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Date: 29 Jul 2006 15:50:33
From: Enrico B. A.
Subject: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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What is the best reply to
1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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I think 3.d3 may be dangerous, it stops the light-squares bishop and
the d-pawn may be stressed to much by the black b-pawn, the cxd4 threat
and the Black queen.
Thanks.
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Date: 13 Aug 2006 04:54:37
From: bellatori
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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I have been playing a lot of CC recently and
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 (d6) 3. d4 cd 4. Nd4 e5 has gained a lot of ground. It
is not clear from recent GM games that White gains any particular
advantage.
I thought I would look at this line just in case there was anything in it.
I have a DB of about 3M games which is a bit of a requirement nowadays
when doing research.
1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 (95%, Nf6!? 5%) 4.d4 Nf6 (g6!? Na3!? Adams
looks interesting for both sides)5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Be2 e6 is what Karpov,
Kasparov and Kramnik have all played as Black.
Somehow it looks like a Centre Counter (Scandinavian) that has already
gone wrong for White though, to be fair, the results with 7.Na3 are quite
good for White.
Bellatori
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1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4
> thanks, so 3.exd5 is the best move, can you please explain why and what
> is the threat for and by black ?
Well, Black is forced to develop his Queen early to maintain material
equality. Black's queen can become a liability when White later plays
Nc3 or c4. Black's king is also exposed along the a4-e8 diagonal.
White has to be careful about Black's lead in development and centrally
placed queen. In addition, 4...cxd4 could be used by Black to force a
queen exchange or an isolated pawn.
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 13:12:17
From: Enrico B. A.
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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[email protected] wrote:
> Enrico B. A. wrote:
>
> > good, so what is in your opinion a good continuation ?
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> Well, in my database there are 1,699 games with 3.exd5, and only 36
> games with other responses. So 3.exd5 is probably the best reply.
>
> [You already got the expert answer; this is the statistical answer.]
thanks, so 3.exd5 is the best move, can you please explain why and what
is the threat for and by black ?
Thanks !
Enrico
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Enrico B. A. wrote:
> good, so what is in your opinion a good continuation ?
Well, in my database there are 1,699 games with 3.exd5, and only 36
games with other responses. So 3.exd5 is probably the best reply.
[You already got the expert answer; this is the statistical answer.]
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 12:32:22
From: Enrico B. A.
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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[email protected] wrote:
> David Richerby wrote:
> > Ray Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> What is the best reply to
> > >>
> > >> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
> > >
> > > 2. Nf3
> >
> > I agree but it's a pity you're not allowed to take back moves.
>
>
> I've been racking up points with the c3 Sicilian for years (I started
> playing it in 1978) - it is great that it is now recognized as good as
> 2. Nf3, eliciting comments such as the above from folks who probably
> have lost a game or two too many against it.
good, so what is in your opinion a good continuation ?
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David Richerby wrote:
> Ray Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> What is the best reply to
> >>
> >> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
> >
> > 2. Nf3
>
> I agree but it's a pity you're not allowed to take back moves.
I've been racking up points with the c3 Sicilian for years (I started
playing it in 1978) - it is great that it is now recognized as good as
2. Nf3, eliciting comments such as the above from folks who probably
have lost a game or two too many against it.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 09:29:23
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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[email protected] <[email protected] > wrote:
> David Richerby wrote:
>> Ray Gordon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> What is the best reply to 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
>>>
>>> 2. Nf3
>>
>> I agree but it's a pity you're not allowed to take back moves.
>
> I've been racking up points with the c3 Sicilian for years (I
> started playing it in 1978) - it is great that it is now recognized
> as good as 2. Nf3
But it isn't recognized as being as good as 2.Nf3! It's hardly ever
seen at the highest levels of the game. I don't have my copy of
Rogozenko's book on the anti-Sicilians to hand but, as I recall, he
says it's OK as far as it goes but mainly used by people who don't
like theory and who don't mind drawish positions.
> eliciting comments such as the above from folks who probably have
> lost a game or two too many against it.
Sure, I've lost a game or two against it but I've won plenty, too.
Certainly, at the level I play at, it seems to be played exclusively
by people who are scared of the Sicilian and think that playing 2.Nf3
will cause them to lose because their opponent couldn't possibly play
1... c5 unless he was booked up to move twenty-five or more.
Dave.
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Date: 30 Jul 2006 11:05:11
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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> What is the best reply to
>
> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
2. Nf3
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Date: 31 Jul 2006 12:09:44
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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Ray Gordon <[email protected] > wrote:
>> What is the best reply to
>>
>> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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> 2. Nf3
I agree but it's a pity you're not allowed to take back moves.
Dave.
--
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Date: 30 Jul 2006 01:29:10
From: Ron
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Enrico B. A." <[email protected] > wrote:
> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
>
> ?
>
> I think 3.d3 may be dangerous, it stops the light-squares bishop and
> the d-pawn may be stressed to much by the black b-pawn, the cxd4 threat
> and the Black queen.
White really doesn't have much choice here. 3.ed is it.
In some lines of the c3 sicilian, white may push e5. However, then you
get a position which is akin to a french where black can develop his
queen bishop before playing ... e6. I don't know about you, but that
sure doesn't strike me as much fun from the white side.
The IQP position which generally results after 3.ed (and an eventual d4,
cxd4, cxd4) are perfectly reasonable for white. He gets all of the
traditional IQP play.
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Date: 29 Jul 2006 16:51:49
From:
Subject: Re: 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
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Enrico B. A. wrote:
> What is the best reply to
>
> 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5
>
> ?
>
> I think 3.d3 may be dangerous, it stops the light-squares bishop and
> the d-pawn may be stressed to much by the black b-pawn, the cxd4 threat
> and the Black queen.
>
> Thanks.
3.ed5 is the only try for an advantage.
On 3.d3, Black plays 3....de4 and if 4.de4 then ...Qd1 exchanges
Queens. On 4.Qa4, Nc6, White's Queen is going to get chased a bit.
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