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Date: 04 Aug 2007 10:33:08
From: Chess One
Subject: results recent int'l tournaments
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Over a week ago I made a wild guess and for once predicted a winner - here
is the result from Biel, former US Champ Alex Onishuk who has been playing
strongly in Europe and Russia also scored 5.5 points, but Carlsen took the
cake.
1 Carlsen - 5.5
2 Onischuk - 5.5
3 Pelletier - 5.0
4-6 Polgar, Grischuk, Radjabov - 5.0
7-10 Bu Xiangzhi, Van Wely, Motylev, Avrukh - 3.5
I also made some analysis of the games:-
An analysis of Win, Draw, Lose of rounds 1 thru 9 reveals winners with:-
Black: Polgar 2, Moylev, Carlsen, Pelletier Van Wely, Grishuk and Radjabov
1.
White: Carlsen and Onishuk 3; Radjabov, Bu and Pelletier 2; Avrukh, Grishuk
and Van Wely 1.
By Round 7 Van Wely had yet to win with either color, but won his last two
games.
In 45 games there were 24 draws.
Phil Innes
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 20:37:43
From: help bot
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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On Aug 5, 7:20 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> Almost 10 years ago I had Sam Sloan asking me if Botvinnik was really
> Cornish? :)))
That was the *fake* GM Botvinnik. The way you can tell
is that his play closely resembled that of GM Bogolubov.
> > Bah! Send down those two marines and let 'em have
> > it! Ready the water-cannons. These banana republics
> > need to be put in their place, to set an example. No
> > bullets, mind you; just a good dose of salt water, to
> > cool them off a bit. Knock the savages right out of
> > their outrigger canoes; make them lose a paddle or
> > two in the water; that will teach them to declare war
> > on their vast superiors.
>
> sadly this is american humor - wasn't it President Reagan who threw into the
> middle of a speech, "don't worry, the bombers are already in the air", which
> caused a gasp from the international audience, until he said, "joke! joke!"
I think you are correct. Neither the American President
nor the chairman of the Federal Reserve ought to open
his mouth until first carefully considering the sweeping
ramifications of what might come out of it.
> the only way to deal with these americans is to say "come the revolution,
> your type will be the first to go".
Bah! We 'Muricans will rule forever, just as did the
Romans, for instance. In the words of Rob Mitchell:
"those who are destined to repeet it are those who
can't never lern from hystery".
-- bot
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 16:27:44
From: help bot
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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On Aug 4, 8:54 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> > This isn't political news. This needs to be posted somehwere else.
> > While Kirsan murders, you post this data, and I will respond
> > aggressively against scholastic chess in your state, Vermont, for this
> > war act.
Here we go again. Send those two marines back
down to, where was it again? some islands in the
Caribbean maybe. These upstarts never learn... .
> This newsgroup has been destoryed.
So, you knocked the story right out of them, did
ya?
> Marcus, there are two 'political' or chess management issues:
>
> 1) one is the strong result by recent US Champ Onishuk who has been
> competing extensively in Europe and Russia, and this is a big result for
> American chess
Thanks for clarifying that; I wasn't sure what country
he was from, and judging by the surname, thought
perhaps it might be Iceland or Norway -- something
like that.
> but the main factor for chess managers is
>
> 2) the black /white scores, combined with the number of draws.
>
> It is not political in terms of World Political activity, but a notice of
> what chess 'politicians' do, which is to make the rules, terms and
> conditions under which players compete.
Odd. No mention of that in the original post.
> You will know that both these issues of White/Black scores have concerned
> Kasparov and Adorjan recently, and the draw-ratio of all games is often
> referred to as 'draw-death' if the ratio is too high - here we have 24/45
> which isn't as bad as some - Draws are a long-term concern to chess
> organisers [politicians] and their publics.
Maybe so, but it might be wise to study the
games and let the facts speak for themselves.
At the much, much lower levels of chess where
I have played, there are an awful lot of "buddy,
buddy" type draws, and a lot of draws made out
of fear of losing. These things cannot be blamed
on anyone but the players themselves, who could
be expected to behave precisely the same way
were they playing tiddly-winks or checkers.
> The best revenge for indecency in the world, is for men to act decently -
> since those who do not are lost, and without model, whether they be Heads of
> State or regular folks, and it is no minor psychological point that people
> will tolerate evil until there is a demonstrated example of something else.
>
> So sorry we should disagree on these points, and while direct confrontation
> is your chosen method, mine, I at least suggest to you, is more potent.
Bah! Send down those two marines and let 'em have
it! Ready the water-cannons. These banana republics
need to be put in their place, to set an example. No
bullets, mind you; just a good dose of salt water, to
cool them off a bit. Knock the savages right out of
their outrigger canoes; make them lose a paddle or
two in the water; that will teach them to declare war
on their vast superiors.
