The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

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Date: 15 Apr 2007 10:02:54
From: samsloan
Subject: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

At 01:23 AM 4/15/2007 EDT, Chessoffice@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/15/2007 12:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>redmanink@yahoo.com writes:

>>Sometime between the Prisco problem and the Anson problem the pension funds
>>have apparently shifted from an outside, independent account, not in the
>>control of the Federation, to an account within the control of the USCF. My
>>belief in this matter comes from Mr. Goichberg's statements that he is a
>>signatory to those accounts and the fact that the alleged bounced checks
>>originated from the USCF and Mr. Hall stated that they would be taken care
>>of by the USCF.
>
>>I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE HERE THAT IN MY VIEW THIS SHIFT FROM AN OUTSIDE
>>ACCOUNT TO AN INSIDE ACCOUNT OCCURRED BEFORE MR. GOICHBERG BECAME PRESIDENT
>>AND BEFORE MR. HALL BECAME EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. Nonetheless, they, and we,
>>have to deal with it.

> If it did, it was prior to Dullea's term.
>
>>In my view, pensions are regulated by Federal Law. A shift of assets from a
>>pension account to a USCF account is, in my view, a violation of Federal Law.

> It's still a pension or profit sharing account- managed by USCF, but not a
>USCF account.
>
>>Further, if such a shift did occur, GAAP requires that a separate fund for
>>pensions and their liabilities be recognized on the audited annual USCF
>>statements, even if it is illegal. To my knowledge, no such shift has been
>>recognized in our statements.

> I think that they once did give details.

>>Thus, in this lay person's opinion, the U.S. Chess Federation is operating
>>in violation of Federal Law.

> I don't think so.

>>My recommendation is that we pursue this matter vigorously.
>
>>AT THE VERY LEAST, FULL BANK STATEMENTS FROM THE DELAWARE BANK ACCOUNTS
>>FROM THEIR INCEPTION MUST BE MADE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
>
>>NOW.

> Yes.
>
>>And we need to cooperate in pursuing appropriate criminal indictments
>>against those responsible.
>
>>NOW.
>
>>Not to do so is to become complicit with crime.

> Almost certainly, there has been no crime. Bill Goichberg
>
>>Of course, I hope I'm wrong about this matter. I fear, however, that I am not.
>
>>Cordially,
>
>>Tim Redman
>

I am shocked by Bill Goichberg's statement above "Almost certainly,
there has been no crime" when it is perfectly obvious that there has
been a crime, for the simple reason that a check was written for
$24,000 signed by Bill Goichberg and Joel Channing with no money in
the bank. Writing a check with no money in the bank is a crime. I
realize that a public prosecutor is probably not going to be much
interested in this case now that the check has apparently been made
good after bouncing twice, but nobody should say that no crime has
been committee when a crime has been committed.

I am glad to see that now Tim Redman is weighing in with complaints
about this, with the result that Joel Channing has ordered an
explanation from Bill Hall stating "I want you to send a detailed
response to Tim's letter to everyone listed above no later than Monday
morning. I also want a memo no later than Monday afternoon ..." This
in spite of the fact that, this weekend, Bill Hall is at the National
High School Championship in Kansas City. (Remember that this is one of
the National Scholastic tournaments that is supposed to make us back
the $241,000 we were losing according to the January financial
statements.)

Previously, when it was just me complaining about the bouncing check,
Joel Channing had merely ordered Bill Hall to prepare a memo for the
May 19-21 meeting.

It is obvious that the bouncing check is a symptom of a much bigger
problem. This problem has been going on for a long time. I complained
about it in my first meeting of the board on August 14, 2006, but I
knew that there was a problem with the pension account nearly two
years before that. Now, we learn that there is a bank account in
Delaware that nobody previously knew about and for some reason money
must be moved from some other account to that account in order for a
pension check to be paid.

And nobody has mentioned the 800-pound gorilla in the room, which that
a lot of improper things are known to have been done while Frank Niro
was Executive Director, and the laptop computer Frank Niro used while
working for the USCF has gone missing, and neither Bill Goichberg nor
Bill Hall are taking appropriate steps to get that laptop back.

The fact that the Delaware account had Frank Niro's name on it should
raise some eyebrows since Frank Niro left the employment of the USCF
in August, 2003, nearly four years ago.

What about the fact that Bill Goichberg was Executive Director for 15
months from October 2003 to December, 2004? Why did not Bill Goichberg
do something about this during the 15 months when he was in a position
to do so?

I would like to ask Joel, our esteemed VP Finance, how a nonprofit
organization can have a profit-sharing plan!

