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Date: 09 Feb 2008 11:23:57
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Question for Helpbot ....
Have to ever ran Bobby Fischers so called greatest game through Fritz
?

BF , sacrificed his queen on move I7 and ended up checkmating the IM ,
in 4I moves .

I think BF was I6 at the time ?

If you have not you should do that one because it would be
interesting...

Can you post that game ?





 
Date: 11 Feb 2008 06:36:34
From:
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
On Feb 9, 2:23=A0pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:
> =A0 Have to ever ran Bobby Fischers so called greatest game through Fritz
> ?
>
> =A0BF , sacrificed his queen on move I7 and ended up checkmating the IM ,
> in 4I moves .

BTW, just one more minor correction: Donald Byrne was not an IM at
the time that game was played. He got the International Master title
in 1962.


 
Date: 10 Feb 2008 22:49:30
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
On Feb 9, 2:23 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> Have to ever ran Bobby Fischers so called greatest game through Fritz
> ?

Well, I have Fritz vers. 5.32, which is not strong enough
to "overrule" BF-- except in tactics. Somebody would
need to use one of the 3000-rated programs to look over
his games.

There have been many chess positions which, in the
age before strong chess computers, were hotly debated
as to who stood better, who is winning or drawing, and
this is where (really strong) chess computers shine, in
their utter objectivity. The program neither knows nor
cares a whit about who has which side, and it can be
and is utterly objective-- if not /always/ correct.


-- help bot



  
Date: 11 Feb 2008 16:23:47
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
On Feb 11, 3:02 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:

> HelpB , how come you do not upgrade your Fritz ?

Maybe I should; maybe the latest and greatest
Fritz has built-in chess lessons, or can tell me
how to play the openings better.

I recently read that ICC, which charges for
membership, has a bunch of instructional videos
which members can watch.

The fact is, I already learn a good deal from
watching my *free* chess engines tear games
apart-- especially my own. But I deliberately
play widely varying opening lines, rather than
try and "master" something narrow, and this
no doubt hurts my results. I've noticed that
a few of the top-rated players from my area
get "free wins" from opponents falling into
traps in sharp, memorized lines, but that's
not what I'm aiming for; I want to become a
jack of all trades-- equally adept in any sort
of position.

The last two opening books I purchased
have yet to be opened; OTOH, I did read the
covers just to make sure I got what I ordered... .


-- help bot




  
Date: 11 Feb 2008 12:02:57
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
HelpB , how come you do not upgrade your Fritz ?





 
Date: 09 Feb 2008 13:14:51
From:
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
On Feb 9, 2:23=A0pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:
> =A0 Have to ever ran Bobby Fischers so called greatest game through Fritz
> ?

I don't recall analyzing the full game with Fritz, but I know that
Fritz validates the queen sac at move 17.

>
> =A0BF , sacrificed his queen on move I7 and ended up checkmating the IM ,
> in 4I moves .
>
> I think BF was I6 at the time ?

No, he was 13. The tournament in which the game was played ended in
October 1956.

> =A0 If you have not you should do that one because it would be
> interesting...
>
> Can you post that game ?

Here it is, with annotations by Shipov from CB Mega Database 2005.
My apologies for the jumbled appearance; that's just what CB's "copy
game" function does, and unfortunately the annotation symbols do not
translate properly into .txt format

