, each time
warning him that if he did not answer he would be suspended from my
group.

He replied that he was REFUSING to answer the question.

That refusal left me with no choice but to suspend him from my group
especially since other group members had been complaining that "Rob
Mitchell" was violating the rules of my group. If I am unable or
unwilling to uphold the posted rules then I should abolish the rules,
which would reduce my group to a free-for-all filled with anonymous
postings like rec.games.chess.politics is now.

After I suspended "Rob Mitchell", he started joining my group under
fake names and so I had to suspend those fake names as well.

Then, he started filling up my group with unwanted videos which can be
done without officially joining the group.

Then he started attacking me daily here, after threatening to do so,
apparently believing that if he continues to attack me he will
eventually force me to allow him back into my group.

"Rob Mitchell" claims that I kicked him out of my group because he
said negative things about me. However, that is not true. As proof of
this, Phil Innes attacks me in my group every day and I have never
suspended him. (By the way, I am beginning to wonder whether Phil
Innes is really named Phil Innes. Why is there no listing for him in
the Vermont telephone book or anywhere else?)

Sam Sloan

Date: 23 Aug 2007 08:49:31
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 22, 6:47 pm, Bruce <bdra...@novia.net > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 6:21 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 22, 2:48 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 21, 8:30 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> > > > You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> > > Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"
>
> > > Rob (which mitch) Mitchell
>
> > What is really funny is the way "Rob Mitchell" has gone completely
> > nuts ever since I banned him from my group.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
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Dont you just love hoe Mohamed snipped the truth from his post.
Sloan calling anyone crazy is the pot calling the kettle black. He is
in denial of the truth, so he tells bigger lies to make them
believable. LOL

here is what Sam is afraid for anyone to read:

On Aug 20, 11:02 pm, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:

> > On 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00 -0700, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE_chess
> > >Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
> > >posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
> > >rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
> > >under fake names."

Rob:

for the record, I was posting under the name "robmtchl" . That is
hardly a fake name. Sloans legal name is not "Sam" . He should ban
himself.!

Sam:
> > >It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
> > >intention of complying with this rule.

Rob:

I was complying. I was simply not giving you an active USCF number as
I am not an active member. USCF membership was never a condition of
joining your group now or then.

Sam:

> > >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> > >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> > >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> > >Mitchell.

Rob:

Thats just BS. Heck Sam you even have my phone number and I shared
information and emails with you concerning televised chess projects.

Sam:

> > >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> > >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> > >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> > >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> > >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> > >member.

Rob:

I never said I was an active member. Just because someone is not an
active USCF member does not make them a "fake" person. You have silly
logic, Sam.

Sam:

> > >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> > >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> > >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> > >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> > >surprised when I never suspended him.

Rob:

I do say that. There is no other logical reason except that I held
you
accountable for your actions and your comments. Also it was because
of
me that you were censured by the USCF executive borad because you
broke the law and opend the USCF up for huge legal liabilities.

Sam:

> > >In the five years since the FIDE_chess Yahoo group was established on
> > >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> > >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> > >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> > >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> > >day and continues to do so.

Rob:

Did you demand his USCF ID? He never got you censured , did he? He
never pubically made a fool out of you with your own words, did he?

Sam:

> > >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> > >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> > >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> > >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)

> > >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> > >and he remains a member of the group to this day.

Rob:

Pray tell who this stellar person may be?

Sam:

> > >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> > >group and are posting there now.
> > >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> > >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.

Rob:

Here is the "lie" Sam only wanted my USCF ID to either see what my
playing stregnth was or to try to diminish the veracity of my
arguments against his actions by way of me not being an active USCF
menber. Even though his group is fide_chess! and not uscf_chess.

Sam:

> > >Sam Sloan
> > This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
> > Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE_chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
> > dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
> > one rule of my group.

Rob:

Now here comes the "real reason"

Sam:

>> Rob Mitchell has tried to show me in a bad light. I will not tolerate that in my group.
> > Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

Rob:

> Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Rob:

Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"

Rob (which mitch) Mitchell

Date: 23 Aug 2007 19:56:08
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

"Rob" <robmtchl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187884171.127210.232670@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> I was complying. I was simply not giving you an active USCF number as
> I am not an active member. USCF membership was never a condition of
> joining your group now or then.
>
> Sam:
>
>> > >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
>> > >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
>> > >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
>> > >Mitchell.
>
>
> Rob:
>
> Thats just BS. Heck Sam you even have my phone number and I shared
> information and emails with you concerning televised chess projects.

I believe our Sam has denied you ever sent him it. But this is a rare
correspondance!! - just think if he actually showed up. Ike would have
slaughtered him on the spot - almost certain impalement in the parking lot
:) I thought he was going to slaughter Bill Hall - he threw him off the
closed set. Isn't it fortunate that Jackie [Ties] Chan never met Mohammed el
Sloan!

> Sam:
>
>> > >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
>> > >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
>> > >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
>> > >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
>> > >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
>> > >member.
>
> Rob:
>
> I never said I was an active member. Just because someone is not an
> active USCF member does not make them a "fake" person. You have silly
> logic, Sam.

