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Date: 10 Feb 2008 03:25:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
Today I think the time has come to Celebrate the best games played by
GetClub Chess.

I saw last 10 games all of them won by GetClub Except one game where a
person was able to draw rest all were won by Beginner Level.

Now even Help Bot will find it difficult to win the Beginner Level.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Only those using Computer to analyze will be able to win.

I think there may be 4-5 players who can still beat the Beginner
Level, But they have to think longer just like they play in a serious
game. So Beginner will play in 5-10 seconds, And you have to think
40-60 seconds per move then only you may win.

And for Easy & Normal Level you will never be able to win unless you
use Computer help or are a real Genious.

Here is the updated ratings to each level I give

These are the min rating I can give, I have given -100 to each Level
so that no one blame me that rating is wrong.

Beginner: 5-10 seconds/move [2000 Rating]
Easy: 20-40 seconds/move [2100 Rating]
Normal: 1-2 min/move [2200 Rating]
Master: 5-10 min/move [2300 Rating]

So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html







 
Date: 14 Feb 2008 09:48:22
From: chipschap@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
> In order to make a fairer comparison, or if
> you prefer, for Sanny's contraption not to get
> massacred before its opponent gets beyond
> its openings book, can the book simply be
> disabled?

Little's book can be very easily turned off. I might try that given
time, when I am in a mood to be annoyed by Sanny's website. Of
course, in the trial game published above, Sanny's opening moves were
rather odd and Little went out of book in just a few moves.

> Personally, I am amazed at the increase
> in speed from yesteryear

Certainly the program now seems to respect advertised times to a much
better degree, and indeed plays far better than before, if still quite
short of "genious".



 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 15:52:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 13, 10:00 am, "chipsc...@gmail.com" <chipsc...@gmail.com >
wrote:

> The only real playing difference is that Little's default opening book
> is a bit larger, perhaps a thousand positions or so. My offshoot from
> Faile priily added user and usability features. The evaluation
> function is exactly the same.

In order to make a fairer comparison, or if
you prefer, for Sanny's contraption not to get
massacred before its opponent gets beyond
its openings book, can the book simply be
disabled? The GetClub program's book is a
bit of a joke, so the eval. function starts off
with horrible positions in nine out of ten
games.


> > `Doctor, it hurts every time I go to Sanny's website.'
> > `Well don't do that, then.'
>
> Yes, but the things we do in the pursuit of knowledge ......

In the pursuit of ...something..., I have
noticed that Sanny's program has gotten a
whole lot tougher recently; however, it is
still a duffer in the openings and endgame.

Putting an estimated USCF-rating on such
a mess is quite a difficult task; how many
human players do you know who botch the
openings, hide their King in a corner in the
endgame, yet are dangerous tacticians in
some circumstances?

Personally, I am amazed at the increase
in speed from yesteryear; the display now
indicates a search depth in the teens, and
just yesterday, it "resigned" against me after
actually seeing a mate-in-three coming
(albeit on the Master level).


-- help bot




 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 10:48:27
From: chipschap@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.

> > That is true for a prediction in advance.
>
> That's the only sort of prediction there is! :-) (`Predict' is from
> the Latin `praedicere': `prae-' meaning `before' and `dicere', to say
> or tell.)

That is certainly the correct etymology, but in practical life I find
that prediction in arrears is generally more successful :) What would
one call it --- postdiction, I suppose?


 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 08:19:31
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
Play a few games 4/5 Then only we can find real rating og GetClub
Chess. It is not easy to tell rating based on single game.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Yesterday the GetClub Game was developed as two bugs were found. So
now it will play much improved game, and will be difficult to win.

Incase you still find any wrong move tell me So that I remove that.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 08:13:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 13, 8:00=A0pm, "chipsc...@gmail.com" <chipsc...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > Ratings are only comparable within a single site or pool of players.
> > There's no reason to expect an ICC rating of 2200 to mean anything
> > when compared to Sanny's pulled-out-of-his-ass rating of 2000.
>
> Yes, I do agree and I probably should have not made a comparison.
>
> > Your phrasing is unclear but it sounds like the ICC rating of 2200
> > applies to Faile, not to Little. =A0Is there any reason to expect Little=

> > to have a similar rating to Faile?

