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Date: 13 Mar 2006 02:37:01
From: John J.
Subject: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3? I don't see any
immediate attacks by Black.
Comments welcome.
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Date: 16 Mar 2006 16:07:19
From:
Subject: Re: No one? this place is dead.
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Why would anyone want your opinion in light of :
http://news.com.com/2100-1030-6050667.html?tag=tb
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Date: 16 Mar 2006 13:11:37
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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Nick wrote:
> (snipped)
> I have no reason whatsoever to help John J. in
> particular improve his comprehension of chess.
A friend (who's rated 2100+ in correspondence chess)
of mine often has asked me (he regards me as a much
stronger player) for my advice and analysis about chess.
And I have given freely of it. If he were a stranger, however,
then I would expect some compensation for my time.
--Nick
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Date: 16 Mar 2006 12:58:29
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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John J. wrote:
> It doesn't matter who the player is.
That comment by John J. seems characteristic
of his lack of concern with factual accuracy.
> Heck, he could have looked it up on the USCF site.
Evidently, Claus-Juergen Heigl attempted to look up 'Cottrel'
(sic, the name given by John J.) at the FIDE website,
and he failed to find any such player. So some of
Claus-Juergen Heigl's time was wasted.
John J. fails to appreciate that, as a writer, he should attempt
to make things easier for readers by taking more care to be
factually accurate (including spelling names correctly).
> Folks got all worked up because I posted
> a crticism of a badly played opening.
That's John J's disingenuous 'spin' on the responses to
his comments against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold in RGCM.
As far as I can tell, some writers evidently construed
John J's comments as a kind of personal attack against
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold and regarded his behaviour as
rude and offensive.
Here's what Taylor Kingston wrote in RGCM to criticise
John J. for his comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
"Quit picking on the girl."
--Taylor Kingston (writing to John J.)
"But I think it's in poor taste (for John J.) to ridicule
her play here publicly."
--Taylor Kingston (writing to John J.)
David Richerby also apparently took some exception
to John J's comments against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
> You know what? If it were me playing I would expect the same.
> I don't believe in having a condecending attitude towards a player
> just because that player is a woman.
Here's what John J. wrote against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold
in rec.games.chess.misc:
"Affirmative Action at work. lol"
--John J. (2 ch 2006)
Would John J. have written such a sneering put-down if
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold had been a white male American?
> If that player plyed like a 1000 ELO player, I will say so.
> The above question was a sincere quest for opinions yet
> yo want to twist it around. I could be as rude as you are
> but i won't.
For the benefit of readers in RGCA, I have pointed out
some evidence of John J's rude and offensive behaviour
against Kelly Cottrell-Finegold in RGCM, which may
reveal something of his motives in writing about her.
> it seems you're reading more into the post than
> anyone else. Stop being so judgemental.
John J. already has quite a record of writing nonsense
in rec.games.chess.misc, and I (and I have not been the
only writer who's been doing that) have the right to point
out that it's nonsense.
> If you have nothing positive to contribute to the post why
> even bother? Did you even try to analise the position?
No, I did not 'even try to *analise* (sic) the position'.
I have no reason whatsoever to help John J. in particular
improve his comprehension of chess.
> I'm done.
John J. usually warrants no response beyond disdain.
--Nick
> "Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Claus-J=FCrgen Heigl wrote:
> > John J. wrote:
> > > r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
> > >
> > > In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3?
> > > I don't see any immediate attacks by Black.
> >
> > The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
> > after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn.
> > Do you have a game score? Looking for masters games in this
> > variation may help in the evaluation.
> >
> > Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he
> > (or she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.
>
> 1) Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold. (John J. misspelled it.)
>
> 2) Kelly Cottrell has a FIDE rating of 1887.
>
> 3) Kelly Cottrell has a USCF rating of 1717
> (her last published USCF rating is 1663).
>
> 4) By the way, she is ried to IM Ben Finegold.
>
> John J. already has shown that he's a careless writer who tends to
> post without being clear enough in his writing or careful enough with
> his facts.
>
> In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "What's
> with the Class B rated player", apparently in order to criticise
> Kelly Cottrell-Finegold for playing in the 2006 US Championship.
> Please read my posts in that RGCM thread if you are interested in
> factually accurate comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's rating.
>
> In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "How
> not to play the Benko Gambit", apparently in order to ridicule
> how Kelly Cottrell-Finegold lost a game to IM Dmitry Schneider.
> Some other writers in that thread took exception to John J's
> comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
>=20
> --Nick
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 17:32:03
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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Claus-J=FCrgen Heigl wrote:
> John J. wrote:
> > r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
> >
> > In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3?
