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Date: 01 Mar 2006 07:23:00
From: John J.
Subject: What's with the Class B rated player
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qualifying for the U.S. Championship? It's a joke.
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Date: 01 Mar 2006 21:21:10
From: drovar
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Can you give some specifics or a link? I don't have any idea what this is
about or who it is.
Carl
"John J." <detectorist@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> qualifying for the U.S. Championship? It's a joke.
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Date: 02 Mar 2006 12:12:25
From: John J.
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Here it is. Look at the bottom of Player Group 'A'. The player's name is
'Kelly'
http://www.uschesschampionship.com/2006/news/playergroups.htm
Cheers
"drovar" <drovar@alltel.net > wrote in message
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> Can you give some specifics or a link? I don't have any idea what this is
> about or who it is.
>
> Carl
>
> "John J." <detectorist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:oZbNf.49783$Fw6.48268@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> qualifying for the U.S. Championship? It's a joke.
>>
>
>
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Date: 02 Mar 2006 06:11:08
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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John J. wrote:
> Thanks, so basically, even if she was a 1000 rated player, she would have
> qualified for the US Championship.
>
> Affermative Action at work. lol
A little more on the subject, posted at
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/archives/us_ch_player_groups.htm:
Posted by: John Fernandez at February 22, 2006 11:24
It's not Kelly Cottrell's fault that:
1) No other woman bothered to try to qualify at the event she
qualified at, and
2) The AF4C didn't anticipate such a possibility, and didn't write in
provisions against it.
At the end of the day, she qualified, and the 50% provision was put in
so that this would be less likely to happen in the future.
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Date: 02 Mar 2006 05:31:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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John J. wrote:
> Here it is. Look at the bottom of Player Group 'A'. The player's name is
> 'Kelly'
>
> http://www.uschesschampionship.com/2006/news/playergroups.htm
>
This may help explain it, though not fully:
http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_258.htm
Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold (any relation to IM Ben
Finegold?) of Michigan. She's currently rated 1716, mainly from events
in Michigan and Ohio, been playing rated chess for only 3-4 years.
Apparently she was seeded into the US Ch based on a result in the
National Open. Sounds like a flaw in the qualification process.
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Date: 02 Mar 2006 14:05:02
From: John J.
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Thanks, so basically, even if she was a 1000 rated player, she would have
qualified for the US Championship.
Affermative Action at work. lol
"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com > wrote in message
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> John J. wrote:
>> Here it is. Look at the bottom of Player Group 'A'. The player's name is
>> 'Kelly'
>>
>> http://www.uschesschampionship.com/2006/news/playergroups.htm
>>
>
> This may help explain it, though not fully:
>
> http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_258.htm
>
> Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold (any relation to IM Ben
> Finegold?) of Michigan. She's currently rated 1716, mainly from events
> in Michigan and Ohio, been playing rated chess for only 3-4 years.
> Apparently she was seeded into the US Ch based on a result in the
> National Open. Sounds like a flaw in the qualification process.
>
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Date: 03 Mar 2006 17:54:16
From: Nick
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
> John J. wrote:
> > Here it is. Look at the bottom of Player Group 'A'.
> > The player's name is 'Kelly'
> > http://www.uschesschampionship.com/2006/news/playergroups.htm
>
> This may help explain it, though not fully:
>
> http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_258.htm
>
> Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold (any relation to IM Ben Finegold?)
> of Michigan.
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold is married to IM Ben Finegold.
There are other married couples playing in the 2006 US Championship:
GM Larry Christiansen and Natasha Christiansen, GM Alex Yermolinsky
and WGM Camilla Baginskaite.
> She's currently rated 1716,
What source gives her a current rating of 1716?
According to the official USCF and FIDE websites,
Kelly Cottrell is rated 1663 USCF and 1887 FIDE.
> mainly from events in Michigan and Ohio,
> been playing rated chess for only 3-4 years.
I disapprove of John J's put-downs of Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
But I have to say that it's far from extraordinary for someone
who has 'been playing (USCF) rated chess for only 3-4 years'
and who presumably has had intensive individual instruction
in chess from an IM (Ben Finegold, her husband) to achieve
a 1663 USCF rating. I can think of more than a few persons who
became much stronger players under much less advantageous
circumstances.
--Nick
> Apparently she was seeded into the US Ch based on a result in
> the National Open. Sounds like a flaw in the qualification process.
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Date: 04 Mar 2006 12:54:34
From: Nick
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Nick wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > John J. wrote:
> > > Here it is. Look at the bottom of Player Group 'A'.
> > > The player's name is 'Kelly'
> > > http://www.uschesschampionship.com/2006/news/playergroups.htm
> >
> > This may help explain it, though not fully:
> >
> > http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_258.htm
> >
> > Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold (any relation to IM Ben Finegold?)
> > of Michigan.
>
> Kelly Cottrell-Finegold is married to IM Ben Finegold.
>
> There are other married couples playing in the 2006 US Championship:
> GM Larry Christiansen and Natasha Christiansen, GM Alex Yermolinsky
> and WGM Camilla Baginskaite.
>
> > She's currently rated 1716,
>
> What source gives her a current rating of 1716?
>
> According to the official USCF and FIDE websites,
> Kelly Cottrell is rated 1663 USCF and 1887 FIDE.
At the USCF website, Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's main record
states that her 'current published rating (February Supplement)'
is 1663. Her tournament history record states that her
rating has increased to 1716 after a tournament that
ended on 26 February 2006. Evidently, her latest rating
before the 2006 US Championship was 1716, though
it has not yet been published by the USCF.
> > mainly from events in Michigan and Ohio,
> > been playing rated chess for only 3-4 years.
That's not a factually accurate statement (above).
She has been playing USCF-rated chess (81 events)
for almost six years.
According to the USCF website, Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's
first tournament was the World Open, ending in July 2000.
Her initial provisional rating was 989 (based on eight games).
Her initial established rating was 1004 (in tember 2000).
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's tournament history shows her
gradual improvement to her latest rating of 1716 USCF.
Given that she presumably has had intensive individual
instruction from an IM (Ben Finegold, her husband),
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold seems to be a player of
keen interest but not more than moderate talent.
--Nick
> I disapprove of John J's put-downs of Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
>
> But I have to say that it's far from extraordinary for someone
> who has 'been playing (USCF) rated chess for only 3-4 years'
> and who presumably has had intensive individual instruction
> in chess from an IM (Ben Finegold, her husband) to achieve
> a 1663 USCF rating. I can think of more than a few persons who
> became much stronger players under much less advantageous
> circumstances.
>
> --Nick
>
> > Apparently she was seeded into the US Ch based on a result in
> > the National Open. Sounds like a flaw in the qualification process.
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Date: 07 Mar 2006 06:36:36
From: michael adams
Subject: Re: What's with the Class B rated player
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Nick wrote:
(,,)
> Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's tournament history shows her
> gradual improvement to her latest rating of 1716 USCF.
> Given that she presumably has had intensive individual
> instruction from an IM (Ben Finegold, her husband),
> Kelly Cottrell-Finegold seems to be a player of
> keen interest but not more than moderate talent.
>
> --Nick
An interesting thread. What is the likelihood that Kelly C-F. will @
some point in the future breach the _2000_ ceiling?..
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