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Date: 04 Nov 2008 10:11:53
From: SAT W-7
Subject: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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I belive that will happen .
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 00:30:49
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 10, 6:05 am, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
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> [...] black people *have* rioted before [...]
> because of tactics such as those described here:
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/precinct_elections_official/
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> as being used in Iowa in 2004 [...]
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> John Savard
Thank you, John, for this link.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 12 Nov 2008 00:15:42
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 10, 6:27 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> this was one of the more civil (or at least less dirty) Presidential
> campaigns in recent memory.
Indeed, a relatively sympathetic race.
> Some dirty tricks and hyperbolic rhetoric
> here and there, [...]
Where "here and there" were mainly the media--
some of the tv presenters and regular guests,
uck! ugh!
===
On the other hand, due to the quick downturn of economy,
the candidates never looked so pathetic as this time.
Obama was much better at saying nothing, while McCain
bluffed and lost despite more healthy instincts (which
without a profound or any understanding didn't buy much
for him). McCain felt the pressure of saying something
while Obama have not given in to it.
The fact that Obama is African American (one half is
enough), and got elected, has a tremendous positive
impact on the US, and will help the US internationally
too, for long years. It's priceless! On the other
hand, I wish he had different views. I count on his
intelligence and pragmatism. Bill Clinton had similar
views and sentiments but somehow was doing relatively
well--thanks to these two virtues: high intelligence
and pragmatism (a fortunate lack of fanaticism).
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 11 Nov 2008 21:45:44
From: help bot
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 10, 11:44=A0am, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
> > =A0 I think that if Mr. McCain wins, Bobby Fischer will
> > rise from the dead and defeat all the world's top
> > players in a Rook-odds simul, with only Mr.
> > Kasparov putting up any significant resistance.
> > =A0 Then Sara Palin will discover the world's largest
> > oil field just off the coast of Alaska and the price of
> > gasoline will fall to 20 cents per gallon. =A0That's only
> > if Mr. McCain wins, of course.
> Then there's building a very dangerous fountain out of sausages...
How easy it is to be a critic when those predictions can
now never be scientifically put to the test. I was right
about the weather (it's getting colder here) and about the
stock market-- my broker says I should probably apply at
Wal-mart for a position as a door-greeter if I don't want to
starve this winter, since all the other companies will soon
go bankrupt or else be bought out by the Feds. I always
pictured "Wallyworld" as growing by way of gradual
expansion, not winning out simply because everybody
else failed... .
-- help bot
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Date: 10 Nov 2008 08:44:12
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 5, 4:20=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 I think that if Mr. McCain wins, Bobby Fischer will
> rise from the dead and defeat all the world's top
> players in a Rook-odds simul, with only Mr.
> Kasparov putting up any significant resistance.
> =A0 Then Sara Palin will discover the world's largest
> oil field just off the coast of Alaska and the price of
> gasoline will fall to 20 cents per gallon. =A0That's only
> if Mr. McCain wins, of course.
Then there's building a very dangerous fountain out of sausages...
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=3D20071102
John Savard
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Date: 10 Nov 2008 06:27:53
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 10, 9:05=A0am, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:29 am, Quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 4:52 pm, Quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 5, 7:26 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote=
:
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> > > > > =A0 Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain suppor=
ters to
> > > > > riot?
>
> > > > a) They're civilized people...
>
> > > =A0 So are Obama supporters.
>
> > I wasn't _really_ suggesting otherwise...
>
> And, besides the fact that black people *have* rioted before, had
> Obama lost because of tactics such as those described here:
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/precinct_elections_official/
>
> as being used in Iowa in 2004, it would be understandable.
>
> But the rules were changed - and African-Americans turned out in
> droves and stood in line for hours for Obama, creating a victory that
> no underhanded tactics could stop.
