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Date: 10 May 2008 10:18:18
From: samsloan
Subject: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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"Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
In response to the criticism that in the nine months since Susan
Polgar became a member of the USCF Executive Board in August, 2008,
she has not proposed one specific idea, she has posted an article on
her discussion group entitled "Specific Proposed Ideas".
Take a look at the specific proposals that Susan Polgar advocates.
Each and every one of them advocates publishing more photos of Susan
Polgar in Chess Life magazine and advocates more publicity for Paul
Truong.
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1127
Here is an example, "Both Paul and I offered to go to these events to
represent the USCF. Paul offered to conduct free classes or seminars
to teach parents, coaches, organizers, and other interest parties ways
to generate publicity, interest, sponsorship, and donation. We were
even willing to pay our own expenses. All he asked for is a room and
proper announcements and promotion by the USCF."
All he asked for is a room and proper announcements.
Paul and Susan were elected to the USCF Executive Board which is
supposed to be a policy board which sets the policy. So far they have
not advocated any policy. Instead, they keep asking for Paul and Susan
to be sent to more events and for more publicity for Paul and Susan.
Then they add "Months and months went by and not even an inch has
moved."
Nothing is stopping them from renting their own room and making their
own announcements. They are quite good at that. What do they need the
USCF for?
Ever since she was elected the board, Susan has been on a whirlwind of
travel activities. Since August, she has been to Scotland, India,
Mexico, Hungary, Germany and I do not know how many other places. It
seems that she rarely has her feet on the ground.
I am increasingly worried that the USCF might be paying for all or
perhaps even some of these travel expenses.
Chess Life had a picture of Susan Polgar in almost every issue over a
period of two years, even though she did not play a single FIDE rated
game of chess during that entire period. That is what got her elected.
Apparently that did not improve the image of the USCF, however. Why
should we publish even more pictures of Susan when she does not even
play chess any more? Why not publish pictures of people who actually
do play chess?
Sam Sloan
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Date: 10 May 2008 20:19:00
From:
Subject: help bot for Executive Board
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On May 10, 9:25=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 I can still recall back when Larry Parr was constantly
> complaining about "junkets" and other "perks" which,
> he said, board members were getting at USCF members'
> expense. =A0This never-ending fighting and fussing over who
> gets "our" money reminds me of the squabbling of geese.
>
> =A0 Why can't filthy-rich people who have no need of "our"
> membership dues monies, run and get elected so the
> focus can turn to just setting policy? =A0Why is it that so
> many "geese" are elected and re-elected, year after
> year? =A0The focus with USCF always seems to be in-
> fighting over power and money. =A0Better still, appoint a
> benevolent dictator and just do away with this ineffective
> committee-style board. =A0(Make sure it really is a
> *benevolent* dictator, or else things could get even
> worse than they are now... possibly MUCH worse.)
>
> =A0 If the board must -- for whatever reasons -- be run by
> committee, then let it be made up of people who laugh
> at the very idea of trying to utilize USCF monies to pay
> their way; people like, say, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet.
> ("What's that? =A0you want to transfer a million or two from
> the Life Member's account to make *one payment* on
> my new submarine-equipped 150-foot yacht? =A0Forget it.
> I haven't got the TIME to swindle a paltry one or two
> million dollars from those losers. =A0Inform our Swindles
> Division that they have much bigger fish to fry." =A0--BG)
>
> =A0 It seems to me that there is quite a bit of /personal/
> enmity or jealously between Mr. Sloan and his targets.
> Maybe this isn't really about the problems within the
> USCF; maybe it is really about /personal/ agendas.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
I want help bot on the executive board. He can bring his shit
vat, and haul away the mess!
Marcus Roberts
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Date: 10 May 2008 19:25:13
From: help bot
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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I can still recall back when Larry Parr was constantly
complaining about "junkets" and other "perks" which,
he said, board members were getting at USCF members'
expense. This never-ending fighting and fussing over who
gets "our" money reminds me of the squabbling of geese.
Why can't filthy-rich people who have no need of "our"
membership dues monies, run and get elected so the
focus can turn to just setting policy? Why is it that so
many "geese" are elected and re-elected, year after
year? The focus with USCF always seems to be in-
fighting over power and money. Better still, appoint a
benevolent dictator and just do away with this ineffective
committee-style board. (Make sure it really is a
*benevolent* dictator, or else things could get even
worse than they are now... possibly MUCH worse.)
