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Date: 03 Sep 2007 00:58:38
From: help bot
Subject: game annotations
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I am still (yes, STILL) reading the August 2007 issue of Chess life, and have finally made it to GM Pal Benko's column (page 56). He starts off with a rapid event where GM Kramnik had White against GM Leko in game 5. A rather unusual sequence of moves led to an early trade of Queens, and I suspect, a heavily-analyzed (by GM Kramnik) position. White starts off with the superior pawn structure, but at move 25 GM Kramnik did some "free repair work" for his opponent -- a mistake just glossed over by GM Benko, apparently because White wins eventually. But the real problem came when GM Leko later mistimed the liquidation of his a-pawn at move 35; this is quite simply a blunder, but again it is glossed over, possibly because he had one opportunity later on to escape with a draw (though this was due to other errors). White failed to punish this mistake properly, and this somehow resulted in zero question marks being doled out by GM Benko even though the refutation was fairly obvious. I sensed that the annotator was using computer help, as in some cases his analysis is an exact copy of what appears on my chess program's screen; but he does not make the same mistake as my computer in the simple ending near the finish, recognizing a draw as a draw, not a +1 point advantage! I had to look at that ending closely, just to be sure the extra pawn was useless. I find it interesting that this opening line -- which I had never seen before -- is walked into by 2700+ players with Black. It is obvious that Black has not quite equalized, and that unless he can get some free repair work out of his opponent (as in this game), he stands worse. Maybe the thinking is that standing worse is okay, so long as you are not down any material and the Queens have come off. GM Benko's comments attributed the win by GM Kramnik to his endgame mastery, yet I felt this was not demonstrated and that it was more due to GM Leko's unforced errors, some of which were exploited and some of which went unpunished. For instance, at one point GM Kramnik was well on top, but he then allowed his opponent to walk his King half-way across the board(!) by messing around, losing considerable time. Oh well, it was rapid chess. In fact, in another article in this issue of Chess Life a different annotator did something similar, crediting GM Kamsky when in truth his opponent had simply refused to capture a hanging pawn and let him keep it. Later on you see that he has this extra pawn and think, wow, he must be good because he is still up a pawn! I am mentally trying to compare these modern games against classic games I replay on the Web, from many, many years ago. In some cases, I find the old games to contain unbelievable errors, like a back-rank mate delivered by GM Alekhine at Bled in 1931. But in other cases, I see old games where both of the players are ultra-precise, where just one tempo decides the issue in favor of either player, and this sort of precision is, by and large, nowhere to be found today, with little errors galore in some cases. Perhaps the time controls were slower back then, or maybe there is just less oxygen in the air today... . -- help bot
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 21:02:10
From: help bot
Subject: Re: game annotations
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On 6, 9:59 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote: > keep up the good work.. > > what computer program do you have ? I have Fritz 5.32. Now I am looking at the new issue, tember 2007, of Chess Life. It comes as no surprise to see a big focus on (who else?) Bobby Fischer. Unfortunately, my program is not strong enough to skewer the beaten-to-death analysis of the first match game between GMs Spassky and Fischer (though I suspect there must be something wrong as no serious effort is made on White's behalf to find moves of great finesse to match those for Black, tit for tat). The program couldn't see the fortress idea, and got all wrapped up in grabbing material (I too, plead guilty your Honor; but I am just a weak player -- ask any-bot-y! -- help bot). Instead of seeking the truth, the authors (Suzan Polgar and Paul Truong) trot out the opinion of Gary Kasparov, suggesting "overconfidence" and a bizarre belief that GM Fischer was trying to "make a statement" when he miscalculated the Bxh2 line. My view is that GM Spassky saw, but GM Fischer probably missed, the trapping move B-d2 at the tail end of one key variation, which is just careless analysis since he was not lacking in talent. I found it interesting that a recent game had GM Spassky as White against GM Portisch, and once again he went for just such an ending and won it. This game is analyzed by GM Benko in the August 2007 issue of Chess Life, page 57. Typically, no special effort was made on GM Portisch's behalf to proclaim that he had a "boring draw", or to show some deep finesse which would have saved him after his early mistakes. No, that sort of slant is reserved for GM Fischer alone. This game is labeled as Heviz 2007, game 1, in case anyone is interested. The objective tone of that article finds Black able to put up "resistance", and calls a pawn hang a pawn hang, with no apologies for the loser. Anyway, the final verdict will come when we have the required endgame table-bases to settle this issue once and for all. Then, I predict, the Fischer supporters will shift to a new tack, bleating on about drawing "chances" and match psychology all the more while never admitting where they had been wrong. The one thing I am learning from going over these games on my computer -- aside from the fact that I can't see tactics worth a darn compared to Fritz -- is that all those exclams and other symbols tagged on to moves in Chess Life (or elsewhere, for that matter) can be very misleading. In some cases, a bad move is glossed over by deliberately leaving off the appropriate symbol, and in many cases a slightly inferior move is given an Academy Award, while the best move is simply never mentioned so as to enhance the overall perfect-white-teeth effect. In many cases, now as in olden times, the winner's choices and decisions will be routinely endorsed as correct, since the eventual result was positive, while the exact reverse applies to his unfortunate opponent. Many, if not most, of these published annotations are lacking in objectivity, not to mention quality. The new style of choice is to run games through Fritz/Rybka, and let the machine do all the work. But what is really needed is for the ideas -- not just variations -- to be explained in a manner that most chess players can grasp them. We need to allow for the fact that humans can't calculate everything, and explain their moves in that reality context. Unfortunately, some of these articles are revealing the fact that even top GMs do not always understand what was going on in their own games, and when asked why they did not play (insert computer's move choice), they quite easily become irritated. So what is the answer -- let weak players explain what is going on in grandmaster games? Perhaps this could work, if you have the right sort of weak player, and arm him with the right tools (ChessBase/Rybka)... . -- help bot
