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I came across an article (Wiener Zeitung, June 24 1836) which says that after the Westminster-Paris correspondence match, there was a proposal to have a face-to-face meeting on neutral grounds (an English ship in a French port). The Paris club had named its 3 competitors, St Amant, Boncourt, and Mouret, and were waiting for the English to name theirs. I am guessing that the match never came off (I think I would have heard of it if it did, but I could be wrong). Does anyone know more details, such as who the English named to represent them, and whether/why the match never came off? Jerry Spinrad |
"Jeremy Spinrad" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > I came across an article (Wiener Zeitung, June 24 1836) which says that after the > Westminster-Paris correspondence match, there was a proposal to have a face-to-face > meeting on neutral grounds (an English ship in a French port). The Paris club had > named its 3 competitors, St Amant, Boncourt, and Mouret, and were waiting for the > English to name theirs. > > I am guessing that the match never came off (I think I would have heard of it if > it did, but I could be wrong). Does anyone know more details, such as who the > English named to represent them, and whether/why the match never came off? > > Jerry Spinrad Jerry, can I poach on your inquiry for something even more obscure. There is an old anecdote about a Bedlam versus House of Parliament match which DID take place, and which Bedlam won. [For non Brits, Bedlam is a shortened version of Bethlehem Hospital, an institution for apparently insane persons]. My questions are: everything! When was it and who took part, and where were games played? Any and all information, or sources of information would be welcome. Thanks! Phil Innes |
> an old anecdote about a Bedlam versus House of Parliament match which DID > take place, and which Bedlam won. [For non Brits, Bedlam is a shortened > version of Bethlehem Hospital, an institution for apparently insane > persons]. > > My questions are: everything! When was it and who took part, and where were > games played? Any and all information, or sources of information would be > welcome. > > Thanks! Phil Innes I thought I remembered Irving Chernev writing about this, so I went back and checked The Fireside Book of Chess, but unfortunately it was another match, a correspondence match between Bedlam and Cambridge University (1883-5), won by Bedlam. It's in the "Odd, but True" section. Sorry, probably doesn't help. |
"Jeff Sonas" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > Jerry, can I poach on your inquiry for something even more obscure. There is > > an old anecdote about a Bedlam versus House of Parliament match which DID > > take place, and which Bedlam won. [For non Brits, Bedlam is a shortened > > version of Bethlehem Hospital, an institution for apparently insane > > persons]. > > > > My questions are: everything! When was it and who took part, and where were > > games played? Any and all information, or sources of information would be > > welcome. > > > > Thanks! Phil Innes > > I thought I remembered Irving Chernev writing about this, so I went > back and checked The Fireside Book of Chess, but unfortunately it was > another match, a correspondence match between Bedlam and Cambridge > University (1883-5), won by Bedlam. Really! I also have 'Fireside' and missed that one. What a hoot! Thanks, this is just as entertaining as my question. Phil > It's in the "Odd, but True" > section. Sorry, probably doesn't help. |
> Jerry, can I poach on your inquiry for something even more obscure. > There is an old anecdote about a Bedlam versus House of Parliament match > which DID take place, and which Bedlam won. [For non Brits, Bedlam is a > shortened version of Bethlehem Hospital, an institution for apparently > insane persons]. There's also a hamlet in North Yorkshire called Bedlam. And, yes, there is a sign saying, `Bedlam Please Drive Carefully'. Dave. -- David Richerby Crystal Car (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ high-performance luxury car but it's completely transparent! |
French port, and I wonder if that came about for the convenience of one or more of the English players, e.g. if one or more were naval officers? I doubt that the match took place because we would have heard about it. There is a pamphlet, which was printed in 1837 (I think) about the correspondence match of 1836. I see there is a copy in the Guildhall Library in London, ref. PAM 9333. I must take a look at it some time when I am in London and see who represented Westminster ... Best wishes, John Townsend Howard Staunton research project: http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/page7.html Jeremy Spinrad wrote in message ... > >I came across an article (Wiener Zeitung, June 24 1836) which says that after the >Westminster-Paris correspondence match, there was a proposal to have a face-to-face >meeting on neutral grounds (an English ship in a French port). The Paris club had >named its 3 competitors, St Amant, Boncourt, and Mouret, and were waiting for the >English to name theirs. > >I am guessing that the match never came off (I think I would have heard of it if >it did, but I could be wrong). Does anyone know more details, such as who the >English named to represent them, and whether/why the match never came off? |
give a neutral ground for the match; seems kind of odd to me, though. Jerry Spinrad In article <[email protected] >, "John Townsend" <[email protected]> writes: |
> They actually mention that the idea of an English ship in a french port > is to give a neutral ground for the match; seems kind of odd to me, > though. I thought English law applied on English ships. Or is that more recent than the match we're talking about? Or does it not apply to ships in port? Dave. -- David Richerby Metal Game (TM): it's like a family www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ board game that's made of steel! |