My friend Stuart Rubin is not a member either, mostly because he's British -
and just won the senior... and Kaarlo is Dutch, but living in HK, nan ja?

> Sam:
>
>> > >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
>> > >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
>> > >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
>> > >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
>> > >surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> Rob:
>
> I do say that. There is no other logical reason except that I held
> you
> accountable for your actions and your comments. Also it was because
> of
> me that you were censured by the USCF executive borad because you
> broke the law and opend the USCF up for huge legal liabilities.

Well, there is that... though cloth-ears is on a mission, look...

> Sam:
>
>> > >In the five years since the FIDE_chess Yahoo group was established on
>> > >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
>> > >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
>> > >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
>> > >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
>> > >day and continues to do so.
>
> Rob:
>
> Did you demand his USCF ID? He never got you censured , did he? He
> never pubically made a fool out of you with your own words, did he?

You don't seriously expect Mohammed el Sloan to answer this, do you? Shoot!
He is so high up his mullah-tower he probably can't even hear you.

> Sam:
>
>> > >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
>> > >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
>> > >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
>> > >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
>> > >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
>> > >and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> Rob:
>
> Pray tell who this stellar person may be?

Gosh! Sam has let someone back in who wakes up another poster at 3 am.

> Sam:
>
>> > >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
>> > >group and are posting there now.
>> > >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
>> > >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> Rob:
>
> Here is the "lie" Sam only wanted my USCF ID to either see what my
> playing stregnth was or to try to diminish the veracity of my
> arguments against his actions by way of me not being an active USCF
> menber. Even though his group is fide_chess! and not uscf_chess.

Its one of those 'prove who you are' assumption of guilt things. But who is
asking, complainant, prosecutor, judge or jury? Or all 4? What can be fairer
than this :))))))))))

> Sam:
>
>> > >Sam Sloan
>> > This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
>> > Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE_chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
>> > dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
>> > one rule of my group.
>
> Rob:
>
> Now here comes the "real reason"
>
> Sam:
>
>>> Rob Mitchell has tried to show me in a bad light. I will not tolerate
>>> that in my group.
>> > Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Rob:
>
>> Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
>> You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -

Sam takes everything very personally, and if you think his ideas are nutz@
that is the same to him as if you wrote that he is nutz@

>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Rob:
>
> Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"

But this is not the end of this paranoid post - which is truly funny! Maybe
the funniest since Brennan's efforts here: this is what he also wrote:-

""Rob Mitchell" claims that I kicked him out of this group because he
said negative things about me. However, that is not true. As proof of
this, Phil Innes attacks me in this group every day and I have never
suspended him. (By the way, I am beginning to wonder whether Phil
Innes is really named Phil Innes. Why is there no listing for him in
the Vermont telephone book or anywhere else?)"

I first met Sam Sloan in New Windsor at a board meeting where I was
introducing a Russian fella, and was myself introduced by a board member. I
even talked with el Sloan, supported one of his points about the cost of net
service, and use the same name now as then.

I 'attack' Sam Sloan every day means that I do not agree with him, or see
what issue he raises is to the public good. Of course, these days many
people 'attack' Sam Sloan, since he achieved what? as board member? One
motion carried which was to congratulate an organiser.

Whatever next? Having questioned who is this mysterious Paul Truong
character, will he now question Susan Polgar's identity? Maybe there is
really only one Polgar 'sister' and the cunning Truong represents them all
by ninja-photoshop arts learned in the mysterious orient?

Or did Truong turn Mormon and marry all three?

> Rob (which mitch) Mitchell

Cordially, The Duke of Mexico, [Montezuma especially], and the Queen of the
May.

>
>
>

Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:29:34
From:
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending Brian P. Lafferty from society

Troll wrote:

>We don't need any gay scumbag lawyer like Brian P. Lafferty and his
>boyfriends Sam Sloan and Brenan Nierman.

"The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in
exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect
toward homosexual individuals.

"Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35)
and a group of non-homophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned
to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia
(WW Hudson & WA Ricketts, 1980).

"The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli
consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian
videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored.
They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (AH. Buss &
M Perry, 1992).

"Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the
heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic
men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual
stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression.

"Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal
that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."

"Latent homosexuality can be defined as homosexual arousal which
the individual is either unaware of or denies. Psychoanalysts
use the concept of repressed or latent homosexuality to explain
the emotional malaise and irrational attitudes displayed by some
individuals who feel guilty about their erotic interests and
struggle to deny and repress homosexual impulses. When placed
in a situation that threatens to excite their own unwanted
homosexual thoughts, they overreact with panic or anger.

"Anxiety about homosexuality typically does not occur in
individuals who are same-sex oriented, but it usually involves
individuals who are ostensibly heterosexual and have difficulty
integrating their homosexual feelings or activity."

Source: _Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?_ by
Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany
A. Lohr, University of Georgia, published in Journal of Abnormal
Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.