If the board must -- for whatever reasons -- be run by
committee, then let it be made up of people who laugh
at the very idea of trying to utilize USCF monies to pay
their way; people like, say, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet.
("What's that? you want to transfer a million or two from
the Life Member's account to make *one payment* on
my new submarine-equipped 150-foot yacht? Forget it.
I haven't got the TIME to swindle a paltry one or two
million dollars from those losers. Inform our Swindles
Division that they have much bigger fish to fry." --BG)
It seems to me that there is quite a bit of /personal/
enmity or jealously between Mr. Sloan and his targets.
Maybe this isn't really about the problems within the
USCF; maybe it is really about /personal/ agendas.
-- help bot
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Date: 11 May 2008 15:13:49
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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[...]
> If the board must -- for whatever reasons -- be run by
> committee, then let it be made up of people who laugh
> at the very idea of trying to utilize USCF monies to pay
> their way; people like, say, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet.
Buffett and Gates don't play Chess - they play Bridge.
Buffett is competent, Gates a hopeless loser, as one
would expect. They hire world class partners to take
up some of the slack. (You can watch them play online
on OKBridge.)
These two have actually done something like you suggest:
They have started a thing called 'Bridge in Schools', which
is, needless to say, doomed to fail. But for 1 Mega$ they
got quite a bit of publicity. See the report in the widely
respected Journal 'USA Today':
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-12-19-bridge-schools_x.htm
However, they were not naive enough to hand this money
over to the ACBL (analogue of the USCF).
Occasionally wealthy amateurs show up wanting to do
something for Chess - though rich chess players
are much rarer than rich bridge players, usually aged
ladies. But it is inconceivable that a sane person would
give a dime to the USCF in its present state. An organization
that will let somebody like Sloan anywhere near the
cash drawer has years of work to do before it can
repair its reputation, even with the help of a renowned
publicity expert like Truong. Take one look at a picture
of Bill Hall and you get an inkling of the the size of the problem.
http://www.chessdon.com/photo.10.jpg
He's the one on the lower left.
> ("What's that? you want to transfer a million or two from
> the Life Member's account to make *one payment* on
> my new submarine-equipped 150-foot yacht? Forget it.
> I haven't got the TIME to swindle a paltry one or two
> million dollars from those losers. Inform our Swindles
> Division that they have much bigger fish to fry." --BG)
>
> It seems to me that there is quite a bit of /personal/
> enmity or jealously between Mr. Sloan and his targets.
> Maybe this isn't really about the problems within the
> USCF; maybe it is really about /personal/ agendas.
>
>
> -- help bot
>
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Date: 10 May 2008 18:43:24
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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On May 10, 5:17 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Board members may and often do go out to do things to promote chess,
> > but if they do that they should do it at their own expense.
>
> Since that's not in the mission statement it is either a current policy of
> the board - which one?
> Or an opinion, but not noted as an opinion, and stated more like a
> Fuehrer-Order.
Yes, indeed it was passed down as a Feuhrer-Order, an order from the
delegates, which states:
Section 27 (2)(a) under Delegate actions of continuing interest
states:
http://www.uschess.org/org/govern/delegate_actions_of_continuing_interest_03.html
(a) Except where noted below, no Executive Board member or a
member of his immediate family may receive financial compensation from
the USCF for any reason, except for standard reimbursement of
expenses, during his tenure on the Board, or for two years after
completing his tenure if such compensation results from bids accepted
or agreements made by the Board during his tenure. In claiming expense
reimbursement, a Board member must claim only that portion of expenses
that were incurred in non-political activities that were a legitimate
exercise of the Board member's duties. Any unusual expenses for which
reimbursement is questionable must be referred to the full Board for
consideration. Board members are expected to exercise all reasonable
frugality in incurring expenses to be reimbursed.
> > After she took office on the board, the first thing that Susan Polgar
> > did was ask that she be given a budget that she could use to travel
> > around the world to promote chess.
>
> > She was turned down, or at least so I was told.
>
> Okay - if USCF doesn't want to pay expense money to promote the game -
> that's okay. But before running off at the mouth as usual, let us not get
> too far from the very first point above - What is USCF's reason to exist as
> stated its mission statement?
