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Date: 10 Apr 2008 07:52:44
From: Bassam King Karzeddin
Subject: The Queen says to forsake computers
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Chess is not limited to mathematics and brute force calculations.
Instead, chess is an art. Therefore, computer-based chess is not
artistic.
The Queen, being the beauty of the universe beyond mathematics,
compels you to foresake and forestall using those crude devices, and
rely instead on your divinely given minds.
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Date: 16 Apr 2008 22:32:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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On Apr 13, 1:26=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2:52 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > =A0 I read that the world's strongest chess
> > > program, Rybka, had little work done to
> > > improve its endgame play; its creator
> > > seemed to think it wouldn't have much
> > > effect.
> > Yes, Rybka has to improve itself else GetClub Chess will get ahead of
> > it in future and become worlds best Chess program in the World.
>
> =A0 I hope to live THAT long. =A0Perhaps, if they
> invent a pill which magically dissolves fat,
> has the same effect as moderate exercise
> and cleans out the arteries like a roto-rooter
> brush, there is still hope. =A0I put it somewhere
> in the vicinity of the year 2080 A.D.
>
> =A0 And only if the creators of Rybka all die,
> while Sanny and his crack programming team
> keep at it, night and day.
>
> =A0 Me, I betting on some big corporation to
> one day decide to "kill the beast", hook up
> some multi-billion-dollar computers and
> create 16-man endgame table-bases:
>
> =A0Patzer A vs. Patzer B
>
> 1. a3?? =A0(Losing in 235 moves.)
>
> =A0 =A0... e5?? =A0(Long though to be a good move,
> this throws away the win; equal.)
>
> 2. b4?? =A0(Losing once again.)
>
> =A0 =A0... Nf6?? =A0(The so-called classical style
> has long been refuted; correct was the
> prophilactic move ...a6; equal.)
>
> =A0 -- help bot
That may happen if we play GetClub Chess with SuperComputer of 2020.
Todays SuperComputer can see upto depth of 28. If in 2020 Computers
become 1000 times faster. Then On a Super Computer GetClub Chess will
see +40 moves in advance that too with Beginner Level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 13 Apr 2008 01:26:03
From: help bot
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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On Apr 13, 2:52 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I read that the world's strongest chess
> > program, Rybka, had little work done to
> > improve its endgame play; its creator
> > seemed to think it wouldn't have much
> > effect.
> Yes, Rybka has to improve itself else GetClub Chess will get ahead of
> it in future and become worlds best Chess program in the World.
I hope to live THAT long. Perhaps, if they
invent a pill which magically dissolves fat,
has the same effect as moderate exercise
and cleans out the arteries like a roto-rooter
brush, there is still hope. I put it somewhere
in the vicinity of the year 2080 A.D.
And only if the creators of Rybka all die,
while Sanny and his crack programming team
keep at it, night and day.
Me, I betting on some big corporation to
one day decide to "kill the beast", hook up
some multi-billion-dollar computers and
create 16-man endgame table-bases:
Patzer A vs. Patzer B
1. a3?? (Losing in 235 moves.)
... e5?? (Long though to be a good move,
this throws away the win; equal.)
2. b4?? (Losing once again.)
... Nf6?? (The so-called classical style
has long been refuted; correct was the
prophilactic move ...a6; equal.)
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 23:52:09
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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> > Now on I will see a lot of Drawn games against Beginner.
>
> =A0 I read that the world's strongestchess
> program, Rybka, had little work done to
> improve its endgame play; its creator
> seemed to think it wouldn't have much
> effect. =A0
Yes, Rybka has to improve itself else GetClub Chess will get ahead of
it in future and become worlds best Chess program in the World.
Here is the new Rating I give to all Levels
Beginner: 1900 (5-10 sec/ move)
Easy: 2100 (20-30 sec/ move)
Normal: 2300 (1-2 min/ move)
Master: 2500 (5-10 min/ move)
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 12 Apr 2008 00:36:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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On Apr 12, 12:57 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Yes Bonsai lost to Beginner Level. He was a very good player and used
> to beat even the Master Level. I fell in future he may regain the
> score by playing against the Beginner Level.
I don't know about him being all that good.
In that game, for instance, he missed many
wins and seemed like he was trying to blitz
(like in a five-minute game). The GetClub
program won, but it was dead lost in the
opening and all through the early middle
game as well. (Hyper-active Queen, in
conjunction with greedy pawn-grabbing
was the culprit.)