Date: 22 Aug 2007 17:25:58
From: Jackass Lafferty
Subject: I am hereby suspending Brian P. Lafferty from society

On 22 Aug, 18:47, Bruce <bdra...@novia.net > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 6:21 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:

We don't need any gay scumbag lawyer like Brian P. Lafferty and his
boyfriends Sam Sloan and Brenan Nierman.

Date: 22 Aug 2007 16:47:48
From: Bruce
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 22, 6:21 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2:48 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 8:30 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> > > You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"
>
> > Rob (which mitch) Mitchell
>
> What is really funny is the way "Rob Mitchell" has gone completely
> nuts ever since I banned him from my group.
>
> Sam Sloan

Must be that effect you are having on him Sam. :)

Date: 22 Aug 2007 16:21:43
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 22, 2:48 pm, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:30 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> > You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"
>
> Rob (which mitch) Mitchell

What is really funny is the way "Rob Mitchell" has gone completely
nuts ever since I banned him from my group.

Sam Sloan

Date: 22 Aug 2007 11:48:11
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE_chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 21, 8:30 am, Rob <robmt...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 20, 11:02 pm, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
>
>

Sam ,
you are a paranoid fabricator.
>
>
> > On 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00 -0700, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE_chess
> > >Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
> > >posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
> > >rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
> > >under fake names."

for the record, I was posting under the name "robmtchl" . That is
hardly a fake name. Sloans legal name is not "Sam" . He should ban
himself.!

> > >It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
> > >intention of complying with this rule.

I was complying. I was simply not giving you an active USCF number as
I am not an active member. USCF membership was never a condition of
joining your group now or then.

> > >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> > >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> > >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> > >Mitchell.

Thats just BS. Heck Sam you even have my phone number and I shared
information and emails with you concerning televised chess projects.

> > >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> > >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> > >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> > >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> > >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> > >member.

I never said I was an active member. Just because someone is not an
active USCF member does not make them a "fake" person. You have silly
logic, Sam.

> > >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> > >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> > >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> > >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> > >surprised when I never suspended him.

I do say that. There is no other logical reason except that I held you
accountable for your actions and your comments. Also it was because of
me that you were censured by the USCF executive borad because you
broke the law and opend the USCF up for huge legal liabilities.

> > >In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> > >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> > >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> > >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> > >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> > >day and continues to do so.

Did you demand his USCF ID? He never got you censured , did he? He
never pubically made a fool out of you with your own words, did he?

> > >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> > >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> > >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> > >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> > >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> > >and he remains a member of the group to this day.

Pray tell who this stellar person may be?

> > >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> > >group and are posting there now.

> > >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> > >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.

Here is the "lie" Sam only wanted my USCF ID to either see what my
playing stregnth was or to try to diminish the veracity of my
arguments against his actions by way of me not being an active USCF
menber. Even though his group is fide_chess! and not uscf_chess.

> > >Sam Sloan

> > This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
> > Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE_chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
> > dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
> > one rule of my group.

Now here comes the "real reason"

>> Rob Mitchell has tried to show me in a bad light. I will not tolerate that in my group.
> > Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
> You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Now, as Paul Harvey says, "you have the rest of the story"

Rob (which mitch) Mitchell

Date: 21 Aug 2007 06:30:25
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 20, 11:02 pm, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00 -0700, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess
> >Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
> >posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
> >rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
> >under fake names."
>
> >It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
> >intention of complying with this rule.
>
> >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> >Mitchell.
>
> >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> >member.
>
> >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> >surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> >In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> >day and continues to do so.
>
> >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> >and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> >group and are posting there now.
>
> >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> >Sam Sloan
>
> This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
> Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE-chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
> dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
> one rule of my group.
>
> Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Poor Sam. Things must be pretty boring in your little room!
You lie and lie again and again. You are a joke.

Date: 21 Aug 2007 04:01:52
From: help bot
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Aug 20, 11:02 pm, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00 -0700, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess
> >Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
> >posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
> >rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
> >under fake names."
>
> >It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
> >intention of complying with this rule.
>
> >I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> >selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> >names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> >Mitchell.
>
> >One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> >that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> >to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> >that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> >that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> >member.
>
> >I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> >attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> >have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> >Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> >surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> >In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> >January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> >Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> >refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> >was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> >day and continues to do so.
>
> >The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> >postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> >at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> >the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> >In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> >and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> >So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> >group and are posting there now.
>
> >"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> >name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> >Sam Sloan
>
> This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
> Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE-chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
> dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
> one rule of my group.
>
> Sam Sloan

I would like to address the comments regarding Rob Mitchell
being unrated, or having never played in a USCF-rated
tournament. Right now I am in the process of tallying up all
the pieces and pawns he has hung against me, and when I get
new batteries -- *alkalines* -- for my calculator, I will report my
findings. Does anyone know which brand lasts the longest
under heavy drain? I'm tired of having to start over when I was
only halfway done adding.

