Main Date: 25 Jun 2008 05:19:02 From: samsloan Subject: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar The following Press Release has been received from the Mottershead Chess Foundation: I am pleased to announce a 10.5 million Dollar contribution to chess by the Mottershead Chess Foundation. The contribution will take the form of subscriptions for 2000 USCF-rated players to a top chess web- site, which I am going to start in the next year or two. This web site is going to be great! It will be inspiring, educational, and funny. Everybody is going to love it! The subscriptions have been valued at $250 per year by a leading chess web-site subscription evaluator (me), and we are glad to be able to underwrite this wonderful new program for supporting chess for the next twenty-one years. Due to the fact that all the good domain names are taken, the site will have a somewhat long domain name; "you-cant-fool-chess-but-chess- can-fool-you.com".   Date: 03 Jul 2008 08:56:21 From: Vance Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me On Jun 29, 4:14=A0pm, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote: > In article > <a570cc95-84ee-4367-bdb4-d71d8d909...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, > > =A0Vance <[email protected]> wrote: > > if > > you like coffee, I'd be up for getting together. =A0Sam if you come up > > to San Francisco. > > Sure. That would make it much easier to conspire than having to leave > coded messages on newsgroups. Yep. It's much easier to conspire in person and coffee provides that intellectual stimulus needed for good planning. Besides, the decoder rings we are using to further the conspiracy leaves that tacky green ring on the skin.   Date: 02 Jul 2008 14:24:18 From: help bot Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jul 2, 4:20 am, nobody <[email protected] > wrote: > > > > Yes Neil, & paradoxically it would likely be his detractors who'd fret & > > > > suffer the greatest sense of loss were he to make good on his threat. > > > > Innes, for all his froth & blunder & moral certitude is well regarded > > > > here by many on rgc*.. > > Did ya ever notice how all these "survey results" > > never have a link to the actual data, how they all > > seem to pop up from out of thin air-- thin, billowy > > smoky air, without real substance? > Nah, can't say I have helpnot. What exact survey did you have in mind? The "many here on rgc" in the paragraph preceding my comment. Do you often have this sort of trouble following along? > > I fondly recall > > the days when Nick Bourbaki used to recite such > > "surveys" in support of his every whim, on any > > and every subject under the sun. > Ah, yes. Dear old Nick (I hear he's Mugabe's Who is Mugabe? And is he imaginary, or real? > right hand man these days) > but wasn't his refrain more along the lines of _distinguished academics, > historians of impeccable repute & vip's in general_ are all in universal > agreement with me on this? "On this"? No, he never said anything like that. It was Mr. Bourbaki's decided habit to maintain that everyone of any importance whatever always agreed with him *on everything* -- quite a different matter I would say, as it reveals a serious mental illness (or an obvious poser). > > Alas, when > > asked why he could not provide links to the > > sources of his "surveys", the poor chap always > > went mum. > As I recall - yawn, he used to fill reams & reams of computer-paper > getting his point across - yawn. Maybe he was just ignoring the stupids > which sometimes is'nt a bad idea.. True enough, he did seem to ignore posters like PI, but he got into dreadful disputes with folks like LP. Come to think of it, LP often gets into disputes over wars long past; he can't seem to get past the trauma of it all. > > An objective look at the posters here in rgc > > (which of course excludes lurkers of all kinds) > Ah! but lurkers are the audience & include all manner of important > people - street-sweepers, the homeless, Nick Bourbaki & so on. How many > rgc lurkers would you estimate (not survey) are out there bot 10.000 - > 12.000?.. I have no clue, apart from random numbers of "hits" reported by Google-- but those aren't necessarily newsgroup readers, for merely "googleing" some word (like say, chess) can register as a "hit". > > would reveal that nearly-IMnes has perhaps > > three supporters in total: Rob Mitchell, who > > adores him from afar, Larry Parr, who employs > > him as his toad-eater, and of course, his most > > loyal fan of all: himself. ( I think I am being > > quite generous to include PI here, beefing up > > the total by a full 50%. Let's just say I'm a > > nice guy.) > Not today you're not & anyway you forgot that nice David Richerby.. I did? Are you suggesting that DR is an ardent supporter of Dr. IMnes? Why didn't I get the memo? There should have been a memo-- how else are we to know? > > I think it's fair to say that, far from fretting > > and suffering the loss of our nearly-an-IM > > were he to disappear into the ether, many > > of his critics would be "freed" to discuss > > chess in a more rational manner. They > > would be so freed by the fact that all the > > time now wasted on Sir IMnes could, and > > likely would, be re-directed to other things. > Well perhaps & of course nobody is indispensable but I fear just sitting > around & discussing chess in a rational fashion could become a trifle > boring & it seems to me also that much of the aggro in this group has > little or nothing to do with chess per se but much to do with, em, how > shall I put this - literary acumen & it's attendant jealousies - yeah, > that should do.. Don't forget that we would still have posters like Sam Sloan and Larry Parr to keep the irrational talk going. Personally, I don't think PI smart enough to even realize he is deficient in those areas you mention; he's not capable of ascertaining his inferior status, which might lead to some feelings of jealousy on his part. > > Mr. Parr could easily employ some other > > toad-eater, and as for Mr. Mitchell-- he > > would have more time for chess lessons > > (which he desperately needs). No, I think > > that fellow was definitely wrong: it looks > > like a win/win situation to me. That about sums it up. -- help bot   Date: 02 Jul 2008 18:20:03 From: nobody Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP help bot wrote: > > On Jul 1, 11:30 pm, The Historian <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. > > > > Yes Neil, & paradoxically it would likely be his detractors who'd fret & > > > suffer the greatest sense of loss were he to make good on his threat. > > > Innes, for all his froth & blunder & moral certitude is well regarded > > > here by many on rgc*.. > > Did ya ever notice how all these "survey results" > never have a link to the actual data, how they all > seem to pop up from out of thin air-- thin, billowy > smoky air, without real substance? Nah, can't say I have helpnot. What exact survey did you have in mind? I wasn't aware any survey had taken place. Are you yourself engaged in some sort of survey here? It's a bit like statistics really, not the most accurate & open to interpretation. I mean, if you must have perfection you can always go & play with your 'rybka' toy.. > I fondly recall > the days when Nick Bourbaki used to recite such > "surveys" in support of his every whim, on any > and every subject under the sun. Ah, yes. Dear old Nick (I hear he's Mugabe's right hand man these days) but wasn't his refrain more along the lines of _distinguished academics, historians of impeccable repute & vip's in general_ are all in universal agreement with me on this? That's something but I wouldn't call it a survey.. > Alas, when > asked why he could not provide links to the > sources of his "surveys", the poor chap always > went mum. As I recall - yawn, he used to fill reams & reams of computer-paper getting his point across - yawn. Maybe he was just ignoring the stupids which sometimes is'nt a bad idea.. > It seems as though some folks are > desperate to create an illusion of support, and > in their quests, they resort to fabrications such > as these ethereal "surveys" of public opinion. There's that ugly 'survey' word again bot. You really do seem to have it on the mind today - was it something you ate?.. > An objective look at the posters here in rgc > (which of course excludes lurkers of all kinds) Ah! but lurkers are the audience & include all manner of important people - street-sweepers, the homeless, Nick Bourbaki & so on. How many rgc lurkers would you estimate (not survey) are out there bot 10.000 - 12.000?.. > would reveal that nearly-IMnes has perhaps > three supporters in total: Rob Mitchell, who > adores him from afar, Larry Parr, who employs > him as his toad-eater, and of course, his most > loyal fan of all: himself. ( I think I am being > quite generous to include PI here, beefing up > the total by a full 50%. Let's just say I'm a > nice guy.) Not today you're not & anyway you forgot that nice David Richerby.. > Perhaps there are a few who may confound > nearly-IMnes' blather for genuine "promotion" > of chess. Dullards who might have failed to > notice clues such as his inveterate hypocrisy, > his inability to "deal with" any opinions which > do not match his own (stolen ones). But for > this there can be no excuse. Witness the > fact that Dr. IMnes has apologized for the > lies on the SP Web site by re-characterizing > those lies as what he terms "hyperbole"; in > short, he has no standards; there is no level > below which he will not stoop, as we have > clearly seen. Anyone for conkers? - perfidious albion & all that.. > Even his closest "supporters" > can say nothing in his defense, choosing > instead to observe "radio silence" on such > embarrassing issues. Rather a silent radio than Gilbert & Sullivan is what I say!.. > I think it's fair to say that, far from fretting > and suffering the loss of our nearly-an-IM > were he to disappear into the ether, many > of his critics would be "freed" to discuss > chess in a more rational manner. They > would be so freed by the fact that all the > time now wasted on Sir IMnes could, and > likely would, be re-directed to other things. Well perhaps & of course nobody is indispensable but I fear just sitting around & discussing chess in a rational fashion could become a trifle boring & it seems to me also that much of the aggro in this group has little or nothing to do with chess per se but much to do with, em, how shall I put this - literary acumen & it's attendant jealousies - yeah, that should do.. nobody. > Mr. Parr could easily employ some other > toad-eater, and as for Mr. Mitchell-- he > would have more time for chess lessons > (which he desperately needs). No, I think > that fellow was definitely wrong: it looks > like a win/win situation to me. > > -- help bot   Date: 01 Jul 2008 21:31:42 From: help bot Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jul 1, 11:30 pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > > > And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. > > Yes Neil, & paradoxically it would likely be his detractors who'd fret & > > suffer the greatest sense of loss were he to make good on his threat. > > Innes, for all his froth & blunder & moral certitude is well regarded > > here by many on rgc*.. Did ya ever notice how all these "survey results" never have a link to the actual data, how they all seem to pop up from out of thin air-- thin, billowy smoky air, without real substance? I fondly recall the days when Nick Bourbaki used to recite such "surveys" in support of his every whim, on any and every subject under the sun. Alas, when asked why he could not provide links to the sources of his "surveys", the poor chap always went mum. It seems as though some folks are desperate to create an illusion of support, and in their quests, they resort to fabrications such as these ethereal "surveys" of public opinion. An objective look at the posters here in rgc (which of course excludes lurkers of all kinds) would reveal that nearly-IMnes has perhaps three supporters in total: Rob Mitchell, who adores him from afar, Larry Parr, who employs him as his toad-eater, and of course, his most loyal fan of all: himself. ( I think I am being quite generous to include PI here, beefing up the total by a full 50%. Let's just say I'm a nice guy.) Perhaps there are a few who may confound nearly-IMnes' blather for genuine "promotion" of chess. Dullards who might have failed to notice clues such as his inveterate hypocrisy, his inability to "deal with" any opinions which do not match his own (stolen ones). But for this there can be no excuse. Witness the fact that Dr. IMnes has apologized for the lies on the SP Web site by re-characterizing those lies as what he terms "hyperbole"; in short, he has no standards; there is no level below which he will not stoop, as we have clearly seen. Even his closest "supporters" can say nothing in his defense, choosing instead to observe "radio silence" on such embarrassing issues. I think it's fair to say that, far from fretting and suffering the loss of our nearly-an-IM were he to disappear into the ether, many of his critics would be "freed" to discuss chess in a more rational manner. They would be so freed by the fact that all the time now wasted on Sir IMnes could, and likely would, be re-directed to other things. Mr. Parr could easily employ some other toad-eater, and as for Mr. Mitchell-- he would have more time for chess lessons (which he desperately needs). No, I think that fellow was definitely wrong: it looks like a win/win situation to me. -- help bot   Date: 01 Jul 2008 20:30:43 From: The Historian Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 30, 11:36 pm, nobody <[email protected] > wrote: > The Historian wrote: > > . > > > On June 28, at 2:39 PM, "Chess One" wrote: > > > "So... so long...." > > > And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. > > Yes Neil, & paradoxically it would likely be his detractors who'd fret & > suffer the greatest sense of loss were he to make good on his threat. > Innes, for all his froth & blunder & moral certitude is well regarded > here by many on rgc*.. The group seemed to get along well without him on previous 'departures.' I certainly didn't miss him.   Date: 30 Jun 2008 23:49:02 From: help bot Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 30, 6:01 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > Here is another nutty rant by Phil Innes. He writes, among other > things: > > "I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are > nothing I need, and while this person would never have the balls to > say so to my face, here he rules a little group of like minded woman- > haters, and will voluntarily mention people's wives," > > Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever > mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes. I suspect that > Innes has a "wife" and "family" in much the same was that Ray Gordon > has a bevy of hot women lusting after his body. In that respect, Flash (Gordon) seems to have the better imagination. I would much rather imagine "a bevy of hot women lusting after my body" than a plain old wife (who may or may not, depending; probably not, now that I think about it; it is obvious that my imaginary wife would desire, not me, but my money! I demand a divorce). Were it not for the fact that nearly-an-IM Innes is crazy, we might believe such a story and feel some sort of sympathy; but as it is, the fact that the lunatic continues to pollute rgc with his um, "contributions", reveals that his predicament is not what he claims; after all, he could easily just go away, but he seems to like it here! It reminds me of Skip Repa-- even the bursts of slobbering and violent cursing. Maybe the FBI will "protect" Sir IMnes' imaginary family from all those folks who are out to get him? Or maybe his 2450 rating and FIDE title will scare them off? Maybe the "Andeans" will save him. Or, what if the aliens who left him here on Earth come back and pick him up? You know, the ones in the white coats. -- help bot (Yes, Dear. I'm turning the computer off right now. In a minute, Honey. No, you don't look fat.)   Date: 01 Jul 2008 14:36:16 From: nobody Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP The Historian wrote: . > On June 28, at 2:39 PM, "Chess One" wrote: > > "So... so long...." > > And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. Yes Neil, & paradoxically it would likely be his detractors who'd fret & suffer the greatest sense of loss were he to make good on his threat. Innes, for all his froth & blunder & moral certitude is well regarded here by many on rgc*..   Date: 30 Jun 2008 05:55:18 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 30, 4:45 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > If you go back tohttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/msg/faba1edac... > > you will see a series of postings by Phil Innes from January-February, > 2003 where he complains about to threats by posters to the "women" of > his "family". One of them is this: > > "The gentleman of whom you spoke posted my home phone number directly > to this newsgroup in response to the vilest poster I have ever > encountered - who then repeated it ad nauseum with various threats and > comments to the women of my family." > > Of course, none of this was true. Nobody posted the home phone number > of Phil Innes and even if he did there would have been nothing wrong > with that since the number of Innes in Vermont was listed with > switchboard.com . Also nobody threatened the women in his family if > indeed there are any. > > After a series of these threatening remarks by Phil Innes, he dropped > out of this group for several months. It has been suggested that > somebody here complained to his ISP and accordingly his ISP banned him > from posting. > > Sam Sloan I received correspondence from a person with sover.net, P Innes' ISP, that they were going to speak to their "client" about P Innes' newsgroup postings. In particular, it was a posting which challenged Mike Nolan to post his address. There was something about the headers of the post that violated the ISP's terms of service. I cannot say for sure that P Innes' ISP forced him to withdraw from the newsgroups, but perhaps P Innes thought it prudent to do so voluntarily.   