-- war bot
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 12:20:32
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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"help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1186270064.582886.187910@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> 1) one is the strong result by recent US Champ Onishuk who has been
>> competing extensively in Europe and Russia, and this is a big result for
>> American chess
>
> Thanks for clarifying that; I wasn't sure what country
> he was from, and judging by the surname, thought
> perhaps it might be Iceland or Norway -- something
> like that.
Almost 10 years ago I had Sam Sloan asking me if Botvinnik was really
Cornish? :)))
Original name Penbotney, from down Trelowarren way.
>> So sorry we should disagree on these points, and while direct
>> confrontation
>> is your chosen method, mine, I at least suggest to you, is more potent.
>
> Bah! Send down those two marines and let 'em have
> it! Ready the water-cannons. These banana republics
> need to be put in their place, to set an example. No
> bullets, mind you; just a good dose of salt water, to
> cool them off a bit. Knock the savages right out of
> their outrigger canoes; make them lose a paddle or
> two in the water; that will teach them to declare war
> on their vast superiors.
sadly this is american humor - wasn't it President Reagan who threw into the
middle of a speech, "don't worry, the bombers are already in the air", which
caused a gasp from the international audience, until he said, "joke! joke!"
the only way to deal with these americans is to say "come the revolution,
your type will be the first to go".
and now back to the ritual conflicts - which, thank heavens! is sometimes
the only thing between tensions and real aggression. and that is why
everyone should be let into the game, and the blacker they are the better,
not even so much for their good, as for others
> -- war bot
ros clot!
Phil Innes
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 16:10:25
From: help bot
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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On Aug 4, 5:33 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> I also made some analysis of the games:-
>
> An analysis of Win, Draw, Lose of rounds 1 thru 9 reveals winners with:-
>
> Black: Polgar 2, Moylev, Carlsen, Pelletier Van Wely, Grishuk and Radjabov
> 1.
>
> White: Carlsen and Onishuk 3; Radjabov, Bu and Pelletier 2; Avrukh, Grishuk
> and Van Wely 1.
I think I may have discovered a way for Ms. Polgar to
finally win a game as White: let Sam Sloan in the
tourney, so he can try out his Damiano's Defense
against her.
> In 45 games there were 24 draws.
Zzzzzz. These humans are so boring. I like to watch
REAL chess players duke it out, like say, Rybka vs.
ZapChess. Even their draws are very hard-fought, as
well as instructive; none of that fake GM-draw stuff.
-- help bot
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 18:40:12
From:
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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On Aug 4, 8:54 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> <mar...@stkittsnevischess.org> wrote in message
>
> news:1186226184.895834.18960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 5:33 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> Over a week ago I made a wild guess and for once predicted a winner -
> >> here
> >> is the result from Biel, former US Champ Alex Onishuk who has been
> >> playing
> >> strongly in Europe and Russia also scored 5.5 points, but Carlsen took
> >> the
> >> cake.
>
> >> 1 Carlsen - 5.5
> >> 2 Onischuk - 5.5
> >> 3 Pelletier - 5.0
> >> 4-6 Polgar, Grischuk, Radjabov - 5.0
> >> 7-10 Bu Xiangzhi, Van Wely, Motylev, Avrukh - 3.5
>
> >> I also made some analysis of the games:-
>
> >> An analysis of Win, Draw, Lose of rounds 1 thru 9 reveals winners with:-
>
> >> Black: Polgar 2, Moylev, Carlsen, Pelletier Van Wely, Grishuk and
> >> Radjabov
> >> 1.
>
> >> White: Carlsen and Onishuk 3; Radjabov, Bu and Pelletier 2; Avrukh,
> >> Grishuk
> >> and Van Wely 1.
>
> >> By Round 7 Van Wely had yet to win with either color, but won his last
> >> two
> >> games.
>
> >> In 45 games there were 24 draws.
>
> >> Phil Innes
>
> > Phil,
>
> > This isn't political news. This needs to be posted somehwere else.
> > While Kirsan murders, you post this data, and I will respond
> > aggressively against scholastic chess in your state, Vermont, for this
> > war act. This newsgroup has been destoryed.
>
> > Sorry
>
> > Marcus Roberts
>
> Marcus, there are two 'political' or chess management issues:
>
> 1) one is the strong result by recent US Champ Onishuk who has been
> competing extensively in Europe and Russia, and this is a big result for
> American chess, but the main factor for chess managers is
>
> 2) the black /white scores, combined with the number of draws.
>
> It is not political in terms of World Political activity, but a notice of
> what chess 'politicians' do, which is to make the rules, terms and
> conditions under which players compete.
>
> You will know that both these issues of White/Black scores have concerned
> Kasparov and Adorjan recently, and the draw-ratio of all games is often
> referred to as 'draw-death' if the ratio is too high - here we have 24/45
> which isn't as bad as some - Draws are a long-term concern to chess
> organisers [politicians] and their publics.
>
> This is not to slight your issue of something fundamentally adrift with
> Fide, and I rather doubt you attack that as much I have, and do!