>
> Do members of USCF want the game promoted?
>
> What is the objection to paying expenses if it gains USCF revenue?
>
> Answer those questions before racing ahead with the scandal of the day,
> since otherwise you don't seem to be touching the ground anywhere.
>
> Phil Innes
>
> PS: Since the offer was to bring in sponsorship dollars to USCF, but USCF
> won't pay for appearances, surely even Sam Sloan can connect those dots. But
> let us not get too far ahead of ourselves here, since USCF as non-profit org
> exists FOR a REASON. What is it as stated?
As noted above, the USCF cannot pay board members for appearance fees
or for anything else except for standard expenses in attending the
four quarterly meetings of the board.
Susan Polgar was told this before she ran for the board. She was told
that, if elected, she can no longer be paid for writing articles for
Chess Life or for celebrity appearance fees or anything else.
Apparently, she thought that once she got elected with her slate, she
could change the rules any way she wanted.
But, she cannot. She can even be arrested for violating the by-laws.
Susan complains that she is not being paid for writing for Chess Life
any more, but she was told many times during the election campaign
that if she is elected she will have to give up her Chess Life column.
Nevertheless, the board gave her a break at her insistence by allowing
her to write for Chess Life until February, 2008 and to get paid for
it.
That is over now. She will not be allowed to get paid for writing for
Chess Life until two years after she has left the board.
Since you are her semi-official spokesman, I am surprised that you and
she do not seem to know about this.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 11 May 2008 13:33:46
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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Slippery Sam Sloan didn't cut my post AGAIN.
let us not pretend then, that this is any 'conversation', and Sam Sloan cut
this,
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> The purpose of the USCF Executive Board, previously known as the
> Policy Board, is to establish the policy of the USCF.
After all these years it doesn't have one? What is the mission statement if
not policy #1?
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I pass on whatever 'standard reimbursement for expenses' are, since they
ain't detailed below - but just so Mr. Sloan can continue to cut out the
very mission of USCF, and if promoting the game was not it, and that isn't
the subject matter here.
Who knows what USCF spends 3 million on a year, but it ain't in promoting
the game!
Sam Sloan cannot endorse promoting the game, but only encourage people to
join USCF. But if you wanted to promote the game, WHY O WHY would anyone do
that?
Phil Innes
"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:1ecb0721-a960-4a39-a769-5bb6b0843f10@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 5:17 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "samsloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>
>> > Board members may and often do go out to do things to promote chess,
>> > but if they do that they should do it at their own expense.
>>
>> Since that's not in the mission statement it is either a current policy
>> of
>> the board - which one?
>> Or an opinion, but not noted as an opinion, and stated more like a
>> Fuehrer-Order.
>
> Yes, indeed it was passed down as a Feuhrer-Order, an order from the
> delegates, which states:
>
> Section 27 (2)(a) under Delegate actions of continuing interest
> states:
> http://www.uschess.org/org/govern/delegate_actions_of_continuing_interest_03.html
>
> (a) Except where noted below, no Executive Board member or a
> member of his immediate family may receive financial compensation from
> the USCF for any reason, except for standard reimbursement of
> expenses, during his tenure on the Board, or for two years after
> completing his tenure if such compensation results from bids accepted
> or agreements made by the Board during his tenure. In claiming expense
> reimbursement, a Board member must claim only that portion of expenses
> that were incurred in non-political activities that were a legitimate
> exercise of the Board member's duties. Any unusual expenses for which
> reimbursement is questionable must be referred to the full Board for
> consideration. Board members are expected to exercise all reasonable
> frugality in incurring expenses to be reimbursed.
>
>
>> > After she took office on the board, the first thing that Susan Polgar
>> > did was ask that she be given a budget that she could use to travel
>> > around the world to promote chess.
>>
>> > She was turned down, or at least so I was told.
>>
>> Okay - if USCF doesn't want to pay expense money to promote the game -
>> that's okay. But before running off at the mouth as usual, let us not get
>> too far from the very first point above - What is USCF's reason to exist
>> as
>> stated its mission statement?
>>
>> Do members of USCF want the game promoted?
>>
>> What is the objection to paying expenses if it gains USCF revenue?