Date: 30 Jun 2008 03:07:26 From: samsloan Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 30, 6:01 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 3:39 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >news:e44b21b9-cde4-4cb5-97e0-fd103699c346@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> Sam Sloan > > > >> > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > >> That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself > > >> as > > >> a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. > > > >> Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me > > >> and > > >> family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social > > >> standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it > > >> is > > >> his only means to gain celebrity. > > > >> Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when > > > >> wowa! > > > >> the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. > > > > Actually, he followed the posts of P Innes. That seemed to be the > > > point, wasn't it? > > > >> That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and > > >> they > > >> are happy to have him ;( > > > >> All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and > > >> Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private > > >> stuff! > > > >> Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then > > >> imagine > > >> the same happening to them and who they love. > > > >> At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] > > >> to > > >> protect my family. > > > > After another four months of threatening folks here in the newsgroup, > > > and complaints to his ISP sover.net, that is. P Innes 'withdrew' > > > The results of what //Brennen// wrote to my ISP about my resentment to the > > person who followed his own posts - only his posts - was the reason for my > > withdrawal. > > > I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are nothing I > > need, and while this person would never have the balls to say so to my face, > > here he rules a little group of like minded woman-haters, and will > > voluntarily mention people's wives, ably supported by the Sloan and his own > > disgusting coterie of enthusiasts for 'freedom!, and God knows who else has > > chipped in with their comments on how ignorable a little fascism is these > > days. > > > So...so long, and if you can, mention some chess now and again. More now > > than again. That is the best antedote. I will take this issue elsewhere > > since I say again, this is the public stance some people make, not the whole > > story. And I think, in time, the wheels grind fine. > > > In the meatime I must resent such affronts to my family by not seeming to > > discourse with shite who don't care what they say. > > > Phil Innes > > > > pretty quickly once sover.net informed me they were going to speak to > > > their 'client' about his newsgroup posting practices. In particular, > > > something about the way P Innes altered his newsgroup headers violated > > > their terms of service. > > > > Do a search under P Innes' old posting address, and you will see he > > > was off the newsgroups from February to October 2003. > > > >> Some sad people here think this is very funny, celebrate it, but they > > >> only > > >> 'think' so at a distance, like Sloan does, otherwise can you imagine such > > >> people saying such things about your woman to your face? > > > >> You want vile? These people will give it to you. > > > >> Phil Innes > > > >> > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > >> > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > >> > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > >> > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > >> > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > >> > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > >> > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > >> > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > >> > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > >> > briefcase.) > > > >> > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > >> > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > >> > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > >> > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > >> > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > >> > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > >> > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > >> > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > >> > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > >> > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > >> > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > >> > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > >> > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > >> > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > >> > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > >> > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. > > Here is another nutty rant by Phil Innes. He writes, among other > things: > > "I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are > nothing I need, and while this person would never have the balls to > say so to my face, here he rules a little group of like minded woman- > haters, and will voluntarily mention people's wives," > > Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever > mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes. I suspect that > Innes has a "wife" and "family" in much the same was that Ray Gordon > has a bevy of hot women lusting after his body. > > Sam Sloan Try this one again: Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes. I suspect that Innes has a "wife" and "family" in much the same way that Ray Gordon has a bevy of hot women lusting after his body. Sam Sloan   Date: 30 Jun 2008 03:01:49 From: samsloan Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 28, 3:39 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:e44b21b9-cde4-4cb5-97e0-fd103699c346@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> >> Sam Sloan > > >> > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > >> That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself > >> as > >> a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. > > >> Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me > >> and > >> family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social > >> standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it > >> is > >> his only means to gain celebrity. > > >> Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when > > >> wowa! > > >> the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. > > > Actually, he followed the posts of P Innes. That seemed to be the > > point, wasn't it? > > >> That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and > >> they > >> are happy to have him ;( > > >> All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and > >> Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private > >> stuff! > > >> Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then > >> imagine > >> the same happening to them and who they love. > > >> At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] > >> to > >> protect my family. > > > After another four months of threatening folks here in the newsgroup, > > and complaints to his ISP sover.net, that is. P Innes 'withdrew' > > The results of what //Brennen// wrote to my ISP about my resentment to the > person who followed his own posts - only his posts - was the reason for my > withdrawal. > > I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are nothing I > need, and while this person would never have the balls to say so to my face, > here he rules a little group of like minded woman-haters, and will > voluntarily mention people's wives, ably supported by the Sloan and his own > disgusting coterie of enthusiasts for 'freedom!, and God knows who else has > chipped in with their comments on how ignorable a little fascism is these > days. > > So...so long, and if you can, mention some chess now and again. More now > than again. That is the best antedote. I will take this issue elsewhere > since I say again, this is the public stance some people make, not the whole > story. And I think, in time, the wheels grind fine. > > In the meatime I must resent such affronts to my family by not seeming to > discourse with shite who don't care what they say. > > Phil Innes > > > pretty quickly once sover.net informed me they were going to speak to > > their 'client' about his newsgroup posting practices. In particular, > > something about the way P Innes altered his newsgroup headers violated > > their terms of service. > > > Do a search under P Innes' old posting address, and you will see he > > was off the newsgroups from February to October 2003. > > >> Some sad people here think this is very funny, celebrate it, but they > >> only > >> 'think' so at a distance, like Sloan does, otherwise can you imagine such > >> people saying such things about your woman to your face? > > >> You want vile? These people will give it to you. > > >> Phil Innes > > >> > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > >> > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > >> > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > >> > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > >> > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > >> > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > >> > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > >> > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > >> > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > >> > briefcase.) > > >> > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > >> > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > >> > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > >> > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > >> > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > >> > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > >> > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > >> > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > >> > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > >> > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > >> > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > >> > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > >> > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > >> > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > >> > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > >> > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. Here is another nutty rant by Phil Innes. He writes, among other things: "I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are nothing I need, and while this person would never have the balls to say so to my face, here he rules a little group of like minded woman- haters, and will voluntarily mention people's wives," Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes. I suspect that Innes has a "wife" and "family" in much the same was that Ray Gordon has a bevy of hot women lusting after his body. Sam Sloan     Date: 30 Jun 2008 09:20:03 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:012aaa18-68c7-4674-b52c-55760137f3c1@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > Here is another nutty rant by Phil Innes. He writes, among other > things: > > "I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are > nothing I need, and while this person would never have the balls to > say so to my face, here he rules a little group of like minded woman- > haters, and will voluntarily mention people's wives," > > Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever > mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes. I suspect that > Innes has a "wife" and "family" in much the same was that Ray Gordon > has a bevy of hot women lusting after his body. > > Sam Sloan Another indecently sexual 'suspicion' from Sam McCarthy Sloan, which in its own terms would refute 'vile speculations' while actually demonstrating what they are! --- Elsewhere I address someone who does care for decent public expression - and I say I can tell who they are from what they do, not what they say they do. I suggest this is a poignant differentiation among adults, in fact is a fair working definition of adult behavior. Phil Innes   Date: 30 Jun 2008 02:45:29 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar If you go back to http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/msg/faba1edac6960d40?dmode=source you will see a series of postings by Phil Innes from January-February, 2003 where he complains about to threats by posters to the "women" of his "family". One of them is this: "The gentleman of whom you spoke posted my home phone number directly to this newsgroup in response to the vilest poster I have ever encountered - who then repeated it ad nauseum with various threats and comments to the women of my family." Of course, none of this was true. Nobody posted the home phone number of Phil Innes and even if he did there would have been nothing wrong with that since the number of Innes in Vermont was listed with switchboard.com . Also nobody threatened the women in his family if indeed there are any. After a series of these threatening remarks by Phil Innes, he dropped out of this group for several months. It has been suggested that somebody here complained to his ISP and accordingly his ISP banned him from posting. Sam Sloan   Date: 29 Jun 2008 22:12:24 From: Rob Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 29, 11:07 pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 29, 3:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > (Snipped usual drivel) > > On June 28, at 2:39 PM, "Chess One" wrote: > > "So... so long...." > > And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. Really? Is this group RGCM? If so I am as confused as some others.     Date: 30 Jun 2008 08:58:12 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "Rob" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... >> On June 28, at 2:39 PM, "Chess One" wrote: >> >> "So... so long...." >> >> And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile. > > Really? Is this group RGCM? If so I am as confused as some others. Dear Rob Mitchell, Its interesting, isn't it, how people who do nothing but comment on others - indecently comment, continue to want their inquiries answered, or audit the terms by which others should write! But just see what happens after this inquiries /are/ answered. You might not find it personally amusing, but even after some substantial doubt was cast on the veracity of what was written at Gotch Chess, a certain person here continued as if nothing had happened! I already refuted Brennen's comment above - which was to voluntarily not write here, and the context whcih was abuse of my family - but I wrote elsewhere on usenet. But liars don't care to represent the truth - and for the perpetrator of abuse to continue to edit what it true about their own part in things, takes the biscuit! I rather suspected a parallel with the FSS material; that those who would indecently speculate [rather than make decent inquiry natural to their curiosity] were not entirely innocent parties! ;) I think this place would be much better off if these massive personal indulgences of their selves and also of any objective truth, by people who make only very rare chessic contributions, would not be indulged on the personality basis in which it is uttered. I sensibly think we could all say goodbye to that. Most people are not strong enough to resist the temptation to indulge themselves this way, especially when someone goes right over the top and mocks other poster's wives, and spectacularly demonstrate nothing but an indecent attention. Those that follow on merely suggest lesser terms of abuse, rather than use any different principal. I think those things could be kissed goodbye too. If USCF want to celebrate those who indulge in vile public behavior by actually publishing them, and it seems they do, then that is a reportable matter, but not here. [ROFL] Not as if the perpetrators of disgusting levels of commentary themselves should audit what is publicly decent. From other mail I cannot determine if USCF even apologised for personnel material showing up in public. I don't mean be responsible for it - I mean just acknowledge and regret it, to be responsible for it would mean acting so that it did not occur again. In terms of truth and lies, I see that yet other material which is board-confidential seems to have wound up with Jerry Hanken, and then wider circulation. In order to verify that, board members themselves need to admit a fault, and rather like here, this is liking asking the perps what's fair? I see that now permission to release this confidential information has been granted to a board member who once again is not asking for things to remain in the dark cave of ChessHut, but is conspicuous in wanting to open up what goes on down there! No wonder people in support of that receive such flak! Regardless of what many write here, their actions demonstrate a contrary attitude and they resent like hell the real net-work being exposed. Though it is impossible to contain such information anyway. Did you say 'a rusty seive'? The leakage from that works both ways. The place to confront this stuff is where people value public decency, and not in a liar's-culture, and not by their own terms - terms which are not only not culturally not acceptable in the USA, many of them are illegal too. Phil Innes   Date: 29 Jun 2008 21:13:15 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar samsloan wrote: > Now we can all see that Phil Innes, the number one defender of Polgar > and Truong, is a total nut. Anyone who did not *immediately* kill-file the nearly-an-IM could have seen that as early as, say, 1984 A.D. > Check back to February 2003 under the header "Unpaid Vendors" and you > see many more threatening statements by Phil Innes. Did PI threaten to keep posting in rgc? And if so, was anyone stupid enough to call his bluff? The only threat more frightening would be, I suppose, if PI threatened to actually increase the number of his, um, "contributions" here. As far as I have seen, Sir IMnes has not in any way "defended" Susan Polgar or Paul Truong; instead, he has relied almost entirely upon smearing those who relay messages regarding the fake Sam Sloan, and upon his own hypocrisy regarding such matters as "Justice". /Defense/ is where you shield weaknesses from attacks by the opponent, and Nearly-IMnes is a failure in that regard. -- help bot   Date: 29 Jun 2008 21:07:46 From: The Historian Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 29, 3:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: (Snipped usual drivel) On June 28, at 2:39 PM, "Chess One" wrote: "So... so long...." And in less than 24 hours, P Innes was back from self-imposed exile.   Date: 29 Jun 2008 20:37:47 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 29, 8:40 pm, Rob <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 2:20 pm, The Historian <[email protected]> wrote: > > Was it a highly distinctive looking bike? Anything would stand out > > amid the flocks of Pigeons the Chinese ride. > > This is disgusting and vulgar. But I would not expect more from > Mohammed or Brennen. The brand name of bicycle most commonly ridden in China is called the Pigeon. Nothing vulgar about it.   Date: 29 Jun 2008 19:28:42 From: help bot Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote: > As the law restricts my ability to respond in kind, or to escalate, my only > recourse is to first request this user stop, and then report it to police if > it continues. I already have several causes of action for a civil lawsuit > at my disposal. Wow. That's really impressive, fella. > The user's purported e-mail address is also bouncing as invalid, so its > postings will be construed as anonymous. Lots of emails are like that; it's a weapon used to defeat spammers like you. > Like the FSS, this poster seems to think it can do this forever without > consequence. You think someone who claims to be so intelligent would know > better. Apparently his ego isn't so evolved. Don't worry, that can be > changed. > -- > -- > Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru > > Finding Your A-Game: > http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html > Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) > The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From > > Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: > http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf > > Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) > http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing > > Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which > no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make > from what they teach. > > Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: > http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 > > Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight > contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid > targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined > their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about? As can be seen just above, the majority of your posting was what many folks consider to be spam. You are a spammer, Mr. Parker. In some ways your spam is worse than that of the misguided dimwits you've picked on for "spamming" rgc, because unlike them, you ought to know better. That is, assuming you are *not* a dimwit. (Are you?) -- help bot   Date: 29 Jun 2008 18:44:35 From: Rob Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 29, 7:40 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 29, 3:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since they have no shame, nor anyone here a wife nor daughter, then let it > > not bother you, dear reader. > > > Phil Innes > > I have a wife and a daughter but I do not spend any time worrying > about whether Neil Brennen or Frisco Del Rosario or even Phil Innes > might come here and assault or molest them. > > We have police whose job it is to worry about that. > > But, if I was worried about that, I would not blast it all over the > Internet that I was worried about it. > > Sam Sloan > > By the way, is your wife male or female? How much viagra for you and valium for your wife( is she 16 yet?) does it take for you?   