The outside world does not know it yet, but I have just been censured
again on a motion by Channing and Goichberg for making remarks
critical of Bill Hall. There seems to be a pattern here. Every time I
uncover a serious problem and point it out, rather than address the
problem, the board majority immediately censures me. It happened in
the Tanner case and now it is happening with the bounced check. As
long as I do not vote on these repeated motions to censure me, the
board majority of Channing, Goichberg and Hough have enough votes to
censure me every day if they want to. That still will not cure their
problem of the bounced check.

I think that Bill Hall should have been fired months ago and Joel
Channing and Bill Goichberg should resign now.

Sam Sloan

Date: 23 Apr 2007 09:20:15
From: markgravitygood@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

On Apr 20, 11:27 pm, Rob <robmt...@msn.com > wrote:
> Who care what you think? Obviously you don't think before you shoot
> off your mouth. You are too lazy to research the matter yourself so
> you toss accusations around. The same lazy and sloppy work that got
> your securities license pulled plagues you now, Sam. ANd why not tell
> everyoe really why you aren't licensed anymore. Felons can't be
> brokers can they?

Ouch.

Date: 20 Apr 2007 20:27:53
From: Rob
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

On Apr 15, 12:02 pm, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> At 01:23 AM 4/15/2007 EDT, Chessoff...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > In a message dated 4/15/2007 12:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >redman...@yahoo.com writes:
> >>Sometime between the Prisco problem and the Anson problem the pension funds
> >>have apparently shifted from an outside, independent account, not in the
> >>control of the Federation, to an account within the control of the USCF. My
> >>belief in this matter comes from Mr. Goichberg's statements that he is a
> >>signatory to those accounts and the fact that the alleged bounced checks
> >>originated from the USCF and Mr. Hall stated that they would be taken care
> >>of by the USCF.
>
> >>I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE HERE THAT IN MY VIEW THIS SHIFT FROM AN OUTSIDE
> >>ACCOUNT TO AN INSIDE ACCOUNT OCCURRED BEFORE MR. GOICHBERG BECAME PRESIDENT
> >>AND BEFORE MR. HALL BECAME EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. Nonetheless, they, and we,
> >>have to deal with it.
> > If it did, it was prior to Dullea's term.
>
> >>In my view, pensions are regulated by Federal Law. A shift of assets from a
> >>pension account to a USCF account is, in my view, a violation of Federal Law.
> > It's still a pension or profit sharing account- managed by USCF, but not a
> >USCF account.
>
> >>Further, if such a shift did occur, GAAP requires that a separate fund for
> >>pensions and their liabilities be recognized on the audited annual USCF
> >>statements, even if it is illegal. To my knowledge, no such shift has been
> >>recognized in our statements.
> > I think that they once did give details.
> >>Thus, in this lay person's opinion, the U.S. Chess Federation is operating
> >>in violation of Federal Law.
> > I don't think so.
> >>My recommendation is that we pursue this matter vigorously.
>
> >>AT THE VERY LEAST, FULL BANK STATEMENTS FROM THE DELAWARE BANK ACCOUNTS
> >>FROM THEIR INCEPTION MUST BE MADE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
>
> >>NOW.
> > Yes.
>
> >>And we need to cooperate in pursuing appropriate criminal indictments
> >>against those responsible.
>
> >>NOW.
>
> >>Not to do so is to become complicit with crime.
> > Almost certainly, there has been no crime. Bill Goichberg
>
> >>Of course, I hope I'm wrong about this matter. I fear, however, that I am not.
>
> >>Cordially,
>
> >>Tim Redman
>
> I am shocked by Bill Goichberg's statement above "Almost certainly,
> there has been no crime" when it is perfectly obvious that there has
> been a crime, for the simple reason that a check was written for
> $24,000 signed by Bill Goichberg and Joel Channing with no money in
> the bank. Writing a check with no money in the bank is a crime. I
> realize that a public prosecutor is probably not going to be much
> interested in this case now that the check has apparently been made
> good after bouncing twice, but nobody should say that no crime has
> been committee when a crime has been committed.

How ignorant you are.

> I am glad to see that now Tim Redman is weighing in with complaints
> about this, with the result that Joel Channing has ordered an
> explanation from Bill Hall stating "I want you to send a detailed
> response to Tim's letter to everyone listed above no later than Monday
> morning. I also want a memo no later than Monday afternoon ..." This
> in spite of the fact that, this weekend, Bill Hall is at the National
> High School Championship in Kansas City. (Remember that this is one of
> the National Scholastic tournaments that is supposed to make us back
> the $241,000 we were losing according to the January financial
> statements.)
>
> Previously, when it was just me complaining about the bouncing check,
> Joel Channing had merely ordered Bill Hall to prepare a memo for the
> May 19-21 meeting.
>
> It is obvious that the bouncing check is a symptom of a much bigger
> problem.