>
> John Savard
Relax, John. I wasn't casting any aspersions your way. I just wanted
to make clear my view that the great majority of both McCain
supporters and Obama supporters are decent, civilized people. Frankly,
this was one of the more civil (or at least less dirty) Presidential
campaigns in recent memory. Some dirty tricks and hyperbolic rhetoric
here and there, but not at all as bad as I feared it might be
(remembering, for example, Willie Horton in Bush-Dukakis 1988, or
Jesse Helms' "white hands" ad).
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Date: 10 Nov 2008 06:05:32
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 7, 12:29 am, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 4:52 pm, Quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Nov 5, 7:26 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain supporters to
> > > > riot?
>
> > > a) They're civilized people...
>
> > So are Obama supporters.
>
> I wasn't _really_ suggesting otherwise...
And, besides the fact that black people *have* rioted before, had
Obama lost because of tactics such as those described here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/precinct_elections_official/
as being used in Iowa in 2004, it would be understandable.
But the rules were changed - and African-Americans turned out in
droves and stood in line for hours for Obama, creating a victory that
no underhanded tactics could stop.
John Savard
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Date: 07 Nov 2008 07:13:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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> =A0 In any event, Zebediah is no giant-killer. =A0He may
> well be a Taylor Kingston type, equipped with Fritz
> but allowing his ego to degrade Fritz's play by
> interjecting his own moves, here and there. =A0Or he
> could be almost anyone, operating a weaker chess
> engine. =A0Rybka would stomp Zeb. =A0The reason he
> is beating GetClub like carrots is obvious-- GC is
> perhaps around the Class A level, so no matter
> which commercial program Zeb might use, he has
> a huge advantage.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
Today by a miracle GetClub was improved and its now twice Stronger.
Now, Beginner itself will give a tough challenge.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 06 Nov 2008 23:29:31
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 4:52 pm, Quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 7:26 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain supporters to
> > > riot?
>
> > a) They're civilized people...
>
> So are Obama supporters.
I wasn't _really_ suggesting otherwise...
John Savard
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Date: 06 Nov 2008 15:08:53
From: help bot
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 5, 6:20=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 If Mr. Obama wins, I think the folks at Fox News
> will pull their hair out-- both sides of their heads, of
> course... fair and balanced. =A0Then the stock market
> will plummet...
Was I right or was I right? The Standard and Poor's
index is down ten percent, just two days after the
election. I have yet to see how the bozos at Fox
News are handling this, but we all know that their
reaction, whatever it might be, will be fair and
balanced.
My next prediction? The weather will turn colder.
-- help bot
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Date: 06 Nov 2008 14:13:04
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 6, 4:52=A0pm, Quadibloc <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 7:26=A0am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > =A0 Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain supporters t=
o
> > riot?
>
> a) They're civilized people...
So are Obama supporters.
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Date: 06 Nov 2008 13:52:47
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 5, 7:26=A0am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain supporters to
> riot?
a) They're civilized people...
b) with money, so they have too much to lose by getting in trouble
with the law,
c) and he was behind in the polls, so his loss would not be taken as
an indication the election was rigged.
John Savard
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Date: 06 Nov 2008 13:50:59
From: Quadibloc
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 5, 4:20=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> Then the stock market
> will plummet... oh wait-- it already did that.
Ah, but the value of shares in Diebold should go up, since the vicious
smears spread by the extreme left about them will be refuted, so the
company's reputation will be unsullied. Except, of course, those
accusations were never taken seriously outside the tinfoil hat crowd
anyways...
John Savard
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Date: 05 Nov 2008 20:47:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 5, 11:52=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now Master level at GetClub is sitting lonely as no one is able to
> beat it. Only Zebediah using his super computer can beat it.
I ran a game or two of Zebediah's through my old
version of Rybka, on my old, slow notebook computer.
He definitely was not using anything special-- neither
hardware or software, for Rybka easily found many
improvements. The only thing which seems clear is
that the *style* was that of a computer program.