Yesterday 2 bugs were removed So now GetClub Chess will play much
better. And I think Beginner is just 2000 Rated. To know exact Rating
of Beginner Play 5 Games and See who wins the most games out of 5
Games.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Chess Rating can not be dictacted by just 1/2 games. Now GetClub
program plays fairly well.

And still there is hope of improvement. If you find any wrong move
tell me so that it do not do that mistake again.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 07:00:54
From: chipschap@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.

> Ratings are only comparable within a single site or pool of players.
> There's no reason to expect an ICC rating of 2200 to mean anything
> when compared to Sanny's pulled-out-of-his-ass rating of 2000.

Yes, I do agree and I probably should have not made a comparison.

> Your phrasing is unclear but it sounds like the ICC rating of 2200
> applies to Faile, not to Little. Is there any reason to expect Little
> to have a similar rating to Faile?

The only real playing difference is that Little's default opening book
is a bit larger, perhaps a thousand positions or so. My offshoot from
Faile priily added user and usability features. The evaluation
function is exactly the same.

> Even if it does (or if the 2200 you quote is actually for Little),
> you'd only expect it to apply for games at the same time control and
> on similar hardware.

Again, correct. My only data point here (of my own) is play on FICS,
on an even older computer (450 Mhz) where at a 5/0 time limit Little
managed about a 2000 FICS rating over a series of about 100 games.
Translated to 10/0 time limit on a 750 Mhz computer --- who knows?
And its an FICS blitz number in any case.

> In short, it's impossible to say anything about how well Little should
> do against Sanny's engine without a whole lot more information.

That is true for a prediction in advance. Based on the one game I
played out, though, Little is easily better than GC beginner level.

> `Doctor, it hurts every time I go to Sanny's website.'
> `Well don't do that, then.'

Yes, but the things we do in the pursuit of knowledge ......


  
Date: 13 Feb 2008 15:41:05
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
chipschap@gmail.com <chipschap@gmail.com > wrote:
> David Richerby wrote:
>> Your phrasing is unclear but it sounds like the ICC rating of 2200
>> applies to Faile, not to Little. Is there any reason to expect
>> Little to have a similar rating to Faile?
>
> The only real playing difference is that Little's default opening
> book is a bit larger, perhaps a thousand positions or so. My
> offshoot from Faile priily added user and usability features.
> The evaluation function is exactly the same.

Aha -- thanks for the clarification. So, if anything, Little should
be slightly stronger than Faile, assuming that its book is better, as
well as bigger. :-)

> That is true for a prediction in advance.

That's the only sort of prediction there is! :-) (`Predict' is from
the Latin `praedicere': `prae-' meaning `before' and `dicere', to say
or tell.)


Dave.

--
David Richerby Pickled Soap (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ personal hygiene product but it's
preserved in vinegar!


 
Date: 13 Feb 2008 05:11:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 13, 9:53=A0am, help bot <nomorech...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:25 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Today I think the time has come to Celebrate the best games played by
> >GetClubChess.
>
> > I saw last 10 games all of them won byGetClubExcept one game where a
> > person was able to draw rest all were won by Beginner Level.
>
> > Now even Help Bot will find it difficult to win the Beginner Level.
>
> =A0 Nah. =A0I merely trade down to an equal King and
> pawns ending, then win *automatically* as the
> program hides its King in a corner! =A0:>D
>
> > Here is the updated ratings to each level I give
>
> > These are the min rating I can give, I have given -100 to each Level
> > so that no one blame me that rating is wrong.
>
> > Beginner: 5-10 seconds/move [2000 Rating]
> > Easy: 20-40 seconds/move [2100 Rating]
> > Normal: 1-2 min/move [2200 Rating]
> > Master: 5-10 min/move [2300 Rating]
>
> =A0 Although there have been significant gains,
> I seriously doubt the program would rate this
> high, if for no other reasons than:
>
> =A01. It lacks a decent openings book;
>
> =A02. It has virtually no endgame ability;
>
> =A03. There is no time limit placed on the
> =A0 =A0human opponent-- unlike in real-life
> =A0 =A0competitions where the clock can
> =A0 =A0"force" errors.
>
> > So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
> > any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.
>
> =A0 Not from what I've seen.
>
> =A0 -- help bot