You ASSUME and leap to false conclusions.

>This problem has been going on for a long time. I complained
> about it in my first meeting

So what else is new. All you do is complain.

>of the board on August 14, 2006, but I
> knew that there was a problem with the pension account nearly two
> years before that. Now, we learn that there is a bank account in
> Delaware that nobody previously knew about and for some reason money
> must be moved from some other account to that account in order for a
> pension check to be paid.

You not knowing about it is nothing new.

It's no secret and you simply are ignorant about it is all.

> And nobody has mentioned the 800-pound gorilla in the room,

okay, I'll mention you... SAM SLOAN

>which that
> a lot of improper things are known to have been done while Frank Niro
> was Executive Director, and the laptop computer Frank Niro used while
> working for the USCF has gone missing, and neither Bill Goichberg nor
> Bill Hall are taking appropriate steps to get that laptop back.
>
> The fact that the Delaware account had Frank Niro's name on it should
> raise some eyebrows since Frank Niro left the employment of the USCF
> in August, 2003, nearly four years ago.

Why?

> What about the fact that Bill Goichberg was Executive Director for 15
> months from October 2003 to December, 2004? Why did not Bill Goichberg
> do something about this during the 15 months when he was in a position
> to do so?

Ask Bill if you want an answer. Don't post it here. Thats just fish-
wifery,Sam. Thats being a chicken-shit.

> I would like to ask Joel, our esteemed VP Finance, how a nonprofit
> organization can have a profit-sharing plan

You are really ignorant Sam. That is a question I would expect of a
3rd grader. You really shouldn't be in your position.

> The outside world does not know it yet, but I have just been censured
> again on a motion by Channing and Goichberg for making remarks
> critical of Bill Hall.

The pattern is that you have opened up the USCF to a potential huge
lawsuit, dumbo.

>There seems to be a pattern here. Every time I
> uncover a serious problem and point it out,

Look in a mirror.. you are the serious problem currently.

>
> I think that Bill Hall should have been fired months ago and Joel
> Channing and Bill Goichberg should resign now.

Who care what you think? Obviously you don't think before you shoot
off your mouth. You are too lazy to research the matter yourself so
you toss accusations around. The same lazy and sloppy work that got
your securities license pulled plagues you now, Sam. ANd why not tell
everyoe really why you aren't licensed anymore. Felons can't be
brokers can they?
> Sam Sloan

Date: 16 Apr 2007 05:38:57
From: Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

"samsloan" <samhsloan@gmail.com > writes:

>morning. I also want a memo no later than Monday afternoon ..." This
>in spite of the fact that, this weekend, Bill Hall is at the National
>High School Championship in Kansas City. (Remember that this is one of
>the National Scholastic tournaments that is supposed to make us back
>the $241,000 we were losing according to the January financial
>statements.)

Bill Hall is not at the National HS Championships. BTW, the tournament
appears to have set a new record in attendance with 1447 unique USCF IDs
on the crosstable for the event (which has already been rated and is
available on MSA, so receipts should be higher than last year's event.
--
Mike Nolan