-- help bot

Date: 21 Aug 2007 04:02:45
From: Sam Sloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On 16 Apr 2007 15:17:00 -0700, "samsloan" <samhsloan@gmail.com > wrote:

>I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess
>Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
>posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
>rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
>under fake names."
>
>It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
>intention of complying with this rule.
>
>I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
>selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
>names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
>Mitchell.
>
>One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
>that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
>to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
>that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
>that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
>member.
>
>I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
>attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
>have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
>Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
>surprised when I never suspended him.
>
>In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
>January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
>Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
>refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
>was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
>day and continues to do so.
>
>The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
>postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
>at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
>the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
>In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
>and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
>So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
>group and are posting there now.
>
>"Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
>name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
>Sam Sloan

This is to remind everyone of the real reason I suspended "Rob
Mitchell" from posting to my FIDE-chess Yahoo Group, not to suppress
dissent, but because "Rob Mitchell" persistently refused to follow the
one rule of my group.

Sam Sloan

Date: 25 Apr 2007 21:34:10
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 25, 5:00 am, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Rob Mitchell has just now finally provided me with a USCF ID number
> which has says it his. The number is 12965920
>
> It is to be recalled that I suspended him from my FIDE-chess Yahoo
> group because Rob Mitchell refused to provide his USCF ID number and
> said that he would not do so, thereby violating a rule of my group
> that anonymous or fake name posters are not allowed.
>
> By providing this number, Rob Mitchell is asking to be reinstated.
>
> This number indicates that he is not a USCF member and has never
> played in a USCF rated tournament.

SO?

> He has also started his own group with a name nearly
> identical to mine, the only difference being _ as opposed to -. He
> states that he has banned me from his newly created group.
>
> He put me into his own group and made a member without my permission
> and then banned me from this group I never asked to join.

This is a LIE.

> As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
> Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
> supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.

You are simply a coward.
> Sam Sloan

Date: 25 Apr 2007 03:00:31
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

Rob Mitchell has just now finally provided me with a USCF ID number
which has says it his. The number is 12965920

It is to be recalled that I suspended him from my FIDE-chess Yahoo
group because Rob Mitchell refused to provide his USCF ID number and
said that he would not do so, thereby violating a rule of my group
that anonymous or fake name posters are not allowed.

By providing this number, Rob Mitchell is asking to be reinstated.

This number indicates that he is not a USCF member and has never
played in a USCF rated tournament.

However, he has since then rejoined my group twice under other fake
names and these fake names have had to be banned. He has also filled
up other forums with personal attacks on me and other general
nonsense. He has also started his own group with a name nearly
identical to mine, the only difference being _ as opposed to -. He
states that he has banned me from his newly created group. By creating
this group with confusingly similar name, he is obviously trying to
trick people into joining his group when they think they are joining
mine.

He put me into his own group and made a member without my permission
and then banned me from this group I never asked to join.

As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.

Sam Sloan

Date: 25 Apr 2007 12:03:46
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

>
> As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
> Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
> supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.
>
> Sam Sloan

I think everyone is appalled, rather than lacking support. Usually
'moderators' act on complaints, and there was no complaint.

The person implicated was the moderator himself, who then acted as
prosecutor, judge and jury, and it was Sam Sloan who received no support -
sought no views of others, and has instead turned the tables on Mitchell by
requiring him to prove who he is - as if we were to believe that Sam Sloan
was ever in doubt!

It was a one-person tribunal.

Sam Sloan is allowed great largesse on the chess scene for raising issues
that it is hard to see why they were ever made secret in the first place, if
they were at all honest. And I suppose everything is fair game at USCF since
there is just so much secrecy and continuous questionable competencies of
management.

The only thing off-limit is for Sam Sloan is Sam Sloan himself, who, I don't
think really understands why people don't like him. When he is questioned to
any degree whatever, he either pretends he doesn't notice the question, and
just as importantly in a public position, why others ask it, or he becomes
rather inventive of what is going on, as here.

This instance is therefore such a minor one for Sloan to admit that he has
not acted well, that unless he can fess up, what sort of measure of him do
we have?

Standards are important, especially understanding that the private
orientations of citizen-Sloan are legally supported under the law, but his
public role at USCF has other criteria; specifically here the matter is what
benefits the public's health in chess - and this is Rob Mitchell's quaere.

Sloan might simply admit his error, and allow Mitchell to speak to an issue
as Sloan himself wishes to speak to every issue - precisely the same
principle.

Or he might conclude on the basis of what other people say, as he writes
above, which inherently contains the flaw that people are silent because
they think Sloan is an unprincipled shit.

Phil Innes
Vermont

---------

Sam Sloan keeps up the blather that he has become confused over Rob
Mitchell's identity, that Rob Mitchell never sent him his telephone #, and
there are so many Rob Mitchell's around that he, Sam Sloan, is somehow
confused.

But what Rob Mitchell actually did is challenge Sam Sloan's actions -not his
blather.
He challenged the reporting of Bill Hall's medical status;
Challenged it in law, and as ethical factor.

He also challenged the porn on Sam Sloan's site.