The program did a fair job of exploiting
all his mistakes, but it severely neglected
its development. As we saw, TACTICS
decided the issue, not to mention very
poor defense in the endgame by Bonsai.
I've had more than a few of these types
of positions, and usually had no trouble in
reaching, say, K&R vs. K&R&N, which is
drawable if all the pawns are traded off.
Also note that there was a threefold
repetition of position (or maybe six
fold), but the program did *not* grant
Bonsai the draw.
> Today I saw your game was Drawn. In other game the Beginner went into
> trap So lost the game. Now you will be able to win only if you find
> some way to trap the beginner. Else beginner will play smartly and
> bring Draw or may even win a game against you.
The game I drew was carried over from
yesterday or maybe the day before. I was
shocked when I logged on and instead of
starting a new game, found myself back
in that mess of a position! I was forced
to repeat the position, or lose material.
> Now on I will see a lot of Drawn games against Beginner.
I read that the world's strongest chess
program, Rybka, had little work done to
improve its endgame play; its creator
seemed to think it wouldn't have much
effect. What's odd is that even my old
Fritz 5.32 program sees that a simple
endgame position is drawn, while far
stronger programs like Rybka score it
as a big advantage for Black. Even so,
it finds the correct moves, but I wonder
why the scoring is so messed up on
this position:
White: Kd3, pe3
Black: Kd5, pe5, pf5
Fritz instantly shows a score of zero,
while some programs analyze deeply
only to render +1, +2, or even +3 for
Black.
-- help bot
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Date: 11 Apr 2008 21:57:01
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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> =A0 BTW, one of the old-timers at GitClub
> has just lost to the Beginner level; he
> formerly was one of the many who took
> and hoarded rating points, but now he
> seems to be a rating point donor-- giving
> points back to the Beginner level. =A0Hmm.
Yes Bonsai lost to Beginner Level. He was a very good player and used
to beat even the Master Level. I fell in future he may regain the
score by playing against the Beginner Level.
Today I saw your game was Drawn. In other game the Beginner went into
trap So lost the game. Now you will be able to win only if you find
some way to trap the beginner. Else beginner will play smartly and
bring Draw or may even win a game against you.
Now on I will see a lot of Drawn games against Beginner.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 11 Apr 2008 21:09:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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On Apr 10, 12:23 pm, SBD <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > Instead, chess is an art. Therefore, computer-based chess is not
> > > artistic.
>
> > > The Queen, being the beauty of the universe beyond mathematics,
> > > compels you to foresake and forestall using those crude devices, and
> > > rely instead on your divinely given minds.
>
> > CHESS is the MESSIAH of all board GAMES.
> Which makes GitClub a satanic abomination.
The GetClub program is not *always* an
abomination. Twice (at least), I've played
a game in which the Beginner level has
managed to copy the playing style of Aron
Nimzowitch very nicely-- making me wish
I'd never even heard of doubled pawns or
professor Ilaxis. In fact, it is precisely
such games which show the program at
its best.
As for chess-as-art, I'll wager the games
of the best chess engines easily rival
those of even the most "artistic" humans.
It may be accomplished through brute
calculation, but judged side-by-side in
a blindfold taste-test, I would not bet
against the computers.
I see such comments as reflecting the
exasperation of some, who have basically
given up all hope of ever competing with
the beasts again. These people are now
in the denial stage; you know, like all the
pundits who once asserted that computers
would never beat a human master in a set
match. Some day, there may emerge a
class of youngsters who go into denial
about humans ever having been in any
way superior to the chess computers... .
BTW, one of the old-timers at GitClub
has just lost to the Beginner level; he
formerly was one of the many who took
and hoarded rating points, but now he
seems to be a rating point donor-- giving
points back to the Beginner level. Hmm.
-- help bot
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 09:23:57
From: SBD
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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On Apr 10, 11:05 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Instead, chess is an art. Therefore, computer-based chess is not
> > artistic.
>
> > The Queen, being the beauty of the universe beyond mathematics,
> > compels you to foresake and forestall using those crude devices, and
> > rely instead on your divinely given minds.
>
> CHESS is the MESSIAH of all board GAMES.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Which makes GitClub a satanic abomination.
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Date: 10 Apr 2008 09:05:59
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: The Queen says to forsake computers
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> Instead, chess is an art. =A0Therefore, computer-based chess is not
> artistic.
>
> The Queen, being the beauty of the universe beyond mathematics,
> compels you to foresake and forestall using those crude devices, and
> rely instead on your divinely given minds.
CHESS is the MESSIAH of all board GAMES.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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