Todat 2 bugs were removed So you can find better games from tommorow.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 12 Feb 2008 20:59:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 12, 10:49 pm, "chipsc...@gmail.com" <chipsc...@gmail.com >
wrote:

> Here is a game I played out on GetClub. GetClub was White at the
> 'beginner' level which Sanny calls 2000 rating. Black was the
> computer program "Little" (an offshoot of "Faile") with a small
> opening book, and set for a time limit of 10/0 (game in 10 minutes).
> The original author of Faile estimates its strength at something under
> 2200 on ICC, based on his testing on that site. So if Sanny is right
> this should be a pretty even match.

The problem here is that the other program is
running at "normal" speed, while Sanny's GC
program is a slow-as-molasses Java applet.

Judging from the display, it takes Sanny's
program ten minutes of hard thinking just to
get to where some programs were when the
display first updated, showing zero seconds
elapsed... .


-- help bot



 
Date: 12 Feb 2008 20:53:07
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 6:25 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Today I think the time has come to Celebrate the best games played by
> GetClub Chess.
>
> I saw last 10 games all of them won by GetClub Except one game where a
> person was able to draw rest all were won by Beginner Level.
>
> Now even Help Bot will find it difficult to win the Beginner Level.

Nah. I merely trade down to an equal King and
pawns ending, then win *automatically* as the
program hides its King in a corner! : >D


> Here is the updated ratings to each level I give
>
> These are the min rating I can give, I have given -100 to each Level
> so that no one blame me that rating is wrong.
>
> Beginner: 5-10 seconds/move [2000 Rating]
> Easy: 20-40 seconds/move [2100 Rating]
> Normal: 1-2 min/move [2200 Rating]
> Master: 5-10 min/move [2300 Rating]

Although there have been significant gains,
I seriously doubt the program would rate this
high, if for no other reasons than:

1. It lacks a decent openings book;

2. It has virtually no endgame ability;

3. There is no time limit placed on the
human opponent-- unlike in real-life
competitions where the clock can
"force" errors.


> So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
> any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.

Not from what I've seen.


-- help bot



 
Date: 12 Feb 2008 19:49:18
From: chipschap@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
Here is a game I played out on GetClub. GetClub was White at the
'beginner' level which Sanny calls 2000 rating. Black was the
computer program "Little" (an offshoot of "Faile") with a small
opening book, and set for a time limit of 10/0 (game in 10 minutes).
The original author of Faile estimates its strength at something under
2200 on ICC, based on his testing on that site. So if Sanny is right
this should be a pretty even match. Little is playing on an old 750
MHz Pentium running the latest Ubuntu Linux with system memory of
512MB and not much else going on except Firefox. By the way: the
Linux binary for Little is just 30k in size.

[Event "Game"]
[Site "GetClub"]
[Date "02/12/2008"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GetClub Beginner"]
[Black "Little Computer"]
[Result "0-1"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Ne5 e6 4.d4 Bb4 5.Bg5 O-O 6.Qd3 Nbd7 7.Nf3 c5
8.e3 c4 9.
Qd1 Qa5 10.Be2 Ne4 11.O-O Nxc3 12.bxc3 Bxc3 13.Rc1 Qxa2 14.h4 Bb2
15.Rb1 Nf6
16.Bxf6 gxf6 17.h5 Rd8 18.h6 a5 19.Nh2 f5 20.Nf3 Qa3 21.Kh1 Bc3 22.Ng5
f6 23.
Nxe6 Bxe6 24.Rxb7 Bb4 25.Rg7+ Kh8 26.Rg3 Qb2 27.f4 a4 28.Rgf3 a3
29.Qc1 Bc3 30.
g4 fxg4 31.Rg3 a2 32.Qxb2 Bxb2 33.Bxg4 Rg8 34.f5 Bxf5 35.Rxf5 a1=Q+
36.Rg1 Qa3
37.Rf3 Qc3 38.Rh3 f5 39.Bxf5 Rxg1+ 40.Kxg1 Qd2 41.Rf3 Rg8+ 42.Bg4
Rxg4+ 0-1