I would say that any politician who would ban someone for questioning what
they actually do is someone living in fantasy-land. Chess politicos need to
become quite literally, response-able - and packing people off to the Gulags
is quite out of style!

At least Rob Mitchell knows what standards are - since he impartially
defended Sam Sloan just one month ago for the destructive action at
Wikipedia, even though quite clearly Mitchell and Sloan have different views
on much else.

In terms of their relationship it is strange to think that Mitchell appears
as the impartial administrator, and Sloan the fickle faddist.

Phil Innes

--------

Date: 25 Apr 2007 19:07:29
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

--- In fide-chess@yahoogroups.com, "samhsloan" <sloan@... > wrote:
>
> Rob Mitchell has banned me from his new group not that I am interested
> in joining but when I went to the link that he had posted it states
> that I am banned.
>
> Go to
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIDE_CHESS/join
>
> When I go there, it states:
>
> "You have been banned from this group by the group moderator (Yahoo!
> ID banned: samhsloan). You may not join the group FIDE_CHESS."
>
> Sam Sloan

Very funny. Rob Mitchell has apparently unbanned me in just the last
few minutes.

I just went there again. Now it says I can join.

I feel so much better to be wanted again.

However, I think I will just stay in my own little world.

But, by the way, The Fake Ray Gordon claims that Phil Innes and Rob
Mitchell are the same person. How do you answer that, Rob=Phil ?

Sam Sloan\

--
Since you banned him, then he can't well answer, and if you can't tell the
difference in our writing you are equally inobservant at that level too -
but tell me, how will you live this down?

You are seen to publicly act in a cowardly way. How ironic that others
defend you from 'moderation'! How ironic I did, and Mitchell did! And how
ironic we did so more than anyone else, so that the absurd Blair's bent
could be seen to be what it is.

I am strongly considering banning myself from your ng, and really only stick
around to assess what, if any, thought is going on in chess USA. What there
is become drowned in raging personality issues, which is to say, of the
inflated egos of those who fight each other in the pathetic shrinking pool,
and in terms of any resultant effect on the chess public, a zzzzzz greater
than day-time TV.

Phil Innes

Date: 25 Apr 2007 16:07:39
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:CsHXh.12844$bZ2.6331@trndny01...
>
>>
>> As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
>> Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
>> supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.
>>
>> Sam Sloan

Since it is uncertain who Sam 'notes' here is another note from today:

As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.

If you include me in that group, the only reason I am quiet is in disgust
with your duplicity.

How did I find Rob Mitchell? I looked him up in the White Pages on
Yahoo.com. You could easily have done that and verified he was who he said
he was. From here it looks like you wanted to ban him because he was
telling too many uncomfortable truths about you.

--
Steve in Tennessee

Date: 25 Apr 2007 16:06:15
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

>> By providing this number, Rob Mitchell is asking to be reinstated.
>
> How can we know that this USCF ID number actually refers to the poster
> formerly known as "Rob Mitchell". Nothing short of a DNA sample and 5
> generation geneologic tree,

ROFL! Only 5? Normal for Celts to go 50. For example, in the year 1050 my
family decided to split up, and some of us became Innes and others became
Hamish, [which sounds exactly the same in the highlands, BTW] but we were
the idiot members of the tribe who left Ireland for Scotland, while those
who stayed became the MacInnes tribe, now spelled Guinness.

No one should have started changing the name at all and left it in the
original, which is Ynys.

In about 1350 another split occured and the Innesses became the Inneses and
the Mitchells [which sounds exactly the same in the highlands, BTW], and
then some of us remaining Innes clan panicked in 1510 and split again to
become Innes and Roxeburghe, [which sounds exactly the same in the
highlands, BTW].

Fortunately, since that time there have been no major changes, and the Innes
clan are spitting solid rabid Jacobites, who are to Sassenachs [that's
'Saxons' to you], what Atilla was to the Turks.

<..ye olde heave ho.. >

>> As a result of all of the above, I see no reason for allowing Rob
>> Mitchell back into my group and I note that the only two people who
>> supported his being reinstated have been quiet about that lately.
>
> I agree. In fact, I think that *everyone* except Sam Sloan should be
> immediately banned from this group.

I'll ban you if you ban me - a sort of suicide-Sloan pledge - possibly we
could explore a trial suicide and anyone signing up won't post here until
June 1st, or the postal rating system gets completely caught up, whichever
is likelier?

Cordially, Phil "Dark-Dirk" Ynys

> --
> Kenneth Sloan
> KennethRSloan@gmail.com
> Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-934-2213
> University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
>
>

Date: 18 Apr 2007 05:14:55
From: samsloan
Subject: "Rob Mitchell" is gay

On 17 Apr, 20:56, Rob <robmt...@msn.com > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 7:48 pm, Mike Murray <mikemur...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
> > On 17 Apr 2007 14:32:45 -0700, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >--- In fide-ch...@yahoogroups.com, "muskraattt" <muskraattt@...>
> > >wrote:
>
> > >>www.mp3.com.au/robmitchell
> > >I suppose that your point is that there is a talented singer/
> > >songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the world
> > >famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.
> > >Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same
> > >person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?
>
> > As I recall, Rob mentioned this other avocation soon after he started
> > posting here a couple years ago. =A0Give it up, Sam. =A0He exists and is
> > who he says he is.
>
> Thanks Mike. You also found my sailboat "Prozac" LOL
> :-)

Rob Mitchell is gay.