Date: 29 Jun 2008 18:40:49 From: Rob Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 2:20 pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 6:50 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 28, 5:31 am, The Historian <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 28, 3:02 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:24 am, The Historian <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > > > > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > > > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > > > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > > > > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > > > > > > at least three years old. > > > > > > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > > > > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > > > > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > > > > > > goes. > > > > > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > > > > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > > > > > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > > > > > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > > > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > > > > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > > > > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > > > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > > > > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > > > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > > > > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > > > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > > > > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > > > > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > > > > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > > > > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > > > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > > > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > > > > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > > > > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > > > > briefcase.) > > > > > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > > > > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > > > > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > > > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > > > > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > > > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > > > > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > > > > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > > > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > > > > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > > > > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > > > > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > > > > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > > > > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > > > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > > > > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. > > > > > I thought this was rather good. Could you develop this idea? Perhaps > > > > we could make it into a part of a real movie. > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > "Tales of the Brattleboro FBI?" > > > > While on the subject, here's a Brattleboro man who REALLY needed help > > > from the authorities: > > > >http://luckycornflake.blogspot.com/ > > > > I wonder if he knows the Brattleboro Bedlam? > > > Amazing, now that the guy has made his bike famous by writing about it > > on his blog, he is selling it on eBay and the bids have risen to $225. > > > I have a far better and more amazing story than that. > > > In 1985 in Kashgar, Xinjiang, China my bike was stolen. I reported it > > to the police but naturally in a land with a million bicycles and all > > of them look alike I never expected to see it again. > > > Amazingly, a week later, the Chinese police found my bicycle and > > returned it to me. > > > Sam Sloan > > Was it a highly distinctive looking bike? Anything would stand out > amid the flocks of Pigeons the Chinese ride. This is disgusting and vulgar. But I would not expect more from Mohammed or Brennen.   Date: 29 Jun 2008 17:40:43 From: samsloan Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 29, 3:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > Since they have no shame, nor anyone here a wife nor daughter, then let it > not bother you, dear reader. > > Phil Innes I have a wife and a daughter but I do not spend any time worrying about whether Neil Brennen or Frisco Del Rosario or even Phil Innes might come here and assault or molest them. We have police whose job it is to worry about that. But, if I was worried about that, I would not blast it all over the Internet that I was worried about it. Sam Sloan By the way, is your wife male or female?     Date: 30 Jun 2008 09:27:36 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Jun 29, 3:08 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since they have no shame, nor anyone here a wife nor daughter, then let >> it >> not bother you, dear reader. >> >> Phil Innes > > I have a wife and a daughter but I do not spend any time worrying > about whether Neil Brennen or Frisco Del Rosario or even Phil Innes > might come here and assault or molest them. > > We have police whose job it is to worry about that. > > But, if I was worried about that, I would not blast it all over the > Internet that I was worried about it. > > Sam Sloan > > By the way, is your wife male or female? More VILE peculations! The idiot-Sloan wrote in message news:012aaa18-68c7-4674-b52c-55760137f3c1@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... "Nobody here on this or any other group that I know of has ever mentioned the "wife" or the "family" of Phil Innes." And then doesn't notice that he does so himself. -- I mention this because the terms of the game are changed - and it is sufficient to point out the lies that people commit about what they say of themselves and what they do. If people will volunteer this stuff in public - pftt! What will they not do elsewhere? This is why their views on the subjects of their own abuse should not be taken into council at all - and also why others should be informed of their actual behaviors. -- After substantial support has been recently volunteered to identify and then eliminate these views from American chess. This reporting is of now being conducted elsewhere. Phil Innes       Date: 02 Jul 2008 07:29:28 From: nobody Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP Chess One wrote: . > After substantial support has been recently volunteered to identify and then > eliminate these views from American chess. This reporting is of now being > conducted elsewhere. Gawd! - talk about pot/kettle, resurgent macarthyism, armbands & the 4am door-knock. Clearly wowser-dom can only handle so much usenet & once a line is crossed repression is the order of the day. What was it I said earlier about these insidious scum? Oh! never mind. Their sick craving to clap the mockers on, to moderate, control & nannify the people's wish to freely communicate, will, in a sane world, ultimately prove barren.. nobody.         Date: 02 Jul 2008 09:36:36 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "nobody" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Chess One wrote: > > . >> After substantial support has been recently volunteered to identify and >> then >> eliminate these views from American chess. This reporting is of now being >> conducted elsewhere. > > Gawd! - talk about pot/kettle, resurgent macarthyism, armbands & the 4am > door-knock. Clearly wowser-dom can only handle so much usenet & once a > line is crossed repression is the order of the day. What was it I said > earlier about these insidious scum? Oh! never mind. Their sick craving > to clap the mockers on, to moderate, control & nannify the people's wish > to freely communicate, will, in a sane world, ultimately prove barren.. Gawd indeed! But I am afraid that your alarums are unwarranted ones, no-one here is restricted from saying anything they please! the perps just don't get to shout down the agenda, and abuse those who actually want to discuss issues - that's all - if the perps object, go pound sand! if repressing a topic by these means is viewed as to 'freely communicate in a same world', then it seems like abusers have taken this resource and ensured it is of little worth anyone can have a go at discussing an issue - or at least determine if they can - you just have to sort out what people say of themselves from how they actually behave Phil Innes > nobody.   Date: 29 Jun 2008 08:55:24 From: Vance Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me On Jun 28, 6:15=A0pm, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote: > In article <[email protected]>, > > The user's purported e-mail address is also bouncing as invalid, so its > > postings will be construed as anonymous. > > How stupid can you be, Gordon Roy? > > The bit that says [email protected]? Take off the NO part. Have > you Googled "Frisco Del Rosario" to see how "anonymous" I am? Have you > tried the phone directory for San Mateo, California? > San Mateo? I was born and raised there. Born at Mills Hospital and Bapatized at St. Mathews. Nice town. It's changed a lot, though, since I was a kid. Sometimes I have a photo shoot in the area and, if you like coffee, I'd be up for getting together. Sam if you come up to San Francisco. Vance     Date: 29 Jun 2008 16:14:34 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me In article <a570cc95-84ee-4367-bdb4-d71d8d90999c@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com >, Vance <[email protected] > wrote: > if > you like coffee, I'd be up for getting together. Sam if you come up > to San Francisco. Sure. That would make it much easier to conspire than having to leave coded messages on newsgroups.   Date: 28 Jun 2008 13:08:05 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 1:09 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:93be5fa6-c639-4709-87e4-2a1e47f5184f@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > In article <[email protected]>, > >> > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > >> > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > >> > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > >> > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > >> > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > >> > at least three years old. > > >> > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > >> > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > >> > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > >> > goes. > > >> >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > >> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > >> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > >> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > >> Sam Sloan > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > Laugh - Brattleboro, Kipling's town! I have referenced it some 100 times. > > "I cannot live where I love best, Bombay or Brattleboro." > - RK > > Gawd - I even invited Rynd/Dowd here for a week's free vacation, when he > really seemed to need one. 2 people know that, both post here. > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > You are a slut Sloan. A great big slut. And any man who is a man would > resent anyone assaulting their wife and children. > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > And this for the record! Internet threats being moderated by FBI. > > And here is our Sam, spinning away, causually dismissing everything decent, > and this is how here choses to celebrate his freedom of speech. > > I rather expect others will enjoy this sort of thing, but they would not > enjoy meeting me. Better then, they write here, than come here. > > Be very careful not to come here Sloan, since you voluntarily raise the > issue of abuse of wife and children, and that is an incitement! > > Phil Innes Now we can all see that Phil Innes, the number one defender of Polgar and Truong, is a total nut. Check back to February 2003 under the header "Unpaid Vendors" and you see many more threatening statements by Phil Innes. Sam Sloan   Date: 28 Jun 2008 12:54:14 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 2:20 pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 6:50 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have a far better and more amazing story than that. > > > In 1985 in Kashgar, Xinjiang, China my bike was stolen. I reported it > > to the police but naturally in a land with a million bicycles and all > > of them look alike I never expected to see it again. > > > Amazingly, a week later, the Chinese police found my bicycle and > > returned it to me. > > > Sam Sloan > > Was it a highly distinctive looking bike? Anything would stand out > amid the flocks of Pigeons the Chinese ride. Not at all. I bought the bike in the local public market in Kashgar, where they buy and sell camels, goats, bikes and other things. I paid 90 Chinese renmenbei for the bike. I wrote down the registration number. It was exactly the same as a million other bikes. I rode it for a month. After I got it back, I went back to the same market were I had bought it and sold it to somebody for 80 renmenbei. So, it cost me only 10 renmenbei to ride a bicycle for a month. This all happened in February 1985. I still know how to bargain in the Uyghur Language. I still use this ability as I have found that there are some Uyghur street vendors in Flushing Queens. Sam Sloan   Date: 28 Jun 2008 12:20:11 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 6:50 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 5:31 am, The Historian <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 28, 3:02 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 10:24 am, The Historian <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > > > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > > > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > > > > > at least three years old. > > > > > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > > > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > > > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > > > > > goes. > > > > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > > > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > > > > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > > > > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > > > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > > > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > > > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > > > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > > > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > > > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > > > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > > > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > > > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > > > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > > > briefcase.) > > > > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > > > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > > > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > > > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > > > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > > > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > > > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > > > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > > > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > > > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > > > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > > > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. > > > > I thought this was rather good. Could you develop this idea? Perhaps > > > we could make it into a part of a real movie. > > > > Sam Sloan > > > "Tales of the Brattleboro FBI?" > > > While on the subject, here's a Brattleboro man who REALLY needed help > > from the authorities: > > >http://luckycornflake.blogspot.com/ > > > I wonder if he knows the Brattleboro Bedlam? > > Amazing, now that the guy has made his bike famous by writing about it > on his blog, he is selling it on eBay and the bids have risen to $225. > > I have a far better and more amazing story than that. > > In 1985 in Kashgar, Xinjiang, China my bike was stolen. I reported it > to the police but naturally in a land with a million bicycles and all > of them look alike I never expected to see it again. > > Amazingly, a week later, the Chinese police found my bicycle and > returned it to me. > > Sam Sloan Was it a highly distinctive looking bike? Anything would stand out amid the flocks of Pigeons the Chinese ride.   Date: 28 Jun 2008 11:56:35 From: The Historian Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 28, 1:45 pm, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 1:21 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >news:6374d35a-f625-41b1-b234-d45bf2fe9127@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > In article <[email protected]>, > > >> > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > >> > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > >> > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > >> > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or > > >> > > would > > >> > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of > > >> > > that's > > >> > > at least three years old. > > > >> > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club > > >> > > Championship > > >> > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > >> > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > >> > > goes. > > > >> > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > >> > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > >> > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > >> > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > >> > Sam Sloan > > > >> Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > >> A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > >> that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > >> of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > >> Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > >> and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > >> Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > >> other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > >> Sam Sloan > > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself as > > a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. > > > Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me and > > family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social > > standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it is > > his only means to gain celebrity. > > > Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when > > > wowa! > > > the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. > > Actually, he followed the posts of P Innes. That seemed to be the > point, wasn't it? > > > That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and they > > are happy to have him ;( > > > All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and > > Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private > > stuff! > > > Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then imagine > > the same happening to them and who they love. > > > At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] to > > protect my family. > > After another four months of threatening folks here in the newsgroup, > and complaints to his ISP sover.net, that is. P Innes 'withdrew' > pretty quickly once sover.net informed me they were going to speak to > their 'client' about his newsgroup posting practices. In particular, > something about the way P Innes altered his newsgroup headers violated > their terms of service. > > Do a search under P Innes' old posting address, and you will see he > was off the newsgroups from February to October 2003. From the Google Groups profile of P Innes' old sover.net posting address, edited to fit the screen. Note the big gap: Post Activity Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1 315 382 2 75 117 155 173 180 128 160 133 162 83 52 103 3 140 44 83 275 186 4 282 158 132     Date: 29 Jun 2008 16:08:19 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:256fecdc-5c5b-4a47-953c-2bfe4496b9a4@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > From the Google Groups profile of P Innes' old sover.net posting > address, edited to fit the screen. Note the big gap: > Post Activity > > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec > 1 315 382 > 2 75 117 155 173 180 128 160 133 162 83 52 103 > 3 140 44 83 275 186 > 4 282 158 132 > I said Brennen was a stalker - and liar too - and I said he was a hate merchant. He is now a CL author too. Since they have no shame, nor anyone here a wife nor daughter, then let it not bother you, dear reader. Phil Innes   Date: 28 Jun 2008 11:45:14 From: The Historian Subject: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP On Jun 28, 1:21 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:6374d35a-f625-41b1-b234-d45bf2fe9127@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > In article <[email protected]>, > >> > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > >> > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > >> > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > >> > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or > >> > > would > >> > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of > >> > > that's > >> > > at least three years old. > > >> > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club > >> > > Championship > >> > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > >> > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > >> > > goes. > > >> > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > >> > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > >> > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > >> > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > >> > Sam Sloan > > >> Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > >> A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > >> that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > >> of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > >> Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > >> and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > >> Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > >> other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > >> Sam Sloan > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself as > a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. > > Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me and > family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social > standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it is > his only means to gain celebrity. > > Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when > > wowa! > > the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. Actually, he followed the posts of P Innes. That seemed to be the point, wasn't it? > That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and they > are happy to have him ;( > > All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and > Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private > stuff! > > Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then imagine > the same happening to them and who they love. > > At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] to > protect my family. After another four months of threatening folks here in the newsgroup, and complaints to his ISP sover.net, that is. P Innes 'withdrew' pretty quickly once sover.net informed me they were going to speak to their 'client' about his newsgroup posting practices. In particular, something about the way P Innes altered his newsgroup headers violated their terms of service. Do a search under P Innes' old posting address, and you will see he was off the newsgroups from February to October 2003. > Some sad people here think this is very funny, celebrate it, but they only > 'think' so at a distance, like Sloan does, otherwise can you imagine such > people saying such things about your woman to your face? > > You want vile? These people will give it to you. > > Phil Innes > > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > briefcase.) > > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > Innes phone. No wonder we get along.     