Although there is some interesting play here, and in fact GetClub
*does* seem to have come a long way, Little easily wins the game.
What does that mean about GetClub Beginner rating? Whatever it is, it
is not 2000. (To be fair, Little hardly seemed to play at the 2000
level either, though the 10/0 time limit caused it to rush its moves
toward the end.) By the way, at the end of the game, GetClub didn't
say it resigned, it just said "the game is over" and the board
disappeared.

I should now try the next level up on GetClub, but I can hardly stand
it, with the terrible move interface, the annoying attempts at pop-up
windows, the obnoxious sound effects, and the generally trashy
appearance of the site.

I am curious, where did the name GetClub ever come from?


  
Date: 13 Feb 2008 12:01:39
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
chipschap@gmail.com <chipschap@gmail.com > wrote:
> Here is a game I played out on GetClub. GetClub was White at the
> 'beginner' level which Sanny calls 2000 rating. Black was the
> computer program "Little" (an offshoot of "Faile") with a small
> opening book, and set for a time limit of 10/0 (game in 10 minutes).
> The original author of Faile estimates its strength at something
> under 2200 on ICC, based on his testing on that site. So if Sanny
> is right this should be a pretty even match. Little is playing on
> an old 750 MHz Pentium

Ratings are only comparable within a single site or pool of players.
There's no reason to expect an ICC rating of 2200 to mean anything
when compared to Sanny's pulled-out-of-his-ass rating of 2000.

Your phrasing is unclear but it sounds like the ICC rating of 2200
applies to Faile, not to Little. Is there any reason to expect Little
to have a similar rating to Faile?

Even if it does (or if the 2200 you quote is actually for Little),
you'd only expect it to apply for games at the same time control and
on similar hardware.

In short, it's impossible to say anything about how well Little should
do against Sanny's engine without a whole lot more information.

> (To be fair, Little hardly seemed to play at the 2000 level either,
> though the 10/0 time limit caused it to rush its moves toward the
> end.)

There is no `2000 level'. (There is only Zhul.)

> I should now try the next level up on GetClub, but I can hardly
> stand it, with the terrible move interface, the annoying attempts at
> pop-up windows, the obnoxious sound effects, and the generally
> trashy appearance of the site.

`Doctor, it hurts every time I go to Sanny's website.'
`Well don't do that, then.'


Dave.

--
David Richerby Unholy Happy Radio (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ radio that makes your troubles melt
away but it's also a crime against
nature!


 
Date: 11 Feb 2008 07:14:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
> maybe a genious would? one with 48 hours on his hoands? pi
>
> ps: since sanny is essentially [though entertaining] spam, i cut outchess
> politics from the distribution, since those people do not understand their
> spam from their howdah

One Genious Bonsai was able to Win the Normal Level, Anyone else who
can win Normal Level?

Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
Why I found Blacks Pawns was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}

Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?

Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16276&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10} Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}
32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16276&game=Chess

31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.

But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.

What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 11 Feb 2008 01:43:48
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 11, 4:17 am, Stephan Bird <Usenet02-2...@stephanbird.org.uk >
wrote:

> Well, I'm not sure about the second sentence here. Books like Burgess'
> "The Quickest Chess Victories of all time" (ISBN 1-85744-538-4) are full
> of quick wins and mates, even in the highest levels. For instance
>
> [Event "?"]
> [Site "Vienna"]
> [Date "1910.??.??"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "Reti"]
> [Black "Tartakower"]
> [Result "1-0"]
>
> 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Qd3 e5 6. dxe5 Qa5+ 7. Bd2
> Qxe5 8. O-O-O Nxe4 9. Qd8+ Kxd8 10. Bg5+ {10. ... Kc7 11.Bd8#, or 10. ...
> Ke8 11. Rd8#)


True enough.