Date: 17 Apr 2007 17:56:34
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 17, 7:48 pm, Mike Murray <mikemur...@despammed.com > wrote:
> On 17 Apr 2007 14:32:45 -0700, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >--- In fide-ch...@yahoogroups.com, "muskraattt" <muskraattt@...>
> >wrote:
>
> >>www.mp3.com.au/robmitchell
> >I suppose that your point is that there is a talented singer/
> >songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the world
> >famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.
> >Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same
> >person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?
>
> As I recall, Rob mentioned this other avocation soon after he started
> posting here a couple years ago. Give it up, Sam. He exists and is
> who he says he is.

Thanks Mike. You also found my sailboat "Prozac" LOL
:-)

Date: 17 Apr 2007 17:30:17
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 17, 4:32 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> --- In fide-ch...@yahoogroups.com, "muskraattt" <muskraattt@...>
> wrote:
>
> >www.mp3.com.au/robmitchell
>
> I suppose that your point is that there is a talented singer/
> songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the world
> famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.

Yes, I am that talented singer/songwriter.

> Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same

> person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?

You are the gadfly Sam.
> If you search the MSA athttp://www.uschess.org/msa/you will see that
> there are 36 present or former USCF members named Rob or Robert
> Mitchell.

There are only TWO Rob Mitchells. ROB ROB ROB... Not ROBERT. If it had
been Robert or Bob I would have said Robert or BOB. I dont have to
change my name to Mohammed or Ismail to come to terms with my self
identity.

>
> I simply asked Rob Mitchell to provide his USCF ID number so that I
> can tell which Rob Mitchell he is or, if he has never been a USCF
> number and therefore does not have a USCF ID number, he should say so.
>> He has refused to answer this perfectly reasonable question. Instead
> he has gone on a tizzy with a plethora of attacks on me and on the
> USCF.

If you can open the msa and see there are only two listings for a Rob
Mitchell you should be able to figure it out. I am not responsible for
your inabilities.

> This only convinces me that I did the right thing by suspending him.

Why wont you take my invitation to a game? Are you afraid of playing
badly?
> Sam Sloan

Date: 17 Apr 2007 14:32:45
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

--- In fide-chess@yahoogroups.com, "muskraattt" <muskraattt@... >
wrote:

> www.mp3.com.au/robmitchell

I suppose that your point is that there is a talented singer/
songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the world
famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.

Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same
person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?

If you search the MSA at http://www.uschess.org/msa/ you will see that
there are 36 present or former USCF members named Rob or Robert
Mitchell.

I simply asked Rob Mitchell to provide his USCF ID number so that I
can tell which Rob Mitchell he is or, if he has never been a USCF
number and therefore does not have a USCF ID number, he should say so.

He has refused to answer this perfectly reasonable question. Instead
he has gone on a tizzy with a plethora of attacks on me and on the
USCF.

This only convinces me that I did the right thing by suspending him.

Sam Sloan

Date: 17 Apr 2007 17:48:31
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On 17 Apr 2007 14:32:45 -0700, samsloan <samhsloan@gmail.com > wrote:

>--- In fide-chess@yahoogroups.com, "muskraattt" <muskraattt@...>
>wrote:
>
>> www.mp3.com.au/robmitchell

>I suppose that your point is that there is a talented singer/
>songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the world
>famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.

>Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same
>person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?

As I recall, Rob mentioned this other avocation soon after he started
posting here a couple years ago. Give it up, Sam. He exists and is
who he says he is.

Date: 17 Apr 2007 21:56:32
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

I suppose that your point

**whose? - the person you banned from reading this [duh!] ? what point?
indecent public expression?

> is that there is a talented
singer/songwriter named Rob Mitchell who has performed live at the
world famous "Bluebird Cafe'" in Nashville.

**you 'suppose' that, do you?

Are you suggesting that the singer/songwriter Rob Mitchell is the same
person chess Internet gadfly Rob Mitchell?

**Sloan-the-coward supposes the person who identified himself is in fact
himself. He chucks in 'gadfly', I wonder why?

If you search the MSA at http://www.uschess.org/msa/ you will see that
there are 36 present or former USCF members named Rob or Robert Mitchell.

I simply asked Rob Mitchell to provide his USCF ID number so that I
can tell which Rob Mitchell he is or, if he has never been a USCF
number and therefore does not have a USCF ID number, he should say so.

**that's reasonable! so many Rob Mitchell's write here there is massive
confusion among the readers - it is frequently noted by other writers that
all these Rob Mitchell's confuse them.

He has refused to answer this perfectly reasonable question.