Date: 28 Jun 2008 15:39:12 From: Chess One Subject: Re: P Innes 'withdraws' thanks to his ISP "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:e44b21b9-cde4-4cb5-97e0-fd103699c346@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> Sam Sloan >> >> > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: >> >> That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself >> as >> a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. >> >> Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me >> and >> family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social >> standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it >> is >> his only means to gain celebrity. >> >> Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when >> >> wowa! >> >> the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. > > Actually, he followed the posts of P Innes. That seemed to be the > point, wasn't it? > >> That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and >> they >> are happy to have him ;( >> >> All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and >> Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private >> stuff! >> >> Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then >> imagine >> the same happening to them and who they love. >> >> At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] >> to >> protect my family. > > After another four months of threatening folks here in the newsgroup, > and complaints to his ISP sover.net, that is. P Innes 'withdrew' The results of what //Brennen// wrote to my ISP about my resentment to the person who followed his own posts - only his posts - was the reason for my withdrawal. I shall perforce need do it again, since his vile speculations are nothing I need, and while this person would never have the balls to say so to my face, here he rules a little group of like minded woman-haters, and will voluntarily mention people's wives, ably supported by the Sloan and his own disgusting coterie of enthusiasts for 'freedom!, and God knows who else has chipped in with their comments on how ignorable a little fascism is these days. So... so long, and if you can, mention some chess now and again. More now than again. That is the best antedote. I will take this issue elsewhere since I say again, this is the public stance some people make, not the whole story. And I think, in time, the wheels grind fine. In the meatime I must resent such affronts to my family by not seeming to discourse with shite who don't care what they say. Phil Innes > pretty quickly once sover.net informed me they were going to speak to > their 'client' about his newsgroup posting practices. In particular, > something about the way P Innes altered his newsgroup headers violated > their terms of service. > > Do a search under P Innes' old posting address, and you will see he > was off the newsgroups from February to October 2003. > >> Some sad people here think this is very funny, celebrate it, but they >> only >> 'think' so at a distance, like Sloan does, otherwise can you imagine such >> people saying such things about your woman to your face? >> >> You want vile? These people will give it to you. >> >> Phil Innes >> >> > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, >> > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee >> > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man >> > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the >> > middle-aged men walks towards him.) >> >> > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? >> >> > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and >> > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men >> > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his >> > briefcase.) >> >> > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent >> > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I >> > think you'll like it here in our small town. >> >> > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to >> > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. >> >> > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is >> > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) >> > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! >> >> > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. >> > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? >> > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, >> > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting >> > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I >> > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." >> >> > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the >> > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. >   Date: 28 Jun 2008 11:15:35 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 1:09 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:93be5fa6-c639-4709-87e4-2a1e47f5184f@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > In article <[email protected]>, > >> > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > >> > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > >> > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > >> > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > >> > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > >> > at least three years old. > > >> > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > >> > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > >> > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > >> > goes. > > >> >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > >> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > >> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > >> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > >> Sam Sloan > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > Laugh - Brattleboro, Kipling's town! I have referenced it some 100 times. > > "I cannot live where I love best, Bombay or Brattleboro." > - RK > > Gawd - I even invited Rynd/Dowd here for a week's free vacation, when he > really seemed to need one. 2 people know that, both post here. Wasn't that Larry Tapper? I recall that 'invitation' as another one of your clueless mix-ups. > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > You are a slut Sloan. A great big slut. And any man who is a man would > resent anyone assaulting their wife and children. > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > And this for the record! Internet threats being moderated by FBI. > > And here is our Sam, spinning away, causually dismissing everything decent, > and this is how here choses to celebrate his freedom of speech. > > I rather expect others will enjoy this sort of thing, but they would not > enjoy meeting me. Better then, they write here, than come here. > > Be very careful not to come here Sloan, since you voluntarily raise the > issue of abuse of wife and children, and that is an incitement! > > Phil Innes > > > Sam Sloan   Date: 28 Jun 2008 04:50:08 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 5:31 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 28, 3:02 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:24 am, The Historian <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > > > > at least three years old. > > > > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > > > > goes. > > > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > > > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > > > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > > briefcase.) > > > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. > > > I thought this was rather good. Could you develop this idea? Perhaps > > we could make it into a part of a real movie. > > > Sam Sloan > > "Tales of the Brattleboro FBI?" > > While on the subject, here's a Brattleboro man who REALLY needed help > from the authorities: > > http://luckycornflake.blogspot.com/ > > I wonder if he knows the Brattleboro Bedlam? Amazing, now that the guy has made his bike famous by writing about it on his blog, he is selling it on eBay and the bids have risen to $225. I have a far better and more amazing story than that. In 1985 in Kashgar, Xinjiang, China my bike was stolen. I reported it to the police but naturally in a land with a million bicycles and all of them look alike I never expected to see it again. Amazingly, a week later, the Chinese police found my bicycle and returned it to me. Sam Sloan   Date: 28 Jun 2008 03:31:11 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 28, 3:02 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:24 am, The Historian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > > > at least three years old. > > > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > > > goes. > > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > > Sam Sloan > > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > > briefcase.) > > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. > > I thought this was rather good. Could you develop this idea? Perhaps > we could make it into a part of a real movie. > > Sam Sloan "Tales of the Brattleboro FBI?" While on the subject, here's a Brattleboro man who REALLY needed help from the authorities: http://luckycornflake.blogspot.com/ I wonder if he knows the Brattleboro Bedlam?   Date: 28 Jun 2008 01:02:26 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 10:24 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > > at least three years old. > > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > > goes. > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > > Sam Sloan > > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > > Sam Sloan > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > briefcase.) > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. I thought this was rather good. Could you develop this idea? Perhaps we could make it into a part of a real movie. Sam Sloan   Date: 27 Jun 2008 21:34:52 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 9:39=A0am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:frisco-= [email protected]... > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > laugh, me too, in fact not only once! I think that I need some help in becoming nearly a 2200 player. I seem to have some of the qualifications, but cannot seem to quite reach the coveted nearly 2200 level. For example, although I won some Grand Prix points in my most recent tournament, somehow I cannot shake the feeling that I did this not because I was a near 2200 player, but because my 4th round opponent overstepped the time limit while I was holding on for dear life, and because the Swiss system paired me in the last round against an 1850 player while the IM and the FIDE master were taking a draw on board 1. I want to say a la Paul Truong that I have won 4 state championships, but somehow I cannot bring myself to do this because of the minor consideration that these were state Quick Chess championships and (most recently) Senior championships, some of which involved fewer than 10 people and no masters in the field. And why didn't it ever occur to me to use wins over GMs in simuls as proof of my almost-title? Is there something wrong with me? I think with a bit of removal of my shame gland I might be able to reach the title, while the goal of becoming an actual 2200 player would require actually improving in chess. I feel that I can now claim to be a near- expert, but somehow with a rating of 1999 this does not seem to be the sort of bold step I need in improving my near title. Thanks for any help. I cannot even find Eric Schiller books on how to become a near- master to guide me. Jerry Spinrad > > While there are those who like to see fights here, it is no prescription = - > and actually Francisco I honestly wanted to know your own perspective sin= ce > some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or > even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to= do > that] > > But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its > interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of > player. > > >> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > at least three years old. > > I just wanted you to illustrate your chessic question by writing about th= at. > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > goes. > > Cool. I have some very old Kolty 'pamphlets' in the Russian tradition of > treating an opening - typed rather than typeset, and actually very > interesting. I see they were published by Chess Digest 1973, edited by Ke= n > Smith. Good value if you like games, 52 pages 50 games in his Max Lange > Attack. > > very interesting to me is this line -can you read descriptive? =A0:)) > > 1 p-k4 p-k4 > 2 nkb3 nqb3 > 3 bb4 bb4 > 4 0-0 nb3 > 5 p-q4 pxp > 6 p-k5 > > and here george makes a very interesting comment on the necessity for bla= ck > to counter attack and with 6... p-Q4. Then George gives the flavor of the > game by underling that White must continue to attack! Its good stuff! so = to > continue a few more moves > > 6. ... p-q4 > 7 pxN pxB > > which george says is forced - and also shows what happens with quite > extensive analysis if 8 pxp rkn1- generally with advantage to black, but > also a somewhat unexplored line [from a 9th move deviation] Dr. Bernstein= RG > Wade, Amsterdam 1962. > > one interesting thing is that i have made notes here from about 1 page of > text - and a modern book would expand that to 5 or 6 pages! in fact kolty > seems to have written what would be a plan for a modern book, and in very > dense form. > > is there, to your knowledge any recent exploration of Max Lange in either > play or in print? > > Cordially, Phil Innes > > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -   Date: 27 Jun 2008 21:09:27 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 11:25 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > > LOL! Thanks! > > I don't care who is being mocked, it is not respectful of our government or > its workers to imply that they play favorites among our citizenss. > > The joke isn't funny or cool. It may even be libelous. You've never seen a film with a corrupt/buffoonish government worker/ policeman/soldier/etc? Go rent Dr. Strangelove.     Date: 28 Jun 2008 12:12:14 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:09:27 -0700 (PDT), The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: >On Jun 27, 11:25 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" ><[email protected]> wrote: >> > LOL! Thanks! >> I don't care who is being mocked, it is not respectful of our government or >> its workers to imply that they play favorites among our citizenss. >> The joke isn't funny or cool. It may even be libelous. >You've never seen a film with a corrupt/buffoonish government worker/ >policeman/soldier/etc? Go rent Dr. Strangelove. Don't need to go that far back. Just review Justice Department hiring (and firing) policies under the Shrub. See "Current Events". Heh, heh, heh.   Date: 28 Jun 2008 11:55:13 From: nobody Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar help bot wrote: . > An exceedingly moody creature, nearly-IMnes > often bounces back and forth between kissing > up, and fits of cursing and slobbering. It > reminds me of an old movie: Dr. Innes and Mr. > Hyde. Or was it Jeckyl? Jekyll actually, but I'd prefer Jackal here just to pun-up the low nature of much contemporary journalism..   Date: 27 Jun 2008 16:16:31 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 3:17 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > So naming the town one lives in is grounds for an FBI complaint, but > impersonating someone while sexually harassing the daughter of a known > organized crime figure is "satire?" "There's no such thing as organized crime." -- the FBI   Date: 27 Jun 2008 16:10:25 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 11:16 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > > > Cordially, Phil Innes Cordially now, is it? LOL! > What's most amusing, aside from P Innes' continued cluelessness on > chess openings, is his whiplash flip-flop once he discovered Frisco > Del Rosario's chess ability. Innes is a vehicle that can go from zero > to suck-up in less than six seconds. He's quick alright. But as far as the attempt to rely upon something GK wrote many years ago on some opening, he's not very sharp; I expect that his Rybka program could poke holes in Mr. Koltanowski's analysis just as above-- in /less than six seconds/. I ran one of my better games from GetClub through for a look: mate-in-ten, no, mate-in- fifteen, no, now just fourteen points up, etc.! I still have no idea how there was a forced mate so deep in these complex lines. > BTW, P Innes referred to himself as a "master" in another thread > recently, one where he was pontificating on endgames. Poseur. The poor chap literally *runs* from Mr. Sloan, and I expect this is one time where his "analysis" is correct. Most of the time the poor fellow relies on the whims and opinions of his heroes (anyone really, so long as they do not have to /make up/ their title). An exceedingly moody creature, nearly-IMnes often bounces back and forth between kissing up, and fits of cursing and slobbering. It reminds me of an old movie: Dr. Innes and Mr. Hyde. Or was it Jeckyl? Anyway, the same plot... the same drug, apparently. -- help bot   Date: 27 Jun 2008 14:13:54 From: Lori Koonce Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 4:14=A0am, Alex <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 26, 4:04 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > =A0"Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. > > > Don't overexert yourself, Sherlock. I post under my real name, and > > there's only one such name on the 'net. > > I do too and Gordon has been a spectacular failure at locating me. Alex I offered to serve papers on Vance a few years back. Gave gru-pie my address and everything. Still haven't heard a thing. Just to make sure, I've googled myself and the post with my address is still in the archives. Pathetic little whiner isn't he. Lori   Date: 27 Jun 2008 08:24:20 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > at least three years old. > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > goes. > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > > Sam Sloan > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > Sam Sloan Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the middle-aged men walks towards him.) Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his briefcase.) Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I think you'll like it here in our small town. Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the Innes phone. No wonder we get along.     Date: 28 Jun 2008 14:21:41 From: Chess One Subject: Neil Brennen's hate-speech continues, Sloan chips in "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:6374d35a-f625-41b1-b234-d45bf2fe9127@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > In article <[email protected]>, >> > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >> >> > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >> >> > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >> >> > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or >> > > would >> > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of >> > > that's >> > > at least three years old. >> >> > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club >> > > Championship >> > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >> > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >> > > goes. >> >> > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf >> >> > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In >> > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you >> > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. >> >> > Sam Sloan >> >> Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. >> >> A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see >> that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name >> of the small town in Vermont where he lives. >> >> Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town >> and assault his "wife" and his other family members. >> >> Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and >> other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. >> >> Sam Sloan > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: That's not what happened. If Brennen wants to continue to profile himself as a hater, as a satirist that is his business. I look after my own. Brennen as well as Sloan incited disgusting comments today - toward me and family. Brennen thinks he is immune, this mocking of American social standards is noted as part of his pattern of hate-speech. For Sloan, it is his only means to gain celebrity. Brennen suggested I wrote filth about my own family when wowa! the anon who /only/ followed his posts wrote filth about them. That is the sort of character you got here, and now in Chess Life! and they are happy to have him ;( All I did was stick up for the ladies, then and now - and nor Slaon and Brennen show you all their /public/ orientation. Imagine their private stuff! Ker-ist, is some other idiot thinks this is a 'disagreement', then imagine the same happening to them and who they love. At length I voluntarily withdrew from this newsgroup, [not from others] to protect my family. Some sad people here think this is very funny, celebrate it, but they only 'think' so at a distance, like Sloan does, otherwise can you imagine such people saying such things about your woman to your face? You want vile? These people will give it to you. Phil Innes > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > briefcase.) > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > Innes phone. No wonder we get along.     