>>
>> Answer those questions before racing ahead with the scandal of the day,
>> since otherwise you don't seem to be touching the ground anywhere.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>>
>> PS: Since the offer was to bring in sponsorship dollars to USCF, but USCF
>> won't pay for appearances, surely even Sam Sloan can connect those dots.
>> But
>> let us not get too far ahead of ourselves here, since USCF as non-profit
>> org
>> exists FOR a REASON. What is it as stated?
>
>
> As noted above, the USCF cannot pay board members for appearance fees
> or for anything else except for standard expenses in attending the
> four quarterly meetings of the board.
>
> Susan Polgar was told this before she ran for the board. She was told
> that, if elected, she can no longer be paid for writing articles for
> Chess Life or for celebrity appearance fees or anything else.
>
> Apparently, she thought that once she got elected with her slate, she
> could change the rules any way she wanted.
>
> But, she cannot. She can even be arrested for violating the by-laws.
>
> Susan complains that she is not being paid for writing for Chess Life
> any more, but she was told many times during the election campaign
> that if she is elected she will have to give up her Chess Life column.
>
> Nevertheless, the board gave her a break at her insistence by allowing
> her to write for Chess Life until February, 2008 and to get paid for
> it.
>
> That is over now. She will not be allowed to get paid for writing for
> Chess Life until two years after she has left the board.
>
> Since you are her semi-official spokesman, I am surprised that you and
> she do not seem to know about this.
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 10 May 2008 12:09:32
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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On May 10, 1:35 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> HEADLINE
>
> Sloan says promoting game, USCF's Mission Statement & reason to exist, is
> not 'specific proposed idea.' Read Shocking Story.
>
> Phil Innes
The purpose of the USCF Executive Board, previously known as the
Policy Board, is to establish the policy of the USCF.
Board members may and often do go out to do things to promote chess,
but if they do that they should do it at their own expense.
After she took office on the board, the first thing that Susan Polgar
did was ask that she be given a budget that she could use to travel
around the world to promote chess.
She was turned down, or at least so I was told.
Nevertheless, ever since being elected she has constantly been
traveling.
I wonder where she gets the money from to do this.
She obviously wants to travel more. Take a look at the proposals that
she bitterly complains have not been enacted.
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1127
"Both Paul and I offered to go to these events"
"Paul offered to conduct free classes"
"Paul offered to teach"
"my own federation refuses my help"
"Both of us are willing to go out and do this"
"If my name and reputation and Paul's expertise can generate this kind
of money"
"As for the USCF, months went by again and not even a single person
contacted us."
" We offered to take the calls or inquiries"
" I do that with my chess center, ... Why not the USCF?"
"I am not looking for personal glory or inflate my ego"
" I did not run for the board to play politics."
"To make the USCF better, we must fix the many weaknesses and
problems"
However, when Susan Polgar ran for the board she promised that if
elected she would bring in millions of dollars in sponsorships. Since
winning election, not one dime has arrived. She was even made
Chairman, saying that this title would enable her to raise funds for
the USCF. Indeed, two of the potential sponsors whom she said would
provide money if she was elected have since refused, saying that it is
because of Susan and Paul that they will not be giving any money to
the USCF. One potential sponsor said that Susan demanded that the
money be given directly to her personally. Once he found that out, he
said that he will not be providing any money to her or to the USCF, as
long as she is in office.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 10 May 2008 18:17:59
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:318d7a53-bc6d-4825-8f2e-1eb8df15be1f@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 10, 1:35 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> HEADLINE
>>
>> Sloan says promoting game, USCF's Mission Statement & reason to exist, is
>> not 'specific proposed idea.' Read Shocking Story.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>
> The purpose of the USCF Executive Board, previously known as the
> Policy Board, is to establish the policy of the USCF.
After all these years it doesn't have one? What is the mission statement if
not policy #1?
> Board members may and often do go out to do things to promote chess,
> but if they do that they should do it at their own expense.
Since that's not in the mission statement it is either a current policy of
the board - which one?
Or an opinion, but not noted as an opinion, and stated more like a
Fuehrer-Order.
> After she took office on the board, the first thing that Susan Polgar
> did was ask that she be given a budget that she could use to travel
> around the world to promote chess.
>
> She was turned down, or at least so I was told.
Okay - if USCF doesn't want to pay expense money to promote the game -
that's okay. But before running off at the mouth as usual, let us not get
too far from the very first point above - What is USCF's reason to exist as
stated its mission statement?