[Event "New York Rosenwald"]
[Site "New York"]
[Date "1956.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Byrne, Donald"]
[Black "Fischer, Robert James"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D97"]
[Annotator "Shipov"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "1956.10.07"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[Source "ChessBase"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. d4 O-O 5. Bf4 d5 6. Qb3 (6. e3) (6.
Rc1 $5)
6... dxc4 7. Qxc4 c6 8. e4 Nbd7 (8... Bg4 9. Be2 Nfd7 10. Rd1 Bxf3 11.
Bxf3 e5
12. dxe5 Bxe5 13. Bxe5 Nxe5 14. Rxd8 Nxc4 15. Rxf8+ Kxf8 16. Be2 $1
Nb6 (16...
Nxb2 17. Kd2 b5 $8 18. Rb1 Nc4+ 19. Bxc4 bxc4 20. Rb4 $16) 17. Kd2 $14
{
Dydyshko,V-Dorfman,J/Minsk/1986/1:0/57/}) (8... b5 $1 9. Qb3 Qa5 {/\
b4/} 10.
Bd3 Be6 11. Qd1 c5 $5 $132) 9. Rd1 Nb6 10. Qc5 Bg4 11. Bg5 $2 (11. Be2
Nfd7 12.
Qa3 Bxf3 13. Bxf3 e5 14. dxe5 Qe8 15. Be2 Nxe5 16. O-O $14 {
Flear,G-Morris,P/Dublin/1991/1:0/46/}) 11... Na4 $3 12. Qa3 (12. Nxa4
Nxe4 13.
Qc1 (13. Qxe7 Qa5+ 14. b4 Qxa4 15. Qxe4 Rfe8 16. Be7 Bxf3 17. gxf3 Bf8
$19)
13... Qa5+ 14. Nc3 Bxf3 15. gxf3 Nxg5 $17) 12... Nxc3 13. bxc3 Nxe4
14. Bxe7
Qb6 $17 {@/} 15. Bc4 (15. Bxf8 Bxf8 16. Qb3 Nxc3 $1 $17) 15... Nxc3 $1
16. Bc5
(16. Qxc3 Rfe8 17. Bxf7+ (17. Qe3 Qc7 $19) 17... Kxf7 18. Ng5+ Kxe7
19. O-O
Bxd1 20. Rxd1 Qb5 $19) 16... Rfe8+ 17. Kf1 Be6 $3 (17... Nb5 $2 18.
Bxf7+ $1
Kxf7 (18... Kh8 19. Bxb6 Nxa3 20. Bxe8 $16) 19. Qb3+ Be6 20. Ng5+ $18)
18. Bxb6
(18. Bxe6 Qb5+ 19. Kg1 Ne2+ 20. Kf1 Ng3+ 21. Kg1 Qf1+ $1 22. Rxf1
Ne2#) (18.
Qxc3 Qxc5 $1 19. dxc5 Bxc3 20. Bxe6 Rxe6 $19) (18. Bd3 Nb5 $17) 18...
Bxc4+ 19.
Kg1 Ne2+ 20. Kf1 Nxd4+ 21. Kg1 (21. Rd3 axb6 22. Qc3 Nxf3 $19) 21...
Ne2+ 22.
Kf1 Nc3+ 23. Kg1 axb6 24. Qb4 Ra4 25. Qxb6 Nxd1 $19 26. h3 Rxa2 27.
Kh2 Nxf2
28. Re1 Rxe1 29. Qd8+ Bf8 30. Nxe1 Bd5 31. Nf3 Ne4 32. Qb8 b5 33. h4
h5 34. Ne5
Kg7 35. Kg1 Bc5+ 36. Kf1 Ng3+ 37. Ke1 Bb4+ (37... Bb3 $5) 38. Kd1 Bb3+
39. Kc1
Ne2+ 40. Kb1 Nc3+ 41. Kc1 Rc2# {mate} 0-1



  
Date: 10 Feb 2008 06:54:48
From:
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
On Feb 9, 10:44=A0pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote:
> yes your right , i wish it was just the game moves , it is hard to play
> out ..

OK, here are the actual moves only, transcribed from Brady's
"Profile of a Prodigy":


1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. d4 O-O 5.Bf4 d5 6. Qb3 dxc4 7. Qxc4
c6 8. e4 Nbd7 9. Rd1 Nb6 10. Qc5 Bg4 11. Bg5 Na4 12.Qa3 Nxc3 13. bxc3
Nxe4 14. Bxe7 Qb6 15. Bc4 Nxc3 16. Bc5 Rfe8+ 17. Kf1 Be6 18.Bxb6 Bxc4+
19. Kg1 Ne2+ 20. Kf1 Nxd4+ 21. Kg1 Ne2+ 22. Kf1 Nc3+ 23. Kg1 axb6 24.
Qb4 Ra4 25. Qxb6 Nxd1 26. h3 Rxa2 27. Kh2 Nxf2 28. Re1 Rxe1 29. Qd8+
Bf8 30. Nxe1 Bd5 31. Nf3 Ne4 32. Qb8 b5 33. h4 h5 34. Ne5 Kg7 35. Kg1
Bc5+ 36. Kf1 Ng3+ 37. Ke1 Bb4+ 38. Kd1 Bb3+ 39. Kc1 Ne2+ 40. Kb1 Nc3+
41. Kc1 Rc2# 0-1



   
Date: 10 Feb 2008 19:25:15
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
thanks , that looks so much better .....i will do it Monday , just
worked twelve hours ..i hate that.



  
Date: 09 Feb 2008 19:44:48
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
yes your right , i wish it was just the game moves , it is hard to play
out ..



  
Date: 09 Feb 2008 19:42:36
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Question for Helpbot ....
Thank you , i will play it out now ..7.40 pm Sat.