Date: 27 Jun 2008 16:08:28 From: Brian Lafferty Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution The Historian wrote: > On Jun 27, 10:13 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> In article <[email protected]>, >>>> "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >>>> It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >>>>> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >>>> OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >>>> you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >>>> at least three years old. >>>> I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >>>> tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >>>> produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >>>> goes. >>>> http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf >>> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In >>> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you >>> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. >>> Sam Sloan >> Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. >> >> A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see >> that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name >> of the small town in Vermont where he lives. >> >> Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town >> and assault his "wife" and his other family members. >> >> Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and >> other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. >> >> Sam Sloan > > Here's what happens when P Innes contacts the FBI: > > (Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Brattleboro, VT, > 8:00 AM. A couple of middle-aged men are standing drinking from coffee > mugs. One holds a half-eaten donut in his right hand. A young man > nervously clutching a briefcase walks in the front door. One of the > middle-aged men walks towards him.) > > Middle Aged Man: Agent William E. Spillman? > > Young Man: Yes, hello, glad to meet you. (He extends his hand and > drops his briefcase. Papers and pens spill out. Both older men > suppress a chuckle. The young man shoves paper and pens back into his > briefcase.) > > Middle Aged Man: Good morning. Agent Ree Mailer here, that's Agent > Annon Mouse over there. Welcome to the Brattleboro office, Willie. I > think you'll like it here in our small town. > > Spillman: I think I will too. I think I was lucky to get assigned to > Brattleboro for my first posting out of the academy. > > Mailer: We have your desk set up for you already. And your phone is > hooked up too. (Agent Mouse suppresses a giggle as the phone rings.) > You're on the clock, go get it Spillman! > > Spillman: (answers phone) Agent Spillman, Brattleboro FBI..... Uh huh. > Stalking, you say..... chess histories written in blood.... heuch? > what does Heuch mean?... chess newsgroups.... some guy named Berman, > is that what you said? Can you spell it? .... No, I wasn't insulting > you. .... No, I don't hate foreigners.... Calm down Mr Inez.... No, I > never posted to a newsgroup under the name "Sam Sloan." > > Mouse (to Mailer): It's cruel to do that to a rookie, put them on the > Innes phone. No wonder we get along. LOL! Thanks!       Date: 27 Jun 2008 12:25:14 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess > LOL! Thanks! I don't care who is being mocked, it is not respectful of our government or its workers to imply that they play favorites among our citizenss. The joke isn't funny or cool. It may even be libelous. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?   Date: 27 Jun 2008 08:16:41 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 10:07 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 9:39 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]... > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > laugh, me too, in fact not only once! > > > While there are those who like to see fights here, it is no prescription - > > and actually Francisco I honestly wanted to know your own perspective since > > some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or > > even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to do > > that] > > > But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its > > interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of > > player. > > > >> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > at least three years old. > > > I just wanted you to illustrate your chessic question by writing about that. > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > goes. > > > Cool. I have some very old Kolty 'pamphlets' in the Russian tradition of > > treating an opening - typed rather than typeset, and actually very > > interesting. I see they were published by Chess Digest 1973, edited by Ken > > Smith. Good value if you like games, 52 pages 50 games in his Max Lange > > Attack. > > > very interesting to me is this line -can you read descriptive? :)) > > > 1 p-k4 p-k4 > > 2 nkb3 nqb3 > > 3 bb4 bb4 > > 4 0-0 nb3 > > 5 p-q4 pxp > > 6 p-k5 > > > and here george makes a very interesting comment on the necessity for black > > to counter attack and with 6... p-Q4. Then George gives the flavor of the > > game by underling that White must continue to attack! Its good stuff! so to > > continue a few more moves > > > 6. ... p-q4 > > 7 pxN pxB > > > which george says is forced - and also shows what happens with quite > > extensive analysis if 8 pxp rkn1- generally with advantage to black, but > > also a somewhat unexplored line [from a 9th move deviation] Dr. Bernstein RG > > Wade, Amsterdam 1962. > > > one interesting thing is that i have made notes here from about 1 page of > > text - and a modern book would expand that to 5 or 6 pages! in fact kolty > > seems to have written what would be a plan for a modern book, and in very > > dense form. > > > is there, to your knowledge any recent exploration of Max Lange in either > > play or in print? > > > Cordially, Phil Innes > > Innes shows how little he knows about chess. > > There have been millions of games played with this line. > > I have played a few thousand myself. > > Sam Sloan What's most amusing, aside from P Innes' continued cluelessness on chess openings, is his whiplash flip-flop once he discovered Frisco Del Rosario's chess ability. Innes is a vehicle that can go from zero to suck-up in less than six seconds. BTW, P Innes referred to himself as a "master" in another thread recently, one where he was pontificating on endgames. Poseur.   Date: 27 Jun 2008 08:13:29 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > at least three years old. > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > goes. > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > Sam Sloan Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name of the small town in Vermont where he lives. Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town and assault his "wife" and his other family members. Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. Sam Sloan     Date: 28 Jun 2008 14:09:54 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:93be5fa6-c639-4709-87e4-2a1e47f5184f@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > In article <[email protected]>, >> > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >> >> > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >> >> > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >> >> > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >> > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >> > at least three years old. >> >> > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >> > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >> > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >> > goes. >> >> >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf >> >> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In >> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you >> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. >> >> Sam Sloan > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. Laugh - Brattleboro, Kipling's town! I have referenced it some 100 times. "I cannot live where I love best, Bombay or Brattleboro." - RK Gawd - I even invited Rynd/Dowd here for a week's free vacation, when he really seemed to need one. 2 people know that, both post here. > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. You are a slut Sloan. A great big slut. And any man who is a man would resent anyone assaulting their wife and children. > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. And this for the record! Internet threats being moderated by FBI. And here is our Sam, spinning away, causually dismissing everything decent, and this is how here choses to celebrate his freedom of speech. I rather expect others will enjoy this sort of thing, but they would not enjoy meeting me. Better then, they write here, than come here. Be very careful not to come here Sloan, since you voluntarily raise the issue of abuse of wife and children, and that is an incitement! Phil Innes > Sam Sloan     Date: 27 Jun 2008 16:28:01 From: Brian Lafferty Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution samsloan wrote: > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> In article <[email protected]>, >>> "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >>> It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >>>> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >>> OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >>> you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >>> at least three years old. >>> I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >>> tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >>> produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >>> goes. >>> http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf >> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In >> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you >> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. >> >> Sam Sloan > > Be very careful in corresponding with Phil Innes. > > A few years ago, if you check the archives to this group, you will see > that Innes complained strenuously when somebody here revealed the name > of the small town in Vermont where he lives. > > Innes wrote that, with this knowledge, somebody might come to his town > and assault his "wife" and his other family members. > > Innes wrote that he had complained to the police and to the FBI and > other law enforcement authorities about this security breech. > > Sam Sloan He's easy enough to locate via Intelius. Perhaps his wife wants to be rescued? ;-)       Date: 27 Jun 2008 15:17:31 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess So naming the town one lives in is grounds for an FBI complaint, but impersonating someone while sexually harassing the daughter of a known organized crime figure is "satire?" -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?   Date: 27 Jun 2008 08:07:32 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 9:39 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]... > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > laugh, me too, in fact not only once! > > While there are those who like to see fights here, it is no prescription - > and actually Francisco I honestly wanted to know your own perspective since > some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or > even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to do > that] > > But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its > interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of > player. > > >> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > at least three years old. > > I just wanted you to illustrate your chessic question by writing about that. > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > goes. > > Cool. I have some very old Kolty 'pamphlets' in the Russian tradition of > treating an opening - typed rather than typeset, and actually very > interesting. I see they were published by Chess Digest 1973, edited by Ken > Smith. Good value if you like games, 52 pages 50 games in his Max Lange > Attack. > > very interesting to me is this line -can you read descriptive? :)) > > 1 p-k4 p-k4 > 2 nkb3 nqb3 > 3 bb4 bb4 > 4 0-0 nb3 > 5 p-q4 pxp > 6 p-k5 > > and here george makes a very interesting comment on the necessity for black > to counter attack and with 6... p-Q4. Then George gives the flavor of the > game by underling that White must continue to attack! Its good stuff! so to > continue a few more moves > > 6. ... p-q4 > 7 pxN pxB > > which george says is forced - and also shows what happens with quite > extensive analysis if 8 pxp rkn1- generally with advantage to black, but > also a somewhat unexplored line [from a 9th move deviation] Dr. Bernstein RG > Wade, Amsterdam 1962. > > one interesting thing is that i have made notes here from about 1 page of > text - and a modern book would expand that to 5 or 6 pages! in fact kolty > seems to have written what would be a plan for a modern book, and in very > dense form. > > is there, to your knowledge any recent exploration of Max Lange in either > play or in print? > > Cordially, Phil Innes Innes shows how little he knows about chess. There have been millions of games played with this line. I have played a few thousand myself. Sam Sloan     Date: 27 Jun 2008 18:09:33 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Jun 27, 9:39 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected]> wrote in >> messagenews:[email protected]... >> >> > In article <[email protected]>, >> > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >> >> > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >> >> laugh, me too, in fact not only once! >> >> While there are those who like to see fights here, it is no >> prescription - >> and actually Francisco I honestly wanted to know your own perspective >> since >> some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or >> even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to >> do >> that] >> >> But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its >> interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of >> player. >> >> >> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >> >> > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >> > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >> > at least three years old. >> >> I just wanted you to illustrate your chessic question by writing about >> that. >> >> > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >> > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >> > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >> > goes. >> >> Cool. I have some very old Kolty 'pamphlets' in the Russian tradition of >> treating an opening - typed rather than typeset, and actually very >> interesting. I see they were published by Chess Digest 1973, edited by >> Ken >> Smith. Good value if you like games, 52 pages 50 games in his Max Lange >> Attack. >> >> very interesting to me is this line -can you read descriptive? :)) >> >> 1 p-k4 p-k4 >> 2 nkb3 nqb3 >> 3 bb4 bb4 >> 4 0-0 nb3 >> 5 p-q4 pxp >> 6 p-k5 >> >> and here george makes a very interesting comment on the necessity for >> black >> to counter attack and with 6... p-Q4. Then George gives the flavor of the >> game by underling that White must continue to attack! Its good stuff! so >> to >> continue a few more moves >> >> 6. ... p-q4 >> 7 pxN pxB >> >> which george says is forced - and also shows what happens with quite >> extensive analysis if 8 pxp rkn1- generally with advantage to black, but >> also a somewhat unexplored line [from a 9th move deviation] Dr. Bernstein >> RG >> Wade, Amsterdam 1962. >> >> one interesting thing is that i have made notes here from about 1 page of >> text - and a modern book would expand that to 5 or 6 pages! in fact kolty >> seems to have written what would be a plan for a modern book, and in very >> dense form. >> >> is there, to your knowledge any recent exploration of Max Lange in either >> play or in print? >> >> Cordially, Phil Innes > > Innes shows how little he knows about chess. > > There have been millions of games played with this line. > > I have played a few thousand myself. Right! So can you answer what I asked, Sloan? If so, why didn't you do it, patzer! R O F L !~ The Max Lange is an extraordinarily aggressive system, and requires sword-to-sword response. If players understand the above sequence of play they could actually talk about their experience in it, rather than suggest they have it :))) White's next move is rk1 or Re1, Sloan, the destroyer, demonstates he can't write on any subject to do with chess, no matter what it is, without the person is responding too becoming a cunt. [The sloan has the inverse pyschological nomine of penis envy.] If Sloan wants to write about chess, then he should bloody do it! Rather than continue his circus-clown impostures. 8. re1! heuch! deal with it or up-shut! no? But talk chess if you can, if you can't ~ run for something? Phil Innes > Sam Sloan   Date: 27 Jun 2008 06:23:49 From: SBD Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? What a rating-obsessed twit.   Date: 27 Jun 2008 06:09:59 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 7:12 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > > at least three years old. > > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > > goes. > > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > Perhaps. But since he cannot read, it's a moot point anyway. > > > All of the old Koltnowski books are now out of print. I cannot even > > find them on Amazon or the other online booksellers. Do you have them? > > I would consider reprinting them if I knew who holds the copyright, if > > any, and if I could obtain copies. > > Chess Enterprises, I believe, was Kolti's last publisher. Is Chess Enterprises, owned by Bob Dudley, still in business? I cannot find them. Sam Sloan   Date: 27 Jun 2008 05:12:12 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > > at least three years old. > > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > > goes. > > >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. Perhaps. But since he cannot read, it's a moot point anyway. > All of the old Koltnowski books are now out of print. I cannot even > find them on Amazon or the other online booksellers. Do you have them? > I would consider reprinting them if I knew who holds the copyright, if > any, and if I could obtain copies. Chess Enterprises, I believe, was Kolti's last publisher.     