Do members of USCF want the game promoted?
What is the objection to paying expenses if it gains USCF revenue?
Answer those questions before racing ahead with the scandal of the day,
since otherwise you don't seem to be touching the ground anywhere.
Phil Innes
PS: Since the offer was to bring in sponsorship dollars to USCF, but USCF
won't pay for appearances, surely even Sam Sloan can connect those dots. But
let us not get too far ahead of ourselves here, since USCF as non-profit org
exists FOR a REASON. What is it as stated?
> Nevertheless, ever since being elected she has constantly been
> traveling.
>
> I wonder where she gets the money from to do this.
>
> She obviously wants to travel more. Take a look at the proposals that
> she bitterly complains have not been enacted.
>
> http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1127
>
> "Both Paul and I offered to go to these events"
> "Paul offered to conduct free classes"
> "Paul offered to teach"
> "my own federation refuses my help"
> "Both of us are willing to go out and do this"
> "If my name and reputation and Paul's expertise can generate this kind
> of money"
> "As for the USCF, months went by again and not even a single person
> contacted us."
> " We offered to take the calls or inquiries"
> " I do that with my chess center, ... Why not the USCF?"
> "I am not looking for personal glory or inflate my ego"
> " I did not run for the board to play politics."
> "To make the USCF better, we must fix the many weaknesses and
> problems"
>
> However, when Susan Polgar ran for the board she promised that if
> elected she would bring in millions of dollars in sponsorships. Since
> winning election, not one dime has arrived. She was even made
> Chairman, saying that this title would enable her to raise funds for
> the USCF. Indeed, two of the potential sponsors whom she said would
> provide money if she was elected have since refused, saying that it is
> because of Susan and Paul that they will not be giving any money to
> the USCF. One potential sponsor said that Susan demanded that the
> money be given directly to her personally. Once he found that out, he
> said that he will not be providing any money to her or to the USCF, as
> long as she is in office.
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 10 May 2008 14:35:57
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
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HEADLINE
Sloan says promoting game, USCF's Mission Statement & reason to exist, is
not 'specific proposed idea.' Read Shocking Story.
Phil Innes
"samsloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Specific Proposed Ideas" by Susan Polgar
>
> In response to the criticism that in the nine months since Susan
> Polgar became a member of the USCF Executive Board in August, 2008,
> she has not proposed one specific idea, she has posted an article on
> her discussion group entitled "Specific Proposed Ideas".
>
> Take a look at the specific proposals that Susan Polgar advocates.
> Each and every one of them advocates publishing more photos of Susan
> Polgar in Chess Life magazine and advocates more publicity for Paul
> Truong.
>
> http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1127
>
> Here is an example, "Both Paul and I offered to go to these events to
> represent the USCF. Paul offered to conduct free classes or seminars
> to teach parents, coaches, organizers, and other interest parties ways
> to generate publicity, interest, sponsorship, and donation. We were
> even willing to pay our own expenses. All he asked for is a room and
> proper announcements and promotion by the USCF."
>
> All he asked for is a room and proper announcements.
>
> Paul and Susan were elected to the USCF Executive Board which is
> supposed to be a policy board which sets the policy. So far they have
> not advocated any policy. Instead, they keep asking for Paul and Susan
> to be sent to more events and for more publicity for Paul and Susan.
>
> Then they add "Months and months went by and not even an inch has
> moved."
>
> Nothing is stopping them from renting their own room and making their
> own announcements. They are quite good at that. What do they need the
> USCF for?
>
> Ever since she was elected the board, Susan has been on a whirlwind of
> travel activities. Since August, she has been to Scotland, India,
> Mexico, Hungary, Germany and I do not know how many other places. It
> seems that she rarely has her feet on the ground.
>
> I am increasingly worried that the USCF might be paying for all or
> perhaps even some of these travel expenses.
>
> Chess Life had a picture of Susan Polgar in almost every issue over a
> period of two years, even though she did not play a single FIDE rated
> game of chess during that entire period. That is what got her elected.
> Apparently that did not improve the image of the USCF, however. Why
> should we publish even more pictures of Susan when she does not even
> play chess any more? Why not publish pictures of people who actually
> do play chess?
>
> Sam Sloan
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