But it is hard to compare an unexpected
Queen sac' followed by an equally
unexpected checkmate, to Sanny's game.

I played over it and he had just left a piece
/en prise/, which the program had just
captured, and only /then/ did the program
threaten an *obvious* mate-in-one, which of
course Sanny did not see (just as he did
not seem to see much of anything). In sum,
he was beaten like a carrot.

I've played the Caro-Kan many times at
GetClub, but I have never responded to a
stupid move like Mr. Tartakower's Q-d3 by
flinging out ...e5 and then getting micro-
miniaturized! Yet the fact that such a
famous master has played this move is
quite interesting; I have frequently noted
that one of the problems with the GC
program is its tendency for premature
and stupid Queen moves like that one,
and this demonstrates that Sanny's
creation has now reached about the same
level as the old masters. Just one small
slip (...Nxe4??) and I'm sure his program
would find the mate-in-two on the higher
levels.


-- help bot


 
Date: 11 Feb 2008 03:17:12
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:52:02 -0500 in
JqmdnaN80o2OHTLanZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com "Chess One"
<OneChess@comcast.net > wrote:

> Almost [every?] thing Sanny says is not true. If Sanny loses to a 12
> move mate, then he is what? 800? 600? His program seems to be 1200 based
> on results against opponents, which considering his own rating is merely
> the extent of the program's opening book.

Well, I'm not sure about the second sentence here. Books like Burgess'
"The Quickest Chess Victories of all time" (ISBN 1-85744-538-4) are full
of quick wins and mates, even in the highest levels. For instance

[Event "?"]
[Site "Vienna"]
[Date "1910.??.??"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Reti"]
[Black "Tartakower"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Qd3 e5 6. dxe5 Qa5+ 7. Bd2
Qxe5 8. O-O-O Nxe4 9. Qd8+ Kxd8 10. Bg5+ {10. ... Kc7 11.Bd8#, or 10. ...
Ke8 11. Rd8#)



Stephan
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Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
stephan.j.bird@mad.scientist.comREMOVE
Currently in Caernarfon, Wales.


 
Date: 11 Feb 2008 00:25:02
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 5:52 pm, "Chess One" <OneCh...@comcast.net > wrote:

> But Sanny talks of all sorts of exhaulted things for it, which after 2 years
> of 'even better now' pronouncemnts seem as dumb as the original, to actual
> strong players.

Two points:

1. GetClub has not even been around for two years,
which demonstrates just how little the self-appointed
"experts" actually know.

2. What "strong players"? The only people winning
consistently are the ones who are obviously using
another chess program! The self-described strong
players have vanished, like 1959 Cadillacs.


> Doesn't matter Sanny if it is 1000 or 1500, that level is
> simple **crushed** by anyone 2000+ rated.

That's true; the commercial programs a few people
use crush Sanny's program, and yes, they are all
rated over 2000. I predict this will continue
indefinitely.


> Instead of hyping up your program, why don't you pay attention to why it
> sucks?

What I said! Just tonight, I played the Beginner
level and although I had a helluva tough time with
it, I lucked into a drawn King and pawn ending--
but the program ran away from the pawns and
lost! And while many, many players are not
strong enough to survive to this kind of ending,
the few of us who are continue to get free wins,
quite undeservedly, on account of this single,
Titanic-sized weakness which I have pointed out
*many* times.