And I would like to note that my latest issue of
Chess Life magazine had a few annotated games,
which I foolishly decided to look over. As usual, the
annotations were nonsense, and in addition I found
that the play of the winner of a recent big-money
event was strikingly similar to that of a computer.
Now, in the old days, I heard stories of folks who
had snuck off to their hotel rooms during play, and
looked up the best opening moves in ECO and
went back and played them. Such players could
also of course consult with friends who were not
at the board during play, and indeed it was the
common practice to travel to such distant events
(certainly not in Indiana) with a group of friends.
What struck me was the names of these
cheaters-- folks I would have thought to be above
that sort of thing.
Back to Chess Life... after seeing the near-perfect
match of this famous chap's play with what my
computer was thinking, I was left wondering who
/really/ won that event-- Rybka? Fritz perhaps?
Or is it possible that in spite of overwhelming odds,
all those perfect matches were merely coincidence?
Logic would seem to dictate that if this guy could
play exactly like Rybka, he would as a matter of
course be a top-level grandmaster... yet he wasn't.
In any event, Zebediah is no giant-killer. He may
well be a Taylor Kingston type, equipped with Fritz
but allowing his ego to degrade Fritz's play by
interjecting his own moves, here and there. Or he
could be almost anyone, operating a weaker chess
engine. Rybka would stomp Zeb. The reason he
is beating GetClub like carrots is obvious-- GC is
perhaps around the Class A level, so no matter
which commercial program Zeb might use, he has
a huge advantage.
-- help bot
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Date: 05 Nov 2008 08:52:37
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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> =A0 Well, I can't help bot remind people of just how
> silly some predictions can look in retrospect.
> =A0 Remember the pundits who insisted that
> computers would never be better than a master,
> then an IM, then a GM, then a real GM, then a
> WC, and finally, a WC at slow time controls?
Now Master level at GetClub is sitting lonely as no one is able to
beat it. Only Zebediah using his super computer can beat it.
Play with Master: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Try a few games with Beginner & Easy and see how good they have
become.
I remember your game with Fritz giving it extra knight. Do you
remember those games?
Can Fritz still beat the Easy & Normal Levels without Knight?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 05 Nov 2008 06:26:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 4, 1:11=A0pm, [email protected] (SAT W-7) wrote:
> I belive that will happen .
Now that Obama has won, I suppose we can expect McCain supporters to
riot?
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Date: 05 Nov 2008 03:20:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: If Obama loses , Riots will happen , you watch .
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On Nov 4, 1:11=A0pm, [email protected] (SAT W-7) wrote:
> I belive that will happen .
I think that if Mr. McCain wins, Bobby Fischer will
rise from the dead and defeat all the world's top
players in a Rook-odds simul, with only Mr.
Kasparov putting up any significant resistance.
Then Sara Palin will discover the world's largest
oil field just off the coast of Alaska and the price of
gasoline will fall to 20 cents per gallon. That's only
if Mr. McCain wins, of course.
If Mr. Obama wins, I think the folks at Fox News
will pull their hair out-- both sides of their heads, of
course... fair and balanced. Then the stock market
will plummet... oh wait-- it already did that. All
that's left then is some sort of recovery. I read
somewhere about a $700 Billion bailout package,
and I can't wait to get my portion in the mail (if it
will even fit in my smallish mailbox). Note to Mr.
Bush, who will be leaving office soon: who needs
a job, with that kind of free money floating about!
Just keep the printing presses rolling and we can
all retire, or at worst, work for the post office
delivering the free money to everyone.
Well, I can't help bot remind people of just how
silly some predictions can look in retrospect.
Remember the pundits who insisted that
computers would never be better than a master,
then an IM, then a GM, then a real GM, then a
WC, and finally, a WC at slow time controls?
Or how about those guys who wrote that some
endings simply cannot be won, then tablebases
showed they had made a beginner's blunder in
their whole approach? In short, it just doesn't
pay to make predictions in advance.
-- help bot
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