Date: 27 Jun 2008 17:26:58 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:0b2ae27e-df5b-4b70-8a70-f83cba42ce41@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 27, 6:53 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > In article <[email protected]>, >> > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >> >> > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >> >> > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >> >> > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >> > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >> > at least three years old. >> >> > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >> > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >> > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >> > goes. >> >> >http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf >> >> Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In >> the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you >> will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. > > Perhaps. But since he cannot read, it's a moot point anyway. Excuse me! No hate speech here! When do you think you are? If you insist on it, then I think you found your outlet already at chess life - they don't discriminate. But I have written sensibly to my correspondent, and do not need your 'contributions'. Phil Innes > >> All of the old Koltnowski books are now out of print. I cannot even >> find them on Amazon or the other online booksellers. Do you have them? >> I would consider reprinting them if I knew who holds the copyright, if >> any, and if I could obtain copies. > > Chess Enterprises, I believe, was Kolti's last publisher. >   Date: 27 Jun 2008 04:53:08 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote: > In article <[email protected]>, > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > at least three years old. > > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > goes. > > http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. All of the old Koltnowski books are now out of print. I cannot even find them on Amazon or the other online booksellers. Do you have them? I would consider reprinting them if I knew who holds the copyright, if any, and if I could obtain copies. Sam Sloan     Date: 27 Jun 2008 11:32:53 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Jun 27, 3:42 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected]> wrote: >> In article <[email protected]>, >> "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? >> >> It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". >> >> > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? >> >> OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would >> you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's >> at least three years old. >> >> I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship >> tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being >> produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that >> goes. >> >> http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf > > Do not waste your time and money sending anything to Phil Innes. In > the first place, he will not give you his address, for fear that you > will assault his "wife", or some such nonsense. I wonder why Tony Miles knocked Sam Sloan on his arse? I think the Sloan was daft enough to say something similar to Miles's face - and about his girlfriend. Sloan has learned, and nowadays only says this sort of stuff at a distance :) > All of the old Koltnowski books are now out of print. I cannot even > find them on Amazon or the other online booksellers. Do you have them? > I would consider reprinting them if I knew who holds the copyright, if > any, and if I could obtain copies. I have them or some of them, but for completely other reasons I do not think I will give the Sloan my address. Phil Innes > Sam Sloan   Date: 26 Jun 2008 20:32:01 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 4:46 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > >> I had actually beaten an IM in 1990 - but it was in a simul. > > Is that the norm requirement for "nearly an IM"? > You have to quote other people who use that term, and use it for years, > about a scene 25 years ago, and like you didn't understand that, since these > who obsess about ratings are the only people who mention it - because they > are jealous. What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > Fucking hell! You people are so stuck on this shit, while we do not hear of > you own brilliance! > > So why does Francisco contest anything here? How strong is he? And apologies > to you Francisco, but the usual promoters of this stuff are weaners at > chess, [small dicks] and these people have driven off all the real players > here. > > You a real player? A d player? Cummon, lets here it. I understand an > aggression about strong players, but, but one-line cynical stuff - pfft! And > in a thread where this is a sideline, you gotta be pretty sad to write that. > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? That's the wrong approach, as I've already explained. Instead of "going postal" every time someone brings up one of the many skeletons in your closet, why not instead try what Mr. Swarzennegger did when they nailed him for having abused women? These drug-induced rants do nothing to improve your image, and they certainly are not going to "bury" the fact that lies were told, fabrications put forward as facts. Of course, ideally you would *stop* lying, stop churning out such heinous nonsense, but then, as the man said in the movie Some Like It Hot, "nobody's perfect"! Another horrific blunder is the obvious /inconsistency/ of "defending" the FSS while at the same time tossing out wild speculations that NB somehow must be the alleged stalker of your wife. The ploy was that a man (or woman) is innocent until proved guilty, so everybody should let the FSS slide for years, until the lawsuits are all settled. But is not Neil Brennan -- a lowly Class Z player, to be sure -- entitled to the very same courtesy? Was not the king of FIDE, Kirsan-the-self-important-and -very-wicked, entitled to this, according to our ways? Indeed, the willy-nilly manner in which you allow /your whims/ to dictate what is "right" tells everyone here just what sort of, um, "man" they are dealing with. I'm actually embarrassed for you. My good friend, you are simply delusional if you honestly believe that folks hereabout are jealous of your imaginary title and 2450 rating. You see, nobody here /values/ such things, because they aren't real. What we envy, what we desire is true greatness-- and you haven't got any. So you see, you are quite safe-- no need to flip-out, have a cow and all that. The fact is, jumping in to try and one-up Ray Gordon is akin to out-flying a one-armed chicken; nobody is going to be impressed, even if you somehow manage to succeed. The simplest way out is to just admit, here and now, that you lied; just type the words, and pretend that it doesn't hurt (your ego): "I, Phillip Innes, never was an IM. I never had a 2450 rating either. I made that up to try and impress people, to make them think I was really smart, which I'm not." Just do it. NB can find some other job, doing whatever; delivering pizzas on his bike or something. -- help bot   Date: 26 Jun 2008 20:26:34 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 4:23 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > On Jun 26, 4:46 pm, "ChessOne" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So why does Francisco contest anything here? How strong is he? And apologies > > to you Francisco, but the usual promoters of this stuff are weaners at > >chess, [small dicks] and these people have driven off all the real players > > here. > > > You a real player? A d player? Cummon, lets here it. I understand an > > aggression about strong players, but, but one-line cynical stuff - pfft! And > > in a thread where this is a sideline, you gotta be pretty sad to write that. > > > Try writing onchessand I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > > Phil Innes > > Frisco Del Rosario is an expert, currently rated 2090. > > http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?10987792 > > If there is a grudge match between Frisco and Innes, I am betting on > Frisco. > > Sam Sloan Same here. But Mr. Del Rosario has no need to play vapor 'chessplayers' with vaporware titles.   Date: 26 Jun 2008 19:20:44 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 6:21 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > > Ray has no known feeling for chess, > yet still managed to achieve a 2000 peak rating? Dumb luck? I once threw a ketchup packet and hit the 4" diameter condiment holder from six feet away, in one try! > >except in his own words, he once lost to... > Anatoly Volovich, 2508, on time, from a winning position where I had been > winning the entire opening with a brilliant pawn-sac against a weak line of > the pirc. That's not good. If you needed a "brilliant" sac' to refute a weak line of that opening, then maybe you needed some lessons. > 19. Bxf7+ would have gotten me upset of the year; not finding > that move at age 24 convinced me to pursue another career. Good move. Chess is a pointless game, whereas your new career is undoubtedly of tremendous value to mankind (right?). > The most convenient proof of my ability, as it was published in Chess Life. > I had many wins over masters, and a draw and first-place tie in a quad with > Asa Hoffman. And you say your *peak* rating was just 2000? Let me guess: you couldn't beat the very weak players to save your own life, right? (Better steer clear of GetClub then, or you'll find that you're just outclassed by its "weakitudinality".) > Anyone here ever tie with a 2556-rated player for first place in anything? Does it count if he entered late, took a bye, forfeited three games and then withdrew? No, wait-- he still finished ahead of me, by two full points! > > Mike Murray doesn't give a shit about women in chess, by virtue of never > > expressing himself on the subject, and is content with 'the usual' > > speculations - and ROFL > The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's records. The > FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases > extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. Are you trying to imply that Susan Polgar is the FSS, not Paul Truong? > As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is purely > peripheral and should be viewed in that context. How about some kind of time-frame? Can we, for instance, expect to know the result of the FSS trial in our lifetimes? And if not, is there some way you could signal us the results when they do come through? Thanks! -- help bot   Date: 26 Jun 2008 14:23:08 From: samsloan Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 4:46 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > So why does Francisco contest anything here? How strong is he? And apologies > to you Francisco, but the usual promoters of this stuff are weaners at > chess, [small dicks] and these people have driven off all the real players > here. > > You a real player? A d player? Cummon, lets here it. I understand an > aggression about strong players, but, but one-line cynical stuff - pfft! And > in a thread where this is a sideline, you gotta be pretty sad to write that. > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > Phil Innes Frisco Del Rosario is an expert, currently rated 2090. http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?10987792 If there is a grudge match between Frisco and Innes, I am betting on Frisco. Sam Sloan   Date: 26 Jun 2008 09:15:46 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 10:25 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:ff81889b-d1aa-4541-b631-4e6bda9722a0@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 25, 5:21 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's records. > >> The > >> FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases > >> extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. > > >> As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is purely > >> peripheral and should be viewed in that context. > > > How do you know Phil Innes is not 'involved' in the fake postings? I'm > > not saying he is - there's nothing like the Mottershead Report linking > > him to the fake posts - but, to borrow P Innes' own language for a > > moment, he fits the profile: > > > 1. P Innes has issues with women - he's been divorced twice. > > Gosh! This guy Brennen 'researches' people. Hardly research - your 'history with women' has been reported on this very newsgroup. Stalks them to newsgroups new to > him and stimulates hate-speech there, writes nothing but trash about them in > chess groups, and then continues to say he 'is not saying' and does say! I > don't really think that is any legal ex-culpa! > > Somehow neil Brennan was alert to the first post in this series, and > responded not 5 minutes later ! - Easy enough to do if you are online at the time of the posting. of course, he has cut the spoof aspect of > the post itself, because he was too thick to understand that that is what it > was? And so wants to punish those who can tell what's false from what ain't. > > I rather think that when the silly lawsuit season is over, and rather more > serious ones take over, that a more serious attempt will be made to try on > the profile-suit, and then entirely independent people can assess if it > fits? > > And besides, what [ROFL] would Neil Brennan know about "issues with women?" > ;) > > > 2. He has the computer skills required to make the postings. > > 3. He's a loon, as everyone here knows. > > 4. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > > 5. He has known grievances against USCF and many people, both in chess > > and on the newsgroups. > > Just that last comment alone narrows down the possible constituency to just > 98% of known chess players. > > I respond mostly to record the fact of his activities, so on-going and > subsequent investigation can proceed at leisure, and with a surety unguessed > at here :~ > > Phil Innes     Date: 26 Jun 2008 13:56:17 From: Chess One Subject: Brennon Xganon and the chess these days "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:296448b2-0e94-4ded-9542-5d67bfa59752@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 26, 10:25 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: >> "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> >> news:ff81889b-d1aa-4541-b631-4e6bda9722a0@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Jun 25, 5:21 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's >> >> records. >> >> The >> >> FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases >> >> extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. >> >> >> As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is >> >> purely >> >> peripheral and should be viewed in that context. >> >> > How do you know Phil Innes is not 'involved' in the fake postings? I'm >> > not saying he is - there's nothing like the Mottershead Report linking >> > him to the fake posts - but, to borrow P Innes' own language for a >> > moment, he fits the profile: >> >> > 1. P Innes has issues with women - he's been divorced twice. >> >> Gosh! This guy Brennen 'researches' people. > > Hardly research - your 'history with women' has been reported on this > very newsgroup. A PROFILE? Here Neil Brennen gratuitously reports something about my personal life, just as Susan Polgar's personal life in respect of her kids was recently evoked, speculatively, to negative suggestion, and despite objective inquiry that there was aught amiss. brennen suggests I don't like women, despite promoting women in chess, denies he makes a record of this, is dumb about his own 'orientation' to women in chess, and simply continues to utter his personal 'speculations'. HIS RECORD What every reader should know about Neil Brennen is that about following his posts and only his posts, an anon showed up to abuse my wife in the coursest possible terms - and I do mean explicit talk of sucking and fucking - and that Brennen subsequently accused me of being the author! That is the quality of this person. The Xganon person put the FSS to shame for 'language'. I record Brennen's latest response for the record, Since we are talking profiles, of whom does this remind anyone not scared to speak out against Brennen's retribution - that he would do the same to them? he already stalked Rob Mitchell, and got caught doing so! LIKE WOMEN? Whereas Brennan completely glosses any facts whatever - that of his own 'strange' reponses to Jenn Shahade's book on women in chess, while I supported her writing in a post-publication interview, and that of another woman, the one he popularised here with the term 'Trollgar." Like women? I don't hink so! That is the measure of this poster. I suppose it is merely salutory to know that the truth is always the opposite of what he espouses. Brennan by any measure is guilty of continuous hate-speech [completely illegal in this form in Europe], of substanitated and continuous derogatory remarks to females, to those who respect females, and he projects the gross manifestations of his own psche, including the activities of malicious stalking, wilfull misreprentation of others, and comments of such complete idiocy as his famous comment: "Old English is dead" requiring just 4 words of Old English to state it. NOT EXACTLY BRILL That is the level of his intellectual worth - almost unbelievably stupid, but he is unphased by it, since he truly doesn't understand what idiocy he espouses as in the above example. Here is a stalker and woman-hater, and a hater of those who respect women, a mocking cynic of such dimension that now... CHESS LIFE KZ EDITION ... he is to be published in Chesslife after 5 years of his //demonstrated// grossly insensible commentaries which surely signals the end of the end, and editor Lucas must have his head in the sand or another dark place to even consider representing anything from this 'character'. Naturally, it is all good fun to Brennen to issue hate-speech for 5 years, and there are numbskulls who actually believe what he says and who like it! who cheer him on - they too desiring this jovial-seeming idiocy until death itself occurs. The only effect I see he has in this or other newsgroups is to drive away people who would address any subject on topic - a studied nihilism. POETIC ENDGAME at CD Brennen is net-trash of such disgusting proportion he will, off topic, research you, your life, your family life, your wife! will specualte and rubbish it publicly, and never writes a cogent word on topic. The evidence is that to review any 100 consecustive posts of his, and ask if you would want even your spouse to read it? And now he will write for Chess Life! Chess Dead! The fugitive-like Lucas character should have his head examined. While such disgusting and vile materials now issue from any disgusting mouth about who would progress chess in this country, this is apparently unnoticed by the chess fed itself. Instead it will publish such people. Whether Chess Life continues in any form, here is your new standard, America, of chess journalism, brought to you by your own national socialist foundation to promote the game, though not for the benefit of the players, but for the USCF-er land. Sieg! Phil Innes > Stalks them to newsgroups new to >> him and stimulates hate-speech there, writes nothing but trash about them >> in >> chess groups, and then continues to say he 'is not saying' and does say! >> I >> don't really think that is any legal ex-culpa! >> >> Somehow neil Brennan was alert to the first post in this series, and >> responded not 5 minutes later ! - > > Easy enough to do if you are online at the time of the posting. > > of course, he has cut the spoof aspect of >> the post itself, because he was too thick to understand that that is what >> it >> was? And so wants to punish those who can tell what's false from what >> ain't. >> >> I rather think that when the silly lawsuit season is over, and rather >> more >> serious ones take over, that a more serious attempt will be made to try >> on >> the profile-suit, and then entirely independent people can assess if it >> fits? >> >> And besides, what [ROFL] would Neil Brennan know about "issues with >> women?" >> ;) >> >> > 2. He has the computer skills required to make the postings. >> > 3. He's a loon, as everyone here knows. >> > 4. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." >> > 5. He has known grievances against USCF and many people, both in chess >> > and on the newsgroups. >> >> Just that last comment alone narrows down the possible constituency to >> just >> 98% of known chess players. >> >> I respond mostly to record the fact of his activities, so on-going and >> subsequent investigation can proceed at leisure, and with a surety >> unguessed >> at here :~ >> >> Phil Innes >   Date: 26 Jun 2008 04:48:49 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 5:21 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's records. The > FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases > extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. > > As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is purely > peripheral and should be viewed in that context. How do you know Phil Innes is not 'involved' in the fake postings? I'm not saying he is - there's nothing like the Mottershead Report linking him to the fake posts - but, to borrow P Innes' own language for a moment, he fits the profile: 1. P Innes has issues with women - he's been divorced twice. 2. He has the computer skills required to make the postings. 3. He's a loon, as everyone here knows. 4. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 5. He has known grievances against USCF and many people, both in chess and on the newsgroups.     Date: 26 Jun 2008 11:25:06 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:ff81889b-d1aa-4541-b631-4e6bda9722a0@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 25, 5:21 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's records. >> The >> FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases >> extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. >> >> As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is purely >> peripheral and should be viewed in that context. > > How do you know Phil Innes is not 'involved' in the fake postings? I'm > not saying he is - there's nothing like the Mottershead Report linking > him to the fake posts - but, to borrow P Innes' own language for a > moment, he fits the profile: > > 1. P Innes has issues with women - he's been divorced twice. Gosh! This guy Brennen 'researches' people. Stalks them to newsgroups new to him and stimulates hate-speech there, writes nothing but trash about them in chess groups, and then continues to say he 'is not saying' and does say! I don't really think that is any legal ex-culpa! Somehow neil Brennan was alert to the first post in this series, and responded not 5 minutes later ! - of course, he has cut the spoof aspect of the post itself, because he was too thick to understand that that is what it was? And so wants to punish those who can tell what's false from what ain't. I rather think that when the silly lawsuit season is over, and rather more serious ones take over, that a more serious attempt will be made to try on the profile-suit, and then entirely independent people can assess if it fits? And besides, what [ROFL] would Neil Brennan know about "issues with women?" ;) > 2. He has the computer skills required to make the postings. > 3. He's a loon, as everyone here knows. > 4. