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Date: 12 Mar 2008 08:04:43
From: Zoot
Subject: Truong & Polgar Movements
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I keep reading about the FSS posts following Truong & Polgar from
Texas to mexico City. Are there any other movements that both
the FSS posts and Truong & Polgar made together? Do they always
go places together, or can we find a time when Truong is in one
city and Polgar in another and then see which place the FSS posts
came from during that period?
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Date: 12 Mar 2008 16:45:04
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Truong & Polgar Movements
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On 12, 4:04 am, Zoot <[email protected] > wrote:
> I keep reading about the FSS posts following Truong & Polgar from
> Texas to mexico City. Are there any other movements that both
> the FSS posts and Truong & Polgar made together? Do they always
> go places together, or can we find a time when Truong is in one
> city and Polgar in another and then see which place the FSS posts
> came from during that period?
I seriously wonder if any effort was made
to determine such things, objectively. From
many of the postings by the real Sam Sloan,
it was apparent that he strongly disliked, and
perhaps was even jealous of, Paul Truong.
Since everything I have read placed these
two (PT and SP) together all the time, it
seemed a bit odd that PT was being singled
out, and Susan Polgar just given a free ride.
The one thing that seems to pertain to PT
specifically, is the comments which specify
that postings came from "his" computer; I
can only assume that SP either doesn't own
a computer, or else that she has her own.
Some people have argued that (presumably)
PT was reacting to "attacks" on SP, that it
was only normal for him to try to protect his
wife by lashing out at the attackers, and so
forth. This smacks of the old two-wrongs-
makes-a-right math error we often see crop
up when other possible defenses have failed.
And its frequent appearance seems to point
in the direction of PT, because they do not
suggest that SP was "defending" PT, but the
other way around.
I find it strange that anyone would make
such postings as those by the FSS from a
computer which could easily be traced back
to them. Clearly, this was done by someone
who could not see even two moves ahead.
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Mar 2008 22:14:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Truong & Polgar Movements
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On 12, 8:18 pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> There are several reasons to believe this is Paul and not Susan.
>
> 1) The posts match up to some posts which were by Paul, not by Susan
Okay.
> 2) The PhD claim, which showed both a tendency to dishonesty and a
> tendency to respond with ridiculous excuses and attacks
Hold on a second. The Susan Polgar Web site
also is filled with dishonesty; are we to place the
blame for this on PT, or is not SP herself ultimately
responsible for her own site?
Has not Sam Sloan posted material here which
showed SP behaving in the way you attribute to
PT? Are they not *both* the same way? I think
PT often adopts the "ridiculous" excuses and
attacks from his wife, wholesale.
> 3) The Bob Bennett posts, which showed some similarities in posting
> patterns, were Paul and not Susan.
Okay.
> There are other reasons which reinforce the idea, but are perhaps less
> solid. It is Paul who seems to be the one who spends time on the
> internet
Aha! The lousy, good-for-nothing scum.
People who hang out on the internet can
not be trusted.
> I understand that he would answer mail to Susan but not the
> reverse. Paul is (I do not know the people, but it is consistently
> said by supporters as well as detractors) the half of the couple who
> tends to be very aggressive
Testosterone; just say "no" to it.
> which can be both a good and a bad trait
> in context. You have complained about the Polgar website. Rumors of
> Truong greatly exaggerating comments go much further back, eg the many
> national titles; I had never heard of Susan exaggerating her
> accomplishments before they became a couple.
Well, now she appears to think she is every
successful female player who ever lived, all
rolled into one. The sad part is she even
thieves the accomplishments of her own sister,
Judit.
> Technically, there is no reason it couldn't be Susan as well. To me,
> it seems clear that the odds are overwhelming that Paul is responsible
> for the bad behavior. I think most people have been accusing Paul
> rather than Susan because the odds seem overwhelming to them as well,
> not out of jealousy for Paul.
Well, I only mentioned jealousy with regard
to a single person-- Sam Sloan. As far as I
know, he is also the only poster here who
was *obsessed* with SP (until the FSS).
I bet someone could dig up an old interview in
which SP "attacks" her rivals, or makes silly
excuses. I certainly do not recall PT having to
talk for SP in any of the postings by SS, where
SS was trying to make SP look bad. She
seemed to have chips on both shoulders, and
nothing but hatred and for her closest rivals.
-- help bot
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Date: 12 Mar 2008 17:18:54
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Truong & Polgar Movements
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On 12, 6:45=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 12, 4:04 am, Zoot <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I keep reading about the FSS posts following Truong & Polgar from
> > Texas to mexico City. =A0Are there any other movements that both
> > the FSS posts and Truong & Polgar made together? =A0Do they always
> > go places together, or can we find a time when Truong is in one
> > city and Polgar in another and then see which place the FSS posts
> > came from during that period?
>
> =A0 I seriously wonder if any effort was made
> to determine such things, objectively. =A0From
> many of the postings by the real Sam Sloan,
> it was apparent that he strongly disliked, and
> perhaps was even jealous of, Paul Truong.
>
> =A0 Since everything I have read placed these
> two (PT and SP) together all the time, it
> seemed a bit odd that PT was being singled
> out, and Susan Polgar just given a free ride.
> The one thing that seems to pertain to PT
> specifically, is the comments which specify
> that postings came from "his" computer; I
> can only assume that SP either doesn't own
> a computer, or else that she has her own.
There are several reasons to believe this is Paul and not Susan.
1) The posts match up to some posts which were by Paul, not by Susan
2) The PhD claim, which showed both a tendency to dishonesty and a
tendency to respond with ridiculous excuses and attacks
3) The Bob Bennett posts, which showed some similarities in posting
patterns, were Paul and not Susan.
There are other reasons which reinforce the idea, but are perhaps less
solid. It is Paul who seems to be the one who spends time on the
internet; I understand that he would answer mail to Susan but not the
reverse. Paul is (I do not know the people, but it is consistently
said by supporters as well as detractors) the half of the couple who
tends to be very aggressive, which can be both a good and a bad trait
in context. You have complained about the Polgar website. Rumors of
Truong greatly exaggerating comments go much further back, eg the many
national titles; I had never heard of Susan exaggerating her
accomplishments before they became a couple.
Technically, there is no reason it couldn't be Susan as well. To me,
it seems clear that the odds are overwhelming that Paul is responsible
for the bad behavior. I think most people have been accusing Paul
rather than Susan because the odds seem overwhelming to them as well,
not out of jealousy for Paul.
Jerry Spinrad
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> =A0 Some people have argued that (presumably)
> PT was reacting to "attacks" on SP, that it
> was only normal for him to try to protect his
> wife by lashing out at the attackers, and so
> forth. =A0This smacks of the old two-wrongs-
> makes-a-right math error we often see crop
> up when other possible defenses have failed.
> And its frequent appearance seems to point
> in the direction of PT, because they do not
> suggest that SP was "defending" PT, but the
> other way around.
>
> =A0 I find it strange that anyone would make
> such postings as those by the FSS from a
> computer which could easily be traced back
> to them. =A0Clearly, this was done by someone
> who could not see even two moves ahead.
>
> =A0 -- help bot
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