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Date: 23 Jan 2008 07:39:49
From: Sanny
Subject: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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6 Months back many people used to beat the Master Level. Now after the
game improvement everyone is playing with Beginner Level. No one it
strong enough to challenge Master Level.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
People who have beaten Master Level previously are
1. Help Bot
2. Taylor Kingston
3. Bob
4. Zebediah
5. Stinky Garlnoot
6. Bonsai
7. Fritz8
8. Chess_Freak
9. chrisf
10. bjoern
11 richerby
12. Bobby Pfuscher
13. likesforests
14. davidr
15. PatM
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Is there any one of the above who can still beat the Master Level?
Before playing with Master Level first play with Beginner Level incase
you win the game then only proceed to Master Level. As Master Level
will take 5-10 min/Move and the game will finish in 2-3 days.
Last two days everyone is playing with only Beginner Level. No one is
playing with higher levels. Should I stop improving the Chess game
Further as it is able to beat each one of you?
Is there any contender strong enough to beat the Master Level? Or All
players in the world Bow before the Master Level?
GetClub game is made only for Human Players, But still for cruiosity I
ask again can Fritz-8 beat Master Level? What do Taylor Kingston say.
I remember Taylor Kingston said once to me: "Master Level will never
be able to beat me." Can he say the same statement Today. Or he is
afraid to face the Master Level? Can a GM beat Master Level?
Should I further improve the GetClub chess or it is enough to beat all
people in this rgcm.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 24 Jan 2008 10:14:23
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 24, 10:19 am, [email protected] wrote:
> The real question would be ....
>
> Is there anyone in the world willing to waste
> their time with a program that takes 2-3 days
> to play an adequate (I am being generous)
> game of chess
No, you're being ignorant. The GetClub
program *used to be* the way you describe,
but now it is much tougher; you would know
that if you bothered to do the research; just
playing the fastest levels tells the tale. In the
old days, it was nearly impossible to lose,
but now, even though there are some glaring
weaknesses, the program is better than most
humans at tactics.
Are tactics enough to make for a decent
game of chess, you might ask? As some
famous bank robber is reputed to have said
when asked why he robbed banks, "because
*that's* where the money is!" Yes, tactics
are where the game is most often decided.
> while paying a per-game fee
> when they could just download Crafty or
> any number of other programs for free that
> play stroner then GC ever will, have a far
> better interface, etc..... or surf on over to
> FICS (www.freechess.org) which offers a
> slew of better interfaces as well as both
> Human-Human and Human-Computer
> games at no charge)
Hey, those commercial chess programs
will beat the tar out of most humans, so they
need to be dumbed-down. For years, I've
seen complaints about how they aren't
dumbed-down properly, etc.
And nobody I know of has paid anything.
You get 30 games for free, and if you play
decent chess you will invariably earn more
"free" games each month. So the question
is, do you want to play other humans, or
would you like a shot at "surviving" against
a beatable computer with almost no
openings book? There is a huge difference
in style of play here, so maybe you should
try both before leaping to any conclusions.
Rob the gas stations and the convenience
stores, then try a bank. Er, I mean then
try GetClub, and then come back and tell
everyone that as a grandmaster, you find
it to be no challenge whatever. That way,
all the other GMs reading here will be
forewarned... . ; >D
-- help bot
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Date: 24 Jan 2008 07:19:37
From:
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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The real question would be ....
Is there anyone in the world willing to waste
their time with a program that takes 2-3 days
to play an adequate (I am being generous)
game of chess while paying a per-game fee
when they could just download Crafty or
any number of other programs for free that
play stroner then GC ever will, have a far
better interface, etc..... or surf on over to
FICS (www.freechess.org) which offers a
slew of better interfaces as well as both
Human-Human and Human-Computer
games at no charge)
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 21:37:51
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 24, 2:49=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jan 23, 1:01 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > =A0 Hey-- I tried to warn you about Taylor
> > > Kingston, and his "protectionist" policy. =A0:>D
>
> > Yes these days he is very HOT. I think he is busy with some typical
> > work. [Hard Work]
>
> =A0 Yes, he has been very busy with his, um, work. =A0LOL!
>
> =A0 I just played the Easy level, and in a complex middle
> game I moved a piece en prise (where it can simply be
> captured for free). =A0Told you I am still half-blind!
>
> =A0 But even half-blind, I am beating the Beginner level
> rather consistently-- hahahah!
>
> =A0 -- help bot
Good luck next time.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 13:49:57
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 23, 1:01 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Hey-- I tried to warn you about Taylor
> > Kingston, and his "protectionist" policy. :>D
>
> Yes these days he is very HOT. I think he is busy with some typical
> work. [Hard Work]
Yes, he has been very busy with his, um, work. LOL!
I just played the Easy level, and in a complex middle
game I moved a piece en prise (where it can simply be
captured for free). Told you I am still half-blind!
But even half-blind, I am beating the Beginner level
rather consistently-- hahahah!
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 10:01:02
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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> > Yes, Zebediah, Where has he gone? He has not played any game
> > recently.