>
> The best revenge for indecency in the world, is for men to act decently -
> since those who do not are lost, and without model, whether they be Heads of
> State or regular folks, and it is no minor psychological point that people
> will tolerate evil until there is a demonstrated example of something else.
>
> So sorry we should disagree on these points, and while direct confrontation
> is your chosen method, mine, I at least suggest to you, is more potent.
>
> Phil Innes- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Phil
Perhaps you are right. Sometimes, people just get pissed off.
Marcus Roberts
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 19:13:37
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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<marcus@stkittsnevischess.org > wrote in message
news:1186252812.276942.264970@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Phil
>
> Perhaps you are right. Sometimes, people just get pissed off.
You Sir, are a better man than me, to say so, so directly, in public, and
without excuse.
Cordially, Phil Innes
> Marcus Roberts
>
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 11:16:24
From:
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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On Aug 4, 5:33 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net > wrote:
> Over a week ago I made a wild guess and for once predicted a winner - here
> is the result from Biel, former US Champ Alex Onishuk who has been playing
> strongly in Europe and Russia also scored 5.5 points, but Carlsen took the
> cake.
>
> 1 Carlsen - 5.5
> 2 Onischuk - 5.5
> 3 Pelletier - 5.0
> 4-6 Polgar, Grischuk, Radjabov - 5.0
> 7-10 Bu Xiangzhi, Van Wely, Motylev, Avrukh - 3.5
>
> I also made some analysis of the games:-
>
> An analysis of Win, Draw, Lose of rounds 1 thru 9 reveals winners with:-
>
> Black: Polgar 2, Moylev, Carlsen, Pelletier Van Wely, Grishuk and Radjabov
> 1.
>
> White: Carlsen and Onishuk 3; Radjabov, Bu and Pelletier 2; Avrukh, Grishuk
> and Van Wely 1.
>
> By Round 7 Van Wely had yet to win with either color, but won his last two
> games.
>
> In 45 games there were 24 draws.
>
> Phil Innes
Phil,
This isn't political news. This needs to be posted somehwere else.
While Kirsan murders, you post this data, and I will respond
aggressively against scholastic chess in your state, Vermont, for this
war act. This newsgroup has been destoryed.
Sorry
Marcus Roberts
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 13:54:41
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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<marcus@stkittsnevischess.org > wrote in message
news:1186226184.895834.18960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 5:33 am, "Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Over a week ago I made a wild guess and for once predicted a winner -
>> here
>> is the result from Biel, former US Champ Alex Onishuk who has been
>> playing
>> strongly in Europe and Russia also scored 5.5 points, but Carlsen took
>> the
>> cake.
>>
>> 1 Carlsen - 5.5
>> 2 Onischuk - 5.5
>> 3 Pelletier - 5.0
>> 4-6 Polgar, Grischuk, Radjabov - 5.0
>> 7-10 Bu Xiangzhi, Van Wely, Motylev, Avrukh - 3.5
>>
>> I also made some analysis of the games:-
>>
>> An analysis of Win, Draw, Lose of rounds 1 thru 9 reveals winners with:-
>>
>> Black: Polgar 2, Moylev, Carlsen, Pelletier Van Wely, Grishuk and
>> Radjabov
>> 1.
>>
>> White: Carlsen and Onishuk 3; Radjabov, Bu and Pelletier 2; Avrukh,
>> Grishuk
>> and Van Wely 1.
>>
>> By Round 7 Van Wely had yet to win with either color, but won his last
>> two
>> games.
>>
>> In 45 games there were 24 draws.
>>
>> Phil Innes
>
> Phil,
>
> This isn't political news. This needs to be posted somehwere else.
> While Kirsan murders, you post this data, and I will respond
> aggressively against scholastic chess in your state, Vermont, for this
> war act. This newsgroup has been destoryed.
>
> Sorry
>
> Marcus Roberts
Marcus, there are two 'political' or chess management issues:
1) one is the strong result by recent US Champ Onishuk who has been
competing extensively in Europe and Russia, and this is a big result for
American chess, but the main factor for chess managers is
2) the black /white scores, combined with the number of draws.
It is not political in terms of World Political activity, but a notice of
what chess 'politicians' do, which is to make the rules, terms and
conditions under which players compete.
You will know that both these issues of White/Black scores have concerned
Kasparov and Adorjan recently, and the draw-ratio of all games is often
referred to as 'draw-death' if the ratio is too high - here we have 24/45
which isn't as bad as some - Draws are a long-term concern to chess
organisers [politicians] and their publics.
This is not to slight your issue of something fundamentally adrift with
Fide, and I rather doubt you attack that as much I have, and do!
The best revenge for indecency in the world, is for men to act decently -
since those who do not are lost, and without model, whether they be Heads of
State or regular folks, and it is no minor psychological point that people
will tolerate evil until there is a demonstrated example of something else.
So sorry we should disagree on these points, and while direct confrontation
is your chosen method, mine, I at least suggest to you, is more potent.
Phil Innes
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 04:02:09
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: results recent int'l tournaments
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That was refreshing to see chess talk on here.
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