help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

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Date: 02 May 2007 06:04:14
From: dajava
Subject: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

Hi,

I don't know Italian.
I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.

1. G = g of girl
2. G = g of general.

Which is correct?

dajava,

ps.
Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?
Or, Italian-Spanish one?

Date: 03 May 2007 02:47:34
From:
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

On 2 May, 23:47, CeeBee <cee...@novalid.mail > wrote:
> On 02 mei 2007 dajava wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:
> > I don't know Italian.
> > I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
> > 1. G = g of girl
> > 2. G = g of general.
>
> > Which is correct?
>
> Djoh-ko

Getting close. For a more authentic Italian pronunciation I would also
stres the first syllable:
DJOH-ko

The Word Reference site also has sound files for some words. Ascolta
questa italiana:
http://www.wordreference.com/iten/gioco

Date: 03 May 2007 00:14:40
From: dajava
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

On May 3, 8:45 am, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> David Richerby <dav...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > dajava <daj...@operamail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't know Italian.
> > > I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
> > > 1. G = g of girl
> > > 2. G = g of general.
>
> > > Which is correct?
>
> > The second one, I believe.
>
> David is correct. It's pronounced Jeeoko. Gioco in Italian means Game, thus
> Gioco Piano literally means Quiet Game. Giuoco might be an older spelling.
>
> > > Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?
>
> For direct translation of words to and from French, Italian and Spanish
> only, I usehttp://www.wordreference.com/
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
>
> Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !
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To David and Nick,

In fact, I had 3rd answer in mind, too.

3. G = g of Spanish

general is pronunciated as "H"e neral in case of Spanish.

"H" is a stronger sound than English h.

And, I know it is the same case with Portuguese and French.

In Spanish/ Portuguese /French,
noun + adjective (Game + Quiet)
whereas in English adjective + noun like "Quiet Game"

So, I wondered if g of Gioco Piano
is pronunciated as g of Spanish.
(I forgot to list it by mistake)
That was why I asked of internet Italian-Spanish dictionary.

When I tryed to explain Gioco Piano to a person,
I suddenly realized that I don't know how to prounciate it. lol

dajava,

Date: 03 May 2007 10:26:44
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

dajava <dajava@operamail.com > wrote:
> And, I know it is the same case with Portuguese and French.
>
> In Spanish/ Portuguese /French,
> noun + adjective (Game + Quiet)
> whereas in English adjective + noun like "Quiet Game"

Yes, Romance languages tend to put adjectives after nouns and Germanic
languages tend to put them before. Spanish and Italian are quite
close to each other, though not necessarily in pronunciation.

Dave.

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Date: 03 May 2007 07:45:32
From: Nick Cramer
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

dajava <dajava@operamail.com > wrote:
> On May 3, 8:45 am, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > David Richerby <dav...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > > dajava <daj...@operamail.com> wrote:
> > > > I don't know Italian.
> > > > I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
> >
> > > > 1. G = g of girl
> > > > 2. G = g of general.
> >
> > > > Which is correct?
> >
> > > The second one, I believe.
> >
> > David is correct. It's pronounced Jeeoko. Gioco in Italian means Game,
> > thus Gioco Piano literally means Quiet Game. Giuoco might be an older
> > spelling.
> >
> > > > Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?
> >
> > For direct translation of words to and from French, Italian and Spanish
> > only, I usehttp://www.wordreference.com/
> >
> To David and Nick,[ . . . ]

The Giuoco Piano (Italian: "quiet game"), is the oldest recorded opening.
The Portuguese Damiano played it at the beginning of the 15th century and
the Italian Greco played it at the beginning of the 16th century. Because
of Greco's work on the opening, the Italian pronunciation is more likely
appropriate. It is sometimes called the Italian Game,although that term is
also used more generally to describe the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4.

BTW Quiet in Portuguese is 'quedo'.

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Date: 02 May 2007 22:47:28
From: CeeBee
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

On 02 mei 2007 dajava wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:

> Hi,
>
> I don't know Italian.
> I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
>
> 1. G = g of girl
> 2. G = g of general.
>
> Which is correct?

Djoh-ko

--
CeeBee

*** entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem ***

Date: 02 May 2007 10:42:52
From: JohnnyT
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

dajava wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't know Italian.
> I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
>
> 1. G = g of girl
> 2. G = g of general.
>
> Which is correct?
>

2. It is the gi is pronounced like a "j". It is pronounce jook-oo Or
joke-"o". (oh heck, both syllables use the long o sound)

This is easier to answer than the pronunciation of .GIF

Date: 02 May 2007 07:34:36
From: Ian Burton
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

"dajava" <dajava@operamail.com > wrote in message
news:1178111054.210882.160190@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I don't know Italian.
> I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
>
> 1. G = g of girl
> 2. G = g of general.
>
> Which is correct?

In Italian, G followed by i or e is always sounded like the English J (as in
"general").

--
Ian Burton
(Please reply to the Newsgroup)
>
> dajava,
>
> ps.
> Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?
> Or, Italian-Spanish one?
>

Date: 03 May 2007 11:37:17
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

"Ian Burton" <notvalid@notvalid.com > wrote in message
news:ki1_h.69548$NK5.10902@newsfe23.lga...

>
> In Italian, G followed by i or e is always sounded like the English J (as
> in "general").

So it would be Joke-o Joanna!

But in Andorra it would be Ho-Ho... Ho since you can't get a piano up there.

El Phil

> --
> Ian Burton
> (Please reply to the Newsgroup)
>>
>> dajava,
>>
>> ps.
>> Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?
>> Or, Italian-Spanish one?
>>
>
>

Date: 02 May 2007 14:50:15
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

dajava <dajava@operamail.com > wrote:
> I don't know Italian.
> I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
>
> 1. G = g of girl
> 2. G = g of general.
>
> Which is correct?

The second one, I believe.

> Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?

Google language tools will translate between Italian and English, for
what that's worth.

> Or, Italian-Spanish one?

Well, you could use Google, going via English. But I wouldn't
recommend it.

(Surprisingly, when I translated the previous paragraph from English
to Spanish and back with Google, the only change was to change `I
wouldn't' to `it would not'; via Italian is a little lossier.)

Dave.

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clueless!

Date: 02 May 2007 23:45:11
From: Nick Cramer
Subject: Re: help me with pronuniciation : Giuoco

David Richerby <davidr@chiark.greenend.org.uk > wrote:
> dajava <dajava@operamail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know Italian.
> > I spent several hours trying to know its pronunciation.
> >
> > 1. G = g of girl
> > 2. G = g of general.
> >
> > Which is correct?
>
> The second one, I believe.

David is correct. It's pronounced Jeeoko. Gioco in Italian means Game, thus
Gioco Piano literally means Quiet Game. Giuoco might be an older spelling.

> > Any free internet Italian-English dictionary?

For direct translation of words to and from French, Italian and Spanish
only, I use http://www.wordreference.com/

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!

Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !
~Semper Fi~