>
> =A0 I don't know, but it is possible he has to cut
> back because he did not win the $5 prize, and
> has fewer "free" games as a result.
He has played 191/427 Games. So he can still play 236 games for free.
May be he is out of Town.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> > Why you think Top Level is weakest of all even though its depth is
> > higher?
>
> =A0 I think the Advance level is the strongest,
> then Master, and so on down the line. =A0But
> going by their ratings, it is better to play the
> Beginner level and win, than to play the
> Advance level and (one day) lose or draw.
Game with Beginner can be completed in 10-15 minute.
With recent improvements Beginner Level you can win 6 / 10 Games.
Game with Easy can be completed in 40-60 minute.
Easy Level you can win 4 / 10 Games.
Game with Normal can be completed in 3-4 hours.
Normal Level you can win 2 / 10 Games.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Game with Master can be completed in 12-20 hours.
Master Level you can win 1 / 10 Games.
Game with Advance can be completed in 3-4 days.
Advance Level you maywin 1 / 20 Games.
So best Option you should have is to play with Normal Level
Game with Normal can be completed in 3-4 hours.
Normal Level you can win 2 / 10 Games.
So you will win 1 out of 5 games with Normal Level.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Advance & Master are sure LOST GAMES. only 1/10 or 1/20 chances of
your winning them.
> =A0 Hey-- I tried to warn you about Taylor
> Kingston, and his "protectionist" policy. =A0:>D
>
Yes these days he is very HOT. I think he is busy with some typical
work. [Hard Work]
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 09:35:09
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 23, 11:48 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Yes, Zebediah, Where has he gone? He has not played any game
> recently.
I don't know, but it is possible he has to cut
back because he did not win the $5 prize, and
has fewer "free" games as a result.
> > the weakest one of all, so hey, why not play it and
> > avoid the agony of waiting for the program to move?
>
> Why you think Top Level is weakest of all even though its depth is
> higher?
I think the Advance level is the strongest,
then Master, and so on down the line. But
going by their ratings, it is better to play the
Beginner level and win, than to play the
Advance level and (one day) lose or draw.
If I could be certain of a normal finish, I
would have played the Advance level more
often. But with my wireless connection and
a lot of disconnects when the program was
making its move, which required restarting
the game from the previous position and
waiting hours to get back to another likely
disconnect, it simply wasn't worth it to me.
I did play quite a few games like that when
Rob "da-robber" Mitchell invited me to play
at ChessWorld. Amazingly, not one of my
opponents made use of a chess computer
to crush me, and I ended up with a good
score. Those games were agonizingly slow,
at something like three days per move.
Hey-- I tried to warn you about Taylor
Kingston, and his "protectionist" policy. : >D
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 08:48:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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> =A0 Sanny, I am still half-blind due to an eye infection
> and this is why I don't feel up to tackling any of the
> higher levels. =A0But rest assured that the player
Still you played quite well. I saw you were able to beat Beginner
Level though I was expecting you will loose them. Taday again an
improvement was done So now you will not be able to win easily.
> =A0 The real reason people seem to be avoiding the
> top levels these days? =A0It's probably because they
> can get a fairly decent game at the lower levels, so
> why suffer through all that waiting for the program
> to move? =A0The reward for defeating the Master level
> is an even smaller rating-point gain, due to it being
> ridiculously beaten-down by Zebediah and his chess
> program. As far as I can tell, the top-rated level is
Yes, Zebediah, Where has he gone? He has not played any game
recently.
> the weakest one of all, so hey, why not play it and
> avoid the agony of waiting for the program to move?
Why you think Top Level is weakest of all even though its depth is
higher?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 08:36:31
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 23, 9:16=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 Sanny, I have absolutely no interest in wasting any more of my
> precious time with your failed dead-end of a program. I will thank you
> to quit referring to me in any further posts about it.
I know you played GetClub program 6 months back when it was 100 times
slower and played weak moves. Now the things have changed.
I never want to waste any of your time. I referred you because you
were the first player who used to play with Master Level.
I remember only you had the patience to wait 2 hours for each move.
But today Master level plays in 5-10 min/Move.
You played 50 Games taking 1-2 hour per move. That time it was very
weak. But now the things have changed.
Earlier you had so much time What happened that you are so busy these
days. Have you left Chess. Its good if you are working in some other
area and do not want to devote much of your time in Chess.
Try when you are free on your week ends and you will be surprised to
see how good it plays. If not ask Help Bot he is having difficulty in
beating Beginner Level also. May be Help Bot is very weak player than
you. But someone told his Rating is 2000+
Only play when you have enough time.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 08:34:05
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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Sanny wrote:
> 6 Months back many people used to beat the Master Level. Now after the
> game improvement everyone is playing with Beginner Level. No one it
> strong enough to challenge Master Level.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> People who have beaten Master Level previously are
>
> 1. Help Bot
> 2. Taylor Kingston
> 3. Bob
> 4. Zebediah
> 5. Stinky Garlnoot
> 6. Bonsai
> 7. Fritz8
> 8. Chess_Freak
> 9. chrisf
> 10. bjoern
> 11 richerby
> 12. Bobby Pfuscher
> 13. likesforests
> 14. davidr
> 15. PatM
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Is there any one of the above who can still beat the Master Level?
