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Date: 27 May 2005 10:36:32
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Tip the king in checkmate?
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Does it make sense to tip the king over if he is checkmated? Is it commonly done? --- Replace you know what by j to email
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Date: 27 May 2005 18:27:48
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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Jud McCranie <[email protected] > wrote: > Does it make sense to tip the king over if he is checkmated? Is it > commonly done? Knocking over the king has no status in the rules of chess, except that, if deliberate, the touch-move rule comes into play. It's commonly accepted as a gesture of resignation but, since the game is over at the point of checkmate, there's nothing to resign. It would seem strange to knock over a checkmated king. Dave. -- David Richerby Surprise Book (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ romantic novel but not like you'd expect!
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Date: 27 May 2005 13:42:28
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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On 27 May 2005 18:27:48 +0100 (BST), David Richerby <[email protected] > wrote: >Knocking over the king has no status in the rules of chess, except that, >if deliberate, the touch-move rule comes into play. It's commonly >accepted as a gesture of resignation but, since the game is over at the >point of checkmate, there's nothing to resign. It would seem strange to >knock over a checkmated king. I think so to. There's no point in resigning if your already checkmated. --- Replace you know what by j to email
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Date: 27 May 2005 15:13:03
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE?=
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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Jud McCranie wrote: > On 27 May 2005 18:27:48 +0100 (BST), David Richerby > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Knocking over the king has no status in the rules of chess, except >> that, if deliberate, the touch-move rule comes into play. It's >> commonly accepted as a gesture of resignation but, since the game is >> over at the point of checkmate, there's nothing to resign. It would >> seem strange to knock over a checkmated king. > > I think so to. There's no point in resigning if your already > checkmated. It's not unlike stating "I quit!" immediately after being fired.
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Date: 27 May 2005 15:28:55
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:13:03 -0400, Frisbee� <[email protected] > wrote: >It's not unlike stating "I quit!" immediately after being fired. I agree. --- Replace you know what by j to email
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Date: 27 May 2005 11:17:35
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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It is customary to tip the king 15%, or 20% for exceptional service. Your spouse may write a check if you don't have any cash. --Harold Buck "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ." -Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 27 May 2005 09:07:02
From: Dan-the-K
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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Does it make sense to tip the king over if he is checkmated? Is it commonly done? AFAIK, tipping the king means "I resign." It's used, I think, somewhat prevalantly in such circumstances. Please confirm or correct. Dan
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Date: 27 May 2005 07:43:21
From: Mark Houlsby
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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No and no.
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Date: 27 May 2005 12:33:14
From:
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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In my OTB tournament games, I would lay my King down as a sign of resignation. In fact, I was taught by my dad as a beginner that this was proper chess ettiquette. I'm not sure where this practice originated, but it may serve as a kind of "laying down arms in surrender" gesture, a physical acknowledgment that you have been defeated by your opponent in a fair battle. I have never had anyone object to this practice, so I assume it is permissible. In my experience, however, stopping the clocks (usually accompanied by some statement such as "I resign" or "Nice game" or "You were so busted, you lucky blankety blank") is the most common form of resignation in OTB. I have also seen people who resign with their arms (knocking the pieces off the table) and with their feet (people who just leave and let their time run out), and even a few people who seem to always play on to mate (at some point, these people were stalemated by someone who had a K + Q against their K). The funniest resignation I have ever seen was accompanied by a loud but short statement which contained a profanity unsuitable for republishing in a forum such as this one, frequented by large numbers of small children. I think this is quite an interesting topic, as resignations play a key role in OTB chess and, occur at a time of psychic disturbance, and take diverse forms. Perhaps a brief history of the etiquette of resignations (and breaches thereof) might be an interesting topic for one of the fine resident historians (Mr. Brennen or Mr. Kingston spring to mind), as my desultory research on the Web reveals a rich body of anecdotal evidence but no serious attempts at historical research. Or perhaps one of the more philosphically-inclined frequenters of rgc (say, Mr. Bourbaki), would consider penning a short "Prolegomena to Any Future Resignations" as a guide to future inquiries into the metaphysics of resignation. In any event, my personal experience has been that most OTB players resign with considerable dignity and grace, and the rare exceptions are more amusing (and, for obvious reasons, forgivable) than anything else. - Geof
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Date: 27 May 2005 17:12:29
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: Tip the king in checkmate?
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On 27 May 2005 12:33:14 -0700, [email protected] wrote: >The funniest resignation I have ever seen was accompanied by a loud but >short statement which contained a profanity unsuitable for republishing >in a forum such as this one, frequented by large numbers of small >children. The most unusual one I had, he tore the scoresheet in half and ran out of the room. There were tears on the scoresheet. I was a kid and he was an adult. --- Replace you know what by j to email
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