**Perfectly reasonable! That's what we say in group: My name is Phil Innes
and I am a paranoid.

Instead
he has gone in a tizzy with a plethora of attacks on me and on the USCF.

**'Attacked' meaning questioned, in this instance, Sam Sloan's actual
behavior, defended him against Louis Blair's behavior - in short, a
discriminating behavior to other than Sam Sloan's ego, which is the only
subject Sam Sloan admits, while he trivialises and diminishes anything else.
Cowardly Sloan strikes again! How he wailed when this was done to him at
USCF's forum. HOW he wailed!

This only convinces me that I did the right thing by suspending him.

**Sure, as I mentioned before, I intend to make you quite famous,
pre-election, for these perfectly reasonable attitudes you profess to hold
while contrasting them with what you actually do.

**There was some thought that you might open up issues which should never
have been closed, and which become poisonous if shut up, but we see these
are merely matters of expedient expression, and resolve around no matter of
public interest, but your own ambition at the expense of such interest.

Phil Innes
--------

Sam Sloan

Date: 17 Apr 2007 13:17:11
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 17, 3:00 pm, help bot <nomorech...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 16, 6:17 pm, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> > selected this name because
>
> Um, Mr. Sloan, you seem to be missing one teeny,
> tiny little point: no one selects their own birth name;
> that is something done by the parents, long before
> a chess player even learns to talk.
>
> > Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> > names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> > Mitchell.
>
> Look: all you have to do screen out anybody who is
> a half-decent chess player; that will cut the task of
> identifying RM down to size. Next, screen by
> geographic location, etc. You can also safely
> eliminate anybody who can spell "attack". :>D
>
> > One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> > that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> > to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> > that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> > that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> > member.
>
> Or that he may not be very interested in USCF politics.
>
> > I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> > attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> > have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> > Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> > surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> > In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> > January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> > Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> > refused to reveal his last name.
>
> FYI: it was probably just "Steve", like say, Madonna or Cher
> or Raffi.
>
> > Later, when he told me that his name
> > was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> > day and continues to do so.
>
> In the last three years, there has been a strangely odd
> number of killings of men named Steve Owen; maybe
> the guy you hired is as confused as you are? My dad
> (who carried a golden gun) always used to say: "if you
> want something done right, do it yourself". (I've been
> hunting his killer, a Mr. Bond, ever since.)
>
> > The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> > postings. There were
>
> *was*
>
> > a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> > at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> > the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> But it was already 4 am *my* time!
>
> > In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> > and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> > So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> > group and are posting there now.
>
> > "Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> > name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> What a guy! If RM tells you exactly who he is, so you
> can track him down, you will then allow him to post until
> your man finds him.
>
> -- help bot

Bot
This is all so odd. If he ever bothered to check his own emails he HAS
my cell phone number! He HAS my email address. He KNOWS what State I
live in and should know the city as I was at a SUPERNATIONALS ans was
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER of CHESSMASTERMINDS.
Senile dementia is a horrible disease. Does Sam suffer from it or do
we just suffer SAM?

Date: 17 Apr 2007 13:00:25
From: help bot
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 16, 6:17 pm, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:

> I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> selected this name because

Um, Mr. Sloan, you seem to be missing one teeny,
tiny little point: no one selects their own birth name;
that is something done by the parents, long before
a chess player even learns to talk.

> Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> Mitchell.

Look: all you have to do screen out anybody who is
a half-decent chess player; that will cut the task of
identifying RM down to size. Next, screen by
geographic location, etc. You can also safely
eliminate anybody who can spell "attack". : >D

> One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> member.

Or that he may not be very interested in USCF politics.

> I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> refused to reveal his last name.

FYI: it was probably just "Steve", like say, Madonna or Cher
or Raffi.

> Later, when he told me that his name
> was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> day and continues to do so.

In the last three years, there has been a strangely odd
number of killings of men named Steve Owen; maybe
the guy you hired is as confused as you are? My dad
(who carried a golden gun) always used to say: "if you
want something done right, do it yourself". (I've been
hunting his killer, a Mr. Bond, ever since.)

> The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> postings. There were

*was*

> a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)

But it was already 4 am *my* time!

> In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> group and are posting there now.
>
> "Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.

What a guy! If RM tells you exactly who he is, so you
can track him down, you will then allow him to post until
your man finds him.

-- help bot

Date: 17 Apr 2007 12:21:50
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

> This, you see, is your problem, your massive egotism cannot stand the
> slightest challenge to its need to express, neither can you moderate it.
>
> I can certainly make you famous for this stunt, though I doubt in
any way
> you'd like.
>
> You are a coward, Sloan.
>
> Phil Innes

Not true at all. If I was going to suspend him for that reason I would
suspend you too. Of course, I know that Phil Innes is a real person
because I have met you, although few others have.

-----

'TIS THE SEASON TO BE INSINCERE

Few others of your acquaintance? I bet! But I think during this election
season, which has so far lasted 9 months in your case, you suspended Rob
Mitchell for 2 things that you find personally inconvenient.