Sanny, I am still half-blind due to an eye infection
and this is why I don't feel up to tackling any of the
higher levels. But rest assured that the player
listed above as "Fritz8" can still easily defeat
your program on any level, if you can find someone
who is willing to be the operator (I don't have version
8, but I do have the free version, 5.32, which is far
stronger than GetClub).
The real reason people seem to be avoiding the
top levels these days? It's probably because they
can get a fairly decent game at the lower levels, so
why suffer through all that waiting for the program
to move? The reward for defeating the Master level
is an even smaller rating-point gain, due to it being
ridiculously beaten-down by Zebediah and his chess
program. As far as I can tell, the top-rated level is
the weakest one of all, so hey, why not play it and
avoid the agony of waiting for the program to move?
-- help bot
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 16:32:33
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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In rec.games.chess.computer Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> As Master Level
> will take 5-10 min/Move and the game will finish in 2-3 days.
>
Maybe THAT is why nobody plays it. May as well play correspondence chess.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Wishing without work is like fishing without bait.
-- Frank Tyger
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 08:23:02
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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On Jan 23, 9:16=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 Sanny, I have absolutely no interest in wasting any more of my
> precious time with your failed dead-end of a program. I will thank you
> to quit referring to me in any further posts about it.
>
> On Jan 23, 10:39=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 6 Months back many people used to beat the Master Level. Now after the
> > game improvement everyone is playing with Beginner Level. No one it
> > strong enough to challenge Master Level.
>
> > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > People who have beaten Master Level previously are
>
> > 1. Help Bot
> > 2. Taylor Kingston
> > 3. Bob
> > 4. Zebediah
> > 5. Stinky Garlnoot
> > 6. Bonsai
> > 7. Fritz8
> > 8. Chess_Freak
> > 9. chrisf
> > 10. bjoern
> > 11 richerby
> > 12. Bobby Pfuscher
> > 13. likesforests
> > 14. davidr
> > 15. PatM
>
> > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > Is there any one of the above who can still beat the Master Level?
> > Before playing with Master Level first play with Beginner Level incase
> > you win the game then only proceed to Master Level. As Master Level
> > will take 5-10 min/Move and the game will finish in 2-3 days.
>
> > Last two days everyone is playing with only Beginner Level. No one is
> > playing with higher levels. Should I stop improving the Chess game
> > Further as it is able to beat each one of you?
>
> > Is there any contender strong enough to beat the Master Level? Or All
> > players in the world Bow before the Master Level?
>
> > GetClub game is made only for Human Players, But still for cruiosity I
> > ask again can Fritz-8 beat Master Level? What do Taylor Kingston say.
>
> > I remember Taylor Kingston said once to me: "Master Level will never
> > be able to beat me." Can he say the same statement Today. Or he is
> > afraid to face the Master Level? Can a GM beat Master Level?
>
> > Should I further improve the GetClub chess or it is enough to beat all
> > people in this rgcm.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok try when you have free time.
Is there any other player as good as Taylor Kingston who can beat the
Master Level? Or the River is crossed?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 23 Jan 2008 08:16:55
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Is there any one in world who can beat the Master Level?
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Sanny, I have absolutely no interest in wasting any more of my
precious time with your failed dead-end of a program. I will thank you
to quit referring to me in any further posts about it.
On Jan 23, 10:39=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> 6 Months back many people used to beat the Master Level. Now after the
> game improvement everyone is playing with Beginner Level. No one it
> strong enough to challenge Master Level.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> People who have beaten Master Level previously are
>
> 1. Help Bot
> 2. Taylor Kingston
> 3. Bob
> 4. Zebediah
> 5. Stinky Garlnoot
> 6. Bonsai
> 7. Fritz8
> 8. Chess_Freak
> 9. chrisf
> 10. bjoern
> 11 richerby
> 12. Bobby Pfuscher
> 13. likesforests
> 14. davidr
> 15. PatM
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Is there any one of the above who can still beat the Master Level?
> Before playing with Master Level first play with Beginner Level incase
> you win the game then only proceed to Master Level. As Master Level
> will take 5-10 min/Move and the game will finish in 2-3 days.
>
> Last two days everyone is playing with only Beginner Level. No one is
> playing with higher levels. Should I stop improving the Chess game
> Further as it is able to beat each one of you?
>
> Is there any contender strong enough to beat the Master Level? Or All
> players in the world Bow before the Master Level?
>
> GetClub game is made only for Human Players, But still for cruiosity I
> ask again can Fritz-8 beat Master Level? What do Taylor Kingston say.
>
> I remember Taylor Kingston said once to me: "Master Level will never
> be able to beat me." Can he say the same statement Today. Or he is
> afraid to face the Master Level? Can a GM beat Master Level?
>
> Should I further improve the GetClub chess or it is enough to beat all
> people in this rgcm.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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