> Human players need to do this! And you actually program the thing -
> and you suck - so how come you don't follow any advice, while making such
> idiotic claims for it?
>
> After 2 years, you need to give up, since otherwise the only other thing you
> can do is extenhd the program with a massive opening book, and never lose
> before move 15 where the book ends - which is what st not-programmers do
> all the time, since most people don't know 10 moves of anything ;)

I don't agree. If Sanny were making zero headway,
then perhaps he could be counseled to just hang it
up; but in reality, the program is now way, way
stronger than it used to be. The townspeople of rgc
comfort themselves by repeating the mantra: "there
is no wolf, the boy is making it up again", but then,
they probably couldn't tell the difference between a
real wolf and a sheepdog anyhow.


> That's computer chess for you.

Take the help bot challenge: log onto getclub.com,
deliberately hang your Queen, and then report back
on how you easily you managed to win in spite of
giving the program such odds. If you're feeling a
bit chicken, then only give it a Rook or a Knight. I
predict you will lose like a fish.


-- help bot


P.S.: Don't use Rybka! Sheesh... .



 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 22:32:03
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
> It takes a genious to raise a program?
>
> Almost [every?] thing Sanny says is not true. If Sanny loses to a 12 move
> mate, then he is what? 800? 600? His program seems to be 1200 based on
> results against opponents, which considering his own rating is merely the
> extent of the program's opening book.

I lost in 12 moves because I overlooked a Mate in 1. Most of the time
I loose in 20 Moves. I am goiod player in my village. I am able to
beat many children on the streets here. And also a few good friends.

> But Sanny talks of all sorts of exhaulted things for it, which after 2 yea=
rs
> of 'even better now' pronouncemnts seem as dumb as the original, to actual=

> strong players. Doesn't matter Sanny if it is 1000 or 1500, that level is
> simple **crushed** by anyone 2000+ rated.

Many people say I am 1110 Rated. I have never played any tournament
But still I can win if you are a new player.


> Instead of hyping up your program, why don't you pay attention to why it
> sucks? Human players need to do this! And you actually program the thing -=

> and you suck - so how come you don't follow any advice, while making such

Yesterday Beginner Level won 5/6 (5 out of 6) Games played by Players.
And Easy was able to win 1/2 (1 out of 2) Games.

So in total 6/8 (6 out of 8) were won by GetClub Chess. And the two
which it lost were by very strong players. 1. Stinky Garlnoot and
Bonsai. Both are very strong players.

Play a few games and tell me if you find any weakness in the game and
I will remove them.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> After 2 years, you need to give up, since otherwise the only other thing y=
ou
> can do is extenhd the program with a massive opening book, and never lose
> before move 15 where the book ends - which is what st not-programmers d=
o
> all the time, since most people don't know 10 moves of anything =A0;)

Currently it has Opening till 8 depth (4 Moves Opening).

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 22:23:12
From: Sanny
Subject: True Facts about GetClub Chess.
Here is the list of games played by various players yesterday by
Record Book.

I am not considering games by Peter as he uses Computer to play as he
told me once.

Of the below 8 Games

Beginner won 5/6 ( 5 out of 6) 80% Games won by Beginner
Easy won 1/2 (1 out of 2) 50% Games won by Beginner

The reasion Easy lost once was because Bonsai is very Strong Player.
and Stinky Garlnoot is also a very strong player. Rest all players
lost the games.


Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 02:51:31
View Chess Game
bonsai(1213)-easy(689)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: bonsai

Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 02:39:19
View Chess Game
gregory jordan(1000)-easy(689)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: easy

Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 02:05:17
View Chess Game
Paul Buswell(840)-beginner(926)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: beginner

Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 01:49:08
View Chess Game
jefk(980)-beginner(916)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: beginner

Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 01:32:03
View Chess Game
Paul Buswell(850)-beginner(886)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: beginner

Game Replayed: (1) 2008-02-10 01:25:27
View Chess Game
sanjay11(1128)-beginner(896)
{(WW), Computer} Winner: beginner

Game Replayed: (2) 2008-02-10 11:18:25
View Chess Game
jefk(990)-beginner(886)
{(BB), Computer} Winner: beginner

Game Replayed: (2) 2008-02-10 08:49:19
View Chess Game
Stinky Garlnoot(1060)-beginner(896)
{(BB), Computer} Winner: Stinky Garlnoot


Of the above 8 Games

Beginner won 5/6 ( 5 out of 6) 80% Games won by Beginner
Easy won 1/2 (1 out of 2) 50% Games won by Beginner

The reasion Easy lost once was because Bonsai is very Strong Player.
and Stinky Garlnoot is also a very strong player. Rest all players
lost the games.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html







 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 12:21:14
From:
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 3:18=A0pm, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 12:22=A0pm, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0I am not a bad player
>
> Yes, you are.