Date: 15 Apr 2007 22:41:12
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

On 15 Apr, 13:02, "samsloan" <samhsl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> At 01:23 AM 4/15/2007 EDT, Chessoff...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > =A0In a message dated 4/15/2007 12:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >redman...@yahoo.com writes:
> >>Sometime between the Prisco problem and the Anson problem the pension f=
unds
> >>have apparently shifted from an outside, independent account, not in the
> >>control of the Federation, to an account within the control of the USCF=
. My
> >>belief in this matter comes from Mr. Goichberg's statements that he is a
> >>signatory to those accounts and the fact that the alleged bounced checks
> >>originated from the USCF and Mr. Hall stated that they would be taken c=
are
> >>of by the USCF.
>
> >>I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE HERE THAT IN MY VIEW THIS SHIFT FROM AN OUTSI=
DE
> >>ACCOUNT TO AN INSIDE ACCOUNT OCCURRED BEFORE MR. GOICHBERG BECAME PRESI=
DENT
> >>AND BEFORE MR. HALL BECAME EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. Nonetheless, they, and w=
e,
> >>have to deal with it.
> > =A0 If it did, it was prior to Dullea's term.
>
> >>In my view, pensions are regulated by Federal Law. A shift of assets fr=
om a
> >>pension account to a USCF account is, in my view, a violation of Federa=
l Law.
> > It's still a pension or profit sharing account- managed by USCF, but no=
t a
> >USCF account.
>
> >>Further, if such a shift did occur, GAAP requires that a separate fund =
for
> >>pensions and their liabilities be recognized on the audited annual USCF
> >>statements, even if it is illegal. To my knowledge, no such shift has b=
een
> >>recognized in our statements.
> > =A0 I think that they once did give details.
> >>Thus, in this lay person's opinion, the U.S. Chess Federation is operat=
ing
> >>in violation of Federal Law.
> > I don't think so.
> >>My recommendation is that we pursue this matter vigorously.
>
> >>AT THE VERY LEAST, FULL BANK STATEMENTS FROM THE DELAWARE BANK ACCOUNTS
> >>FROM THEIR INCEPTION MUST BE MADE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
>
> >>NOW.
> > Yes.
>
> >>And we need to cooperate in pursuing appropriate criminal indictments
> >>against those responsible.
>
> >>NOW.
>
> >>Not to do so is to become complicit with crime.
> > Almost certainly, there has been no crime. =A0 Bill Goichberg
>
> >>Of course, I hope I'm wrong about this matter. I fear, however, that I =
am not.
>
> >>Cordially,
>
> >>Tim Redman
>
> I am shocked by Bill Goichberg's statement above "Almost certainly,
> there has been no crime" when it is perfectly obvious that there has
> been a crime, for the simple reason that a check was written for
> $24,000 signed by Bill Goichberg and Joel Channing with no money in
> the bank. Writing a check with no money in the bank is a crime. I
> realize that a public prosecutor is probably not going to be much
> interested in this case now that the check has apparently been made
> good after bouncing twice, but nobody should say that no crime has
> been committee when a crime has been committed.
>
> I am glad to see that now Tim Redman is weighing in with complaints
> about this, with the result that Joel Channing has ordered an
> explanation from Bill Hall stating "I want you to send a detailed
> response to Tim's letter to everyone listed above no later than Monday
> morning. =A0I also want a memo no later than Monday afternoon ..." This
> in spite of the fact that, this weekend, Bill Hall is at the National
> High School Championship in Kansas City. (Remember that this is one of
> the National Scholastic tournaments that is supposed to make us back
> the $241,000 we were losing according to the January financial
> statements.)
>
> Previously, when it was just me complaining about the bouncing check,
> Joel Channing had merely ordered Bill Hall to prepare a memo for the
> May 19-21 meeting.
>
> It is obvious that the bouncing check is a symptom of a much bigger
> problem. This problem has been going on for a long time. I complained
> about it in my first meeting of the board on August 14, 2006, but I
> knew that there was a problem with the pension account nearly two
> years before that. Now, we learn that there is a bank account in
> Delaware that nobody previously knew about and for some reason money
> must be moved from some other account to that account in order for a
> pension check to be paid.
>
> And nobody has mentioned the 800-pound gorilla in the room, which that
> a lot of improper things are known to have been done while Frank Niro
> was Executive Director, and the laptop computer Frank Niro used while
> working for the USCF has gone missing, and neither Bill Goichberg nor
> Bill Hall are taking appropriate steps to get that laptop back.
>
> The fact that the Delaware account had Frank Niro's name on it should
> raise some eyebrows since Frank Niro left the employment of the USCF
> in August, 2003, nearly four years ago.
>
> What about the fact that Bill Goichberg was Executive Director for 15
> months from October 2003 to December, 2004? Why did not Bill Goichberg
> do something about this during the 15 months when he was in a position
> to do so?
>
> I would like to ask Joel, our esteemed VP Finance, how a nonprofit
> organization can have a profit-sharing plan!
>
> The outside world does not know it yet, but I have just been censured
> again on a motion by Channing and Goichberg for making remarks
> critical of Bill Hall. There seems to be a pattern here. Every time I
> uncover a serious problem and point it out, rather than address the
> problem, the board majority immediately censures me. It happened in
> the Tanner case and now it is happening with the bounced check. As
> long as I do not vote on these repeated motions to censure me, the
> board majority of Channing, Goichberg and Hough have enough votes to
> censure me every day if they want to. That still will not cure their
> problem of the bounced check.
>
> I think that Bill Hall should have been fired months ago and Joel
> Channing and Bill Goichberg should resign now.
>
> Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Is it Frank Niro?

Date: 15 Apr 2007 22:32:43
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

Date: 15 Apr 2007 22:11:42
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

Date: 16 Apr 2007 19:38:33
From: Kent Wills
Subject: Re: The Twice Bounced Check for $24,000

As I understand it, on 15 Apr 2007 22:11:42 -0700, "Ray Gordon,
creator of the pivot" <raygordon@seductive.com > wrote:

>Someone going to jail for this?

For pretending to be Gordon Roy Parker on Usenet? While it's
an odd hobby you have, I don't know that it breaks any criminal law as
yet.

--
Kent
Take too many pictures, laugh too much, and love like you've never
been hurt because every sixty seconds you spend upset is a minute of
happiness you'll never get back.