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > 5. He has known grievances against USCF and many people, both in chess > and on the newsgroups. Just that last comment alone narrows down the possible constituency to just 98% of known chess players. I respond mostly to record the fact of his activities, so on-going and subsequent investigation can proceed at leisure, and with a surety unguessed at here :~ Phil Innes   Date: 26 Jun 2008 04:32:06 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 4:00 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:20:42 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the > > \"pivot\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>many people said they couldn't understand FSS material as satire either - > >Several female employees of USCF were targeted with sexual harassment by the > >FSS. Explicit remarks were made about these women that went way beyond > >satire. > > Phil prefers to ignore these. > > As a good flack, Did you mean "flake?" his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS > posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will > similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander.   Date: 26 Jun 2008 04:14:22 From: Alex Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 26, 4:04 am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote: > In article <[email protected]>, > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. > > Don't overexert yourself, Sherlock. I post under my real name, and > there's only one such name on the 'net. I do too and Gordon has been a spectacular failure at locating me.   Date: 25 Jun 2008 20:58:57 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 12:03 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > "The Historian" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > > > On Jun 25, 7:19 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The following Press Release has been received from the Mottershead > >> Chess Foundation: > > >> I am pleased to announce a 10.5 million Dollar contribution to chess > >> by the Mottershead Chess Foundation. The contribution will take the > >> form of subscriptions for 2000 USCF-rated players to a top chess web- > >> site, which I am going to start in the next year or two. > > >> This web site is going to be great! It will be inspiring, educational, > >> and funny. Everybody is going to love it! The subscriptions have been > >> valued at $250 per year by a leading chess web-site subscription > >> evaluator (me), and we are glad to be able to underwrite this > >> wonderful new program for supporting chess for the next twenty-one > >> years. > > >> Due to the fact that all the good domain names are taken, the site > >> will have a somewhat long domain name; "you-cant-fool-chess-but-chess- > >> can-fool-you.com". > > > Has Chessville sent a 'reporter' there yet? > > To report what anyone with two functioning brain-cells could see is satire? > That fools many, and fascinatingly, many people said they couldn't > understand FSS material as satire either - there are similarities:- > > eg, a "Sloan g-mail", then certain people responding to it within 5 > minutes! > > As if they would have others take it seriously. As if in fact they were > thicker than 2 short planks, and expect others to be the same. It worked!@ > It completely distracts people who need their doeses of hysteria and > cynicism to orient them to life, and it pleases those who pull their strings > > Same pattern here as there. > > You think you got to the bottom of things, but there you find unplumbed > dumbth beyond any imagination. > > Phil Innes I gather the answer is "No." There's a golden opportunity, P Innes. And since you are a gold-digger, you are the best 'man' - if I may stretch the word to include you - for the job.   Date: 25 Jun 2008 18:27:52 From: HC Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 9:13=EF=BF=BDpm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > >Maybe we can > > Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. > > So much for "just ignore them and they'll go away." =EF=BF=BDLet's see ho= w criminal > complaints work for getting the hint to the cyberbullies that the laws ha= ve > changed. > > As I said before, they act like proud drunk drivers. =EF=BF=BDThe FSS sur= e shut up > fast when its name became known. > > Oh, and harassing a litigant is a separate felony (and predicate RICO) ac= t > punishable by 10-20 in club fed. > > Is a USENET flame war really worth that type of risk? > Have you paid Thom the money the court ordered you to pay him?   Date: 25 Jun 2008 15:20:32 From: help bot Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 5:00 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote: > As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS > posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will > similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander. I really don't believe "good flack" is the appropriate term here. Let me give an example of what might rightly be considered /good/ flackery, except that it was done by the person himself, not his agent: After the mass media got a hold of stories about Arnold Swarzennegger having committed various inappropriate acts, he was questioned point-blank about it; his reply? "You're going to see a new Ahhnold." This more-or-less ended the media's obsession, while a flunky such as nearly-IMnes would naturally have denied any wrongdoing, and that would have led to a continuation of the media circus. Possibly, it boils down to the small matter of intelligence: those who haven't got any convince themselves they can get away with bald-faced lies, with impunity, while those who have a reasonable amount of intelligence recognize the futility of lying and figure out how best to salvage /something/ from the wreckage. For this reason I would think the appropriate term here is apologist, or flunky, or toad-eater. Certainly, a case could be made that nearly- IMnes is *trying* to be a good flack, but trying and doing are two very different things. -- help bot     Date: 25 Jun 2008 16:47:51 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT), help bot <[email protected] > wrote: >On Jun 25, 5:00 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >> As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS >> posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will >> similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander. > I would think the appropriate >term here is apologist, or flunky, or toad-eater. > Certainly, a case could be made that nearly- >IMnes is *trying* to be a good flack, but trying >and doing are two very different things. Very convincing, Bot. I stand corrected.       Date: 25 Jun 2008 17:18:14 From: J.D. Walker Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution Mike Murray wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT), help bot > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jun 25, 5:00 pm, Mike Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS >>> posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will >>> similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander. > >> I would think the appropriate >> term here is apologist, or flunky, or toad-eater. >> Certainly, a case could be made that nearly- >> IMnes is *trying* to be a good flack, but trying >> and doing are two very different things. > > > Very convincing, Bot. I stand corrected. Hmm, I wasn't aware of the term 'toad-eater' until now. Curiosity compelled me to find this explanation: [ http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-toa1.htm ] "[Q] From Roberta Groom in the USA: �I have been re-reading Framley Parsonage by Anthony Trollope and I wonder if you can explain the derivation of the phrase toad-eater? I can deduce what it means but the entire process sounds horrid.� "[A] We have to go back to British market and fairground quack doctors of the seventeenth century and earlier for the origin of this one. It was common for such men to have an assistant to do the dirty work, often somebody young or half-witted or otherwise under the boss�s thumb. As part of their sales pitch, such fake medical men sometimes made their assistants eat (or more usually, pretend to eat) a toad. The common European toad was commonly regarded as poisonous, as the warty glands on its skin secrete a rather nasty milky fluid when the animal is threatened (friends who are into natural history report they�ve handled toads many times and never had any trouble, but then they�ve not actually tried eating one alive; I�m told a dead one isn�t poisonous, provided you strip the skin off first, but the experiment is not to be recommended). The quack doctor would use his nostrums to make an apparently miraculous cure on his assistant and so enhance his reputation and his sales. As a result, toad-eater came to be a nickname for a servile assistant to a showman. By the following century it had generalised into a term for any fawning flatterer or sycophant, and by the nineteenth century was often shortened to toady." Somehow I doubt that Aussies practice this trade with cane toads... [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ENUqV5-bw ] ... as you were lads ... -- "Do that which is right..." Rev. J.D. Walker         Date: 26 Jun 2008 23:25:16 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:18:14 -0700, "J.D. Walker" <[email protected] > wrote: >Hmm, I wasn't aware of the term 'toad-eater' until now. Curiosity >compelled me to find this explanation: >[ http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-toa1.htm ] Reminds me of the old Mason Williams poem: Them Toad Suckers How about Them Toad Suckers, Ain't they clods? Sittin' there suckin' Them green toady-frogs. Suckin' them hop-toads, Suckin' them chunkers, Suckin' them leapy types, Suckin' them plunkers. Look at Them Toad Suckers, Ain't they snappy? Suckin' them bog-frogs Sure makes'em happy. Them huggermugger Toad Suckers, Way down south, Stickin' them sucky-toads In they mouth. How to be a Toad Sucker? No way to duck it. Gittchyself a toad, Rare back and suck it!           Date: 27 Jun 2008 06:49:19 From: J.D. Walker Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution Mike Murray wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:18:14 -0700, "J.D. Walker" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Hmm, I wasn't aware of the term 'toad-eater' until now. Curiosity >> compelled me to find this explanation: > >> [ http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-toa1.htm ] > > Reminds me of the old Mason Williams poem: > > Them Toad Suckers > > How about Them Toad Suckers, > Ain't they clods? > Sittin' there suckin' > Them green toady-frogs. > ... and so on... A nice little poem. I see that toad-eaters, toad-suckers, and toad-lickers all appear in my inquiries. We should attempt to keep them distinctly separated, I believe. I found the following explanation for the term toad-sucker. "The legend behind Toad Suck is that long ago, steam boats traveled the Arkansas River when the water was at the right depth. When it wasn't, the captains and their crew tied up to wait where the Toad Suck Lock and Dam now spans the river near Conway. While they waited, they refreshed themselves at the local tavern. The dismayed folks living nearby were heard to say: "They suck on the bottle 'til they swell up like toads." Hence, the name Toad Suck. The tavern is long gone, but the legend lives on at Toad Suck Daze." [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toad_Suck_Daze ] Perhaps there are other explanations... Toad-licking on the other hand, seems to refer to the practice of licking toad skins "to get high." The drug bufotenin can produce psychedelic reactions that are prized by some. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotenin ] If this practice is determined to be a threat to FIDE anti-drug culture, we may have to test for not only the psychedelic chemistry involved, but also for toads being smuggled into tournaments in the pockets of youngsters. On the other hand, this may be urban legend spawned by anti drug hysteria. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_toads ] If it is true that licking toads is not really a practical means of inducing psychedelic reactions, then perhaps the practice to be feared is "toad-milking." The product of toad milking, after further processing, apparently is used in the religious sacraments of "The Church of the Toad of Light." There is a conflict between religion and the law here, as you can end up in the Big House breaking rock for engaging in toad psychedelics. But, back to word derivations... We have several terms now: toad-eater --- > toadie toad-sucker --- > swollen drunkard toad-licker --- > one who licks toads to get high (urban legend?) toad-milker --- > someone extracting toad venom to create bufotenin toad-worshipper --- > a follower of the Church of the Toad of Light Of these, I believe that toad-eaters, or toadies, along with their puppet-masters -- the chess promoters, are the biggest threat to the chess world. Perhaps toad-milkers will end up being a problem if we get into comprehensive drug testing. Chess tournaments held near the Sonora desert may be the most at risk of toad-milking scandals. Meanwhile... [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Toad ] -- "Do that which is right..." Rev. J.D. Walker   Date: 25 Jun 2008 05:24:16 From: The Historian Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar On Jun 25, 7:19 am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote: > The following Press Release has been received from the Mottershead > Chess Foundation: > > I am pleased to announce a 10.5 million Dollar contribution to chess > by the Mottershead Chess Foundation. The contribution will take the > form of subscriptions for 2000 USCF-rated players to a top chess web- > site, which I am going to start in the next year or two. > > This web site is going to be great! It will be inspiring, educational, > and funny. Everybody is going to love it! The subscriptions have been > valued at $250 per year by a leading chess web-site subscription > evaluator (me), and we are glad to be able to underwrite this > wonderful new program for supporting chess for the next twenty-one > years. > > Due to the fact that all the good domain names are taken, the site > will have a somewhat long domain name; "you-cant-fool-chess-but-chess- > can-fool-you.com". Has Chessville sent a 'reporter' there yet?     Date: 25 Jun 2008 13:03:26 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "The Historian" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Jun 25, 7:19 am, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote: >> The following Press Release has been received from the Mottershead >> Chess Foundation: >> >> I am pleased to announce a 10.5 million Dollar contribution to chess >> by the Mottershead Chess Foundation. The contribution will take the >> form of subscriptions for 2000 USCF-rated players to a top chess web- >> site, which I am going to start in the next year or two. >> >> This web site is going to be great! It will be inspiring, educational, >> and funny. Everybody is going to love it! The subscriptions have been >> valued at $250 per year by a leading chess web-site subscription >> evaluator (me), and we are glad to be able to underwrite this >> wonderful new program for supporting chess for the next twenty-one >> years. >> >> Due to the fact that all the good domain names are taken, the site >> will have a somewhat long domain name; "you-cant-fool-chess-but-chess- >> can-fool-you.com". > > Has Chessville sent a 'reporter' there yet? To report what anyone with two functioning brain-cells could see is satire? That fools many, and fascinatingly, many people said they couldn't understand FSS material as satire either - there are similarities:- eg, a "Sloan g-mail", then certain people responding to it within 5 minutes! As if they would have others take it seriously. As if in fact they were thicker than 2 short planks, and expect others to be the same. It worked!@ It completely distracts people who need their doeses of hysteria and cynicism to orient them to life, and it pleases those who pull their strings Same pattern here as there. You think you got to the bottom of things, but there you find unplumbed dumbth beyond any imagination. Phil Innes       Date: 25 Jun 2008 13:20:42 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess >many people said they couldn't understand FSS material as satire either - Several female employees of USCF were targeted with sexual harassment by the FSS. Explicit remarks were made about these women that went way beyond satire. The EEOC could initiate its own investigation based on the Mottershead Report. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?         Date: 25 Jun 2008 14:00:06 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:20:42 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: >>many people said they couldn't understand FSS material as satire either - >Several female employees of USCF were targeted with sexual harassment by the >FSS. Explicit remarks were made about these women that went way beyond >satire. Phil prefers to ignore these. As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander.           Date: 25 Jun 2008 17:57:07 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:20:42 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the > \"pivot\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>many people said they couldn't understand FSS material as satire either - > >>Several female employees of USCF were targeted with sexual harassment by >>the >>FSS. Explicit remarks were made about these women that went way beyond >>satire. > > Phil prefers to ignore these. Mike Murray does not explain himself as usual, but simply acts like a medium, to know my mind. His basis is apparently Ray, who... :)) Ray's is the debth of appreciation of chess that requires Mike to utter in public, like Ray spoke straight from the old testament. :)) Ray has no known feeling for chess, except in his own words, he once lost to... and in 1990 :) fucking hell! > As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS > posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will > similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander. Mike continues to speculate of who said what, rather than inquire of them if they ever said as he does of them. That is going to be a hard sentence for Mike to parse, so please excuse the crudity in mire direct speech that Mike will get, that Mike doesn't know fuck, but is content to fuck over others nevertheless. Mike Murray doesn't give a shit about women in chess, by virtue of never expressing himself on the subject, and is content with 'the usual' speculations - and ROFL AND R O F L here responds to the FSS like he didn't know it! If Mike Murray had anything else to say, after 400, 600? posts on the subject, he would have come up with something. Instead, this fella 'speculates' still. Okay - so that's his vice. pfft! Phil Innes             Date: 25 Jun 2008 18:21:14 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess > Ray has no known feeling for chess, yet still managed to achieve a 2000 peak rating? >except in his own words, he once lost to... Anatoly Volovich, 2508, on time, from a winning position where I had been winning the entire opening with a brilliant pawn-sac against a weak line of the pirc. 19. Bxf7+ would have gotten me upset of the year; not finding that move at age 24 convinced me to pursue another career. > and in 1990 The most convenient proof of my ability, as it was published in Chess Life. I had many wins over masters, and a draw and first-place tie in a quad with Asa Hoffman. Anyone here ever tie with a 2556-rated player for first place in anything? >> As a good flack, his goal is to call explicit attention to those FSS >> posts easily categorized as harmless satire, hoping most people will >> similarly categorize the remaining FSS filth and slander. > > Mike continues to speculate of who said what, rather than inquire of them > if they ever said as he does of them. That is going to be a hard sentence > for Mike to parse, so please excuse the crudity in mire direct speech that > Mike will get, that Mike doesn't know fuck, but is content to fuck over > others nevertheless. > > Mike Murray doesn't give a shit about women in chess, by virtue of never > expressing himself on the subject, and is content with 'the usual' > speculations - and ROFL The Mottershead Report is not speculation, nor is Suddenlink's records. The FSS posts themselves were not "satire" each time, but in many cases extremely vulgar and targeting female USCF staffers. As Phil is not directly involved, however, the noise he makes is purely peripheral and should be viewed in that context. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?               Date: 25 Jun 2008 17:04:45 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > > Ray has no known feeling for chess, > > yet still managed to achieve a 2000 peak rating? Gordon Roy Parker, you hit 2000 for as long as three weeks, or for as little as an hour. My rating might drop to your peak, and I feel like mutilating myself for that. You're a nobody at chess, Gordon Roy Parker. Anyone who invests a dime in your chess publishing is being robbed. > >except in his own words, he once lost to... > > Anatoly Volovich, 2508, on time, from a winning position where I had been > winning the entire opening with a brilliant pawn-sac against a weak line of Your greatest chess accomplishment is a LOSS in a *blitz game*, Gordon Roy Parker. Loser at chess, 0-21 in court, seduction guru who can't be photographed with a girl, chased out of gymnastics newsgroups and exotic dancer social networks for being a stalking, psycho creep. > the pirc. 19. Bxf7+ would have gotten me upset of the year; not finding > that move at age 24 convinced me to pursue another career. How's that "another career" going, Gordon Roy? Made enough money yet to pay Thom Geiger the money the court ordered you to pay him? Bring half the money you owe Thom Geiger to the World Open next weekend, and I'll bring the other half. Maybe we can play chess.                 Date: 26 Jun 2008 09:24:49 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > In article <[email protected]>, >> Anatoly Volovich, 2508, on time, from a winning position where I had been >> winning the entire opening with a brilliant pawn-sac against a weak line >> of > > Your greatest chess accomplishment is a LOSS in a *blitz game*, Gordon > Roy Parker. I had actually beaten an IM in 1990 - but it was in a simul. To my credit the guy had written 4 books on the Sicilian, so I played it having noticed that for some inexplicable reason he had ommited Larsen's line [Be6] in the Pelikan, and I was an expert Pelikan player by virtue of having confused every line in it with every other for the 30 years. Actually, he had been walking around in a circle in the sun for a couple hours, down on Nassau St in Priceton, and was clearly very tired, so a piece up, 6 moves before the end I offered him a draw with a forced-win on the board. That was big of me, no? Phil Innes ps: seduction newsgroup eliminated - if Ray/Roy is any estimate of who goes there... <gulp >                   Date: 26 Jun 2008 06:41:40 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > I had actually beaten an IM in 1990 - but it was in a simul. Is that the norm requirement for "nearly an IM"?                     Date: 26 Jun 2008 16:46:18 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > In article <[email protected]>, > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I had actually beaten an IM in 1990 - but it was in a simul. > > Is that the norm requirement for "nearly an IM"? You have to quote other people who use that term, and use it for years, about a scene 25 years ago, and like you didn't understand that, since these who obsess about ratings are the only people who mention it - because they are jealous. What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? Fucking hell! You people are so stuck on this shit, while we do not hear of you own brilliance! So why does Francisco contest anything here? How strong is he? And apologies to you Francisco, but the usual promoters of this stuff are weaners at chess, [small dicks] and these people have driven off all the real players here. You a real player? A d player? Cummon, lets here it. I understand an aggression about strong players, but, but one-line cynical stuff - pfft! And in a thread where this is a sideline, you gotta be pretty sad to write that. Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? Phil Innes                       Date: 28 Jun 2008 11:18:04 From: nobody Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess Chess One wrote: > > "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > In article <[email protected]>, > > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I had actually beaten an IM in 1990 - but it was in a simul. > > > > Is that the norm requirement for "nearly an IM"? > > You have to quote other people who use that term, and use it for years, > about a scene 25 years ago, and like you didn't understand that, since these > who obsess about ratings are the only people who mention it - because they > are jealous. What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? Yeah! that's it Phil, Frisco's just a small-dicked jealous weakie & he's just crowing cuz Spain beat Russia 3 - 0. Yeah.. > Fucking hell! You people are so stuck on this shit, while we do not hear of > you own brilliance! Fucken right Phil! You tell 'em.. > So why does Francisco contest anything here? How strong is he? And apologies > to you Francisco, but the usual promoters of this stuff are weaners at > chess, [small dicks] and these people have driven off all the real players > here. > You a real player? A d player? Cummon, lets here it. I understand an > aggression about strong players, but, but one-line cynical stuff - pfft! And > in a thread where this is a sideline, you gotta be pretty sad to write that. > > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > Phil Innes                       Date: 27 Jun 2008 01:42:33 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's at least three years old. I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that goes. http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf                         Date: 27 Jun 2008 12:58:55 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". And he bragged as if my peak 2000 rating (earned 18 months after my first rated game) were no accomplishment. How long did it take him to get there? Never mind that the prize money for everything 2400 and under is the same, and there is no incentive to move up in class in the US. The truly smart chessplayers, quit. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?                           Date: 28 Jun 2008 04:27:42 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". > > And he bragged as if my peak 2000 rating (earned 18 months after my first > rated game) were no accomplishment. Gordon Roy, the difference is that while you hit 2000 for 15 minutes and are ridiculously proud of that, I've been there for 15 or 20 years and hate the fact that I didn't make 2200, a number I equate with "not a fish". > Never mind that the prize money for everything 2400 and under is the same, Have you ever won prize money at chess, Gordon Roy? Can you use it to pay Thom Geiger the money that the court ordered you to pay him? Like I offered, I'll bring half of what you owe to Thom Geiger to the World Open. All you have to do is leave your apartment across town and come pick it up. And maybe we can play chess for fun or profit. > The truly smart chessplayers, quit. That, Gordon Roy Parker, is maybe the only intelligent thing you've ever said. I agree with that entirely. It's a darn shame that while you were smart enough to quit chess, you then devoted your life to barratry and stalking underage gymnasts.                             Date: 28 Jun 2008 17:25:04 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess >> And he bragged as if my peak 2000 rating (earned 18 months after my first >> rated game) were no accomplishment. > > the difference is that while you hit 2000 for 15 minutes and > are ridiculously proud of that, I've been there for 15 or 20 years Exactly. I spent FOUR years playing in chess tournaments, not 20 wasting valuable time. Had I played for 20 years, at the rate at which I was improving, I'd be about 2900 now. Does the previous poster know he's shown sympathy to people who have (unrelated to the sympathy) links to white supremacists? I assume he's not a white supremacist, so I find it odd that he wouldn't speak out against it. Unless he's too dumb to do his background checking on his internet friends, that is. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?                               Date: 28 Jun 2008 17:16:31 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Gordon Ray Parker would be rated about 2900!, according to the mentally ill netkook In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > Had I played for 20 years, at the rate at which I was > improving, I'd be about 2900 now. Really, Gordon Roy? That must say something about how playing chess is good exercise for one's brain, and might've put off your disabling mental illness. The last mentally ill kook I knew who said he'd hit 2800 or more at chess believed it was his practice of an Eastern religion that was the secret. He threw himself off a Bay Area bridge, which will probably be your next step when you finally, inevitably snap, Gordon Roy. > Does the previous poster know he's shown sympathy to people who have > (unrelated to the sympathy) links to white supremacists? You idiot. The only supremacist around here is you, calling yourself a genius, and the inventor of this, and the original that. > I assume he's not a white supremacist, so I find it odd that he wouldn't > speak out against it. Unless he's too dumb to do his background checking on > his internet friends, that is. I wouldn't call them my friends, Gordon Roy. What we have in common is that we're laughing at you. Why haven't you paid Thom Geiger the money the court ordered you to pay him? Come to the World Open in your backyard, Gordon Roy, and I'll put up half of what you owe Thom Geiger. You're a worthless piece of shit, Parker. You wouldn't leave your apartment if there were a pretty, smiling woman on the corner handing out $100 bills.                                 Date: 28 Jun 2008 20:56:11 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me As the law restricts my ability to respond in kind, or to escalate, my only recourse is to first request this user stop, and then report it to police if it continues. I already have several causes of action for a civil lawsuit at my disposal. The user's purported e-mail address is also bouncing as invalid, so its postings will be construed as anonymous. Like the FSS, this poster seems to think it can do this forever without consequence. You think someone who claims to be so intelligent would know better. Apparently his ego isn't so evolved. Don't worry, that can be changed. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?                                   Date: 28 Jun 2008 18:15:42 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Please stop harassing and defaming me In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > I already have several causes of action for a civil lawsuit > at my disposal. Gordon Roy, please pay attention. I am raising your bluff. Bring it on, or fold your hand, loser. > The user's purported e-mail address is also bouncing as invalid, so its > postings will be construed as anonymous. How stupid can you be, Gordon Roy? The bit that says [email protected]? Take off the NO part. Have you Googled "Frisco Del Rosario" to see how "anonymous" I am? Have you tried the phone directory for San Mateo, California? > Like the FSS, this poster seems to think it can do this forever without > consequence. In fact, I think I can. Because it's such a hoot to watch you bluster and fume and snort, but back down from any challenge, or otherwise fail. Why haven't you paid Thom Geiger the money you owe him, 2900-rated Gordon Roy Parker?                         Date: 27 Jun 2008 10:39:50 From: Chess One Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Frisco Del Rosario" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > In article <[email protected]>, > "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What is this to you Francisco? Are you a d player too? > > It's just "Frisco". I was once "nearly a 2200 player". laugh, me too, in fact not only once! While there are those who like to see fights here, it is no prescription - and actually Francisco I honestly wanted to know your own perspective since some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to do that] But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of player. >> Try writing on chess and I'll tell you what your rating is, Okay? > > OK, Phil. Shall I send you a copy of "A First Book of Morphy", or would > you like a few years of my California Chess Journals? But all of that's > at least three years old. I just wanted you to illustrate your chessic question by writing about that. > I'm publishing a weekly bulletin for the Kolty Chess Club Championship > tournament going on now -- want that? Not the greatest -- for being > produced weekly -- an experienced journalist like you knows how that > goes. Cool. I have some very old Kolty 'pamphlets' in the Russian tradition of treating an opening - typed rather than typeset, and actually very interesting. I see they were published by Chess Digest 1973, edited by Ken Smith. Good value if you like games, 52 pages 50 games in his Max Lange Attack. very interesting to me is this line -can you read descriptive? :)) 1 p-k4 p-k4 2 nkb3 nqb3 3 bb4 bb4 4 0-0 nb3 5 p-q4 pxp 6 p-k5 and here george makes a very interesting comment on the necessity for black to counter attack and with 6... p-Q4. Then George gives the flavor of the game by underling that White must continue to attack! Its good stuff! so to continue a few more moves 6. ... p-q4 7 pxN pxB which george says is forced - and also shows what happens with quite extensive analysis if 8 pxp rkn1- generally with advantage to black, but also a somewhat unexplored line [from a 9th move deviation] Dr. Bernstein RG Wade, Amsterdam 1962. one interesting thing is that i have made notes here from about 1 page of text - and a modern book would expand that to 5 or 6 pages! in fact kolty seems to have written what would be a plan for a modern book, and in very dense form. is there, to your knowledge any recent exploration of Max Lange in either play or in print? Cordially, Phil Innes > http://www.friscodelrosario.net/kolty2008_1.pdf                           Date: 28 Jun 2008 00:25:00 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote: > actually Francisco Frisco. My grandfather's name was "Prisco", the masculine form of "Priscilla". The US Army decided the dumbass Filipino couldn't spell his own name, and they changed it to "Frisco". > I honestly wanted to know your own perspective since > some people write from the point of view of TD's or event organisers, or > even just as spectators [eg, many writers on the subject of draws seem to do > that] > > But I /thought/ you had a player's orientation, and when that occurs its > interesting to see what level of writing satisfies certains strengths of > player. I think good chess writing isn't determined by the title or rating of the author. I think good written chess analysis is thematic, where most of the notes are bound to the lesson or the point the writer feels the game makes. I am satisfied by chess writing that is pithy, and especially that which makes good use of analogy. Chess is a difficult thing to understand, and analogy ought to make something difficult more easily grasped.                             Date: 28 Jun 2008 20:46:51 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess > I think good chess writing isn't determined by the title or rating of > > the author. Unless it suits his need to flame someone lower-rated. -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?                             Date: 28 Jun 2008 12:17:17 From: Mike Murray Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:25:00 -0700, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote: >I am satisfied by chess writing that is pithy, and especially that which >makes good use of analogy. Pithy? Well, yeth, Inneth' workth thertainly qualify. But analogy? He doethn't believe in it.                 Date: 25 Jun 2008 21:13:17 From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess >Maybe we can Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. So much for "just ignore them and they'll go away." Let's see how criminal complaints work for getting the hint to the cyberbullies that the laws have changed. As I said before, they act like proud drunk drivers. The FSS sure shut up fast when its name became known. Oh, and harassing a litigant is a separate felony (and predicate RICO) act punishable by 10-20 in club fed. Is a USENET flame war really worth that type of risk? -- -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru Finding Your A-Game: http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make from what they teach. Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?                   Date: 26 Jun 2008 18:09:39 From: Ted E Bear Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Ray Gordon, prolific prevaricator" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > >Maybe we can > > Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. > Let's see you get his address from Prodigy. Last I heard, they were fighting supoenas. > So much for "just ignore them and they'll go away." Let's see how > criminal complaints work for getting the hint to the cyberbullies that the > laws have changed. > OMG, you are still threatening criminal complaints? Are you that damaged or just terminally stupid? > As I said before, they act like proud drunk drivers. The FSS sure shut up > fast when its name became known. He must be terrified of your legal prowness.....or your bad breath. > > Oh, and harassing a litigant is a separate felony (and predicate RICO) act > punishable by 10-20 in club fed. It's not a RICO predicate act, and you apparently wouldn't know one if it bit you in the ass. > > Is a USENET flame war really worth that type of risk? > Does a USENET flame war really rise to the level of a Federal Lawsuit? I think not..... > > -- > -- > Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru > > Finding Your A-Game: > http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html > Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!) > The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From > > Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter: > http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf > > Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice) > http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing > > Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods > which > no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make > from what they teach. > > Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS: > http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187 > > Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight > contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid > targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and > ruined > their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about? > Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                     Date: 27 Jun 2008 06:06:01 From: Krus T. Olfard Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess "Ted E Bear" <[email protected] > wrote in news:[email protected]: >> Oh, and harassing a litigant is a separate felony (and predicate >> RICO) act punishable by 10-20 in club fed. > > It's not a RICO predicate act, and you apparently wouldn't know one if > it bit you in the ass. > He has shown both the courts and every person who can read and likes a laugh that he has absolutely no actual understanding of what RICO is and how it functions. Yet he keeps making these threats of legal action against anyone who criticizes his bullshit. Whatta effin' loser! -- I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send me money. The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.                   Date: 26 Jun 2008 01:04:05 From: Frisco Del Rosario Subject: Re: Mottershead Chess Foundation announces 10.5 Million Dollar Contribution to Chess In article <[email protected] >, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <[email protected] > wrote: > Let's see who Prodigy says is harassing me before we do anything. Don't overexert yourself, Sherlock. I post under my real name, and there's only one such name on the 'net.                   Date: 26 Jun 2008 03:38:51 From: Krus T. Olfard Subject: Re: gordy roy parker tries to seem as if he is a lawyer... kinda funny, pathetic but funny... gordy roy parker, who has acknowledged that he is NOT the creator of the concept of the pivot in earlier posts, whined: > > Oh, and harassing a litigant is a separate felony (and predicate RICO) > act punishable by 10-20 in club fed. > > So are you claiming that if you have ANY kooksuit going then no one can call you an abrasive asshole without going to jail? So are you claiming that if you have ANY kooksuit going then no one can call you a legal buffoon and newzloon without going to jail? Where, exactly, did you pass your bar exam, gordy roy parker of the fairfax dump parkers? -- I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send me money. The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.