True. And only a chess ignoramus would think it takes a genius to
beat this mediocre-at-best program.


  
Date: 10 Feb 2008 17:52:02
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.

<ttk5079@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:29b380e3-a6fd-4799-8db1-e2955b8ddac7@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 10, 3:18 pm, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 12:22 pm, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am not a bad player
>
> Yes, you are.

True. And only a chess ignoramus would think it takes a genius to
beat this mediocre-at-best program.

---

It takes a genious to raise a program?

Almost [every?] thing Sanny says is not true. If Sanny loses to a 12 move
mate, then he is what? 800? 600? His program seems to be 1200 based on
results against opponents, which considering his own rating is merely the
extent of the program's opening book.

But Sanny talks of all sorts of exhaulted things for it, which after 2 years
of 'even better now' pronouncemnts seem as dumb as the original, to actual
strong players. Doesn't matter Sanny if it is 1000 or 1500, that level is
simple **crushed** by anyone 2000+ rated.

Instead of hyping up your program, why don't you pay attention to why it
sucks? Human players need to do this! And you actually program the thing -
and you suck - so how come you don't follow any advice, while making such
idiotic claims for it?

After 2 years, you need to give up, since otherwise the only other thing you
can do is extenhd the program with a massive opening book, and never lose
before move 15 where the book ends - which is what st not-programmers do
all the time, since most people don't know 10 moves of anything ;)

That's computer chess for you.

Phil Innes




 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 12:18:42
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 12:22=A0pm, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I am not a bad player

Yes, you are.





 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 12:17:22
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 12:22=A0pm, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com > wrote:


> GetClub Chess is no more a crap can you win with Beginner Level.
>
> Today I played a game with Beginner Level It gave me a Mate in just 12
> Moves. Earlier I used to loose in 20 Moves. I am not a bad player
> still I dont know why I played so badly today.

The day I would lose to GetClub crap program I would probably give up
chess play completely.


 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 10:22:25
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 7:12=A0pm, SBD <DrD...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:25 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
> > any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.
>
> No 2300+ player would waste any time on GetClub crap.

GetClub Chess is no more a crap can you win with Beginner Level.

Today I played a game with Beginner Level It gave me a Mate in just 12
Moves. Earlier I used to loose in 20 Moves. I am not a bad player
still I dont know why I played so badly today.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 06:12:02
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
On Feb 10, 5:25 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
> any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.

No 2300+ player would waste any time on GetClub crap.


  
Date: 10 Feb 2008 17:40:19
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.

"SBD" <DrDowd@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:939d6c51-0645-4b1b-b2a1-60d0a11d2e2d@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 10, 5:25 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So now the Master Level will play like a 2300+ rated Player. Is there
>> any 2300+ Rated player on this Group.
>
> No 2300+ player would waste any time on GetClub crap.

maybe a genious would? one with 48 hours on his hoands? pi

ps: since sanny is essentially [though entertaining] spam, i cut out chess
politics from the distribution, since those people do not understand their
spam from their howdah




 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 03:32:45
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Only a Genious can win at GetClub Chess.
Where are the players who said GetClub plays silly move??? Now see
Beginner won 9/10 Games with Human Opponent. and only 1/10 was able to
draw rest all were won by Beginner Level.

Peter & Sanjay11 games were played with the help of Computer I remove
those games from the list.

Is there anyone who can still find any mistake in the GetClub Game?
Just tell me if you still find any mistake in GetClubs game play.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html