1) that he has questioned your responsibility under HIPPA, in reporting
medical details of USCF staff, and
2) he has challenged your posture to public decency by way of what you
express at your website

What you state below is in plain contradiction to what others have posted
about knowing who Rob Mitchell is, and you slither away once more from
taking responsibility for your own actions [!] - nevermind acting on behalf
of others, which is a public responsibility in a public office.

Mr. Mitchell did not attack you - he attacked your behavior, and asked if it
was sufficiently decent? What you have done is to seek to eliminate the
question by shooting the messenger - and fatuously with the excuse that you
deny him his own name! pfft ROFL!!!

AN HONESTY TEST

And ignominiously too, which is why I say your behavior is cowardly, Rob
Mitchell actually expended considerable time defending your /work/ at
Wikipedia from destruction - an objective factor which you conveniently
ignore. You will note that this was in praise of good work, and in high
irony, in resentment of destructive censorship.

The fact that he strenuously defended your /work/ and not anything to do
with your personality (which he obviously does not find congenial) is
completely lost on you - since as I wrote above, your ego can't separate the
two, and so lacks considerable discrimination - never mind attending to the
needs of other people, which usually requires rather more than me! me! me!
or blaming others.

This is cheap electioneering on a personality basis, and completely normal
as such, and what inhibits any progress at all at USCF - and rather than my
mentioning more about yourself, I content myself by noticing that the
subject has to do with EVERYONE which is of responsible and decent adult
behavior, and this was Rob Mitchell's topic, and one you eliminate rather
than attend.

WHAT IS THE ISSUE, AGAIN?

It is not even necessary to agree with other people's comments to
acknowledge that they are sincerely held, and that other people express them
because they find it necessary to do so - perceiving that something is
missing? In this instance the subject of public decency in expression is
entirely missing, and a yawning void in all these affairs.

Phil Innes
Vermont
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True, Rob Mitchell has become increasingly nasty and abusive of late
and he touched a raw nerve for criticizing a website I created for my
daughter Jessica, but he denied all my requests to reveal his true
identity, so I was left with no choice under the rules but to suspend him.

The rule that posters must reveal their real names has a rational
basis. It keeps out all the riff-raff of Fake Sam Sloans and the like
who just attack people and convert the chess forums into a garbage
dumpster. Most of the good posters have left rec.games.chess.politics
because of all the anonymous or fake-name posters who reside there and
who make no contribution but just attack everybody.

Again, I will reinstate Rob Mitchell any time. All he has to do is
reveal his real name or provide proof that his real name really is Rob
Mitchell.

Sam Sloan

Date: 16 Apr 2007 20:18:07
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I am hereby suspending "Rob Mitchell" from posting to the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group

On Apr 16, 5:17 pm, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I am hereby suspending Rob Mitchell from posting to the FIDE-chess
> Yahoo Group. This group has only one rule which is that everybody who
> posts to the group must reveal their real name. The publicly posted
> rule states: "This group does not allow anonymous postings or postings
> under fake names."
>
> It is obvious from his postings today that "Rob Mitchell" has no
> intention of complying with this rule.
>
> I now believe that "Rob Mitchell" is a fake name. I believe that he
> selected this name because Rob Mitchell is one of the most common
> names with 36 USCF members having the name of either Rob or Robert
> Mitchell.
>
> One factor that tipped me off that this is a fake name it the fact
> that Rob Mitchell does not post to the USCF Forums although he posts
> to every other active chess group. The USCF Forums is the one group
> that requires that all members be USCF members. Therefore, the fact
> that Rob Mitchell does not go there indicates that he is not a USCF
> member.
>
> I know that he will say that I am suspending him because he has been
> attacking me lately. This is absolutely not true. Many other posters
> have attacked me every day and I have never suspended them. John
> Fernandez used to attack me several times a day and people were
> surprised when I never suspended him.
>
> In the five years since the FIDE-chess Yahoo group was established on
> January 14, 2002, I have only suspended two chess players. One was
> Steve of Alabama, now Steve of Tennessee, whom I suspended because he
> refused to reveal his last name. Later, when he told me that his name
> was Steve Owens, I let him back in even though he attacked me every
> day and continues to do so.
>
> The other person I suspended was known for obnoxious and objectionable
> postings. There were a tremendous number of complaints about him and
> at least one person had left the group because of him. (He was also
> the same person who woke up Mike Nolan at 3:00 AM recently.)
>
> In that case, I allowed him to rejoin on a promise of good behavior
> and he remains a member of the group to this day.
>
> So, the only two people I have ever suspended have since rejoined the
> group and are posting there now.
>
> "Rob Mitchell" too can be reinstated provided that he reveals his real
> name and provides verifiable information establishing his identity.
>
> Sam Sloan

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIDE_CHESS/join

You have my address, you have my phone number. We have discussed TV
projects. I have invited you to play email chess with several other
people. This is a farce Sam, or you are mentally losing it!

Here is the new FIDE Chess site!

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIDE_CHESS/join
Rob Mitchell, LUTCF