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 10:40:43
From: help bot
Subject: Re: game annotations
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On 7, 11:45 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote: > what is the ELO on Fritz 5.32 ? > > You should get Fritz ten. I don't really like any of the chess programs, because their interfaces make it awkward to analyze games the way I want to. Without any opening book installed, they all give absurd variations as "best play" in the opening, and extra time makes little difference. Were I to buy, say, Chessbase, I could look up what moves had been played before and get a crystal- clear idea of transpositions in the opening, but when you nix analysis in favor of "what has been played before", you end up with some real duds... which have indeed been played before! I am also disappointed at how few ending I can resolve with the tablebases; perhaps "Freezer" would be a useful tool for someone with a lot of time to explore this area. I simply don't trust books anymore; countless times I have discovered some unexpected error in a supposedly authoritative book by a supposed expert, who simply was too arrogant or lazy to do the proper research before rendering his verdict. Let me give an example of why I don't 'em much: right now, I am running a few of my games through to uncover gross mistakes, and verify if my "brilliant attacks" were sound or if I just got lucky due to poor defense. With no opening book, I set it to go over every move -- including move one! -- and as a result I am bored to tears until the serious errors begin. When I reach the most interesting points, I suspect that I cannot always rely on the five-minute analysis to yield a result that would not change at say, one hour per move, so in effect, I may end up going back over some of these positions manually. But I do not want to manually decide which of the moves to analyze and which to simply accept as "book", because I could (eventually) miss something that way. I also like to see how the computer would play this type of position with no opening book; sometimes it is stupid, but sometimes it comes up with rather interesting ideas humans would never have even considered. -- help bot
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 08:41:07
From: help bot
Subject: Re: game annotations
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On 11, 11:49 pm, Sin...@webtv.net (SAT W-7) wrote: > You do very detailed work.. In another thread, some-bot-y moans and groans that the same game was annotated twice in the same Chess Life issue, while another "explains" that the editor had little choice because they were both paid for their work, so it would be wasteful not to publish both articles. But from my perspective, this can in fact be very instructive -- especially if it is possible to compare the annotations side-by-side and neither annotator had an unfair advantage over the other, so to speak. The problem here is that if both annotators were using Fritz or Rybka to do the brunt of the work, we are in effect cheated; all we will learn is which is superior at (or spent more effort on) using computer help. In this one case, it seems that GM Su. Polgar/P. Truong did the far better job, but this may only be because of the significant difference in strength between her and the other annotator, who was not a GM. In my "detailed work", I am finding so many errors in my recent games that I can hardly begin to explore them all properly. My brilliant sacrifices were not only making Fritz yawn, but he also says that where I fell victim to similar coups by an opponent, I could have safely accepted the material, rather than decline and "lose like a carrot", as Sanny might say. Using the computer I am getting a better handle on complex tactics, and beginning to comprehend such things as the fact that a fork is not always as bad as it looks. In one recent game, I declined a sacrificed piece because immediately afterward, there would have followed a nasty-looking fork; but the key here, as Fritz showed me, is that no way can the forking piece capture *both* forkees; no, it must choose between one or the other, and I can help him choose and thus (barely) survive the assault. I actually declined and at one point was showing a deficit on the graph of around four points before my opponent began to let his winning advantage slip. -- help bot
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 21:49:05
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: game annotations
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You do very detailed work..
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Date: 08 Sep 2007 18:48:04
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: game annotations
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Just wondering if you want to play Fritz 5.32 vs Ivan ? Ivan was beat by Fritz 9 ....... 5.32 mite be a good battle.....
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 21:45:04
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: game annotations
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what is the ELO on Fritz 5.32 ? You should get Fritz ten.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 19:59:10
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: game annotations
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keep up the good work.. what computer program do you have ?
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