> > I don't see any immediate attacks by Black.
>
> The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
> after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn.
> Do you have a game score? Looking for masters games in this
> variation may help in the evaluation.
>
> Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he
> (or she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.
1) Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold. (John J. misspelled it.)
2) Kelly Cottrell has a FIDE rating of 1887.
3) Kelly Cottrell has a USCF rating of 1717
(her last published USCF rating is 1663).
4) By the way, she is ried to IM Ben Finegold.
John J. already has shown that he's a careless writer who tends to
post without being clear enough in his writing or careful enough with
his facts.
In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "What's
with the Class B rated player", apparently in order to criticise
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold for playing in the 2006 US Championship.
Please read my posts in that RGCM thread if you are interested in
factually accurate comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's rating.
In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "How
not to play the Benko Gambit", apparently in order to ridicule
how Kelly Cottrell-Finegold lost a game to IM Dmitry Schneider.
Some other writers in that thread took exception to John J's
comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
--Nick
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Date: 15 Mar 2006 02:03:54
From: John J.
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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It doesn't matter who the player is. Heck, he could have looked it up on the
USCF site.
Folks got all worked up because I posted a crticism of a badly played
opening. You know what? If it were me playing I would expect the same. I
don't believe in having a condecending attitude towards a player just
because that player is a woman. If that player plyed like a 1000 ELO player,
I will say so.
The above question was a sincere quest for opinions yet yo want to twist it
around. I could be as rude as you are but i won't. it seems you're reading
more into the post than anyone else. Stop being so judgemental.
If you have nothing positive to contribute to the post why even bother? Did
you even try to analise the position?
I'm done.
"Nick" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Claus-J�rgen Heigl wrote:
> John J. wrote:
> > r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
> >
> > In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3?
> > I don't see any immediate attacks by Black.
>
> The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
> after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn.
> Do you have a game score? Looking for masters games in this
> variation may help in the evaluation.
>
> Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he
> (or she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.
1) Her name is Kelly Cottrell-Finegold. (John J. misspelled it.)
2) Kelly Cottrell has a FIDE rating of 1887.
3) Kelly Cottrell has a USCF rating of 1717
(her last published USCF rating is 1663).
4) By the way, she is ried to IM Ben Finegold.
John J. already has shown that he's a careless writer who tends to
post without being clear enough in his writing or careful enough with
his facts.
In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "What's
with the Class B rated player", apparently in order to criticise
Kelly Cottrell-Finegold for playing in the 2006 US Championship.
Please read my posts in that RGCM thread if you are interested in
factually accurate comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold's rating.
In rec.games.chess.misc, John J. created a thread, "How
not to play the Benko Gambit", apparently in order to ridicule
how Kelly Cottrell-Finegold lost a game to IM Dmitry Schneider.
Some other writers in that thread took exception to John J's
comments about Kelly Cottrell-Finegold.
--Nick
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Date: 15 Mar 2006 00:50:56
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claus-J=FCrgen_Heigl?=
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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John J. wrote:
> r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
>
> In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3? I don't see any
> immediate attacks by Black.
The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn. Do
you have a game score? Looking for masters games in this variation may
help in the evaluation.
Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he (or
she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.
Claus-Juergen
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Date: 15 Mar 2006 02:16:18
From: John J.
Subject: Re: Cottrel-Epstein US Champ.
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You can find all of the games here: http://www.uschesschampionship.com/
Besides the game in question I think the Rd 9 Nakamura game is very
exciting.
"Claus-J�rgen Heigl" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John J. wrote:
>> r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
>>
>> In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3? I don't see
>> any immediate attacks by Black.
>
> The basic difference is that f4 becomes available to the black knights
> after hxg3 fxg3 or Lh6. I can't say if that's enough for the pawn. Do you
> have a game score? Looking for masters games in this variation may help in
> the evaluation.
>
> Cottrel also doesn't appear on FIDE's Elo list. It may be that he (or
> she?) doesn't have an Elo which might also be an explanation.
>
> Claus-Juergen
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Date: 14 Mar 2006 23:00:00
From: John J.
Subject: No one? this place is dead.
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Unless there is some controvery involved...
"John J." <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> r1bqkb1r/ppp5/3p1nn1/2PPp2p/4Pp2/1NN2Pp1/PP2BBPP/2RQK2R w Kkq - 0 16
>
> In this position Cottrel played Bg1. What's wrong with hxg3? I don't see
> any immediate attacks by Black.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
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Date: 16 Mar 2006 16:11:14
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: No one? this place is dead.
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> Unless there is some controvery involved...
Why would I comment on the games of a B-player who played for the US Title?
That's a travesty.
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